Oh Dear! This appeared on the LAORLEAN list today.... Message: 1 Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 12:42:19 -0500 From: "Carolyn Long" <[email protected]> Subject: [LAORLEAN] possible closing of the New Orleans Notarial Archives Research Center To: "Orleans Parish listerve" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" For several months the rumor has been circulating that the New Orleans Notarial Archives Research Center (NARC) might have to close, and that the books containing the handwritten acts of the notaries might become inaccessible. These notarial acts, dating from 1733 to 1970, deal with the buying and selling of real estate and slaves, slave emancipations, marriage contracts, acknowledgment of children born outside of marriage, powers of attorney, wills, matters relating to the settlement of a deceased person's estate (called the succession in Louisiana), and various other business agreements. Dale Atkins, Clerk of the Civil District Court, has given me permission to distribute the explanation she has given me about the possible fate of the Notarial Archives Research Center. Please contact Ms. Atkins at [email protected] Explain what a precious resource the NARC is to scholars, genealogists, and people researching the history of their houses, and offer suggestions for how to procure funding keep it open, including not only outside funding sources but also increased user fees. Ms. Adkins' reply to my inquiry is copied below. Carolyn Morrow Long, Washington, DC On January 1, 2009, the Notarial Archives, which includes the Research Center and the fifth floor filing department, were merged into the office of the Clerk of the Civil District Court, along with two other public offices. The Notarial Archives doesn't receive funds from the City or State. It operates from filing/recording fees received from users. My first day over the operations of the merged offices was January 5. On January 8, the CPA for the Notarial Archives informed me that in three months I would have to make decisions as to whether or not to cut salaries or lay off staff in order for Notarial Archives to survive financially unless the economy turned around. For nine months out of 2008, Notarial Archives expenditures exceeded its revenues by an monthly average of $50,000. For example, in January 2008, the expenses exceeded revenues by $9,000 dollars. By December 2008, expenses exceeded revenues by $68,000 dollars. Half of Notarial Archives reserves were used in 2008 to cover the shortfall. The remainder of Notarial Archives reserves will only cover the continued shortfall for six months unless the economy improves and real estate transactions increase, or efforts are taken to reduce Notarial Archives expenditures. I was presented with this information for the first time on January 8, on the heels of the Times-Picayune's editorial suggesting that I look to see if the costs of operating these offices could be reduced by staff reductions. Prior to January 8, I had not been provided any information as to the financial difficulty facing Notarial Archives despite repeated requests about the financial status of each office. My last requests was made in early December 2008. Upon learning said information, I have taken the approach to try to find ways to increase revenue as well as to reduce expenditures where possible. I made the staff of the Notarial Archives aware of the situation because I believe that information, especially accurate information, is the key to making good decisions. I asked all of the staff to offer any suggestions they could think of. I asked the deputy chief of Notarial Archives to meet with the supervisors to see if they could come with any suggestions. I'm trying to include everyone before I make any decisions. I spent the month of January speaking to legislators to inform them of the situation hoping that we could get help from the State. Specifically, the Legislature sets filing fees for the Notarial Archives. Fees haven't been increased in twelve years. Since the economy is doing poorly and it affects everyone, the idea of raising fees may not pass, and I understand that because I would prefer some other alternative. I'm gathering information and am open to any ideas. I want laying off staff or reducing salaries as my last resort. To do that in these tough times just seems so harsh to me. I have learned through this process each person or department is protecting what I call as their turf and is quick to inform me of the outcry from whomever if cuts are made in their departments. I looked forward to meeting with you to share this information, hear another perspective, and ask you what, if any, suggestions you may have as a user the Notarial Archives. I apologize for the long e-mail but I wanted to share with you the facts involving the financial operations of the Notarial Archives. I haven't made any decisions nor have I had any discussions with anyone about shutting down any part of the operations of the Notarial Archives. Included in the suggestions I have received is the suggestion from some Notarial Archives staff and users of both the third flood Research Center and the fifth floor filing department that I begin with the third floor because the expenditures for the Research Center are significant and it generates little revenue. Again, I haven't made any decisions. I hope to make decisions that have as little detrimental effect on the staff and public as possible. Whatever decisions I end up having to make you may not agree with but I think we can agree that something has to be done. I can assure you that whatever I do will be based upon research, with input from anyone who wants to do so. My decisions will be based upon sound reason and all information for the basis of my decisions will be available to the public.

1) +THANKS TO HELEN+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >if you notice the date of his immigration +BOBE desCLOSEAUX+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >WAS PROBABLY ON THE SAME SHIP, FRANCE TO NEW ORLEANS, AS OUR (winter 1738-1739) >ANTOINE JEAN BAPTISTE VALENTIN VERLOIN deGRUY >(who like king francois 1st going to war +WAS BARELY 20 YEARS OLD+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +our very noble heroic+ >NOAILLES WAS ON THAT SAME (bienville's rival) >KING'S SHIP THE "SOMME" +ANTOINE'S RELATIVES+ ( via de la vergne) >(a lady has promised to send noailles papers >from new orleans) >deGRUY/BOBE RELATION< >also to corroborate his kinship notice >THE >VALENTIN< USED IN HIS SON JEAN-ARNOULD'S NAME ! (i believe he also reported the death +LIFELONG FRIENDS+ of our antoine from fort chartres) 2) +CHATEAU de CORMATIN+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THANKS TO RENEE+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >chateau de cormatin is truly a very +MAGNIFICENT PLACE+ >located in southern burgundy far south of magny fouchard near +BOURG EN BRESSE+ (savoy dukes and JOHN RAY' WIFE >catherine debresse) >IT IS DIRECTLY EAST OF GRUYERES AND PROBABLY FIGURED IN THE (fabulous) >deVIRGY/deSAVOY deGRUYERE >HISTORY OF THE DUKES +O F + B U R G U N D Y+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >note: michael degruyere, the last count WAS DEEPLY INVOLVED W/ HIS de VIRGY RELATIVES AFFAIRS AND THEY WERE MARSHALS OF +B U R G U N D Y+ with >LONG FAMILY TIE WITH THE +HOLY SHROUD OF JESUS+. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >shall look into this later but we leave this a.m. for some r&r in >WESTWOOD VILLAGE >BEVERLY HILLS >SANTA MONICA >HOLLYWOOD >BEL-AIR >marianne's childhood milieu which we enjoy together ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +ART MUSEUMS+ +ARCHITECTURE+ +PHOTOGRAPHY+ >dining, cabaret, bookshops, +a l c h e m i s t s+ >hotels, movie stars and >BILLIONAIRES IN< >BASEBALL CAPS< ^^^^^^^^^^ gene ray, san diego, california

