TO, garic (nikki) barranger neal and lorraine pendleton +JUNGLE PLANTATIONS/RUINS+ new orleans/french west indies +MARCH 2009 EXPEDITION+ +HELLO NEAL, LORRAINE AND NIKKI+, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >marianne and i are looking forward to seeing you on march 13 at the >HISTORIC NEW ORLEANS C O L L E C T I O N ^^^^^^^^^^^ >john lawrence has just sent an e-mail inviting us to the HNOC that morn i hope at 9am, although they open at 10, am inquiring about that. >HE SHALL HAVE DAKIN DOCUMENTA (architect for the cavaroc house and the old state capitol, baton rouge) >AND CAVAROC DOCUMENTA. +(lets not forget charles cavaroc's leROY MOTHER RELATED TO deGRUYS AND ROY ALCIA- TORRE OF ANTOINE'S >R E S T A U R A N T<. >(they also figure in the invention of the sazerac and ramos gin fizz , famous n.o. drinks.) >I JUST RECIEVED AN E-MAIL FROM THE AMERICAN SUGAR REFINERY REGARDING CAVAROC HOUSE VIEWING THAT AFTERNOON. >they are considering my offer to trade the use of my very old photo of the house for the ability to view the interior. >IF POSSIBLE I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEARCH FOR THE LOST deGRUY/ BACHEMIN KINGS LAND GRANT PLANTATION NEAR ENGLISH TURN ON THE EAST BANK. >NEAR THE CHOUACHAS CONCESSION >NEXT TO SAUCIER PLANTATION (the site should be documented >at tulane or at hnoc.) >SEE P 106,"ARCH. OF COLONIAL LA." BY SAMUEL WILSON. >this is the land grant that gilbert degruy worked so hard to regain in the 1950s +GARIC/SAUCIER/deGRUY/BACHEMIN+ the saga of the plaquemine parish deGRUY KING'S LAND GRANT +JUNGLE PLANTATION+. >please google the following to read messages that i wrote about this on october 15 and 16, 2007 >EUGENE RAY / DUCOTEAU SAUCIER< google this and you will find that... +A SYNCHRONISTIC STORY+ +ducoteau saucier was the king's surveyor who surveyed the king louis 15 land grant to the degruy family in 1746, >lost by degruy bachemin heirs in 1935 for non payment of taxes. >(lawyer a.j. weysham argued, without success that taxes not required on KINGS LAND GRANTS >(my uncle lloyd (degruy) ray was a n.o. real estate lawyer and probably knew about this) >what about this nikki ? >WHAT INTRIGUES THIS STORY IS THAT OUR GARIC AND deGRUY ANCESTORS WERE INVOLVED +AND LATER CHARLES CAVAROC+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +CHALMETTE PLANTER+ >francois garic was married to armentine (GRANDSON OF J.B. GARIC, PIONEER N.O. NOTARY) >saucier daughter of ducateau saucier >FRANCOIS GARIC AND MY G. GRAND FATHER CHARLES CAVAROC WERE ASSOCIATED IN BUILDING THE MEXICAN GULF RAILROAD. >this pioneer railroad later known as the "shell beach road" ran through st. bernard parish where they both owned plantations. >ANOTHER BIT OF SYNCHRONICITY< is that my degruy g. grandfather +JAMES VELOIN deGRUY+ >died in the cavaroc plantation house of a heart attack while >WORKING AS AN OFFICER >OF THE AMERICAN SUGAR REFINERY ! >see you on march 13... ALL BEST gene

