+TEMPLAR/SHROUD ALCHEMY+ (elites love power/secrets) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >if you study carefully my messages (ROOTSWEB deGRUY INDEX) >for this month of january 2009 >ONE CAN CONCLUDE THAT THE +ENTIRE AUBE REGION+ >WAS A HOTBED OF TEMPLAR / SHROUD ACTIVITIES ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THIS WAS THE LAND d'OL+ (huge trade fairs) +THE HEART OF FRANCE+ >all of the historical castles and chateau of regional power >WERE KNIGHTS TEMPLAR POWER NODES & LINKED TOGETHER BY VERY WARM BLOOD. +COUNTS, DUKES, KINGS+ >the counts dechampagne castle at bar-sur-aube at the top of list. >BRIENNE, CHOISEUL, LUXEMBOURG, >MONTMORENCY, BOSSANCOURT (google: bossancourt/templars) >JOINVILLE, LA ROCHE, PERRY, VILLENEUVE, PAMPLUME etc, etc, join our +VALENTIN VERLOING deGRUY+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +(in the tropical colony)+ >OUR OWN SONIAT DUFOSSAT (leonce soniat dufossat) +deGRUY RELATIVE WAS REX, KING (boston club elite secret >rituals, lloyd ray etc). >OF MARDI GRAS IN 1977.... +500 YEARS EARLIER+ >but more important descendent of +GUILLAUME de SAUNHAC+ (of castle du fossat >in gascony) +GRAND MASTER OF THE+ +KNIGHTS TEMPLAR+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >note: the u.s. news & world report special issue on secret societies can be purchased at your grocery store taking +IT ALL OUT OF THE CLOSET+ but sylvia browne's book on >S E C R E T S O C I E T I E S< ( $ 10 at costco ) >is a more comprehensive buy >WE MUST COMPREHEND THAT THE +CRUSADER KNIGHT RITUALS+ >put our degruyere ancestors into >a historical familiarity with the (very compelling) >SECRET SOCIETY DYNAMIC< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >PLUS THE HOLY SHROUD FAMILY (intense core families) >PASSION WAS ORIGINALLY A SECRET INVOLVMENT. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +BRIENNE le CHATEAU+ ( napoleon's military school & with irony, locus of one of his final disastrous losing battles ) >IS A LARGISH TOWN 10 KM N. OF OUR VERY OWN BOSSANCOURT CHATEAU & CHAPEL... SITE OF deGRUY/ BOSSANCOURT +W E D D I N G S+ +TEMPLAR / SHROUD+ >the brienne count was as we have discovered a crusader/templar WHO VIA HIS ROLE AS KING +O F + J E R U S A L E M+ >played a key role with the amazing +OTHON (OTTO) de LA ROCHE+ (ancestor of our jeanne devirgy +OROFLAME KNIGHT+ >married to geoffrey decharny) >IN BRINGING THE HOLY SHROUD TO THE CHAMPAGNE REGION. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +MARGARET de CHARNEY+ >it was their grand child who inherited +THE SACRED SHROUD OF LIREY+ >and married the powerful templar descendent of the count of troyes +HUMBERT de ROUGEMONT+ +de VILLERSEXEL+ +COUNT de LA ROCHE+ >which they took to their castle at +MONTBARD FRANCE+ >(in burgundy s. of the aube +locus of devirgy power+) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >and later sold to their relatives (ancient degruy relatives) +THE POWERFUL DUKE OF SAVOY+ where in their turin cathedral IT SHALL BE REVEALED THIS (in the pope's presence) >YEAR IN ALL OF ITS +R A D I A N C E+ ^^^^^^^^^ gene ray, san diego, california +W H O + A R E + W E+ (search for the sacred seeds)

Kitty says great news, Fort Charters needs to stay open as it is a great place with so much history and so much research could be done there to foster learning of humankind, glad to hear the news, good luck to the new Governor of Illinois and to the people of Illinois,Good luck and many blessings,> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 05:36:29 -0600> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Subject: [DEGRUY] Wah-hoo!> > Just heard that one of the first acts of the new governor of Illinois > [Quinn] will be to reopen all the state historical sites which were > recently closed!> > You Go, Fort de Chartres!!!> > Wah-hoo!> This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. > Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_012009

