>ETIENNE FRANCOIS de CHOISEUL COUNT de STAINVILLE (king louis xv prime minister) was also +MARQUIS de MONTEYNARD+ >which becomes an important tie >BETWEEN de CHOISEUL (primary castle s.w. of reims >now an elegent hotel) and the +COUNTS OF GRUYERE+ because the wife of +COUNT JEAN II de GRUYERE+ (1514 - 1539) was +CATHERINE de MONTEYNARD+ >of the ancient house of +MONTEYNARD+ >located in the french savoy +NEAR GRENOBLE+ (lake monteynard) +deGRUYERE/deMONTEYNARD+ note: there is an illustration of the arms of catherine de monteynard as the +COUNTESS OF GRUYERE+ >in the magnificent book on gruyere of the journal +PATRIMOINE FRIBOURGEOIS+ # 16, december 2005 +deCHOISEUL FACTS+ > i believe it important to point (NEW ORLEANS TIES) >out some french colonial facts about +DUKE deCHOISEUL+ +MARQUIS deMONTENYARD+ 1) his wife was of the house of +C R O Z A T+ (merchant czar @ louisiana for 15 years from 1712) +DE CHOISEUL+ 2) was the force behind the +FRENCH COLONIES+ A) FRENCH PACIFIC ISLANDS (solomon islands etc). B) FRENCH WEST INDIES (santo domingo etc. etc. >crozat street, new orleans) >de CHOISEUL MAY HAVE HAD A GREAT INFLUENCE ON +antoine jean baptiste valentin verloin degruy >THE CHOISEUL/CROZAT FAMILY HAD MADE A FORTUNE IN >TROPICAL INVESTMENT >(the sugar industry in france is still in champagne region) +NAME SYMPLIFICATION+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >GRUE = GRUY >GRUYERE = GRUY ERE >yesterday while studying the website for the village of gruyere i noticed the name constructed +GRUY ERE+ rather then +GRUYERE+ >immediately i realised the process of streamlining was very old. +BOUTTEVILLE = BOUTTE+ >in the same light it occurs to me that the name of the degruy relative +BOUTTE+ >may very well; be derived from +BOUTTEVILLE+ as in +FRANCOIS de MONTMORENCY+ seigneur de +BOUTTEVILLE+ +BOUTTEVILLE / BOUTTECOURT+ (towns in france) gene ray, san diego, california

So... what do you make of all this, Wally? It is sort of mystifying! Anyone out there have any ideas? ------------------- While there may have been a divorce of bed and board suit in 1743, the couple had 9 children between 1746 and 1762. Wally Schneidau -----Original Message----- Subject: [DEGRUY] Françoise Aufrere Pery in Riley book "Some French women's petitions asked only for the return of their dowries. Antoine Aufrere initiated a suit on behalf of his minor daughter, Françoise Pery, in 1743. Pery received a divorce of bed and board that ordered her husband to restore her dowry, including money, slaves and cattle. Because her husband refused to comply. this case reappeared several times in the official record. Finally, the court ordered that the recalcitrant husband's goods be inventoried and sold at public auction. His wife finally received the share specified by the court. The unremitting theme of wife abuse in Louisiana divorce of bed and board plea, suggests that such documents usually focused on legally acceptable ground. Thus, such petitions are untrustworthy accounts of the underside of marriage. Although abuse may have occurred, petitions failed to present a comprehensive description of a couple's marital conflicts." On page 29 of chapter entitled: "Reward-Runaway Wife"' From DIVORCE: An American Tradition by Glenda Riley

+NOTE: last night i made the most >FASCINATING DISCOVERY< while researching the origins of the >CASTLE AT VENDEUVRE< which is only about 2 km. west of the degruys at magny fouchard >I AM CONSTRUCTING PLANS FOR A PILGRIMAGE TO THE FRENCH ROOTS @ MAGNY FOUCHARD and >there are many new facts of verloin degruy associations +IN THIS AUBE REGION+ +CASTLE AT VENDEUVRE SUR BARTH+ i have just discovered on the web a photograph of an impressive +CASTLE @ VENDEUVRE+ >this is in the village closest to our VERLOIN deGRUY CHATEAU MAGNY FOUCHARD >where i had previously located a photograph of the chateau of +FRANCOIS HENRI de MONIMORENCY+ +BOUTTEVILLE+ >PRINCE DELUXE OF FRANCE DUKE OF LUXEMBOURG MARSHAL OF FRANCE PEER OF FRANCE DUKE dePINEY DUKE deTINGRY GENERAL OF FRANCE >who was king louis 14th's premier (VERY IMP. VICTORIES) >general in the battles in holland >THIS WOULD DIRECTLY EFFECT (degruy "dutch" branch) >THE deVIRGY RELATIVES OF THE COUNTS deGRUYERE. >one could not find a more impressive and influential neighbor for the VALENTIN VERLOIN deGRUY interests at the court of +SUN KING LOUIS 14TH OF FRANCE+ (antoine gaspard verloin degruy col. in his personal regiment) >in addition his wife +MADELINE de LUXEMBOURG+ princess de tingry-piney >WAS THE DAUGHTER OF COUNT MICHAEL de GRUYERE'S "blood brother" claude deguise +DUKE de LORRAINE+ >you remember i discovered previously that de guise was educated at the FRENCH COURT W/ FRANCOIS ANGOULEME who became king of france FRANCOIS 1st and our own prince MICHAEL de GRUYERE i have additionally discovered this a.m. that one of king francois 1sts closest friends in their youth was the +FUTURE CONSTABLE OF FRANCE+ the poweful ANNE de MONTMORENCY (duke, named after mother) +S Y N C H R O N I C I T Y+ >i have just discovered that this MONTMORENCY FAMILY owned a castle +FERE-EN-TARDENOIS+ (n.e of paris) >THAT WAS GIVEN TO THEM BY >the mother of king francois 1st +LOUISE de SAVOY+ +THE CONNETABLE deMONTMORENCY+ >was given castle"fere en tardenos" constructed by the grandson of +FRENCH KING LOUIS 6th+ +CHARLOTTE de MONTMORENCY+ married the famous +PRINCE de CONDE+ >and the conde family passed the castle to +PHILIPPE EGALITIE+ (the "democratic"french monarch) >WHO WAS A GUEST OF THE VERLOIN deGRUY FAMILY and other royalists +IN NEW ORLEANS+ in the 19th C. +THIS IS ANOTHER LINK BETWEEN THE (the house de montmorency) +COUNTS deGRUYERE+ and the family +VALENTIN VERLOIN de GRUY+ (in france, later louisiana) >further research reveals the< +MONTMORENCY DYNASTY+ (many geneations/castles) +2ND ONLY TO THE BOURBON IN+ +FRENCH NOBLE HISTORY+ >we shall photograph & investigate the montmorency castle/chateau +VENDEUVRE SUR BARSE+ note: please pass this news on to david.... thanks gene ray, san diego, california

Hey Gene.... Have you heard about this? I think it starts soon, but not sure when.... anyone know? Here's the information link I do have http://www.cinemablend.com/television/New-NBC-Mini-Series-The-Last-Templar-Winter-2009-9792.html