-----Original Message----- From: Eugene Ray Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:43 AM To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] Cc: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: MARCH 13 & 24 POTENTIALS IN NEW ORLEANS / cavaroc house / tulane seminar / h.n.o.c. seminar/ TEMPLAR-MASON architecture/ CHARLES DAKIN architecture and FRENCH WEST INDIES 18C arch. NEAL PENDLETON, architect/degruy fmly. LORRAINE PENDLETON, neal's wife JOHN LAWRENCE, historic n. o. collection BILL MENERAY, tulane univ. special coll. GENE CIZEK, tulane archt. historic preserv. JAY EDWARDS, la. state univ, anthropol. JOHN MESSINA, archt., univ. of arizona NIKKI BARRANGER, degruy/garic family RENEE HOTARD, degruy family coord. PATRICK STAUB, architect, ret. prof, l.s.u. MARY LYNN HYDE, tulane alumni coord. (please forgive the omission of your >MANY DISTINGUISHED TITLES) >RESEARCH / SEMINAR POTENTIALS NEW ORLEANS FIELD TRIP march 12, 13 and 23, 24 >2 0 0 9< +DEAR FRIENDS AND COLLEAGUES, >marianne, my wife and i shall be in the +CITY OF NEW ORLEANS+ >on the above dates. >i write to suggest potentials for research (tulane / hist. n. o. collection) >discussion/seminars into the following: >I SEEK YOUR PARTICIPATION AND SUGGESTIONS OF TOPICS OF YOUR INTEREST/EXPERTISE +POTENTIAL TOPICS+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ 1) CAVAROC PLANTATION HOUSE : >the american sugar refinery is restoring my g. grandfather;s chalmette plantation house have written to me seeking >photographs, info. etc. +POSSIBLE FIELD TRIP+ >historic preservation is gene cizic, john messina and jay edwards +PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE+ (louisiana hist. arch.) >PERHAPS YOU MAY LIKE TO SEE THIS HOUSE IF THEY WILL ALLOW ENTRY ON +march 13 at 3 p.m.+ >I HAVE ASKED TO PHOTOGRAH THE HOUSE INTERIOR IN >EXCHANGE FOR AN EXELLENT (centennial loan) >HISTORIC PHOTO. I OWN. >they are seeking professional advice on the work if you +ARE INTERESTED+ >my suggestion is to meet at the NAPOLEON HOUSE FOR LUNCH (or your suggestion) >AT 12 NOON AND CARPOOL TO THE HOUSE AFTERWARD. >it is believed the dakin brothers were the architects for the cavaroc house. (review of h.n.o.c. dakin docu.) >2) WHICH PROVIDES SEMINAR TOPIC AT THE H.N.O.C. IN THE MORNING OF MARCH 13 AT 10 A. M. (john lawrence allowing) +CAVAROC/BRULATOUR+ >another potential for discussion is that the h.n.o.c. is restoring the CAVAROC TOWNHOUSE AT 550 ROYAL STREET 3) FRENCH WEST INDIES ARCHITECTURE (especially plantation houses) 4) TEMPLAR/MASONIC INFLUENCE ON HISTORICAL ARCHITECTURE (degruy round sugar mill) 5) KING LOUIS XV LAND GRANT, 1764 TO (near jesuit bend/chouchas conces) >deGRUY HEIRS, SAUCIER SURVEYER the grant was held until 1935 by >degruy related bachemin fmly. NOTE: BILL MENERAY/JOHN LAWRENCE : >francois saucier the king's surveyer had his 18C. plantation next to this joseph dusseau de la croix KINGS LAND GRANT (de la croix had married the degruy widow to become head of family.) (seeking exact location etc.) >ANTOINE JEAN BAPTISTE VALENTIN VERLOIN deGRUY HEIRS RECIEVED +THE ORIGINAL LAND GRANT+ >potential topics at tulane university for a seminar on march 24 when marianne and i return from THE FRENCH WEST INDIES >I SEEK YOUR COOPERATION >PARTICIPATION AND >SUGGESTIONS< +EVENING DINNER SCHEDULE+ i have asked degruy cousins garic (nikki) barranger and neal and lorraine pendleton for suggestions for evening dining venues. +MARCH 13 AND MARCH 24+ >marianne and i shall dine at antoines (CAVAROC FAMILY ANCESTOR) >on march 12 and commanders on +7 P.M. (CALL FOR RES)+ >march 23 all are invited with no host dining orientation). >THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTEREST >AND YOUR PARTICIPATION. (please send your thoughts) ALL BEST REGARDS gene ray