>AS WE SPEAK THE HOLY SHROUD OF JESUS INVESTIGATION IS ( see the internet ) +MAKING VITAL CHANGES+ >improved/corrected data places >THE DATE APPROX. THE< +DEATH OF JESUS+ >for current interesting information type in the following "google. com" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +"BONIFACE / HOLY SHROUD"+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >an important fact revealed immediately is that the poweful 4th crusade leader (degruyere knights were there) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +BONIFACE de MONTFERRAT+ (google his amazing life) >was brother of conrad de montferrat +KING OF JERUSALEM+ >which related him to our +COUNT de BRIENNE+ >( verloing degruy / perry assoc.) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +IMAGINE THE INTENSITY OF+ +INTEREST AT THE CHATEAU+ +MAGNY FOUCHARD+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >this ties him with......... yes< *************************** +OTHON (OTTO) de LA ROCHE+ ( degruyere/devirgy kin) >grand uncle of our very own +JEANNE de VIRGY+ +MONTFERRAT/LA ROCHE+ >are credited with importing< +THE HOLY SHROUD OF JESUS+ from jerusalem to become +ENSHRINED @ LIREY+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >remember, the de la roche chateau at MONT-SAINT-JEAN ( i found because of the de charney association with mont st. jean ) >IS NOW AN ELEGENT HOTEL IN BURGUNDY S. OF THE deGRUY MAGNY FOUCHARD ^^^^^^^^^^^^ +EPOTHEMONT+ > progress in this research..... 1) epothemont is a village and i presume was a perry/verloin chateau +LA PERRY de FAILLY de BEAUFORT (possibly de vailly) +SEIGNEUR de EPOTHEMONT ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >french internet information locus for epothemont is near our BAR SUR AUBE >close to degruy's chateau +MAGNY FOUCHARD+ 2)+CLAUDE deGRUY WAS ALSO A (not pottemont) >CAPTAIN OF EPOTHEMONT (in charge of 100 men) +THE PASSION OF OUR ANCESTORS+ ( holy shroud / holy grail ) >800 YEARS AGO SHALL< (radiance @ lirey) +LIGHT OUR SUMMER+ >the crowds shall be in turin but >we shall be where it was an (AUBE CENTERED) >(apocalyptic mission) +TEMPLER/CRUSADER+ +FAMILY (SECRET) PASSION+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ gene ray, san diego, california

Just heard that one of the first acts of the new governor of Illinois [Quinn] will be to reopen all the state historical sites which were recently closed! You Go, Fort de Chartres!!! Wah-hoo!

+THANKS TO MARY LYNN HYDE+ (tulane san diego den mother child of creole new orleans >who reads these musings) +I DO INTEND TO SHARE INFORMATION ABOUT OUR CHAMPAGNE TOUR 09. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +I AM IN THE PROCESS OF RESEARCH FOR THIS SEPTEMBER PILGRIMAGE. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +marianne and i have been booked on the queen mary to england for some time. from there we shall go to paris and the loire valley. +MY SUGGESTION IF YOU WISH TO SEE THE deGRUY SITES IN THE CHAMPAGNE/BURGUNDY. +is to join us there for september 19, 20, 21 and 22, 2009 +TROYES IS OF COURSE THE MAJOR CITY OF THIS REGION BUT WE SHALL FOCUS ON THE deGRUY VILLAGE OF +MAGNY FOUCHARD (30 km. southeast) >plus as many degruy related sites as possible in this region with the ancient walled town of L A N G R A I S >a very romantic star. +EPOTHEMONT+ >yesterday i reported that the chateau of edme degruy was titled pothemont not pottemont. new information may suggest a slightly longer version of +EPOTHEMONT+ >which must have been at vailly, just north of the city of troyes >SHALL CONTINUE THIS SEARCH< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THE SHROUD CHAPEL AT LYREY+ in my estimation should also +PRIMARY STAR+ >provide lustre to our safari. +THE CASTLE OF THE MONTMORENCY AT VENDEUVRE SUR BARSE IS AMAZINGLY STILL THERE. (and we shall see it) +VISION VERSUS REALITY+ >the chalange of a pilgrimage is to realise that what is there today may be an environmental >B L I G H T< +BUT FOR THOSE WITH VISION (& lots of research) >AND FAITH ALL MAY BE T R A N S C E N D E N T ! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >see you @ the tulane dinner ! ( MARDI GRAS PARTY ) all best gene