NAVO-On Thursday, November 14, 1940, at 2 o'clock a.m., MRS. ESTELLE DE GRUY NAVO, daughter of the late Camille De Gruy and Leonide St. Amant, aged 74 years; a native of this city. Relatives and friends of the family are invited to attend the funeral which will take place from the funeral home of Joseph Laughlin, Inc., 4500 Magazine street, on Friday, November 15, 1940 at 10:30 o'clock a. m. Requiem high mass at St. Stevens church, Napoleon avenue and Camp street at 11 o'clock. Interment in St. Louis cemetery No. 1, Basin street. New Orleans Public Library Times Picayune Newspaper November 15, 1940; pg 2, c8 Helen Kendrick

St. Tammany Library, Covington, LA. Book: A Dictionary of Louisiana Biography; Volume 1, A to M Glenn R. Conrad; page 81 BOBE-DESCLOSEAUX, Jean-Baptiste-Claude, administrator. Born, Versailles, France, in late seventeenth or early eighteenth century. Worked in French Ministry of Marine, 1722-1728. Sent to Louisiana in 1739 to fill the post of comptroller of the navy; stationed at Mobile. In the 1740's served as acting commissary of the navy in place of an ailing official. After the commissary's death, applied for and was eventually named to the post of commissary of the navy. Served for many years on the Superior Council of the colony. Work for the navy took him to other settlements of the colony. Stationed at New Orleans in the latter part of his colonial service. When he first came to Louisiana, he left his wife Marie Jacquinot de Lorme and two sons in France, but family joined him in later years. A French army officer who died while on duty in the Illinois country was listed as "Desclozeaux" in Governor Vaudreuil's correspondence of July 28, 1750, and may have been his son. One of his sons who is definitely identified was Jean-Arnould-Valentin Bobe'-Descloseaux who remained in Louisiana after his father was recalled to France in 1762. This son served the French government and became ordonnateur in 1769 after Spanish rule had been established. He was ordered to carry French records back to France in 1772, but drowned at sea when the Marie Therese, the ship on which he was traveling, was wrecked. The records he carried were also lost. Another son, Joseph Guillaum Stanislas Bobe'-Descloseau, a government clerk in Versailles, survived his parents and brothers. Subject's death date is unknown. J.J.J. Sources: Bill Barron, ed. The Vaudreuil Papers (1975); Dunbar Rowland and A. G. Sanders, eds., Mississippi Provincial Archives, French Dominion, IV, V (revised and ed., Patricia Kay Galloway, 1984); New Orleans Genesis, XXV I (1987) Helen Kendrick

1837, May 23 Nuptial Benediction given on Tuesday the 23rd day of May of 1837 uniting Laurent GAMOTIS, native of Bassonees, Department of Gars, France, son of deceased Sieur Jean GAMOTIS and Dame Laurance LAFITTE with Jeanne Louise Modest BEL, native of this city, daughter of Mr. Antoine BEL and of the deceased Dame Marie Azelie BOUTTE Witnesses: A. DELPEUCH, L. DELOCKE, J. CASSE, A. BEL, MONDELLE, T. LALANNE, Esilda BEL, MONDELLE nee BOUTTE /s/L. Moni St. Louis Cathedral Marriage Book 6 - No. 344 New Orleans Genesis: Vol XXVI, July 197, No. 103, pg 325 Helen Kendrick

New Orleans, Louisiana The third of February, I the undersigned Fr. Antonio de Sedella, Religious Capuchin, Pastor of the Parish Church of St. Louis in New Orleans, this year of 1818, having fulfilled the ordinary diligences with the publication of three Canonical Banns on three successive Feast Days, there being no impediment, have given the Nuptial Benediction to Antonio Bel, a resident of this city, a native of Faucigny, legitimate son of Antoine BEL and of Juana PANISSET, with Marie Azelia BOUTETT, a resident of this city and a native of the Attakapas, legitimate daughter of Juan Bautista BOUTETT and of Maria Luisa LEMEL, and received the mutual consent of the contracting parties and others, signing Alexandro ST. AMAND, Francesco JAROD, Joseph PERILLAC and the father of the groom, I have signed the month and year above. /s/Fr. Antonio de Sedella. St. Louis Cathedral Marriage Book 3, page 208, No. 732 New Orleans Genesis; Vol XXVI; July 1987; No. 103; 325 Helen Kendrick

+BREAKING NEWS+ >this small yonne riverside town was built on the french/champagne border to protect france. >BEFORE THEY OWNED CHAMPAGNE. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +(very important for us)+ >ONCE THE PALACE OF THE FRENCH KING LOUIS VII, BUILT IN 1163 (original name was "villeneuve le roy"... the king's new town) >THIS MAY EXPLAIN THE ORIGINS OF OUR VILLENEUVE ANCESTORS !!! (perhaps even the le roys) >KING/SAINT LOUIS LIVED HERE. he left for the 8th crusade from the castle here.... >A POWERFUL ATTRACTION FOR OUR deGRUY(ERE) ANCESTORS> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >see my message below... gene -----Original Message----- From: Eugene Ray Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 9:52 AM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: LOST FRENCH family quest 15 C. / VERLOINdeGRUY return to roots /ROOM RESERVATION / research of CHAMPAGNE FAMILIES from 300 years ago / REQUEST HELP. +LESLIE CARON+ >auberge la lucarne aux chouettes villeneuve-sur-yonne, france DEAR MS. LESLIE CARON ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >my wife , marianne, and i send greetings and a request to reserve your room "THE SUITE" +THE NIGHT OF SEPTEMBER 22.2009+ (we also request a table for dinner at 8 p.m. in your dining room. >outside if weather is warm. +LOS ANGELES, 1940S & 50S+ >(my wife grew up in westwood village in los angeles where tyrone power was an usher in her church. we +GOLDEN MEMORIES+ >are both fans of your cinema.) +P I L G R I M A G E+ >we are coming to your champagne region in search of traces of my grandmothers french family. +VALENTIN VERLOIN deGRUY+ (gruyere counts descent) >is the name of my grandmother's family who lived in the chateau +MAGNY FOUCHARD+ >it was in 1738 when our ancestor >ANTOINE JEAN BAPTISTE VALENTIN VERLOIN deGRUY >imigrated to new orleans where his descendents were pioneer sugar and indigo planters. >HE WAS BORN IN THE VERSAILLES (louis xiv and louis xv) >PALACE WHERE HIS FATHER WAS >col. in the king's bourbon reg. >RELATED ANCESTRAL FAMILIES WHO ONCE LIVED @ CHATEAU >(our roots), +M A G N Y + F O U C H A R D+ >a partial list of relatives< 1) VILLENEUVE as early as the 15th century, probably earlier. >villeneuve married our daniel deverloing 2) PERRY 1) BOSSANCOURT 2) RICHEBOURG 3) DAGOBERT 4) SAINT SIMON 5) PAMPLUME 6) MESNIL 7) AULNAY +OUR VILLENEUVE ANCESTORS+ >note: the villeneuve family is the earliest family to live at chateau (15TH C. OR EARLIER) >magny fouchard and i believe must relate to your history >VILLENEUVE-SUR-YONNE< (originally) >VILLENEUVE-DE-ROY< >we shall photograph chateaux and mies en scene... many degruy relatives await in native louisiana. >PERHAPS SOME DESCENDENTS >ARE STILL IN THE REGION. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >we look forward to our visit and hope historians can help us. >LIBRARY, UNIVERSITY OR (perhaps e-mail) >LOCAL HISTORIANS >NEWSPAPERS ETC, (we send our visa card no. in a seperate e-mail to you). +THANKYOU AND ALL BEST REGARDS... >eugene (verloindegruy) ray architect, master of fine art professor emeritus tel. 858 457 1054 e-mail:, [email protected] >5161 renaissance ave. san diego, california u.s.a., 92122