+R O U G E M O N T+ >the rougemont family website provides +HOLY SHROUD OF JESUS+ >valuable degruy/devergy information. >THAT GETS TO THE HEART OF THE VALENTIN VERLOIN deGRUY(ERE) (count guillaume, 1080) >KNIGHTS TEMPLAR ORIENTATION BASED ON THEIR 1ST CRUSADE (saint nicholas church) >HISTORY & CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROUGEMONT MONESTARY. (const. near gruyere, 1080) +GRAIL/SHROUD PASSION+ >in my estimation this placed the VALENTIN VERLOIN deGRUY family at magny fouchard and the french courts, versailles, amboise etc, in the thick of +HOLY GRAIL SEARCH+ >the lirey shroud ownership by the ROUGEMONT/CHARNEY/VERGY combined family has strong +degruy/savoy history connection+. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +HUMBERT de ROUGEMONT+ >de VILLERSEXEL >COUNT DE LA ROCHE >LORD OF ST. HIPPOLYTE >wed the de charney/devirgy heir +TO THE SACRED SHROUD+ >and removed it from lirey church TO HIS ST. HIPPOLYTE CHURCH. at montigny-montfort near near (REMEMBER OUR DUMONT- >du MONTIGNY) >his famous castle at montbard. +IN BURGUNDY+ (ostensibly to protect it from the advancing english army.) >LATER TO SELL IT TO COUNT LOUIS ( degruy relatives ) >deSAVOY FOR TWO CASTLES. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >the rosicrucian connection of this history is found in rougemont +MASONIC SYMBOLS+ >family data and in the ring owned by david perrin. +R E ME M B E R+ >the rougemont de la roche ancestor +OTHON de LA ROCHE+ (latin duke of athens) >(intermarried w/ de ray family) >in coordination with degruy neighbor +COUNT de BRIENE+ (king of jerusalem) >HAD SENT THE HOLY SHROUD FROM ITS CONSTANTINOPLE TREASURE TROVE >1208 a.d.< >TO HIS FATHER PONS de LA ROCHE WHO GAVE IT TO ARCHBISHOP (just n. of champagnole) +OF BESANCON+ +subsequent history+ 1) 1314 A TEMPLAR INQUISITION (caused much secrecy) 2) 1349, BESENCON CATHEDRAL FIRE (shroud miraculously survives is taken up to champagne.) 3) 1356, GEOFFREY de CHARNEY (II) crusade/templar knight married to gruyere/virgy ancestor +JEANNE de VIRGY+ >who was grand niece of >OTHON de LA ROCHE) >(typical of shroud mafia blood >connected family devotees) >de CHARNEY, FRANCE'S GREATEST KNIGHT WOULD RAISE THE HOLY (he secured vatican/pope construction approval >SHROUD OVER HIS HEAD IN THE RELIGOUS CEREMONIES AT +L I R E Y + C H A P E L+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >(he was killed protecting the king at the batle of agincourt and ironically it was a french king WHO BURNT GEOFFREY de (jacques demolay also) >CHARNEY ( I ) @ THE STAKE. >after his death, his devirgy widow then married humbert de rougemont de villersexel de la roche to secure +HOLY SHROUD PROTECTION+ (in the castle at montbard and st. hippolyte chapel.) gene ray, san diego, california

Don't know it. It's not exactly up my alley in fiction, but the author was born in Louisiana. See _http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/m/patricia-maxwell/_ (http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/m/patricia-maxwell/) . Matt In a message dated 2/16/2009 8:38:13 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Does anyone know /The Storm and the Splendor/ by Jennifer Blake? A character named "de Gruys" appears in this novel. Just came across it while searching World Vital Records. Curious, Renee **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe bemailfooterNO62)

Does anyone know /The Storm and the Splendor/ by Jennifer Blake? A character named "de Gruys" appears in this novel. Just came across it while searching World Vital Records. Curious, Renee

>THANKS RENEE, FOR HUXELLE /CORMATIN INFORMATION. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >this is certainly a fascinating family lead for you and as i said earlier... +THE CHATEAU IS MAGNIFICENT+ ! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >although we wont have time to go that far south, i do have a book (SHALL SHARE) >in french, of recipes regarding burgundy and cormatin is nicely represented. +PIERRE HUXELLE deGRUY+ >it would be good if you could trace how the very noble huxelle was included in name p.h. degruy. >TO "COGNESCENTI" THIS NAME POSESSED A LOT OF CLOUT. (and the degruys loved it) >my friend jacques gruyer lives in champagnole, france, east of (WEST OF GRUYERE) >cormatin. i shall seek advice from him regarding the burgundy/jura region. >I AM PLANNING TO FOCUS ON THE CHAMPAGNE REGION CLOSER TO MAGNY FOUCHARD. >southeast of cormatin is bourg-en- +B R E S S E+ >source of my own g.g. grandmother +CATHERINE BRESS(E) RAY+ (family) >whose ancestor synchronistically became the duke of savoy who (shroud devotee) >WAS THE GRANDFATHER OF FRENCH KING FRANCOIS 1st >(blood brother of our own +michael de gruyere+) >A HISTORY DYNAMIC THAT IS +T R A N S C E N D E N T+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >thanks for bruno's address, but i have already communicated w/o any response.... i believe that he is in france and out of touch. >I SHALL TRY AGAIN LATER.... all best gene