+BREAKING NEWS+ >in the process of researching this message i discovered that... +P O T H E M O N T+ (not pottemont) >is the name of edme degruy's co. of 100 mounted chevalier. >AND ONE PRESUMES HIS CHATEAU NAME ^^^^^^^^^^ +LORD OF POTHEMONT+ >(was his title)< ^^^^^^^^ >although his sponser +ANNE de MONTEMORENCY'S+ chateau +VENDEUVRE-SUR-BARSE+ (next to magny fouchard) +IS ASSOCIATED IN THE+ +WEB LISTINGS+ (shall investigate this) ^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THE VILLAGE OF LIREY+ >setting of the small church where THE HOLY SHROUD (lirey/turin) >WAS FIRST ENSHRINED IN FRANCE >can be found on a large scale map 10 KM SOUTH OF TROYES ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >in preparation for our pilgrimage i am researching the history of >THE PLACE TIME AND PEOPLE AROUND THIS AMAZING +MANIFESTATIONS+ +REVELATION+ >in perspective one concludes that OUR VERLOING & VILLENEUVE FAMILIES WERE PRESENT (1st shroud presentation) >IN 1356 WHEN LIREY CHAPEL WAS BUILT ^^^^^^^^^^^^ +BOND OF BLOOD+ >it may be important to consider that the advent of the shroud +SAVOY OWNERSHIP+ >was aided by the fact that the +deCHARNY, deVIRGY, dela ROCHE+ (the core "shroud mafia" families) +WERE INTERMARRIED WITH THE+ (see picnett & prince) +HOUSE OF SAVOY DUKES+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >AS OF COURSE WAS OUR< >COUNT MICHAEL deGRUYERE< >AND KING FRANCOIS 1st< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >this dynamic may explain the degruy settlement in this +AMAZING PLACE+ >(picknett & prince envisioned a >family conspiracy,.. read their turin shroud book) +MONT-SAINT-JEAN+ (google) >is a town in burgundy near montbard (SOUTH OF MAGNY FOUCHARD) +(note: mont-saint-jean is >another name for decharny) +(dela ROCHE-deVIRGY CASTLE)+ +WHERE THE SHROUD WAS BROUGHT AFTER IT LEFT LIREY, BEFORE THE SAVOY DUKES BOUGHT IT +SLEEP IN THEIR BED+ >note: after decharny died his devirgy widow married dela ROCHE-VILLER (holy shroud dowery) >SEXEL and their chateau is now A HOTEL @ MONT-SAINT-JEAN FRANCE, (GOOGLE FOR PHOTOS) (of the hotel & ancient castle) gene ray, san diego, california

Trust me, Gene... you didn't miss much. [email protected] wrote: > >( thanks to renee and mary lynn hyde > for telling me of the templar mini > series but other commitments > prevented my t.v. viewing.) >

+VERLOIN / DUFOUCHARD de GRUY+ >TEMPLAR CONNECTIONS ARE< +N U M E R O U S+ > i have written much about this +CHECK deGRUY INDEX FOR (rootsweb) >OCTOBER, 2008 >( thanks to renee and mary lynn hyde for telling me of the templar mini series but other commitments prevented my t.v. viewing.) +DOCUMENTARIES ARE AVAILABLE+ (book, d.v.d. and v.h.s. video) +IMPORTANT FACTS+ >in addition to the many points like david's ring and degruy history in france and switzerland. +MAGNY FOUCHARD WAS A+ (lirey holy shroud relic) +CENTRAL LOCUS+ >the degruys were always devoted if not fanatic roman catholics with >A GREAT CRUSADES HISTORY< +SUPREME NOBLE AWARDS+ >knights of christ, saint louis and order of saint michael plus the GOLDEN COLLAR with.... >deCHARNEY/deVIRGY ANCESTORS CARRYING THE OROFLAME AND BUILDING THE LIREY CHAPEL (w/ the popes approval) >TO REVEAL THE HOLY SHROUD OF JESUS CHRIST IN FRANCE FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >an apocalyptic event and locus that is to illuminate our sept. +P I L G R I M A G E+ +SONIAT DUFOSSAT+ >an important templar connection of the degruy family in new orleans is GUILLAUME de SAUNHAC (died in 1250) >SONIAT/ deGRUY ANCESTOR AND (his descendent) GRAND MASTER IN FRANCE OF ( gui de saunhac, baron du fossat) +THE KNIGHTS TEMPLAR+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +GUY DE SONIAT DU FOSSAT+ (see my earlier message) >soniat-dufossat street >in new orleans< ^^^^^^^^^ +BERENGER=BERRENGER=BARRINGER+ note: the following is an important degruy /templar connection and is written with our cousin (arthur garic) +GARIC BARRINGER+ >in mind< >ROMEE de VILLENEUVE< (devine comedy hero) (1170-1257) +SNESCHAL OF PROVENCE+ (early degruy ancestor, original family >VILLENEUVE/VERLOING< occupying chateau magny fouchard) +ROMEE+ >was married to the daughter of +C O U N T + B E R R E N G E R+ (powerful noble of provence) (berrenger maried his 4 >daughters to kings) +THREE OTHER CONNECTIONS+ 1) the daughter of our gui de saunhac baron du fossat was "berenger" saunhac du fossat 2) the toulouse-lautrec counts were >berenger related< +ULTIMATE TEMPLAR MYSTERY+ 3) the best is that the mysterious pastor/priest +>BERENGER< SAUNIERE+ >(his father steward @ >nearby templar castle >CAZERMAJUS<) +CONNECTS OUR HISTORY TO+ +THE AMAZING LEGENDS+ +"RENNES LE CHATEAU"+ gene ray, san diego, california