+NOTE: THIS IS THE MAJOR STOP IN THE SEPTEMBER PILGRIMAGE >for those interested we shall stay on september ,21st at the HOTEL DE LA POSTE LANGRES, FRANCE (this is a very historical walled town about 65 mi. from magny fouchard) >am negotiating a stop on sept 22 @ LESLIE CARON'S AUBERGE in VILLENEUVE SUR YONNE (our villeneuve) >near the lyrey chapel >stay tuned< >SEE LETTER BELOW....... gene ray, sandiego, california -----Original Message----- From: Eugene Ray Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 10:38 AM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: PILGRIMAGE, september 19,20, in search of VERLOIN deGRUY family ANCESTORS IN YOUR REGION.... we shall stay at your hotel >need CONTACT WITH HISTORIAN via library, university, tourist office or ANY FAMILY DESCENDENTS >MOULIN du LANDION dolancourt, france +DEAR FRIENDS, this is to follow up on my telephone call of yesterday, reserving a double room with large double bed for SEPTEMBER 19 &20, 2009 ( i gave you a visa no. ) >AS YOU SUGGESTED THIS LETTER IS TO SEEK HISTORICAL RESEARCH AID (for many degruy relatives living in the u.s.a.) >FROM PEOPLE OR AGENCIES IN YOUR AREA WHO COULD HELP US IN FINDING OUR ROOTS. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +VALENTIN VERLOING deGRUY+ our primary family >(16th to 18th centuries) and >RELATED FAMILIES< 1) le PERRY 2) de BOSSANCOURT 3) de VILLENEUVE 4) de PAMPLUME 5) de SAINT SIMON 6) de CHANTEREINE 7) de AULNAY 8) DAGOBERT 9) du MESNIL 10) de RICHEBOURG >THESE VERLOIN deGRUY & RELATED families lived in the chateau at +MAGNY FOUCHARD+ (5 km. away) or at other chateau >LOCATED IN YOUR REGION< >we hope that universities, libraries, +REGIONAL HISTORIANS+ >tourist bureaus and news papers +MIGHT AID OUR QUEST+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >we thank you in advance +FOR YOUR HELP+ >SINCERELY eugene (degruy) ray m.f.a., architect professor emeritus tel. 858 457 1054 >5161 RENAISSANCE AVE. townhouse "b" >SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA 92122, U.S.A. e mail [email protected]

Information from the Caumartin site http://www.chateaudecormatin.com/TestPages/history-cormatin.html The existing building was started in 1605. It used the foundations of a fortified castle built by Henri du Ble in 1280. The medieval fortress took advantage from the protection of the river , which flowed at the foot of its walls. The "great tower", or keep, would have occupied the site of the north-east Pavilion, where we will shortly see the marquise's apartments. Although of a very ancient lineage (already noble in the year 1000) the du Ble family for long remained only of local importance. It was not until 1560 that the family acquired by marriage the barony of Huxelles(some 2 kms away, between Cormatin and Chapaize) considered to be one of the grandest estates in Burgundy. At the end of the 16th Century, during the wars of religion, Antoine du Ble, Baron of Huxelles, was one of the principal military leaders of the Catholic Ligue in Burgundy. He added considerably to his fortune by extensive pillage. In 1595 he suddenly deserted the Catholic side in order to support the new king, Henri IV. He captured the town of Tournus from his former allies, a strategic crossing on the Soane. This rallying to the cause, although belated, brought him a considerable reward. Furthermore, in 1601 he was appointed Military Governor of Chalon, a position of trust in opposition to the Franche Comte. In 1605 Antoine du Blé started to rebuild Cormatin, the most ancient of the family properties. This building is very characteristic of the period. The first decades of the 17th Century saw the rebuilding of a great number of chateaux. The wars of religion occasioned the development of a new social order. The leading citizens wanted to affirm their new status. The building of a castle was an essential component of social recognition. A castle was not built in order to have a beautiful country house: it was built to make a statement about the owner, "to seat one's nobility". It was said at the time that " it is the chateau that makes the nobleman". Everything should combine to boost the building's prestige and symbolic value: the medieval site is retained to affirm the family's antiquity. The du Ble family could boast of belonging to the oldest nobility in the kingdom. They were already named as the nobility in the chateau in the charters of the Abbey of Cluny in the year 1000. These noble origins in time immemorial (they have no identifiable commoner ancestor) was an important element of prestige, which must be emphasised. It explains why the cradle of the family is "magnified" (made grand), rather than the castle at Uxelles, an otherwise more prestigious estate, but in the family for too short a time. The feudal ground plan is retained: a square with 4 towers at the corners. This design had both a practical motive (reusing the foundations) and a defensive motive (protection against brigands). At the outset, a rampart enclosed the side with the main entrance, and access was only possible across a drawbridge over the 26 m wide moat. Gun-ports cover all the walls in crossfire to reach any possible attackers. The enclosed plan had above all a political motive. With moat and drawbridge, the chateau could effectively withstand a small army, and therefore possibly the king's soldiers. Until the wars of La Fronde (1648-53), the nobility remained turbulent, continuing to haggle bitterly over their obedience to the crown. A military base allowed one to be feared and thus to be a more credible negotiator. The ramparts were demolished before the end of the 16th Century, as in many French chateaux. Even if there were practical aesthetic reasons (a courtyard open to the outside was less dreary and stuffy), the demolition was above all a political act. It testified to Louis XIV that the nobility accepted his authority and set aside all ideas of revolt. Around 1815 the moat was filled in with 12000 cu m of earth taken from the gardens. At the same time the facade were covered in ivy. In this way the image of a castle was obliterated to make way for that of a large bourgeois house. The moat was re-excavated in 1988-89 and the earth used to restore the levels in the gardens. R