(talisman as agent of paradise) >5 EUROPEAN KINGS WANTED TO BE ( access to the holy relics) >KING OF JERUSALEM... THE DUKE OF BRIENNE PREVAILED. >the french kings were fascinated with the MAGIC in champagne and burgundy....holy grail legends lighted their +eternal hopes+ +BOURBONS DRANK ONLY+ (louis xiv etc.) +C H A M P A G N E+ >as beer drinkers go wild at mardi gras in new orleans let us recall the french kings they revere >DRANK ONLY THE ELIXER +FROM CHAMPAGNE+ (a monk's alchemy) >+"LEGENDS OF THE HOLY GRAIL"+< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >we must remember it was the great +CHRETIEN de TROYES+ champagne poet of france >WHO WROTE THE LEGENDS OF +THE HOLY GRAIL+ >(sung daily by the allied knights of champagne and burgundy) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +HOLY SHROUD OF JESUS+ connection to +VALENTIN VERLOIN deGRUY+ >expanded data< +1)"ORDER OF THE COLLAR" : as we know was given by the dukes of SAVOY to the COUNTS OF GRUYERE (relatives of the savoy)... i have just discovered >THIS SAME RARE "ORDER" WAS GIVEN TO GEOFFROY de CHARNEY AND HUMBERT de VILLERSEXEL BOTH (marguerite de virgy's 1st and 2nd husbands) >WHO AT DIFFERENT TIMES +"OWNED" THE SHROUD+. >we recall that the devirgy were the family of the last count michael de gruyere's +M O T H E R+ >THE "ORDER" WAS GIVEN BY LOUIS deSAVOY WHO TRADED TWO (varenbon & mirabel) >CASTLES TO ACQUIRE THE +HOLY SHROUD+ 2) one of the families listed as members (large and powerful) >OF THE HOLY GRAIL/SHROUD P R O T E C T O R S ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >is that of the counts of gruyere early family by marriage... +"G R A N D S O N"+ (swiss power family) >notice the grandson castle/town near gruyere on the map of +S W I T Z E R L A N D+ >mrs reginald de koven writes about the degruy/grandson connection extensivly in her book +THE COUNTS OF GRUYERE+ (see degruy family site) +MILITARY POWER FAMILIES+ 3) in addition to the devirgy, decharney, deSAVOY/deGRUYERE and grandson connections new data reveals +BRIENNE, JOINVILLE, LUXEMBOURG+ +AND CHOISEUL+ >power families with historical degruy family association +TO BE DEEPLY INVOLVED+ (holy land connections) (south of magny fouchard) >IN SEPTEMBER OUR OBJECTIVE IS TO PHOTOGRAPH THE CHURCHES AT LIREY AND MONFORT WHERE (champagne/burgundy) >THE HOLY SHROUD WAS HELD decharney and devillersexel chevelier protectors. +OUR deGRUY(ERE) VISION+ >there are hundreds of books about (conferences weekly) >the holy shroud plus websites i (13 YR. OLD WEBSITE) >consult on a daily basis. >AT THIS POINT WE HAVE ACQUIRED A BETTER PERSPECTIVE OF THE PRE-TURIN HISTORY +by focusing+ >ON CHAMPAGNE/BURGUNDY (all degruy associated) >CRUSADE/TEMPLAR FAMILIES. >the holy shroud now called "of turin" shall be shown again in 2010, (not 2009) it will be interesting to see >IF ITS CHAMPAGNE/BURGUNDY ORIGINAL LOCUS HISTORY WILL (family history also) >WILL BE BROUGHT TO THE WORLD'S ATTENTION. gene ray, san diego, california