+FOUCHARD = FOUCHER+ >(as in magny fouchard, the verloin degruy chateau in france and the verloin degruy neighbors and in-laws in the french colony +N E W + O R L E A N S+ +GOOGLE+OVERVIEW+ >if one googles foucher/fouchard immediately one finds there are +29 SPELLINGS OF FOUCHER+ >FOUCHER, FOUCHARD, FOUCARD, FOUCHE, FOUQYET, FOUQUEAU FOUCAULT ETC., ETC., (the famous writer) >(one wonders if this was a factor in the closeness of the degruy and >foucher families in new orleans.) >OF COURSE THE VERY ARISTOCRATIC FOUCHER-deCIRCE NOLA FAMILY >may be a far cry from the 160 (FROM POITOU) >foucher immigrants into french canada 16-1900. >THE FRENCH VILLAGE OF FOUCHERES CAN BE FOUND ON THE MAP NEAR (templar / shroud fame) >LIREY AND MAGNY FOUCHARD >montigny is nearby thinking of dumont du montigny, famous LOUISIANA 18C. PERSONA (great writer & artist) +ALL SOUTH OF TROYES SITE OF THE COUNCIL THAT GAVE THE (9 original knights) >KNIGHTS TEMPLAR OFFICIAL +R E C O G N I T I ON+ gene ray, san diego, california

THANKS JUDY, >this is absurd....i actually use MSN2 >BECAUSE I PREFER THE LARGE SCREEN we have a small screen computer also. >IT'S LIKE REJECTING A LETTER,BECAUSE >YOU DON'T LIKE THE PAPER< >how can he respond to a letter that has been rejected w/o >READING IT< ? gene ray -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEGRUY] Fw: Mail Delivery Problem he is screening his emails and because you have webtv that might be a problem after he reviews your email he may respond. follow st augustine historical soc. his email addres is here. And another message: � ����������� Sub. : Re: Jacques Livaudais Date: 18/09/98 16:50:36 To: [email protected] http://www.chuckspeed.com/de_Chillaz/Bruno.htm Baron Bruno de Chillaz it was updated 2005 Your mail to the following recipients could not be delivered because they are not accepting mail from [email protected]: � � [email protected] ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HELLO RENEE, is it possible that my message to bruno chillaz would get through if forwarded by rootsweb ? THANKS gene

HELLO JUDY, >after sending the last message to bruno chillaz i recieved the following message. this was an automatic response. +any suggestions ? how did you find his address ? THANKS... gene -----Original Message----- From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 10:52 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Mail Delivery Problem Your mail to the following recipients could not be delivered because they are not accepting mail from [email protected]: bruno74