"+LIFE IN THE FRENCH+ +COUNTRY HOUSE+" by mark girouard >is a an extremly valuable examination of life inside the french chateaux with many exellent graphic illustrations. +OUR DUKE de CHOISEUL's >CHATEAU CHANTELOUP AND (near amboise >ADJACENT COW PALACE >is shown in a painting on pp 274-75 and reveals the duke's love for +F A R M I N G+ >i immediately thought of lou reminding us of the degruy penchant for chickens +& SYLVIA'S INTEREST IN COWS+ >THE FRENCH COLONIAL PLANTATION & THE FRENCH COUNTRY CHATEAU were in addition to being elegent country houses were also to varying degrees working +F A R M S+ +WITH COWS AND CHICKENS+ >we must remember marie antoinette was a great farming enthusiast >AND THE DUKE de CHOISEUL WAS (friend of both marie de antoin- ette & madam de pompadoer) >SO ARDENT HE BUILT THIS HUGE COW PALACE W/ A FLAT ROOF >so guests had a roof terrace to (GIANT, PURE BRED) >meditate on 120 swiss cows >WHICH I BELIEVE WERE PROBABLY ( right place, right time ) >PURCHASED FROM OUR VERY OWN +COUNT de GRUYERE+ >cows in gruyere are of course >VIRTUALLY SACRED< >how well i remember these magnificent pure bred cows of gruyere and each >WITH ITS PERSONALISED BELL<. >in september marianne and i are planning a safari to france and (LOIRE & CHAMPAGNE) +we shall stay in the duke de choiseuls chateau near +A M B O I S E+ >not chanteloupe but another one +CHATEAU de PRAY+ >THIS CHATEAU WAS THE COUNTRY RESIDENCE OF SEVERAL MEMBERS of the french royal court which shall be interesting to study. "LOUISE de SAVOY" >i have just discovered that louise de savoy, mother of king francois 1st, >( de GRUYERE RELATED)< >lived in the chateau clos luce at amboise before leonardo. >THIS CHATEAU PROBABLY HOUSED (8 years as apprentice knight) >MICHAEL deGRUYERE AS A YOUNG STUDENT AT THE FRENCH COURT. >the choiseul dukes had many chateaux AND IT IS POSSIBLE TO STAY AT THE CHATEAU CHOISEUL-STAINVILLE which is n. of magny fouchard some distance in the meuse >THIS CHATEAU WAS ALSO HOME TO +THE DUKES OF LORRAINE+ >and this history important to us. +LANGRES WALLED CITY+ >of the middle ages is southeast of +MAGNY FOUCHARD+ >and 15 km north of the ancient +CHATEAU de PRANGEY+ >which is where we shall probably stay on the sept. photo safari. +G O D W I L L I N G+ +NEW FACTS OF IMPORTANCE+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 1) the choiseul chateaux date from the 14th century but it is etienne francois de choiseul (pr,shweesul) 1719 -1785 who has caught my attention as he >WAS FRENCH EMBASIDOR TO THE DUCHY OF>HANAULT< (dutch gruyere branch) and he was marquis of stainville- >SEC. OF STATE FOR LOUIS XV< lorraine having dealings with the +PRINCE OF GRIMALDI+ (monaco/les baux) (VALENTINOIS) >the most fascinating connection for us is his history fighting to save THE KINGDOM OF NAVARRE (jeanne de albret) >FOR FRANCE WITH OUR +DUKE de ALBRET+ guess who his ally in that conflict was +THE DUKE de PAMPELUME+ (later navarre) >+( PAMPLOMA )+< +JEAN 2nd de PAMPLUME+ #38 in the ahnenfafel of +ANTOINE JEAN BAPTISTE VALENTIN+ +VERLOIN de GRUY+ was the husband of charlotte de gennes they were +LORD & LADY OF deEPOTHEMONT+ in about 1550 >ANOTHER STRONG CONNECTION OF THE VERLOIN deGRUY to +EUROPEAN ROYALTY+ gene ray, san diego, california

>note: this is a condensation of a more detailed message (i wrote yesterday) >THAT IS KNOWN ONLY TO GOD & ANGELS. >THERE IS A deGRUY BRANCH THAT HAS GROWN FOR CENTURIES IN THE LOW COUNTRIES OF OLD EUROPE. >jean baptiste valentin degruy was stretching his dutch connection >probably<, for benefits +BUT IT DID EXIST & HERE IT IS+. >count michael de gruyere went to +HAINAULT COUNTY+ >seeking aid to save his principality +HIS AUNT WAS THE SENESCHAL+ (highest authority) +IN THE COUNTY OF HAINAULT+ +DUCHY OF BRABANT+ (ref. mrs dekoven) +HAINAULT+ (google for detailed info) was located in the 16th century >IN A LARGE AREA OF THE FLANDERS (france,belgium,holland) >REGION NEXT TO LUXEMBURG WITH (dutch=bergen) >MONS BELGIUM AS CAPITOL. +it is of importance to note..... 1) the verloin degruy closest neighbors at magny fouchard +WERE THE LUXEMBURG ROYALTY+ 2) the de virgy family of count michael's mother were very powerful +HIS deVIRGY UNCLE WAS FIELD ( uncle claude ) >MARSHAL OF BURGUNDY >with habsburg ties< 3) THE HABSBURGS AND THEIR HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE TOOK OVER THE LOW COUNTRIES. >philipp lll, valois duke of burgundy's daughter, mary of valois married +MAXIMILIAN VON HABSBURG+ >we must remember that count michael (in addition to the french court) >de gruyere spent part of his youth +AT THIS HABSBURG COURT+ (ref. de koven) +SUMMERY+ >out of this "dutch" branch of the degruy family grew a prolific, vital & active (LARGE FAMILY TREES) >group of distant relatives who must have great interest in +OUR TROPICAL BRANCH+. >RESEARCH MAY HAVE INTERESTING RESULTS IN THE deGRUYERE AND (dutch=degrue/degruyter etc) +VERLOIN deGRUY HISTORY+. gene ray, san diego, california

This tract of land is situated in present day Iberia Parish on the east side of Bayou Teche in the area once called petite fausse point, and presently the site of the Iberia Cooperative Sugarmill is located on a part of that site as well as the Kyle Landry Road, the Northside Road, and there is a subdivision where a street called Chauflante Cresent is also located, and it goes back to Blue Haven subdivision as well as Little Woods subdivision. At one time, this area was owned and claimed by Dr. Frederick Duperier and he had hired a surveyor to search for his land in this area and his land could not be located, this same tract of land was part of a lawsuit insituted in the early part of the last century by a Mrs. Boutte for a land claim, also the de la Houssaye family had a home bordering on the Degruy land site, also this was the land that Francois Cezar Boutte purhcased from the Degruy brothers, and two conveyances were in verbal sales and two conveyances were written, and a part of this land was the same land that Francois Cezar Boutte donated or sold very cheaply to his friend, Francois Dupleisis, and Francois Dupleiss had a land title suit over this tract of land. Happy New Years, everyone, kitty> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:49:40 -0600> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Subject: [DEGRUY] Dutch? just a mistake?> > 9 DeGruy, Jean Baptiste, Commissioners Report No. 35, 530.73 afc. [PM]> ASP, III, 119, 127.> 1815, May 1 - Certificate issued to DeGruy, Jean Baptiste. Claim was for > 40 x 40 arpts. on both sides of Teche. Requete, dated Nov. 25, 1776, by > claimant for himself and brothers for 40 x 40 on east side of Teche and > such depth on west side as might be found to a swamp in the back, > bounded on one side by the settlement of the Dutch [DeGruy was Dutch], > and running toward Fausse Pointe. Order of survey issued by Galvez, June > 19, 1777. Confirmation was for only 261 sup. arpts. because anything > larger infringed on older titles."> > > Dutch? mistake?> > This comes from page 261 of LAND RECORDS OF THE ATTAKAPAS DISTRICT > VOLUME I THE ATTAKAPAS DOMESDAY BOOK: Land Grants, Claims and > Confinrmations in the Attakapas District, 1764-1826> by Glen R. Conrad> This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. > Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ It’s the same Hotmail®. If by “same” you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_122008