>A SPECIAL REVELATION OF OUR TIE TO THE MEROVINGIAN KINGS.. SYNERGETIC W/ +OUR M. DAGOBERT+ >note: for some, iluminated by >the radiance of jesus.) +V A L E N T I N+ ( as in valentin verloin degruy ) >THE VALENTIN IS PROUDLY PLACED (merovingian roots) >UP FRONT IN FIRST POSITION. >it is the most prestigious, ancient noble french of our family roots +V E R M A N D O I S+ >is the root family of the valentin +MEROVINGIAN EARLS+ >(a tie with marguerite dagobert the knights templar and the +VALOIS KINGS+ >(king francois 1st and michael de gruyere) >CHARLEMAGNE WAS THE GREAT KING OF THE VERMANDOIS. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >king pepin 1st of vermandois was (GENEALOGICAL GOLD) +descended from charlemagne+ >MUCH PRIDE FOR NEW ORLEANS (our ancestors knew this) >VALENTIN VERLOIN deGRUY >the castles of the vermandois earls were northwest of reims 1) SAINT QUENTIN 2) PERONINE (st. quentin, the major castle is +CASTLES/TOWNS+ >between "roye" and "guise") +HERBERT IV+ (1077) >the last count of the vermandois RECEIVED THE VALOIS COUNTY THROUGH HIS VALOIS WIFE. >his son was disinherited but his sister's husband took over +HUGH THE GREAT+ (brother of french king philip l) +BECAME A LEADER OF THE FIRST+ (knights templar roots) +CRUSADE ALONGSIDE OF OUR+ +COUNT OF GRUYERE+ (very important to our >history in france) >to be continued.... +HAPPY VALENTINE'S DAY+ gene ray, san diego, california

>HELLO RENEE, >[email protected] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is shannon's e-mail >DID YOU SEE MY RESPONSE ? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >I SEEK OTHERS CLOSER TO HER deGRUY BRANCH. gene -----Original Message----- From: listadministratordegruyl Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 6:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [DEGRUY] Shannon's request Has anyone invited Shannon to the discussion list or to our Degruy web site? I would do this but there is no email address below. So perhaps someone else can do this. R > -----Original Message----- > From: Shannon Strange > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 11:44 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Antoine DuFouchard Verloin De Gruy > > I have been researching my family tree for a while now and I cam > across several of your post on rootsweb.com concerning an Antoine > DuFouchard Verloin De Gruy. I believe I am the descendent of a > Antoine DuFouchard Verloin De Gruy and a Marie Josephine Eitephanie De > Mole Guerin. They had a daughter by the name of Leonide Josephine De > Fouchard Verloin de Gruy. I was wondering if you had any more > information concerning Antoine DuFouchard Verloin De Gruy so that I > may discover if in fact he is one of my ancestors? > > Thank you in advance. > > Sincerely, > > Michael "Shannon" Strange > > > > > > This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

-----Original Message----- From: Eugene Ray Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:21 AM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: CAVAROC PLANTATION HOUSE / an important monument of the NEW ORLEANS CREOLE HISTORY my rare historic vintage photos., documenta and reminiscences. >DEAR STEPHEN WOODWARD, american sugar refinery NEW ORLEANS >i am pleased to recieve your invitation to aid you find photographs of the CAVAROC PLANTATION HOUSE as part of your centenial. >I DO OWN AN EXTREMLY VALUABLE (spectacular, if restored) >19TH CENTURY PHOTOGRAPH OF THE CAVAROC HOUSE WITH MY (heloise lamothe cavaroc) >GREAT GRANDMOTHER AND (cora cavaroc) >HER SISTER-IN-LAW IN FRONT OF THEIR PRECIOUS HOME. >i also own other photographs and documenta relating to the +CHARLES CAVAROC FAMILY+ (my great grandfather) >that might aid your centenial. >IN EXCHANGE I HAVE SOME REQUESTS WHICH ARE IMPORTANT FROM OUR >FAMILIE'S POINT OF VIEW. (i shall only lend photos.) 1) i shall recieve copyright for the photographs and documenta and credit for ownership. 2) no publiction/exibition of the (cavaroc documenta) >photographs without my prior review and approval. 3) the american sugar refinery is to pay the cost of restoring (usually nominal) >the vintage photographs. 4) i shall be given access to the house interior for viewing and photos. next month while we are in the city of new orleans. >I DO ALSO POSESS KNOWLEDGE OF THE CAVAROC FAMILY & HOUSE THAT COULD AID YOUR +C E N T E N I A L+ >(my grandmother amalie cavaroc staigg grew up in the house and >shared family history with me.) >THE CAVAROC HISTORY IS >IMPORTANT TO NEW ORLEANS ( lamothe, leroy, pitot, viosca lanusse, lelong, etc. etc. ) >MULTI FAMILY CREOLE HISTORY. >(are you aware of fascinating family >legends regarding the house and other important cavaroc vieux carre properties relating to a profound new orleans >multi-creole history ? >THE CAVAROC PLANTATION HOUSE >IS A NATIONAL HISTORICAL >ARCHITECTURAL MONUMENT. >all restoration should be >true to its historical vintage appearance. >MARCH VISITATION< >on march 12th and 13th my wife and i shall be at the montelone (VIEUX CARRE) >hotel enroute to the french west indies (martinique) >IF YOU AGREE TO MY REQUESTS I SHALL BRING THE PHOTOS & DOCUMENTA WITH ME. >(and share my knowledge via >e-mail communication.) sincerely eugene ray m.f.a., architect professor emeritus san diego state univ. +NO CULTURAL SECRECY+ note: all of my correspondence is shared with others... i donot believe in cultural secrecy. +CAVAROC LEGACY+ >my ancestors lived and died in the cavaroc plantation house it is an essential part of our time on this earth and is a very +POIGNANT+ >tie to our history. >leROY NOBILITY< >we have a cavaroc cousin who is writing a book on the history of the leroy family. (the mother of charles cavaroc) >AN AMAZING HISTORY<,