THANKS TO JUDY... gene (see below) -----Original Message----- From: Eugene Ray Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 10:52 AM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: MUTUAL FAMILY HISTORY/ wish to share information / +SEEK TO FIND FRENCH FAMILY settings & any chateaux that may be left / JACQUES LIVAUDAIS / "SOMME" carried my ancestor to louisiana >+NEED TO CONTACT BRUNO+< DEAR BARON BRUNO CHILLAZ, +I AM VERY PLEASED TO READ YOUR FAMILY HISTORY ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >because it appears to coincide with mine at several points 1) i am descended from the counts de GRUYERE who were intermarried with the de VIRGY (read "the counts of gruyere" by mrs reginald de koven) 2) the last count de gruyere died in the devirgy (deviry?)castle THOIRY ( THOYRE?) >(mrs dekoven's spelling is slightly different, but they must be the >SAME NAMES< 3) my degruy ancestors in lousiana were related to the marigny, destrehan, debore and also >DUSUAU de la CROIX who married the widow of +ANTOINE JEAN BAPTISTE VALENTIN VERLOIN deGRUY (our first louisiana ancestor) >this last i was amazed to find linked the dusuau de la croix and marigny with >MADAME de POMPADOUR (via her brother, abel) >WE ARE ALSO DESCENDED FROM THE FOUCHER, CARRIERE & LAMOTHE FAMILIES OF NEW ORLEANS AND F R A N C E >we return to france in september WHERE IS THE THOYRE RUIN ? >(we shall be in paris , loire, lorraine, champagne & burgundy) >THERE IS MUCH MORE< >see the degruy rootsweb index for my daily messages of the past several years. THANKS SO VERY MUCH ! >please read the earlier message >ENCLOSED BELOW< >i shall forward others that are relative to our interests. ALL BEST REGARDS... gene (verloin degruy) ray professor emeritus (architecture) -----Original Message----- From: Eugene Ray Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:05 AM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: JACQUES LIVAUDAIS / "SOMME" carried my ancestor tolouisiana / >+NEED TO CONTACT BRUNO+< DEAR ARNOLD, >in december 1738 my french ancestor ANTOINE JEAN BAPTISTE VALENTIN VERLOIN de GRUY >departed france on the king's ship "SOMME" >with a contingent of french soldiers BOUND FOR NEW ORLEANS. (city of my heritage) >i represent a large group of the descendents of this officer who >WAS BORN IN THE PALACE OF (in 1719) >VERSAILLES SON OF FRENCH NOBILITY WITH A CHATEAU +MAGNY-FOUCHARD+ >(originally from swiss +GRUYERE CASTLE+ >the captain of antoine's ship was +JACQUES JULIAN ESNOUL de LIVAUDAIS >who was also an ancestor of both >BRUNO & MYSELF< >I AM VERY ANXIOUS TO SPEAK WITH BRUNO AS I HAVE GENEALOGICAL DATA TO SHARE WITH HIM >example< >my verloin degruy(ere) ancestor was descended from count michael de gruyere who died in the castle +T H O Y R E+ (of his mother's virgy family) >THAT WAS OWNED BY BRUNO'S ANCESTORS MAKING US DISTANT COUSINS >there is much more that i am in the PROCESS OF RESEARCHING AND WRITING ABOUT FOR deGRUY >DESCENDENTS DAILY. >i am going to france in september AND PLAN TO PHOTOGRAPH deGRUY(ERE) SETTINGS (including thoyre if i can find the ruin). +I NEED THE LOCATION+ +FROM BRUNO+ >would you kindly pass this on >TO BRUNO FOR ME< >I SHALL BE VERY GRATEFUL.... sincerely eugene (verloin degruy) ray professor emeritus 5161 renaissance avenue (unit "b") san diego, california, 92122 e-mail: [email protected]

he is screening his emails and because you have webtv that might be a problem after he reviews your email he may respond. follow st augustine historical soc. his email addres is here. And another message:               Sub. : Re: Jacques Livaudais Date: 18/09/98 16:50:36 To: [email protected] http://www.chuckspeed.com/de_Chillaz/Bruno.htm Baron Bruno de Chillaz it was updated 2005 Your mail to the following recipients could not be delivered because they are not accepting mail from [email protected]:     [email protected] ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62)