Hi I've Just uploaded a page from the Duke de Saint-Simon on our website...based on this Huxelle, Uscelle, de Ble discussion. Think I put it under "News" Renee

Doing a quick Google search I find Letters (1694-1700) of Francois de Callie`res to the Marquise d'Huxelle (Lewiston, 2004) p. 12, note 38. [This comes from an article entitled: "Franc,ois de Callie`res and the Literary/Rhetorical Dimensions of Diplomacy" ] downloadable from internet *Here's another that might be of interest to Gene [in case it's anywhere where he might be going on his upcoming trip]... plus it has a reference to de Ble, which we saw in David Perrin's notes Here's the link for what follows below: http://www.francemag.com/france-travel-france-travel-articles-france-for-cyclists-france-for-cyclists-cycling-in-burgundy--708 *Cha^teau de Cormatin 71460 Cormatin Tel: (Fr) 3 85 50 16 55 * Opulence* "The cha^teau is best known for its Louis XIII interiors; opulent and highly decorated and designed by the leading craftsmen of their time. The interiors were created for Jacques de Ble' and his young wife Claude Phe'lypeaux who married in 1617 and took the titles of Marquis and Marquise d'Huxelle. Jacques was a dashing favourite of Marie de Medici and Claude was the daughter of the Treasurer. It was the marriage of an old family and new wealth, cut short by Jacques' death 12 years later. The cha^teau de Cormatin was built by Jacque's father, Antoine de Ble'---a staunch Catholic and political opportunist. During the French Wars of Religion he fought against the Protestant Henry IV to defend Paris. When Henry converted to Catholicism, de Ble' put southern Burgundy under royal authority, and was rewarded with the post of King's Lieutenant in the Chalonnais. The cha^teau was built to reflect this new status. The most impressive parts of the cha^teau are the former apartments of the Marquis and Marquise. The Marquise's bedroom is particularly charming. Outside, extensive grounds feature ponds, a maze and landscaped formal gardens. This was the end of the 14 kilometre-stretch of the Voie Verte that I explored. One of the great advantages of hiring bikes is that it is possible to arrange for them to be collected, which makes a one-way journey possible. Southern Burgundy has many delights on offer; Beaujolais wines, medieval architecture, honey-coloured villages and gastronomy to name just a few. But for a blast of fresh air and a close-up view of the country-side, you really should get on your bike!" The Chateau has its own website http://www.chateaudecormatin.com/TestPages/main-cormatin.html

Thanks, Helen. I'm very interested in this one. Actually I think I've posted this same entry here a few years ago. It has to do - I Think - with Pierre Huxelle, my elusive GG Grandfather, who was married first to Julie Eveline Boutte and then, when Julie died, to my GG Grandmother Marie Cecilia Cunningham [Brandon last name from her earlier marriage]. I'm Always looking for information on these folks, so I really appreciate any scraps of information anyone can find! We're also very curious about that "Huxelle" - where it comes from and how it relates to our European background. I actually think there is another Pierre Huxelle who lived in Alabama; not sure of the interconnection between these two. Here's some other material I have on him: "David Perrin has Huxelle = Nicolas du Ble, Marechal D' ... est apple au conseil sous le ministere du Cardinal de Fleur [one record has s. Pierre Uscelle DeGruy and Adelle Audibert (SLC, B40, 225) Info from ANOSR 19; I have this record" Information on Pierre Huxelle is: on the 11th instant Baronne between Delchaise and Foucher Streets in this city; citation 83 602 Occupation: death cert says "deceased was married, a clerk by occupation De Gruy Pierre Huxelle 66 yrs - W 09/11/1883 83 602 Orleans Parish Death Index Reel 2 (1877-1895) HAVE FOLLOWING OBIT RECORD Pierre Huxelle De Gruy . white- a native of this city aged 66 years 6 mos departed this life on the eleventh instant 11 Sept 1883 on Baronne bet Delachaise and Foucher Streets in this city; cause of death malarial fever [billous Remittent] certificate of Dr LF Salomon; deceased was married . a clerk by occupation got this at La Archives on 8-12-04... have to verify that Huxelle is our Peter Degruy.... can't find name Huxelle anywhere else Note from Renee: Problem: He appears as Pierre in some records and Henry in others. How do I figure out if he was Pierre Huxelle Degruy or Pierre Henry Degruy or if they are one and the same and he was Pierre Henry Huxelle Degruy.What to do? Wally wrote a nice long email to me regarding this whole family branch... He might want to republish it here... He has figured out a lot of the confusing interrelationships. Renee > Covington, La. > > Book: > De La Barre - Life of a French Creole Family in Louisiana by William D. Reeves-1980 > > Section Titled: > Leaders in Jefferson Parish > > Pascalis Labarre, plantation manager, sheriff of Jefferson Parish, member of the Pickwick Club > (Times-Democrat, September 11, 1892) (includes a hand drawn picture of Labarre) > > After brief service as deputy sheriff, in August 1853, Pascalis announced his candidacy for sheriff, running against the Democrat, James C. Fanning and independent, P. H. DeGRUY. The Carrollton Star came out strongly for Pascalis. > > Labarre and DeGRUY will come into the arena more gallantly and agreeably mounted. It will be a beautiful sight to see the manner in which they will each manage his popular and mettlesome charger. Each will have his hosts of admiring applauders and anxious backers. For ourselves, we, in this single instance, are fain to throw aside our usual guise of neutrality, and openly proclaim our partiality and our preference of Labarre. The gallant gentleman-the warm friend-the upright and capable officer-who, in this his home and neighborhood, will withhold from him their good wishes and stout support in this constest? > Nov. 5, 1853 > > Labarre won the election in the first primary with 51% of the vote and a particulary strong Carrollton majority. > > > > Helen Kendrick > >