While there may have been a divorce of bed and board suit in 1743, the couple had 9 children between 1746 and 1762. Wally Schneidau -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of listadministratordegruyl Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 10:03 PM To: GEN Degruy Mailing list at Rootsweb Subject: [DEGRUY] Françoise Aufrere Pery in Riley book "Some French women's petitions asked only for the return of their dowries. Antoine Aufrere initiated a suit on behalf of his minor daughter, Françoise Pery, in 1743. Pery received a divorce of bed and board that ordered her husband to restore her dowry, including money, slaves and cattle. Because her husband refused to comply. this case reappeared several times in the official record. Finally, the court ordered that the recalcitrant husband's goods be inventoried and sold at public auction. His wife finally received the share specified by the court. The unremitting theme of wife abuse in Louisiana divorce of bed and board plea, suggests that such documents usually focused on legally acceptable ground. Thus, such petitions are untrustworthy accounts of the underside of marriage. Although abuse may have occurred, petitions failed to present a comprehensive description of a couple's marital conflicts." On page 29 of chapter entitled: "Reward-Runaway Wife"' From DIVORCE: An American Tradition by Glenda Riley This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

"Some French women's petitions asked only for the return of their dowries. Antoine Aufrere initiated a suit on behalf of his minor daughter, Françoise Pery, in 1743. Pery received a divorce of bed and board that ordered her husband to restore her dowry, including money, slaves and cattle. Because her husband refused to comply. this case reappeared several times in the official record. Finally, the court ordered that the recalcitrant husband's goods be inventoried and sold at public auction. His wife finally received the share specified by the court. The unremitting theme of wife abuse in Louisiana divorce of bed and board plea, suggests that such documents usually focused on legally acceptable ground. Thus, such petitions are untrustworthy accounts of the underside of marriage. Although abuse may have occurred, petitions failed to present a comprehensive description of a couple's marital conflicts." On page 29 of chapter entitled: "Reward-Runaway Wife"' From DIVORCE: An American Tradition by Glenda Riley