THANKS TO CELINE.... gene (see below) -----Original Message----- From: Eugene Ray Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:05 AM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: JACQUES LIVAUDAIS / "SOMME" carried my ancestor tolouisiana / >+NEED TO CONTACT BRUNO+< DEAR ARNOLD, >in december 1738 my french ancestor ANTOINE JEAN BAPTISTE VALENTIN VERLOIN de GRUY >departed france on the king's ship "SOMME" >with a contingent of french soldiers BOUND FOR NEW ORLEANS. (city of my heritage) >i represent a large group of the descendents of this officer who >WAS BORN IN THE PALACE OF (in 1719) >VERSAILLES SON OF FRENCH NOBILITY WITH A CHATEAU +MAGNY-FOUCHARD+ >(originally from swiss +GRUYERE CASTLE+ >the captain of antoine's ship was +JACQUES JULIAN ESNOUL de LIVAUDAIS >who was also an ancestor of both >BRUNO & MYSELF< >I AM VERY ANXIOUS TO SPEAK WITH BRUNO AS I HAVE GENEALOGICAL DATA TO SHARE WITH HIM >example< >my verloin degruy(ere) ancestor was descended from count michael de gruyere who died in the castle +T H O Y R E+ (of his mother's virgy family) >THAT WAS OWNED BY BRUNO'S ANCESTORS MAKING US DISTANT COUSINS >there is much more that i am in the PROCESS OF RESEARCHING AND WRITING ABOUT FOR deGRUY >DESCENDENTS DAILY. >i am going to france in september AND PLAN TO PHOTOGRAPH deGRUY(ERE) SETTINGS (including thoyre if i can find the ruin). +I NEED THE LOCATION+ +FROM BRUNO+ >would you kindly pass this on >TO BRUNO FOR ME< >I SHALL BE VERY GRATEFUL.... sincerely eugene (verloin degruy) ray professor emeritus 5161 renaissance avenue (unit "b") san diego, california, 92122 e-mail: [email protected]

+TOURIST OFFICE+ >bar sur seine, france +DEAR FRIENDS, >we shall visit you in september, 2009 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >WE ARE SEEKING INFORMATION relating to the verloin degruy and following families who LIVED IN YOUR REGION. in the 15th-18th cent. +MAGNY FOUCHARD CHATEAU+ >was their main residence but they also lived at versailles. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >PRIMARY FAMILIES OF OUR INTEREST IN YOUR AREA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 1) de GRUYERE/deGRUY 2) VERLOING/VERLOIN 3) VALENTIN 4) FOUCHERE/FOUCHER 5) deVIRGY 6) le PERRY 7) BOSSANCOURT 8) PAMPLUME 9) d'AULNAY 10) VILLENEUVE 11) MONTMORENCY 12) BOUTTEVILLE >NOTE: many of these families related to the knights templar / shroud of turin history and i believe your >BAR SUR SEINE HISTORY IS AN IMPORTANT TEMPLAR PLACE OF INTEREST. +HUGHES de PAYEN< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >we are very interested in bar sur seine as a locus of the founder of the knights templar +HUGHES de PAYEN, & BELIEVE+ +OUR FAMILY WAS INVOLVED.+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >the degruy family descends in part from the >deVIRGY-deCHARNY FAMILIES (original owners of the shroud >OF LIREY / TURIN ) ^^^^^^^^^^^ +DOCUMENTA/INFORMATION+ +BIBLIOGRAPHY+ >we thank you for any information (BOOKS, PAMPHLETS ETC) >either by e-mail or on paper. MAPS, LETTERS, PHOTOS.) SINCERELY eugene ray professor emeritus 5161 renaissance ave. (unit "b") san diego, california u.s.a. 92122 >note: i shall be grateful for contact with historians, libraries etc. also who can help us. i represent a (deGRUY DESCENDENTS) >large group of the degruy< >family largely in louisiana.<

Gene, Thanks for the link to Bruno's interesting website. (http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Square/2320/bruno-b.html) Celine -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eugene Ray Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:34 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [DEGRUY] ADDITIONAL APOCALYPTIC INFO : from bruno-b.htmi website (2005) THOYRE CASTLE/ VIRY possible VIRGY FAMILY/ MARIGNY/ SAVOY DUKES/ LIVAUDAIS/ DESTREHAN NOTE: in honor of inauguration day i discovered a website in arabic (NORTH AFRICAN) listed under +FOUCHER de CIRCE+ (blazon in colour) >ABIMELECH FOUCHER de CIRCE marriage to >MARIE d' ANGENNES de MAINTENON (french king's mistress) >THIS IS HOW I DISCOVERED THE >AMAZING WEBSITE< > bruno-b.htmi < ^^^^^^^^ >if you google this you will discover MUCH INFORMATION RELATING TO deGRUY FAMILY HISTORY. >from bruno chillaz< 1) yesterday i related the abel marigny / madame pompadour connection to our >DUSEAU de la CROIX and >BERNARD de MARIGNY (providing much food for thought) +TRANSCENDENT SYNCHRONICITY+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2) THOYRE CASTLE of bruno's ancestors (MY SEARCH FOR MONTHS) >deVIRY, (possible deVIRGY) sounds (amazing information) >EXACTLY LIKE MICHAEL deGRUYER's (shroud of turin owners) >MOTHER'S FAMILY & CASTLE >which is in the savoy region< >I AM ECSTATIC ABOUT THIS AND NEED TO CONTACT BRUNO (he may be in s.w. louisiana (MISS KITTY, PLEASE) >or in new orleans if you find him, let me know) 3)de LIVAUDAIS/ de MARIGNY: bruno's chronicle of that family history is very important for our history. >DID YOU NOTICE THAT JACQUES LIVAUDAIS WAS CAPTAIN OF THE "SOAME" IN 1739 THE YEAR ANTOINE WAS +A B O A R D+ ^^^^^^^ +may this inauguration atone, just+ +a little, all that degruy slavery+ MORE LATER..... gene ray, san diego, california This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