Saint Tammany Public Library] Covington, La. Book: De La Barre - Life of a French Creole Family in Louisiana by William D. Reeves-1980 Section Titled: Leaders in Jefferson Parish Pascalis Labarre, plantation manager, sheriff of Jefferson Parish, member of the Pickwick Club (Times-Democrat, September 11, 1892) (includes a hand drawn picture of Labarre) After brief service as deputy sheriff, in August 1853, Pascalis announced his candidacy for sheriff, running against the Democrat, James C. Fanning and independent, P. H. DeGRUY. The Carrollton Star came out strongly for Pascalis. Labarre and DeGRUY will come into the arena more gallantly and agreeably mounted. It will be a beautiful sight to see the manner in which they will each manage his popular and mettlesome charger. Each will have his hosts of admiring applauders and anxious backers. For ourselves, we, in this single instance, are fain to throw aside our usual guise of neutrality, and openly proclaim our partiality and our preference of Labarre. The gallant gentleman-the warm friend-the upright and capable officer-who, in this his home and neighborhood, will withhold from him their good wishes and stout support in this constest? Nov. 5, 1853 Labarre won the election in the first primary with 51% of the vote and a particulary strong Carrollton majority. Helen Kendrick

Helen, Thanks for including the allied family Bel. That is one of the families I have been tracking for quite some time now. Jacque Emile (listd below) was the grandfather of Clara Bel, who married Raoul deGruy (my great-grandfather.) Another intertwining branch. Celine -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [DEGRUY] ANOSR Vol 18 - part II Archdiocese of New Orleans Sacramental Records Volume 18- 1828-1829 Part II page 26 BEAUDIER Victor (Juan Victor, native of Morlaix, dept. of Finistere in France, resident of this city, and Leondia DUFOUCHARD DEGRUYS, native and resident of this city), b. Mar. 8, 1828, bn. Jan. 6, 1827, pgp. Nicolas BEAUDIER and Maria Simon DESFORGES, mgp. Antonio DUFOUCHARD DEGRUYS and Josephina GUERIN, s. Joseph VERLOIN DEGRUYS and Maria Celina DUFOUCHARD DEGRUYS Saint Louis Cathedral, B38, pg 129 page 27 BEL Jacques Emile (Antoine, native of Savoy, and Marie Azelie BOUTE, native of Attakapas in this state, [both] residents of this city), b. Nov. 20, 1828, bn. Sept. 3, 1828, in this city, pgp. Antoine BEL, dec., and Jeanne PA[N?]ISET, dec., mgp. Jean Baptiste BOUTE, dec., and Marie Louise LEMEL, dec., s. Joseph GIROD and Marie Ezilda BEL, infant's sister Saint Louis Cathedral, B340, p 12 page 49 BOUTTE [@BOUTE] Felicite Armantine (Philippe and Delphine VERLOIN DEGRUY [both] residents of Jefferson Parish in this state), b. Nov. 29, 1829, bn. Oct. 24, 1828, pgp. Jean Baptiste BOUTE, dec. and Marie Louise LEMELLE, mgp. Joseph VERLOIN DEGRUY and Marie Anne COUTURIER, dec., s. Joseph VERLOIN DEGRUY, fils, and Felicite FOUCHE Saint Louis Cathedral, B40, p 109 Julie (Francois Tisaferme and Ulalie ST. PE), b. May 5, 1829, bn. Jan. 20, 1827, pgp. Jean Baptiste BOUTTE and Marie Louise LEMEL, mgp. Pierre ST. PE and Marie VERLOIN, s. Antoine MONDELLI and Julie VERLOIN [ed. note: listed as one engtry with sister, Marie Saint Louis Cathedral, B40, p 58 Marie (Francois Tisaferme and Ulalie ST. PE), b. May 5, 1829, bn. Nov. 2, 1822, pgp. Jean Baptiste BOUTTE, and Marie Louise LEMEL, mgp. Pierre ST. PE and Marie VERLOIN, s. Pierre ST. PE and Celeste ST. PE [ed. note: listed as one entry with sister, Julie] Saint Louis Cathedral, B40, p 58 page 70 CASTAREDE Anne Marie Pamela (Jean Marie and Henriette DUFOUCHER DEGRUYS), native and resident of this parish m. Etienne Marafrete [@Malafrate] LAYSSART, Feb. 27, 1828 [marginal note: related in the second and third degrees of consanguinity] Saint Louis Cathedral, M7, p 114 Marie Elizabeth Tennely (Jean Marie and Henriette DUFOUCHARD DEGRUYS), minor, resident of this parish m. Francois Floretin SAUTON, Nov. 26, 1828 Saint Louis Cathedral, M7, p 130 page 75 CHAPERON Joseph (Joseph, dec. and Anne BOUQUOI, native of this parish, resident of Plaquemines Parish in this state, widower in first marriage of [o] ROUSSEAU, widower in second marriage of Melicerte DUFOUCHARD m. Delphine LATOUR, Nov. [4?], 1828, w. Etienne Bernard DUFOUCHARD DEGRUY, Felicien LATOUR, Anselme BAYHI, and Jacaques POUPPART Saint Louis Cathedral, M7, p 128 page 153 FAZENDE [@FAZANDE, MOLIERE FAZENDE, MORIERE FAZENDE] Alix Aglazier (Jule and Marie Virginie VERLOIN DEGRUYS, [both] natives and residents of Jefferson Parish in this state), b. Jul. 6, 1828, in Jefferson Parish, bn. Apr. 19, 1828, in Jefferson Parish, pgp. Sebastien Moliere FAZENDE, dec. and Alix LE BRETTON, dec., mgp. Joseph VERLOIN DEGRUYS and Eloise SAULET, s. Joseph VERLOIN DEGRUYS and Alix LE BRETTON D'ORGENOY Saint Louis Cathedral, B39, p 194 page 236 LATOUR Delphine (Pierre, resident of Plaquemines, and Jeanne CAREL, dec.), native of this parish, resident of Plaquemines Parish, m. Joseph CHAPERON, Nov. [4?], 1828 Saint Louis Cathedral, M7, p 128 page 241 LAYSSART [@MARAFRETE LAYSSART] Etienne Marafrete [@Malafrate] [Etienne Bollon, dec., and Claire LA[*]RT, dec.), native and resident of Rapides Parish in this state, m. Anne Marie Pamela CASTAREDE, Feb. 27, 1828, w. Jean Baptiste HENAN, Rene LE MONNIER, Joseph BROWN, and Leandre LACOSTA [marginal note: related in the second and third degres of consanguinity] Saint Louis Cathedral, M7, p 114 Marie Josephine Henriette (Etienne, native and resident of Rapides Parish in this state, and Anne Marie Pamela CASTAREDE, native of this parish) b. Mar. 2, 1829, bn. Jan. 22, 1829, in this city, pgp. Etienne Bo[ss/ll]on LAYSSART, dec., and Claire LACOU[X/R], dec., mgp. Jean Marie CASTAREDE and Marie Joseph Henriette DUFOUCHARD DEGRUYS, s. [Jean Marie CASTAREDE], infant's maternal grandfather, and [Marie Joseph Henriette DUFOUCHARD DEGRUYS], infant's maternal grandmother Saint Louis Cathedral, B40, p 38 page 359 ST. AMAND [@ST. AMANT] Hortanza Leonida (Miguel and Leonida DEGRUYS, [both] natives and residents of this city), b. Feb. 22, 1828, bn. Oct. 5, 1823, pgp. Miguel ST. AMAND and Francisca ZERINGUE, mgp. Joseph VERLOIN DEGRUYS and Mariana COUTURIER, s. Onesime ST. AMAND and Eliza ZERINGUE Saint Louis Cathedral, B38, p 123 Luis Murville (Miguel and Leonida DEGRUYS [both] natives and residents of this city), b. Feb. 22, 1828, bn. Feb. 2, 1826, pgp. Miguel