Has anyone invited Shannon to the discussion list or to our Degruy web site? I would do this but there is no email address below. So perhaps someone else can do this. R > -----Original Message----- > From: Shannon Strange > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 11:44 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Antoine DuFouchard Verloin De Gruy > > I have been researching my family tree for a while now and I cam > across several of your post on rootsweb.com concerning an Antoine > DuFouchard Verloin De Gruy. I believe I am the descendent of a > Antoine DuFouchard Verloin De Gruy and a Marie Josephine Eitephanie De > Mole Guerin. They had a daughter by the name of Leonide Josephine De > Fouchard Verloin de Gruy. I was wondering if you had any more > information concerning Antoine DuFouchard Verloin De Gruy so that I > may discover if in fact he is one of my ancestors? > > Thank you in advance. > > Sincerely, > > Michael "Shannon" Strange > > > > > >

>NOTE: THOSE OF YOU CLOSER TO THIS BRANCH SHOULD RESPOND. >i am very interested in the +DEMOLE = deMOLE+ +F A M I L Y+ (as in demole-guerin) >JACQUES DEMOLE WAS A VERY IMPORTANT TEMPLAR LEADER. (google for information) +deMOLE / de CHARNEY+ >jacques demole was burnt at the stake with decharney in the 13 century during the templar +I N Q U I S I T I O N+ >THE deCHARNEY INTRMARRIED WITH deVIRGY FIGURE IN de GRUYER HISTORY. >original french exhibitors of the holy shroud at lirey later sold TO SAVOY RELATIVES >becoming the shroud of turin< gene ray >see below< -----Original Message----- From: Shannon Strange Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 11:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Antoine DuFouchard Verloin De Gruy I have been researching my family tree for a while now and I cam across several of your post on rootsweb.com concerning an Antoine DuFouchard Verloin De Gruy. I believe I am the descendent of a Antoine DuFouchard Verloin De Gruy and a Marie Josephine Eitephanie De Mole Guerin. They had a daughter by the name of Leonide Josephine De Fouchard Verloin de Gruy. I was wondering if you had any more information concerning Antoine DuFouchard Verloin De Gruy so that I may discover if in fact he is one of my ancestors? Thank you in advance. Sincerely, Michael "Shannon" Strange