Reports of Cases Argued and Adjudged in the Supreme Court of the United States: December Term, 1850 By United States Supreme Court, Supreme Court, William Cranch, United States, Henry Wheaton, Benjamin Chew Howard, Richard Peters, Jeremiah Sullivan Black Published by Banks Law Publishing, 1906 The United States v. D'Auterive et al. void ; the Province of Louisiana having been ceded by the king of France to the king of Spain in 1762.1 The title to the land described in this void grant was vested, therefore, in the king of Spain, and remained in him until the treaty of St. Ildefonso. It then passed to France, and by the treaty of Paris became vested in the United States.2 None of the acts of Congress have confirmed this grant. The act of 1805 (2 Stat. at L., 324) required three things in order to effect a confirmation. »lst. That the parties should be residents. 2d. That ivaw the Indian title should have been extinguished. 3d. That the land l should have been actually inhabited and cultivated by the grantees, or for their use. In the present case these conditions were not complied with.8 The act of May 26,1824, in part re-enacted by the act of June 17,1844 (5 Stat. at L., 676), did not create any new rights, or enlarge those previously existing ; but only allowed claims to be presented to the court which would otherwise have been barred. This was an appeal from the District Court of the United States for the District of Louisiana. It was a petition presented to the District Court under the act of 1824, relating to land titles in Missouri, as revived and made applicable to Louisiana by the act of 1844. The history of the title claimed by the heirs of D'Auterive, so far as it may be necessary to explain the opinion of the court, was as follows. A copy of the following grant, issued in 1765, was certified by the register of the land-office at New Orleans to be found upon the records in his possession, and forming part of the archives of the office. "Charles Philippe Aubry, Chevalier of the Royal and Military Order of St. Louis, commanding for the King in Louisiana, 'and Denis Nicholas Foucault, being the Intendant Commissary of this Province of Louisiana. " Upon the demand made by Messrs. D'Auterive and Masse, , partners, to grant to them a parcel of land named La Prairie du Vermilion, bounded east by the River Des Tortues and the Lake Du Tasse, north by the Mauvais Bois, west by the River Vermilion, and south by a muddy prairie, considering their petition above, and in other part, and for consideration of the cession made by them to the Acadian families, recently arrived in this Province, of the land occupied by them during a long period, in the Attakapas, and in consideration also of the advantages which may result for this capital of the great establishment in vacheries that they propose themselves to do 1 Applied. Montault v. United 2 Cited. United States v. Lynde, States, 12 How., 51. Followed. 11 Wall., 643. United States v. Pillerin, 13 Id., 9; 8followed. United State* o. United States v. Ducros, 15 Id., 41. Castaut, 12 How., 437, 441. The United States B. D'Auterive et al. on the said land named La Prairie clu Vermilion, by the quantity of cattle they may bring to market in a short period, we have conceded, and do concede, to them, by these presents, the said laud, for them and their heirs, to enjoy and dispose of the same in full ownership and usufruct, as a thing belonging to them, except against titles or possession anterior to these to the contrary ; provided that said land lies on this side oi the limits which have been established of the French and Spanish possessions in this part of the country ; and provided, also, that they do deliver to us the titles of the land which they have ceded to the Acadian families, and also under the *fil1l COI1ditions *that one year from this date they shall J establish the said vacherie ; in default whereof the said land shall become part of the king's domain, who may dispose of the same as if the said concession had never been granted, and also with the burden by them to support and pay the seigneurial rights, if any hereafter be established in this colony. We also reserve for his Majesty all the timber necessary for the construction of forts, stores, and other public works that he has ordered to be done, or may order in the future, even for the refitting and careening of his men-of-war, whenever the same will be necessary ; and also the necessary ground for the royal highways and fortifications. " Given in New Orleans, under the seals of our arms and the countersign of our secretaries, the 2d of March, 1765. (Signed,) Aubby And FoTJCAUi/T. " Countersigned,---Soubie & Duverge." The decision of the court being that this grant was invalid when made, it is not necessary to trace out the assignment of his share from Masse to D'Auterive, by which it was alleged that the latter became the sole proprietor. On the 6th of February, 1835, Congress passed an act (4 Stat. at L., 749,) entitled "An Act for the final adjustment of claims to lands in the state of Louisiana." By this act, claims recognized by former laws as valid, but which had not been confirmed, were to be presented to the register and receiver of the land-office where the lands lie, with the evidence in support of the same, who were to report the same to the Secretary of the Treasury, with their opinion of the validity of each claim, and which report was to be laid before Congress, with the opinion of the Commissioner of the General Land-Office touching the validity of the respective claims. This claim was presented to the register and receiver, together with a great mass of evidence in its support, which DECEMBER TERM, 1850. 611 The United States C. D'Auterive et al. it is not necessary here to state. On account of the voluminous nature of the papers, the claim was not included in a report made by the commissioner on the 15th of May, 1840. But in February, 1842, the then register and receiver took up the subject and made a report thereon to the Secretary of the Treasury, from which the following is an extract:--- "The peculiar circumstances which seem to involve this claim, its unwarrantable neglect, firstly by the heirs themselves, and lastly by the former boards of this office, and the unsuccessful efforts of the Honorable Edward Livingston to obtain any action of Congress upon it, and the very heavy "charges and expenses which the heirs have been at in r^-i a the protection and prosecution of their rights, have L induced us to examine with the greatest circumspection and attention all the documents of title filed in this claim. We have given it throughout a mature and deliberate investigation, and, seeing the pacific views of the claimants in their renouncement of their rights to any part of the said land, to which a title has been obtained, either by French or Spanish grant, private entry, or otherwise, that may fall within the limits of their grant, and from the fact that the patent mentioned in this claim corresponds with one on the abstract of patents certified by the register of New Orleans, for the use of this office, consequently making it a complete title in form, with no act of the sovereign remaining to be done that the title of the land might be fully vested in D'Auterive, think that a confirmation of such a title is scarcely necessary, though it may be useful. Congress never asserted the right to annul, restrict, or question any genuine complete grant which has been made by the former governments; they were regarded as sacred documents, and respected by the treaty of cession ; it was not obligatory on the holders of complete patents to file them with the registers and the receivers. By the fifth section of the act of the 2d of March, 1805, the registers and receivers were requested to make a report on all complete French and Spanish grants, the evidence of which, though not thus filed, may be found on record in the public records of such grants ; it was evident the reports on such titles were required for the purpose of ascertaining what lauds had ceased to belong to the public domain. " If the intention of Congress had been to subject these claims to their scrutiny, they would have required of the owners to file them; if the board, on finding in the public records the evidence of a complete grant, would have made any other than a favorable report on it, Congress would never have permitted such a decision; the boards were only to The United States v. D'Auterlve et al. decide on the simple recorded proof, that is, the official copy of the grant, and were to consider it as conclusive evidence , it has accordingly been decided by the Supreme Court of this state, as well as the United States court, that a complete grant is complete evidence of title without any confirmation ; and viewing the grant of the claimants, in this report, as of a similar character, and perfectly satisfied as regards the sale from Masse to D'Auterive, the testimony in proof thereof being ample and complete, we cannot do otherwise than recommend this claim for confirmation to the full extent of land that may be found comprised within the boundaries laid down in the concession." *fi181 *These proceedings were referred, in pursuance of J the law, to the Commissioner of the General Land- Office, who gave his opinion that the claim was not valid. A report was then made to Congress, but no action was there had upon the subject. Under the act of Congress passed on the 17th of June, 1844, entitled " An Act to provide for the adjustment of land claims in the states of Missouri, Arkansas, and Louisiana," the heirs of D'Auterive filed a petition in the District Court of the United States for the District of Louisiana, on the 16th of June, 1846. Attached to the petition was a copy of the report of the commissioners above mentioned. The petition concluded as follows : --- " The petitioners show, that it appears from said statement that the said Bernard D'Auterive occupied said land as a stockfarm, for which purpose it had been granted, up to the time of his death, which occurred in 1776; that the said D'Auterive left a widow and four small children ; that in 1779 his widow married Jean Baptiste Degruy; that the said Degruy and his wife continued to occupy said land as a stock- farm, and to cultivate a small part thereof, until 1784, when they removed to the Mississippi; that thereafter the said land, and even the stock kept thereon, were utterly neglected by said Degruy ; that in consequence thereof, and on account of their ignorance of said claim, the Spanish authorities in Louisiana granted a considerable, and the most valuable, part of said land to other persons; and that the petitioners, considering the good faith with which said titles were acquired, and to prevent the delays and expenses of litigation, claimed the confirmation of so much only of the aforesaid grant as was not held by titles emanating from the Spanish government and confirmed by the United States, and had not been sold or otherwise disposed of by the United States. The United States c. D'Auterive et al. " And the petitioners show, that they -now again claim the confirmation of said grant with the same restrictions ; that as the petitioners do not intend to interfere with the rights of any persons holding portions of said grant under confirmed Spanish titles, or under purchases from the United States, it is unnecessary to cite said persons; and that, besides them, there are no other persons in possession of portions of said grant except certain settlers, who occupy small parts thereof with the written consent of the petitioners. " Wherefore the petitioners pray, that the United States of America, by their District Attorney for the District of Louisiana, be cited ; that the aforesaid grant be declared valid and confirmed to the petitioners; that thereafter the Surveyor- General *of the United States for the state of Lousiana be ordered to survey said lands; that he be fur- *- ther ordered to certify, on the plats and certificates of said survey, what parts of said grant are held under confirmee Spanish titles, and what part, if any, of said grant has been sold by the United States, together with the quantity thereof. And the petitioners further pray, that it may be decreed that they, their heirs and legal representatives, shall have the right to enter the quantity of land so certified to have been sold or disposed of by the United States in any land-office in the state of Louisiana. (Signed,) L. Janin, of Counsel." On the 10th of November, 1846, Thomas J. Durant, the District Attorney of the United States, filed an answer, denying all the allegations of the petition. In April, 1847, the depositions of sundry witnesses were taken by the plaintiffs before N. R. Jennings, Commissioner, and in December, 1847, the cause came on for trial before the District Court. On the 13th of June, 1848, the District Court gave the following judgment:--- " The court having taken this cause as above entitled under consideration, and having maturely considered the same, doth now, for reasons set forth at length and on file, order, adjudge, and decree, that the petitioners recover the land claimed in their petition, and described in the original grant or concession to them, as exhibited on pages 180 and 181 of the record of French grants; the same having been delivered at the cession of Louisiana to the government of the United States, and deposited in the United States land-office in the city of New Orleans. -------------- This can be downloaded at http://books.google.com/books?id=dyA3AAAAIAAJ&dq=%22degruy%22&lr=&ei=K8hiSYKONJysMvTDvegG&output=html_text <http://books.google.com/books?id=dyA3AAAAIAAJ&dq=%22degruy%22&lr=&ei=K8hiSYKONJysMvTDvegG&output=html_text>

9 DeGruy, Jean Baptiste, Commissioners Report No. 35, 530.73 afc. [PM] ASP, III, 119, 127. 1815, May 1 - Certificate issued to DeGruy, Jean Baptiste. Claim was for 40 x 40 arpts. on both sides of Teche. Requete, dated Nov. 25, 1776, by claimant for himself and brothers for 40 x 40 on east side of Teche and such depth on west side as might be found to a swamp in the back, bounded on one side by the settlement of the Dutch [DeGruy was Dutch], and running toward Fausse Pointe. Order of survey issued by Galvez, June 19, 1777. Confirmation was for only 261 sup. arpts. because anything larger infringed on older titles." Dutch? mistake? This comes from page 261 of LAND RECORDS OF THE ATTAKAPAS DISTRICT VOLUME I THE ATTAKAPAS DOMESDAY BOOK: Land Grants, Claims and Confinrmations in the Attakapas District, 1764-1826 by Glen R. Conrad