ST. AMAND and Francisca ZERINGUE, mgp. Joseph VERLOIN DEGRUYS and Mariana COUTURIER, s. Ursino ST. AMAND and Cesaire ST. AMAND Saint Louis Cathedral, B38, p 123 Murville (Michel and Leonide VERLOIN DEGRUYS), 4 yr., i. Sep. 9, 1829, d. [o] Saint Louis Cathedral, F15, p 74 i-interred page 365 - 366 SAUTON Francois Florentin (Michel and Marie SAUTON), native of Leon [Lyon, dept. of Rhone?] in France, resident of this parish m. Marie Elizabeth Tennely CASTAREDE, Nov. 26, 1828, w. Jean Augustin Romain BRENGIER, Rene MONIER, Leandre LACOSTE, and E. B. DUFOUCHARD DEGRUYS Saint Louis Cathedral, M7, p 130 page 393 TRUDEAU Louis (J. Zenon and Celeste ST. PE), native of this city, bn. Apr. 20, 1819, i. Oct. 25, 1829, in the old St. Louis Parish cemetery, d. Oct. 24, 1829 Saint Louis Cathedral, F15, p 88 Helen Kendrick This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Archdiocese of New Orleans Sacramental Records Volume 18- 1828-1829 Part II page 26 BEAUDIER Victor (Juan Victor, native of Morlaix, dept. of Finistere in France, resident of this city, and Leondia DUFOUCHARD DEGRUYS, native and resident of this city), b. Mar. 8, 1828, bn. Jan. 6, 1827, pgp. Nicolas BEAUDIER and Maria Simon DESFORGES, mgp. Antonio DUFOUCHARD DEGRUYS and Josephina GUERIN, s. Joseph VERLOIN DEGRUYS and Maria Celina DUFOUCHARD DEGRUYS Saint Louis Cathedral, B38, pg 129 page 27 BEL Jacques Emile (Antoine, native of Savoy, and Marie Azelie BOUTE, native of Attakapas in this state, [both] residents of this city), b. Nov. 20, 1828, bn. Sept. 3, 1828, in this city, pgp. Antoine BEL, dec., and Jeanne PA[N?]ISET, dec., mgp. Jean Baptiste BOUTE, dec., and Marie Louise LEMEL, dec., s. Joseph GIROD and Marie Ezilda BEL, infant's sister Saint Louis Cathedral, B340, p 12 page 49 BOUTTE [@BOUTE] Felicite Armantine (Philippe and Delphine VERLOIN DEGRUY [both] residents of Jefferson Parish in this state), b. Nov. 29, 1829, bn. Oct. 24, 1828, pgp. Jean Baptiste BOUTE, dec. and Marie Louise LEMELLE, mgp. Joseph VERLOIN DEGRUY and Marie Anne COUTURIER, dec., s. Joseph VERLOIN DEGRUY, fils, and Felicite FOUCHE Saint Louis Cathedral, B40, p 109 Julie (Francois Tisaferme and Ulalie ST. PE), b. May 5, 1829, bn. Jan. 20, 1827, pgp. Jean Baptiste BOUTTE and Marie Louise LEMEL, mgp. Pierre ST. PE and Marie VERLOIN, s. Antoine MONDELLI and Julie VERLOIN [ed. note: listed as one engtry with sister, Marie Saint Louis Cathedral, B40, p 58 Marie (Francois Tisaferme and Ulalie ST. PE), b. May 5, 1829, bn. Nov. 2, 1822, pgp. Jean Baptiste BOUTTE, and Marie Louise LEMEL, mgp. Pierre ST. PE and Marie VERLOIN, s. Pierre ST. PE and Celeste ST. PE [ed. note: listed as one entry with sister, Julie] Saint Louis Cathedral, B40, p 58 page 70 CASTAREDE Anne Marie Pamela (Jean Marie and Henriette DUFOUCHER DEGRUYS), native and resident of this parish m. Etienne Marafrete [@Malafrate] LAYSSART, Feb. 27, 1828 [marginal note: related in the second and third degrees of consanguinity] Saint Louis Cathedral, M7, p 114 Marie Elizabeth Tennely (Jean Marie and Henriette DUFOUCHARD DEGRUYS), minor, resident of this parish m. Francois Floretin SAUTON, Nov. 26, 1828 Saint Louis Cathedral, M7, p 130 page 75 CHAPERON Joseph (Joseph, dec. and Anne BOUQUOI, native of this parish, resident of Plaquemines Parish in this state, widower in first marriage of [o] ROUSSEAU, widower in second marriage of Melicerte DUFOUCHARD m. Delphine LATOUR, Nov. [4?], 1828, w. Etienne Bernard DUFOUCHARD DEGRUY, Felicien LATOUR, Anselme BAYHI, and Jacaques POUPPART Saint Louis Cathedral, M7, p 128 page 153 FAZENDE [@FAZANDE, MOLIERE FAZENDE, MORIERE FAZENDE] Alix Aglazier (Jule and Marie Virginie VERLOIN DEGRUYS, [both] natives and residents of Jefferson Parish in this state), b. Jul. 6, 1828, in Jefferson Parish, bn. Apr. 19, 1828, in Jefferson Parish, pgp. Sebastien Moliere FAZENDE, dec. and Alix LE BRETTON, dec., mgp. Joseph VERLOIN DEGRUYS and Eloise SAULET, s. Joseph VERLOIN DEGRUYS and Alix LE BRETTON D'ORGENOY Saint Louis Cathedral, B39, p 194 page 236 LATOUR Delphine (Pierre, resident of Plaquemines, and Jeanne CAREL, dec.), native of this parish, resident of Plaquemines Parish, m. Joseph CHAPERON, Nov. [4?], 1828 Saint Louis Cathedral, M7, p 128 page 241 LAYSSART [@MARAFRETE LAYSSART] Etienne Marafrete [@Malafrate] [Etienne Bollon, dec., and Claire LA[*]RT, dec.), native and resident of Rapides Parish in this state, m. Anne Marie Pamela CASTAREDE, Feb. 27, 1828, w. Jean Baptiste HENAN, Rene LE MONNIER, Joseph BROWN, and Leandre LACOSTA [marginal note: related in the second and third degres of consanguinity] Saint Louis Cathedral, M7, p 114 Marie Josephine Henriette (Etienne, native and resident of Rapides Parish in this state, and Anne Marie Pamela CASTAREDE, native of this parish) b. Mar. 2, 1829, bn. Jan. 22, 1829, in this city, pgp. Etienne Bo[ss/ll]on LAYSSART, dec., and Claire LACOU[X/R], dec., mgp. Jean Marie CASTAREDE and Marie Joseph Henriette DUFOUCHARD DEGRUYS, s. [Jean Marie CASTAREDE], infant's maternal grandfather, and [Marie Joseph Henriette DUFOUCHARD DEGRUYS], infant's maternal grandmother Saint Louis Cathedral, B40, p 38 page 359 ST. AMAND [@ST. AMANT] Hortanza Leonida (Miguel and Leonida DEGRUYS, [both] natives and residents of this city), b. Feb. 22, 1828, bn. Oct. 5, 1823, pgp. Miguel ST. AMAND and Francisca ZERINGUE, mgp. Joseph VERLOIN DEGRUYS and Mariana COUTURIER, s. Onesime ST. AMAND and Eliza ZERINGUE Saint Louis Cathedral, B38, p 123 Luis Murville (Miguel and Leonida DEGRUYS [both] natives and residents of this city), b. Feb. 22, 1828, bn. Feb. 2, 1826, pgp. Miguel ST. AMAND and Francisca ZERINGUE, mgp. Joseph VERLOIN DEGRUYS and Mariana COUTURIER, s. Ursino ST. AMAND and Cesaire ST. AMAND Saint Louis Cathedral, B38, p 123 Murville (Michel and Leonide VERLOIN DEGRUYS), 4 yr., i. Sep. 9, 1829, d. [o] Saint Louis Cathedral, F15, p 74 i-interred page 365 - 366 SAUTON Francois Florentin (Michel and Marie SAUTON), native of Leon [Lyon, dept. of Rhone?] in France, resident of this parish m. Marie Elizabeth Tennely CASTAREDE, Nov. 26, 1828, w. Jean Augustin Romain BRENGIER, Rene MONIER, Leandre LACOSTE, and E. B. DUFOUCHARD DEGRUYS Saint Louis Cathedral, M7, p 130 page 393 TRUDEAU Louis (J. Zenon and Celeste ST. PE), native of this city, bn. Apr. 20, 1819, i. Oct. 25, 1829, in the old St. Louis Parish cemetery, d. Oct. 24, 1829 Saint Louis Cathedral, F15, p 88 Helen Kendrick