-----Original Message----- From: Eugene Ray Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:58 AM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: +URGENT APPEAL / +SAVE OUR PRECIOUS HISTORY / ARCHIVE: in memory of sam wilson, clarence john laughlin, john lawrence and MANY OTHER FRIENDS OF MINE WHO LOVED OUR RADIANT AND UNMATCHABLE GULF HERITAGE ! +MS. DALE ATKINS > new orleans notorial +A R C H I V E S ^^^^^^^^^ +DEAR MS. ATKINS, ****************** >there is no doubt that you represent the single most important archive in (a world class treasure) >THE UNITED STATES TO SCHOLARS OF AMERICA'S MOST IMPORTANT (rich tropic aesthetic) >REGION AS IT RELATES TO OUR FRENCH/SPANISH/AFRICAN ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >UNIQUE, TRANSCENDENT +H I S T O R Y+ ^^^^^^^^^^ >that resulted in the most unique and profound architecture in +THE UNITED STATES+ >agreed by international scholars< +W O R L D + W I D E+ ******************** +THE NEW ORLEANS NOTORIAL+ +ARCHIVE MUST BE SAVED+ +AND NURTURED FOR+ +OUR FUTURE.+ >i speak for my great grand father john ray who revised the statutes for the +STATE OF LOUISIANA+ >and for my great grandfather francois verloin degruy whose great grand father built the unique round >SUGAR MILL SKETCHED BY LATROBE AND FAMOUS +IN PARIS & LONDON+ >and for my great grandfather charles cavaroc whose chalmette plantation home is being restored by the +AMERICAN SUGAR REFINERY+ >and whose vieux carre townhouse is being restored by the great +HISTORIC NEW ORLEANS+ +C O L L E C T I O N+ >and whose place of business in the vieux carre, exchange place and >designed by dakin, architect for the louisiana state capitol... (charles cavaroc and sons) >THIS RARE CAST-IRON FACADE BUILDING RENDERING FOUND IN >YOUR ARCHIVE< HAS BEEN (new orleans architecture) >WIDELY PUBLISHED BY +SAMUEL WILSON+ (premier scholar) >and for my grandfather george staigg who as a new orleans cotton broker researched the cotton-gin history >IN YOUR PRECIOUS ARCHIVE >essay published in >NEWPORT, RHODE ISLAND >and for all of my old new orleans professional friends & scholars... >ALL YOUR DEVOTED PATRONS... 1) +JOHN LAWRENCE , dean of the tulane architecture school who +INSPIRED MY LIFE & WORK+ 2) +CLARENCE JOHN LAUGHLIN, americas greatest photographer +OF OUR UNIQUE HERITAGE+ 3) +SAMUEL WILSON, greatest and most enlightened historian of +OUR UNIQUE ARCHITECTURE+ >my uncle lloyd (degruy) ray, real estate lawyer who used your +PRECIOUS ARCHIVE DAILY+ >THE ARCHIVE YOU PROTECT AND NURTURE IS SECOND TO NONE. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >as it relates to america's most +U N I Q U E H E R I T A G E+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >please realise the world awaits your decision ! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >THANKYOU, SINCERELY.... ************************ +eugene ray, architect 1959-1996 >master of fine art, >tulane university 1969 >professor emeritus, head of arch./env.design >san diego state university 1969-1996 >professor, tulane univ. 1967-1969 >professor, la, state univ 1965-1967

>CAVAROC PLANTATION HOUSE / EUGENE RAY >(if you google this you will access several memoirs i have written ( 2006 - 2008 ) >about my great grandfather's (PIERRE) CHARLES CAVAROC >chalmette plantation house.) >SUNDAY I RECIEVED A REQUEST FOR A COPY OF EARLY PHOTOGRAPHS (which i do own) >of this house by domino sugar. ( AMERICAN SUGAR ) >important note / celine< +( THE CAVAROC PHOTOGRAPH I OWN IS A MAGNIFICENT HISTORICAL >19TH CENTURY DEPICTION ) >i am not pleased with the notice / disclaimer at the end of their request which states.... "unless you are the intended recipient you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone this message or attachments" +I DO NOT LIKE SECRETS+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >apparently, since i am the intended recipient of the request i can talk >about the contents. >BUT YOU CAN'T< >rediculous i say... i shall telephone them in new orleans and hope >to clear up this matter. >IF YOU READ MY MESSAGES ABOUT THE CAVAROC HOUSE YOU SHALL (cavaroc/lamothe) >FIND THAT I FREELY SHARED FAMILY SECRETS THAT MAY >PROVE VALUABLE< >an important aspect of the cavaroc history is their relation to the +le ROY and deGRUY+ >families via intermarriage in +FRANCE & LOUISIANA+ >CHARLES CAVAROC'S MOTHER WAS A le ROY AND HIS WIFE HELOISE WAS A LAMOTHE W/ A deGRUY TIE. >(angela baudier is buried in the tomb of heloise lamothe cavaroc because her grt. grndmother was lamothe.) >J.A. BAUDIER'S MOTHER WAS MARIE VERLOIN deGRUY gene ray, san diego, california