+BARBEREY-SAINT SULPICE+ >fortified chateau built in 1315 for marriage of french king louis x >(renaissance remodeling) (later noble owners) +CHOISEUL IN THE 16th CENTURY +le ROY IN THE 18th CENTURY +CHATEAU OF CLAUDE le ROY+ (advocate in the french parlement) +JACQUES le ROY+ >was advocate in the french parlement counseler to king louis xiv in nov 1714 & a member of the wedding party of +ANTOINE GASPARD deGRUYVERLOIN+ (chevalier of the order of st. louis >(BOURBON REGIMENT)< >& major in the king's regiment ) and +FRANCOISE HYACINTHE le COMTE+ (parents of our antoine) +VALENTIN le ROY+ >note: valentin le roy , advocate in >CHARGE d' AFFAIRES< >parlement was also secretary to +"SON ALTESSE ROYALE"+ (her royal highness) >"MADAME"< +THE DUCHESS de ORLEANS+ >king louis xiv sister in law >(who was in the wedding party) >note: the le ROY FAMILY is related to both the VERLOIN de GRUY and the CAVAROC FAMILIES providing much interest in both my paternal and maternal descendent families. +CHATEAU BARBEREY-SAINT SULPICE+ (as it is now known, can be found in google search) +14-17TH C. BRICK/STONE VERY+ +ELEGENT FRENCH CHATEAU+ (facing the river seine) >is located just outside troyes france on the old route between the degruy chateau magny fouchard & paris. >IT IS ONE OF THE VERY FEW CHATEAU IN THIS REGION OPEN TO THE PUBLIC< (marianne & i shall photograph it in september plus the others) >i found this wonderful chateau in >"CHATEAUX ET MANOIRS DE CHAMPAGNE" by philippe seydoux editions de la morande >TWO EXELLENT PHOTOGRAPHS (on pages 7 & 8) text in french, outlines the chateau's complex history which importently has the +CHOISEUL FAMILY IN RESIDENCE+ IN THE 16th CENTURY,(1596) (valuable for us) +CHARLES de CHOISEUL+ marshal of france >WAS LIEUTENANT GENERAL OF THE CHAMPAGNE REGION. >this associates the choiseul with the verloin degruy and the many other REGIONAL MILITARY FAMILIES of distinguished authority. +THE COUNT de BRIENNE+ >was army minister in the govt. of FRENCH KING LOUIS XVI (1770s & 1780s +GRUYERE/PARIS ROAD+ >increasingly one can see the verloin degruy comfort in the champagne region. gene ray, san diego, california

>+CHICKENYARD BAREFOOTED+<                     +(AGILITY REQUIRED)+        >and if you haven't experienced that               don't forget the cow pies +PLEASE READ NO FURTHER+ ************** New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026)

+BAR SUR AUBE, FRANCE+ the site of the great trade fairs of >13th CENTURY FRANCE< >WAS 10 MILES EAST OF VERLOIN deGRUY, MAGNY FOUCHARD +bossancourt chateau was >EVEN CLOSER< +THIS PROXEMIC IS EXTREMLY VITAL+ to our comprehension of the +INTENSE TEMPLAR / SHROUD+ (no negative intent) +CHAMPAGNE CONSPIRACY+ +COUNT de CHAMPAGNE+ bar sur aube was also the site of the +MARCASSELLES CASTLE+ of +COUNT HUGHES de CHAMPAGNE+ who was the 9th knight of the >FOUNDERS OF THE "KNIGHTS OF CHRIST" (knights templar) >HUGHES de CHAMPAGNE IS KNOWN (allied w/ the counts of brienne, luxembourg, gruyere & savoy. >AS A MOST POWERFUL RULER IN ALL OF 12th CENTURY FRANCE >count hughes de champagne went on the 1st crusade with his vassel, hugh de payens, who initiated the +KNIGHTS TEMPLAR+ (de GRUYE(RE) DYNASTY) >this history is very important to us as >+(AND THE SHROUD HISTORY)+< (which is a living issue) >COUNT RUDOLPH de GRUYERE WAS ALSO W/ GODFROI de BOULLION ON THAT 1st CRUSADE note; some researchers believe that (BAIGENT,LEIGH, LINCOLN) >godfroi de bouillon was really the first grand master of the >PRIORY DE SION< and +THAT THESE CRUSADER/TEMPLARS+ real objective was to find the +ARK OF THE COVENANT+ which was secreted under the +TEMPLE MOUND IN JERUSALEM+ (controled by count debrienne) +BIRDS OF A FEATHER+ >the count de champagne history can (REGAL AND COMPLEX) >be found on the intenet and has some important persona for us.. 1) JEANNE OF NAVARRE (remember- connection w/ king francois 1st) 2) LOUIS X (king of france) 3) HENRI l (king of jerusalem) >this last king connects the brienne dynasty to the champagne and >THE CUSTODIANS OF THE SACRED (shroud of jesus) +SHROUD OF LIREY/TURIN+ >remember the church of lirey built by gruyere ancestor geoffrey de (FIRST SHROUD DISPLAY) >charney is only about 40 miles >west of champagne castle) +3O MILES WEST OF OUR deGRUY+ +ANCESTOR'S MAGNY FOUCHARD+ >BAR SUR AUBE< ( the castle is still there) >it is interesting that the famous bar sur aube trade fair was started by +HUGHES COUNT deCHAMPAGNE+ >on land just next to his castle and he donated the monestary land to st. bernard 5 miles south at +C L A I R V A U X+ +ST. BERNARD, FORCE BEHIND THE+ (the pope's approval) +COUNCIL OF TROYES+ >which officially supported the +KNIGHTS TEMPLAR+ (1st internationa) >IN MY VIEW THIS GROUP OF< +CHAMPAGNE NOBILITY+ champagne, brienne, verloin degruy bossancourt, luxembourg, genevois etc, etc, etc, +IN ALLIANCE WITH THE+ >CHARNEY, VIRGY, BOULLION, PAYEN< +KNIGHTS IN THE FIELD+ +WERE INVOLVED IN A DRAMA+ >OF IMMENSE< (perhaps apocalyptic) +HISTORICAL MAGNITUDE+ only now being revealed >IN TOTALITY< gene ray, san diego, california