Archdiocese of New Orleans Sacramental Records Volume 17, 1826-1827-Part II page 40 and 41 BODIER Alexandre (Victor, native of Morle in France, resident of Placquemines Parish, and Leonide DUFOUCHARD DEGRUYS, native of this parish), b. May 21, 1826, bn. Jan. 6, 1825, pgp. Niccolas BORDIER and Simone DEFORGE, mgp. Antoine DUFOUCHARD DEGRUYS, dec. and Josephine LE BEAU, Widow GUERIN, s. [Niccolas BORDIER], child's paternal grandfather, absent, p. Etienne Bernard DUFOUCHARD DEGRUYS, and [Josephine LE BEAU], child's maternal grandmother. Saint Louis Cathedral, B36, 171 Note: correct spelling is Baudier Helen Kendrick

> BUT WHAT WAS IT ALL ABOUT ? (john betjeman, english poet) >WHO ARE WE ? >WHERE ARE WE FROM ? >WHERE DO WE GO ? (paul gauguin, french painter) >MASTER OF THE FRENCH +T R O P I C + S Y N D R O M E+ (fuel of my metaphysique) +THANKS LOU+, >it is really good to know that you and grandchildren are out there. >I AM VERY GRATEFUL FOR YOUR KIND & THOUGHTFUL COMMENTS. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >it strikes me that FOCUS on a subject one loves reveals layers of in depth information so dynamic that after >A WHILE IT BECOMES SO VIVID THAT ONE IS TRANSPORTED (image synergy) +INTO THE MIES EN SCENE+. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >imagination is by definition >THE MOVEMENT OF< +I M A G E S+ >study intently those maps photos, paintings and +GOOGLE EARTH IMAGES+ >it is also clear that our history is so complex that it posesses +AMAZING+ >SCENARIOS THAT EVEN FICTION IS HARD TO MATCH WITH ANY (no pun intended) +DEGREE OF BELIEVABILITY+. >the cast of persona revealed in our investigations are so impressive (relating to our blood) >THAT EVEN MY FRIEND RAY BRAD- BURY COULD NOT MATCH IT. (the great science fiction writer who was a fan of my early design work at s.d.s.u.. +LEONARDO DAVINCI+ >alone, boggles our mind as a living participant in our fantastic history. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >AND WHEN YOU INCLUDE THE +VARIOUS FRENCH COURTS+ (castles, romance, intrigue) +TROUBADOURS, KNIGHTS+ >KINGS AND "LADIES"< +CHATEAU MAGIQUE+ >>>throw in the various mysteries +A L C H E M Y+ of the templars, rennes le chateau and pastor berenger sauniere etc. >HISTORY BECOMES TRANSCENDENT< especially when the dimension of >ART GALVENISES OUR ABILITY TO SEE IN A PROFOUND & 4 DIMENSIONAL WAY. >i always cherish the observation of tielhard de chardin the great +FRENCH JESUIT PRIEST+ (who said) +AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL+ (of reality) +ONLY THE FANTASTIC IS POSSIBLE+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >this comprehension has fueled my life in art, poetry and architecture >INDEED I AM CERTAIN THAT DESPITE THE COMPELLING "NEED" FOR OUR ANCESTORS TO BE SO MILITENT (shining knights) >ART/POETRY WAS IMPORTANT (chansongs) >IN THE DRAMA OF THEIR +DANGEROUS LIVES+ +FRENCH COLONY+ >closer to home i am convinced that our 1st new orleans family architect +JEAN BAPTISTE VALENTIN deGRUY+ designed that round sugar house >AS A GESTURE TOWARD THE FAMILY TEMPLAR HISTORY. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >and when one explores the african dimension of the degruy history >IT IS ABSOLUTELY AT THE ZENITH OF ITS MAGIC. >THANKS AGAIN, LOU... gene (with warm flowing... >RAY+deGRUY BLOOD) -----Original Message----- From: Lou DeGruy III Sent: Sunday, February 1, 2009 12:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEGRUY] BRUNO NEEDED / kitty are you in the loop? IMPORTANT SOURCE are my messages being received ? MUCH VALUABLE INFO. SHARED +ESP. IN THE PAST FEW WEEKS+ Gene, Yes sir, great information. I love every word and its structure. What a great investigator, storyteller and puzzle solver of our past. Your emails alone would make volumes of historical facts in our quest for our ancestors. Thank you so much for your great insight and descriptions. In fact, I share a lot of your emails with my 2 Gran CrumGrabbers, grandsons. My other Gran CrumGrabbers, 8 grandaughters, are not interested in the historical significance of our ancestry at this point, unless we are related to Hanna Montana. God Bless, Lou DeGruy III -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eugene Ray Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:33 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [DEGRUY] BRUNO NEEDED / kitty are you in the loop? IMPORTANT SOURCE are my messages being recieved ? MUCH VALUABLE INFO. SHARED +ESP. IN THE PAST FEW WEEKS+ +APOCALYPTIC + INFORMATION+ (need to persue "bruno" source) >ARE YOU FELLOW GRUYERENS ABLE TO RECIEVE MY MESSAGES ? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >recently i shared my discovery of the +"BRUNO" WEBSITE + (bruno-b.htmi) (loaded w/ degruy related information). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >i asked for aid to get in touch with >COUSIN BRUNO< (dusiau de la croix/marigny >plus gruyere ties etc.) >THERE WAS NO RESPONSE< >are you there ? >can you read me ? +please let me know+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THANKS gene ray This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