+APOCALYPTIC + INFORMATION+ (need to persue "bruno" source) >ARE YOU FELLOW GRUYERENS ABLE TO RECIEVE MY MESSAGES ? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >recently i shared my discovery of the +"BRUNO" WEBSITE + (bruno-b.htmi) (loaded w/ degruy related information). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >i asked for aid to get in touch with >COUSIN BRUNO< (dusiau de la croix/marigny >plus gruyere ties etc.) >THERE WAS NO RESPONSE< >are you there ? >can you read me ? +please let me know+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THANKS gene ray

Ray we are getting your messages loud and clear and really really appreciate all you post for us on the degruy/le perry/perrin my brick wall is the Perrin's not related to David as far as I know. Looking forward to more of your discoveries........ Judy Perrin This is what opened up for me? Baron Bruno de Chillaz http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Square/2320/bruno-b.html could not open? can't find website +"BRUNO" WEBSITE + (bruno-b.htmi) ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmp gID=62%26bcd=DecemailfooterNO62)

+NEWS FLASH+ +POTEMONT CHATEAU+ >vailly, france< ^^^^^^^^ +LORDS OF POTEMONT+ (degruy champagne branch) >THE deGRUY FAMILY AT MAGNY FOUCHARD CAME FROM THE COMMUNE OF VAILLY ,7km >NORTH OF TROYES< >EDME deGRUY, LORD OF POTEMONT WAS CAPTAIN OF A CO. OF 100 +MOUNTED KNIGHTS+ >(his wife edmonde was from the powerful bossancourt family) +CLAUDE deGRUY+ (son of edme de gruy and edmonde de bossancourt) >MARRIED JEANNE le PERRY ON MARCH 20th 1639 TO BECOME THE FIRST OF THE deGRUY FAMILY TO OCCUPY +MAGNY FOUCHARD CHATEAU+. +214 YEAR HISTORY+ +BEFORE ARRIVAL OF deGRUYS+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >the chateau's 1st recorded owner was NICHOLAS de VILLENEUVE 1425 +THE VERLOING FAMILY TOOK OVER chateau magny fouchard >WHEN DAVID deVERLOING >MARRIED JEANNE deVILLENEUVE (dame en partie de magny fouchard ) >AN IMPORTANT HISTORICAL POINT WAS WHEN SON GUILLAUME de VERLOING MARRIED REGAL (dagobert kings) +MARGUERITE DAGOBERT+. >and their grandson >JACQUES GUILLAUME de VERLOING married >LOUISE de SAINT SIMON (her family close to the >sun king, louis xiv) +EARLY ALLIED MARRIAGES+ >the aulnay, richebourg, pamplume, +ROUCHEHOUART+ >du mesnil, bertin, bossancourt, +VALENTIN, GRISSON+ >gennes & chanteraine are in ETC., ETC., ETC., >the verloing lineage also ) >MAGNY FOUCHARD CHATEAU WAS GIVEN MUCH LUSTRE BY THESE ARISTOCRATIC FAMILIES >the very noble family of +LEONARD le PERRY+ >took over chateau magny fouchard when leonard married +JEANNE de VERLOING+ >THEIR GRANDAUGHTER, JEANNE le PERRY MARRIED CLAUDE deGRUY (march 20th., 1639) >TO START THE deGRUY DYNASTY (ancient & transcendent) +CHATEAU MAGNY FOUCHARD+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +T R A N S I T I O N+ >now we must research their >earlier history at +POTEMONT CHATEAU+ gene ray, san diego, california