+ELEGENT CHICKENS+ >note: if you look carefully at the zimple map of the verloin degruy +1840 PLANTATION+ >you will find the very important +C H I C K E N + H O U S E+ +VERLOIN & DUFOUCHARD deGRUY+ families posessed a proufound +ORGANIC VIEW OF LIFE+ >france is a very agrarian flavored wholistic country with a taste +FOR FROG LEGS+ >which tastes like, yes... +C H I C K E N+ +HORSES AND CATTLE+ >were of course the major focus for animals on a french colonial +P L A N T A T I O N+ +GOATS AND CHICKENS+ >were also important on those degruy plantations. (i discovered fabulous +FRENCH FOOD PASSION+ >goat cheese in france in addition to our GRUYERE on my 1st trip +SUMMER, 1969+ +LOU deGRUY'S FAMILY+ >were following in the footsteps of +(PLANTERS=FARMERS)+ (landed gentry, prince >charles likes pigs) >our planter ancestors by raising +SPECIALTY CHICKENS+ +(not all chickens are created equal)+ >IT IS CLEAR THAT LOU'S FAMILY HAD A PASSION FOR CHICKENS >and i am impressed with the +KNOWLEDGE AND FOCUS+ >it is obvious that devoted +S C H O L A R S H I P+ >into pure bred poultry was LOU'S GRANDFATHER'S +VERY FRENCH TALENT+ +CHICKEN FRICASSEE WAS THE JOY OF MY SUNDAY CHILDHOOD AS MY MOTHER'S FRENCH TALENT FOR COOKING FLOWERED & >put a few pounds on my otherwise puny body. "+EUGENE & LLOYD RAY & CHICKEN+" is one of my favorite photographs (GRANDFATHER & UNCLE) >in the ray/degruy album that i inherited from my ray aunt. +ROOSTERS AT DAWN+ >photo of my grandfather in his 3 piece urban attire, not a hair out of place, trying to hand +A SPECIALTY CHICKEN+ >to my not very interestd uncle at their summer home in +1917 COVINGTON+ > MY GRANDPARENTS ON BOTH THE RAY/deGRUY & STAIGG/CAVAROC (plantation genetic memory) >SIDES LOVED SUMMERS IN THE +TRANQUIL COVINGTON OZONE+ +1930s SUMMER BOYHOOD+ >it was a very healthy yellow fever & +PINEY FRESH AIR+ >asthma refuge and in those early >LIGHTNING FIRE FLIES< >days of my life provided me with the chalenge of running in a >+CHICKENYARD BAREFOOTED+< +(AGILITY REQUIRED)+ >and if you haven't experienced that +PLEASE READ NO FURTHER+ +BATON ROUGE, 1940s+ >my father, randolph (degruy) ray was greatly influenced by his covington childhood and its agrarian feeling +(PLANTATION MEMORIES)+ >he loved his victory garden during the 2nd w.w. and, yes, he raised chickens primarily for eggs but +OH, THAT CHICKEN FRICASEE+ (french cooking heaven) "+COQ AU VIN+" >was a favorite with claude monet (WITH EMPHASIS ON VIN) >his secret was to refrigerate and then reheat it before +S E R V I N G+ +COLONIAL CHICKENS+ >thanks to renee for bringing this +FASCINATING ORGANIC+ >reference to our attention. gene ray, san diego, california

DE GRUY Poultry Market burns in Dryades Street fire(Times Picayune10-15-1951 pg1 column 2 &States 10-15-1951 pg6 column 6. sylvia ---- Lou DeGruy III <[email protected]> wrote: > My Dad, Louis DeGruy, Jr., and his Dad, Louis DeGruy, Sr. were in the live > poultry business, DeGruy's Poultry, in the 1940's in New Orleans. I remember > the second floor of my Dad's bldg. was devoted to chickens of the world. He > had pairs of chickens from all over the world including China. I still > remember the poster that identified the different chicken breeds of the > world. I fed and watered the chickens whenever I was at his shop. The > different breeds were so colorful and beautiful. Unfortunately, they were > all killed in a fire in 1950 when his building burned down. I have the > Times-Picayune article about the fire and a picture of a surviving rooster. > I could not find a date in the article. I don't remember why he decided to > collect the different chicken breeds. I guess that was his hobby. I don't > remember him or my Grandad telling me how they got into the chicken > business. > > Thanks for the information. I don't know if there is a connection with my > Dad and Grandad and the earlier DeGruys and the chicken business. > > Happy New Year! > > "Wheresoever you go, go with all your heart." Confucius > > God Bless, > Lou DeGruy III > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of listadministratordegruyl > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 5:24 AM > To: GEN Degruy Mailing list at Rootsweb > Subject: [DEGRUY] So.... which of our Degruys was a fowl-breeder?????????? > > More from Google Books [searching for "de Gruy"] > > page 60 > > Friend Miner,-To-day I forward to Mr. De Gruy, two cocks and three > pullets of the Palmer importation of Shanghaes. One cock, hatched on the > 15th of May last, which weighs ten pounds and two ounecs ; the other > cock, hatched on the 20th of May, and weighs ten povfnds, strong. One of > the pullets, hatched July 1st, weighs eight pounds; another, same age, > seven pounds and eight ounees ; and the third, hatched on the 6th of > August, weighs six pounds and ten ounees. > > I likewise send Mr. De Gruy, to-day, one cock and four pullets of the > Perley importation of Shanghaes. The cock was hatched on the 17th of > June last, and weighs nine pounds and fourteen ounees. One of the > pullets, same age, weighs eight pounds; another, same age, seven pounds > and fifteen ounecs; and the other, same age, seven pounds and fourteen > ounees; the fourth pullet, hatched 20th July, weighs six pounds and > twelve ounecs. > > Mr. De Gruy, here alluded to, is an extensive breeder of fowls in the > suburbs of New Orleans. > > > http://books.google.com/books?pg=PA60&dq=%22de+gruy%22&lr=&id=XKs9AAAAIAAJ&i > e=ISO-8859-1&output=html_text > > <http://books.google.com/books?pg=PA60&dq=%22de+gruy%22&lr=&id=XKs9AAAAIAAJ& > ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html_text> > > page 69 > > The imported cock weighs twelve pounds and a quarter, and the hen eight > pounds, though she is yet young, and has not near attained her full > size. The color is a bright yellow, nnd the birds have all the usual > characteristics of the best blooded Shanghaes. I think them equal to any > I have ever seen. Mr. De Gruy, in a letter to me, of the 10th of > Deecmber, 1852, in speaking of these fowls, says: ' I consider them > extraordinay birds, and the finest, largest, and best ones in America." > They are larger than Brown't Importation, but resemble them in color." > > May have answered my own question.... see next: > > pgs 109-112 > WILD INDIAN MOUNTAIN FOWL. > > The fowls portrayed in this engraving, are owned by A. Verloin de Gruy, > Esq., of New Orleans, and are aecurate likenesses from life. They were > imported and introdueed into the United States by Capt. Thompson and Mr. > Stockbridge, for Bower and Estes, of whom I had my original stock. My > own stock, as well as that of T. B. Miner, Esq., of Clinton, N. Y., is > identical with that of Mr. De Gruy. > > > also > > Wisconsin. > > My Brahma Pootras are splendid, and cast Burnham's into the shade. The > fact is, they do not resemble his at all. They are quite different > birds, and greatly superior, more elegant and loftier. He is grossly in > error when he calls them grey Shanghaes. > > A. Verloin De Gruy, > > Lousiana. > > I give no residence to the writers of the foregoing extracts, to show to > the public that I am not advertising their fowls, as is often done in an > underhanded manner, for which a consideration is tendered. If it be > possible to furnish an honest work, without favoring friends, or fearing > foes, I desire to do it. > > Mr. De Gruy, it appears, was a purchaser of stock from Mr. Burnham, > which that gentleman calls " Brahma Pootras," alias grey Shanghaes, but > the pair he extols so highly were purchased in 1852, of Dr. Bennett for > $50, and I now have a letter in my possession from Mr. De G. to Dr. B., > stating that a friend had offered him $150 for this same pair of fowls, > and he refused to sell them! > > The stock that I purchased of Dr. Bennett were hatched in the same nest > with this pair sold to Mr. De G.; so Dr. Bennett writes me. I am well > aware that such prices will appear to some of my readers as fabulous, > yet I assure them it is strictly so. I have, myself, sold seven pairs > and one cock of this breed, lately, for $110; but they were chickens, > from two to four months old only. > > > This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be > "fact." All data should be verified. > Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. > Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