+CHATEAU MAGNY FOUCHARD+ of the villeneuve, verloing, perry, pamplume & finally degruy.... >WAS LOCATED ACCORDING TO PROF. LE ROY OF THE COLLEGE OF FRANCE (i suspect he is one of us) +IS THE VERY HEART OF FRANCE ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ( google: "parc naturel regional foret d' orient", (in english) ************************** >in fact he suggests the forest of the orient just n. of the degruy chateau +IS THE "HEART OF THE HEART"+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >if you look carefully at your large scale +MICHELIN MAP OF CHAMPAGNE+ (templar central) >YOU WILL FIND THE "TEMPLE" IN THE >CENTER OF THE LARGE LAKE< >this temple is certainly in the heart of +KNIGHTS TEMPLER COUNTRY+ (aube, champagne) >the counts of champagne, brienne and luxembourg led the way to > ENSURE THAT HISTORY< +CRUSADER FAMILIES ENCOURAGED+ BY THE LYRICAL POEMS OF THEIR GREAT (languages of the north & south) >TROUVIER IN "d'OIL" (north) >TROUBADOUR IN "OC" (south) >(chretian de troyes and hughe de payens troubadour and knights templar >LEADERS IN THEIR FIELDS< were both born in >T R O Y E S< >TOOK THEIR RELIGOUS/SHROUD/ TEMPLAR PASSION VERY +S E R I O U S L Y+ ^^^^^^^^^^ >just to the south of this aube country in burgundy near the la roche/virgy >CASTLE & CHAPEL WHERE THE HOLY SHROUD WAS BROUGHT >AFTER LIREY/BEFORE TURIN< >are two ancient villages of +VE ZELAY and AVAILON+ (english influence) >HERE YOU COULD VENERATE THE HEAD OF SAINT LAZERUS OR (entire body) +MARY MAGDELENE+ (until they moved her body leaving only a few assorted fragments) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >THIS IS SERIOUS RELIGEOUS FOCUS COUNTRY & ALLOWS US TO FEEL (the intense regional) +TEMPLAR/SHROUD PASSION+. +T R O Y E S+ >pronounced >"twa"< (3) >is of course the capitol of the region A GREAT ROMAN CROSSROADS W/ 1000 1/2 TIMBER HOUSES >in 878 the french king "louis the statesman" was crowned there >IN 1417 THE DUKE OF BURGUNDY +JOHN THE FEARLESS+ >WANTED TO MAKE TROYES THE (almost sucessful) +CAPITOL OF FRANCE+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >this was, in addition to the trade fairs >THE GREATEST ENVIRONMENT FOR (french artistic expression) >TROUBADOUR POEMS & SONGS (played on lutes) >ROMANTIC LOVE THRIVED IN (lyrical passion) > THIS REGION WHERE THE GREAT TROUBADOUR ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +CHRETIEN de TROYES+ >created 2130 songs< >THESE SONG/POEMS WERE CREATED by the nobility for the nobility and we can ret assured that our own >VALENTIN VERLOIN deGRUY WERE ARDENT VIRTUOSI. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >come huns, vikings, black death, (PILLAGE, RAPE, DISEASE) >100 year war, saracens etc,... +ROMANTIC LOVE WON OUT+ and finally >JOAN OF ARC SAVED THE DAY< >DEGAULLE SAVED THE DAY< (domremy, her village, and colombey his, are not +far from magny fouchard+) gene ray, san diego, california

Gene, Yes sir, great information. I love every word and its structure. What a great investigator, storyteller and puzzle solver of our past. Your emails alone would make volumes of historical facts in our quest for our ancestors. Thank you so much for your great insight and descriptions. In fact, I share a lot of your emails with my 2 Gran CrumGrabbers, grandsons. My other Gran CrumGrabbers, 8 grandaughters, are not interested in the historical significance of our ancestry at this point, unless we are related to Hanna Montana. God Bless, Lou DeGruy III -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eugene Ray Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:33 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [DEGRUY] BRUNO NEEDED / kitty are you in the loop? IMPORTANT SOURCE are my messages being recieved ? MUCH VALUABLE INFO. SHARED +ESP. IN THE PAST FEW WEEKS+ +APOCALYPTIC + INFORMATION+ (need to persue "bruno" source) >ARE YOU FELLOW GRUYERENS ABLE TO RECIEVE MY MESSAGES ? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >recently i shared my discovery of the +"BRUNO" WEBSITE + (bruno-b.htmi) (loaded w/ degruy related information). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >i asked for aid to get in touch with >COUSIN BRUNO< (dusiau de la croix/marigny >plus gruyere ties etc.) >THERE WAS NO RESPONSE< >are you there ? >can you read me ? +please let me know+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THANKS gene ray This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well, I'm glad to hear that the fort will be reopened. I'm still bummed that during my recent visit, the fort was closed & Renee was out of town. Who know when I'll ever get back there. In any event, my friend & II had a great time visiting St Louis and the art exhibit was first class. ~Bonnie