+BOSSANCOURT FAMILY+ > INTERMARRIED W/ VERLOIN deGRUY< contains a genealogical treasure trove which takes one to some of the most +ARISTOCRATIC NAMES IN FRANCE+. +THE GENEVOIS CONNECTION+ (lake geneva near gruyere) >connects bossancourt-genevois to the +DUKES OF SAVOY+ >and also via a most important +BEAUVOIR DYNASTY+ (think mrs. kennedy) >do you remember sometime back i discovered this lake geneva +BEAUVOIR CONNECTION+ which leads one through several centuries of some of the most famous families of +F R E N C H + H I S T O R Y+ 1) BOURBON-MONTPEROUX 2) VILLEFRANCHE 3) LAMOTHE (degruy/cavaroc) 4) CHOISEUL (powerful history) 5) BORDEAUX 6) LUR-SALUCES (chateau de y'quem) 7) AULCERRE 8) MARIGNY (so important to us) 9) JOUBERT (my friends in paris) >DUKES OF BURGUNDY, MARSHALS OF FRANCE, COUNTS, ADMIRALS, LORDS (even the noted actor, charles boyer) >and very importantly for VERLOIN deGRUY HISTORY.... +THE BRIENNE DYNASTY+ >king of jerusalem, custodian of the +HOLY SHROUD OF JESUS+ >(neighbors of the bossancourt) and verloin de gruy) >commander of de charney crusader +GEOFFREY DE CHARNEY 1st+ +KNIGHTS TEMPLAR+ +HOLY SHROUD PROTECTOR+ (greatest french knight) >spouse of de virgey,(degruyere +JEANNE de VIRGY+ >ancestor in the maternal line). +GENEVA TO CHAMPAGNE+ the huge bossancourt/genevois chart >REVUE CHAMPAGNE ET DE BRIE< (found on google search) >TAKES ONE DOWN TO CHATEAU de BOSSANCOURT ON THE AUBE RIVER /S. OF THE BRIENNE +C H A T E A U+ >here in the jaucourt chapel were WED, deGRUY/BOSSANCOURT +THE CRUSADER/TEMPLAR BOND+ ( holy shroud of jesus ) +ETERNAL AND STRONG+ (david's ring) >BLOOD, SIGNS, RITUALS< +(it still lives but in a >form of question) +THE BOSSANCOURT DYNASTY+ as i have previuusly reported >IS ALIVE TODAY IN FRANCE<. (a future report re; 18th, 19th >C. lords of bossancourt.) +THE GIGANTIC CHATEAU de BRIENNE+ +STILL EXISTS IN ALL OF ITS GLORY+ +SITE OF deGRUY FORMALITIES+ >it is truely magnificent ( illustrated in my champagne chateaux guide) +A NEW REVELATION+ >the text ( in french ) lists the other +VERLOIN de GRUY+ >neighbors from chateau vendeuvre +HENRI de LUXEMBOURG+ >(duke de piney, prince de tingry) >BRIENNE RELATED TO THE (kings, counts, dukes) >LUXEMBOURG FOR A P O W E R F U L +SYNERGY+ +the veloin degruy/bossancourt+ (TEMPLAR BOND) >holy shroud< +SYNERGISED NEIGHBORS+ >glorious w/ the french kings (valois & bourbon) +AT VERSAILLES PALACE+ +and magny fouchard+ gene ray, san diego, california

My Dad, Louis DeGruy, Jr., and his Dad, Louis DeGruy, Sr. were in the live poultry business, DeGruy's Poultry, in the 1940's in New Orleans. I remember the second floor of my Dad's bldg. was devoted to chickens of the world. He had pairs of chickens from all over the world including China. I still remember the poster that identified the different chicken breeds of the world. I fed and watered the chickens whenever I was at his shop. The different breeds were so colorful and beautiful. Unfortunately, they were all killed in a fire in 1950 when his building burned down. I have the Times-Picayune article about the fire and a picture of a surviving rooster. I could not find a date in the article. I don't remember why he decided to collect the different chicken breeds. I guess that was his hobby. I don't remember him or my Grandad telling me how they got into the chicken business. Thanks for the information. I don't know if there is a connection with my Dad and Grandad and the earlier DeGruys and the chicken business. Happy New Year! "Wheresoever you go, go with all your heart." Confucius God Bless, Lou DeGruy III -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of listadministratordegruyl Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 5:24 AM To: GEN Degruy Mailing list at Rootsweb Subject: [DEGRUY] So.... which of our Degruys was a fowl-breeder?????????? More from Google Books [searching for "de Gruy"] page 60 Friend Miner,-To-day I forward to Mr. De Gruy, two cocks and three pullets of the Palmer importation of Shanghaes. One cock, hatched on the 15th of May last, which weighs ten pounds and two ounecs ; the other cock, hatched on the 20th of May, and weighs ten povfnds, strong. One of the pullets, hatched July 1st, weighs eight pounds; another, same age, seven pounds and eight ounees ; and the third, hatched on the 6th of August, weighs six pounds and ten ounees. I likewise send Mr. De Gruy, to-day, one cock and four pullets of the Perley importation of Shanghaes. The cock was hatched on the 17th of June last, and weighs nine pounds and fourteen ounees. One of the pullets, same age, weighs eight pounds; another, same age, seven pounds and fifteen ounecs; and the other, same age, seven pounds and fourteen ounees; the fourth pullet, hatched 20th July, weighs six pounds and twelve ounecs. Mr. De Gruy, here alluded to, is an extensive breeder of fowls in the suburbs of New Orleans. http://books.google.com/books?pg=PA60&dq=%22de+gruy%22&lr=&id=XKs9AAAAIAAJ&i e=ISO-8859-1&output=html_text <http://books.google.com/books?pg=PA60&dq=%22de+gruy%22&lr=&id=XKs9AAAAIAAJ& ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html_text> page 69 The imported cock weighs twelve pounds and a quarter, and the hen eight pounds, though she is yet young, and has not near attained her full size. The color is a bright yellow, nnd the birds have all the usual characteristics of the best blooded Shanghaes. I think them equal to any I have ever seen. Mr. De Gruy, in a letter to me, of the 10th of Deecmber, 1852, in speaking of these fowls, says: ' I consider them extraordinay birds, and the finest, largest, and best ones in America." They are larger than Brown't Importation, but resemble them in color." May have answered my own question.... see next: pgs 109-112 WILD INDIAN MOUNTAIN FOWL. The fowls portrayed in this engraving, are owned by A. Verloin de Gruy, Esq., of New Orleans, and are aecurate likenesses from life. They were imported and introdueed into the United States by Capt. Thompson and Mr. Stockbridge, for Bower and Estes, of whom I had my original stock. My own stock, as well as that of T. B. Miner, Esq., of Clinton, N. Y., is identical with that of Mr. De Gruy. also Wisconsin. My Brahma Pootras are splendid, and cast Burnham's into the shade. The fact is, they do not resemble his at all. They are quite different birds, and greatly superior, more elegant and loftier. He is grossly in error when he calls them grey Shanghaes. A. Verloin De Gruy, Lousiana. I give no residence to the writers of the foregoing extracts, to show to the public that I am not advertising their fowls, as is often done in an underhanded manner, for which a consideration is tendered. If it be possible to furnish an honest work, without favoring friends, or fearing foes, I desire to do it. Mr. De Gruy, it appears, was a purchaser of stock from Mr. Burnham, which that gentleman calls " Brahma Pootras," alias grey Shanghaes, but the pair he extols so highly were purchased in 1852, of Dr. Bennett for $50, and I now have a letter in my possession from Mr. De G. to Dr. B., stating that a friend had offered him $150 for this same pair of fowls, and he refused to sell them! The stock that I purchased of Dr. Bennett were hatched in the same nest with this pair sold to Mr. De G.; so Dr. Bennett writes me. I am well aware that such prices will appear to some of my readers as fabulous, yet I assure them it is strictly so. I have, myself, sold seven pairs and one cock of this breed, lately, for $110; but they were chickens, from two to four months old only. This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. 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More from Google Books [searching for "de Gruy"] page 60 Friend Miner,—To-day I forward to Mr. De Gruy, two cocks and three pullets of the Palmer importation of Shanghaes. One cock, hatched on the 15th of May last, which weighs ten pounds and two ounecs ; the other cock, hatched on the 20th of May, and weighs ten povfnds, strong. One of the pullets, hatched July 1st, weighs eight pounds; another, same age, seven pounds and eight ounees ; and the third, hatched on the 6th of August, weighs six pounds and ten ounees. I likewise send Mr. De Gruy, to-day, one cock and four pullets of the Perley importation of Shanghaes. The cock was hatched on the 17th of June last, and weighs nine pounds and fourteen ounees. One of the pullets, same age, weighs eight pounds; another, same age, seven pounds and fifteen ounecs; and the other, same age, seven pounds and fourteen ounees; the fourth pullet, hatched 20th July, weighs six pounds and twelve ounecs. Mr. De Gruy, here alluded to, is an extensive breeder of fowls in the suburbs of New Orleans. http://books.google.com/books?pg=PA60&dq=%22de+gruy%22&lr=&id=XKs9AAAAIAAJ&ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html_text <http://books.google.com/books?pg=PA60&dq=%22de+gruy%22&lr=&id=XKs9AAAAIAAJ&ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html_text> page 69 The imported cock weighs twelve pounds and a quarter, and the hen eight pounds, though she is yet young, and has not near attained her full size. The color is a bright yellow, nnd the birds have all the usual characteristics of the best blooded Shanghaes. I think them equal to any I have ever seen. Mr. De Gruy, in a letter to me, of the 10th of Deecmber, 1852, in speaking of these fowls, says: ' I consider them extraordinay birds, and the finest, largest, and best ones in America." They are larger than Brown't Importation, but resemble them in color." May have answered my own question.... see next: pgs 109-112 WILD INDIAN MOUNTAIN FOWL. The fowls portrayed in this engraving, are owned by A. Verloin de Gruy, Esq., of New Orleans, and are aecurate likenesses from life. They were imported and introdueed into the United States by Capt. Thompson and Mr. Stockbridge, for Bower and Estes, of whom I had my original stock. My own stock, as well as that of T. B. Miner, Esq., of Clinton, N. Y., is identical with that of Mr. De Gruy. also Wisconsin. My Brahma Pootras are splendid, and cast Burnham's into the shade. The fact is, they do not resemble his at all. They are quite different birds, and greatly superior, more elegant and loftier. He is grossly in error when he calls them grey Shanghaes. A. Verloin De Gruy, Lousiana. I give no residence to the writers of the foregoing extracts, to show to the public that I am not advertising their fowls, as is often done in an underhanded manner, for which a consideration is tendered. If it be possible to furnish an honest work, without favoring friends, or fearing foes, I desire to do it. Mr. De Gruy, it appears, was a purchaser of stock from Mr. Burnham, which that gentleman calls " Brahma Pootras," alias grey Shanghaes, but the pair he extols so highly were purchased in 1852, of Dr. Bennett for $50, and I now have a letter in my possession from Mr. De G. to Dr. B., stating that a friend had offered him $150 for this same pair of fowls, and he refused to sell them! The stock that I purchased of Dr. Bennett were hatched in the same nest with this pair sold to Mr. De G.; so Dr. Bennett writes me. I am well aware that such prices will appear to some of my readers as fabulous, yet I assure them it is strictly so. I have, myself, sold seven pairs and one cock of this breed, lately, for $110; but they were chickens, from two to four months old only.

+500 YEARS AGO IN 1509+ >count jean de gruyere was impressed with two transcendent events that +IMPACTED CIVILIZATION FOREVER+ one he participated in, the other was the talk of all regal persons +(nature's divine proportions)+ >LEONARDO DA VINCI WAS A MOST +ADMIRED UNIVERSAL VISIONARY+ >as i have written, he was admired widely not just for his painting (based on proportions) >BUT FOR HIS TECHNICAL AND EVEN MILITARY STRATEGY. >the very fierce prince, cesere borgia, >DUKE OF VALENTINOIS< >had him designing fortresses and military strategy even though he >HAD NEVER SEEN A BATTLE< +DIVINE PROPORTIONS OF NATURE+ +INCORPORATED INTO ART AND+ (paintings to buildings) +ARCHITECTURE WAS IMPORTANT+ +IN HIS IMPRESSIVE OEUVRE+ >in i509 leonardo's transcendent vision was expanded to a larger audience when the book of luca pacioli +"DIVINE PROPORTIONS"+ >was published in venice with >SIXTY OF LEONARDOS DRAWINGS especially of dodecahedrons (i.e. buckminster fuller) +SHOWING NATURES PERFECTIONS+ >ONE DRAWING SUMS IT UP< >this apocalyptic vision was best shown in the extremly influential leonardo +d r a w i n g+ +THE VITRUVIAN MAN+ +(man stretched out in a circle)+ >named after the great roman architect vitruvias but concieved and drawn by +LEONARDO DA VINCI+ >to express the pefections of nature< (circles and proportions) +CIRCULAR CHURCHES+ >divine proportions became important in the design of the circular buildings of the +K N I G H T S + T E M P L A R+ >including, quite likely, the degruy +ROUND SUGAR MILL+ >THE TEMPLARS WERE GREAT ARDENTS OF LEONARDO'S GENIUS SOME SAY he was grand master of the priory +D E + S I O N+ >but they also knew that the +GREAT TEMPLE OF SOLOMON+ +IN JERUSALEM+ (count de brienne/s"kingdom") >WON BY THE HOLY CRUSADERS AND THE KNIGHTS TEMPLAR was round and based on the +DIVINE PROPORTION+ +A P O C A L Y P S E+ >in the spring of 1509 the count's of brienne & gruyere gathered with the >DUKES OF SAVOY, BRESSE, ANJOU AND NAVARRE plus the >15 YEAR OLD FUTURE FRENCH KING +FRANCOIS de ANJOULEME+ >with his mother louise de savoy in the new st. chapelle, turin... >FOR THE CONSECRATION OF THE SHROUD OF LIREY / TURIN (flemish artistry) >IN ITS NEW SILVER CASKET +RADIANT w/LIGHT ENERGY+. +five hundred years later we are+ +still in awe of this sacred relic.+ +HAPPY NEW YEAR, 2009+ gene ray, san diego, california