+NOBLE NAMES = NOBLE DEEDS+ or it is not nobility was the +ORIGINAL CONCEPT+ >kings were leaders, like charlemagne, >filled with light, grace, and wisdom. +"R O Y A L S"+ >is the magazine, i have written about, published in belgium, devoted to +E U R O P E A N + R O Y A L T Y+ that allows one to realise that many of the descendents of +NOBILITY ARE VERY MUCH+ +ALIVE, ACTIVE & VITAL+. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >regardless if they have lost their +RECORDS ARE IMPORTANT+ >throne or not records are kept.. +BIRTHS, CHRISTENINGS, DEATHS & PARTICULARLY MARRIAGES ARE IMPORTANT AFFAIRS >with much celebration< +THIS TRADITION IS VITAL TO+ (especially post disaster) +A POSITIVE PUBLIC SPIRIT+ (all citizens share this >RICH OR POOR) +NEW ORLEANS ROYALTY+ (mardi gras celebration) >last night marianne and i attended the TULANE ALUMNI MARDI GRAS DINNER here in san diego and are reminded >THE FASCINATION IN NEW ORLEANS WITH FRENCH REGAL TRADITION. >(this, please understand, does not mean it is deserving such >respect in every instance) +THE BEST OF NOBLE TRADITION IS A SYNERGY OF HONOR EARNED BY PUBLIC & FAMILY SERVICE. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >the counts of gruyere during the early golden years protected and >nurtured their people in many +CIVIL/MILITARY/SPIRITUAL+ +AND CULTURAL WAYS+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +LITCHENSTEIN & MONACO+ >are like gruyere was, >principalities< that have earned the public trust and support with much mutual +SHARED SENSE OF PRIDE+ +MORE GRIMALDI-deGRUY(ERE)+ +SHARED INTERELATIONSHIPS+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 6) MONTMORENCY : louis de gand de merode de montmorency married marguerite-camille grimaldi in 1720 >(the montmorency were of course "next door" neighbors to the >verloin degruy chateau) >POWERFUL MILITARY AND CIVIC LEADERS UNDER LOUIS XIV (vendeuvre sur barse) >& LOUS XV WITH MANY CASTLES & CHATEAU. 7)CHOISEUL-STAINVILLE : francoise- therese de choiseul-stainville who married joseph honore grimaldi in 1782 was guillotined in 1794. >( I HAVE WRITTEN ABOUT THE (french colonies force) >CHOISEUL-deGRUYERE TIE IN RECENT MESSAGES.) >the choiseul-stainville chateau in lorraine n. of magny fouchard is now +A MAGNIFICENT CASTLE HOTEL+ (google for photographs) >NOTE: it is not accidental that princess >caroline of monaco was friend to +JEAN PIERRE AUMONT+ >the famous french film star. +IN 1777 MONACO PRINCE HONORE IV+ +MARRIED LOUISE FELICITE d'AUMONT+ (birds of a feather syndrome) gene ray, san diego, california

Response from Clerk of Ct, Dale Atkins ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale N. Atkins To: Sally Gilmore Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 5:33 PM Subject: RE: Notarial Archives Research Center Thank you for your e-mail and your concern. I am fighting to keep the NA open by seeking other sources of revenue such as State, City and federal funds. I am also looking at expenditures to cut anything that we don't need and get better prices from vendors. I will not make any decisions without gathering information and suggestions on funding. I will also continue to keep the public informed and will not make any decisions without input from the public. DNA -----Original Message----- From: Sally Gilmore [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 5:24 PM To: Dale N. Atkins Subject: Notarial Archives Research Center Ms. Atkins: Please do not close the Notarial Archives Research Center and let us know how individuals can aid in keeping it open. We have lost so much of our culture already, we can't lose any more. I realize tough decisions need to be made in these hard times, but we all need to fight to keep the Center open. Thank you for your consideration Sally S. Gilmore Metairie, LA 888-3740

+FOREST d' ORIENT+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >study your largescale michelin map (MICHELIN 313:F-3 to H-4) >of champagne and you will find +MAGNY FOUCHARD THE+ +VERLOIN deGRUY CHATEAU+ (perry etc.) AND OTHER deGRUY RELATED (bossancourt etc.) >CHATEAUX RINGED THE HUGE (24,711 acres) +KNIGHTS TEMPLAR OWNED+ (knights d'orient) +FOREST d' ORIENT+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >FRENCH REGIONAL PARK< +i discovered this corroboration to my earlier conclusion of this TEMPLAR FOREST LOCATION (east of troyes) >BY READING DATA IN THE LATEST MICHELIN "GREEN" GUIDE TO (2007) +ALCASCE LORRAINE+ +CHAMPAGNE+ (page 193) >i also invested in the burgundy/ jura michelin green guide and shall report discoveries. >THESE GUIDES SHALL BE EXTREMLY VALUABLE TO OUR deGRUY PILGRIMAGE/RESEARCH IN SEPTEMBER. >the forest d'orient was once part of a vast ancient french forest +"THE FOREST"+ >stretching from st. dizier in the northeast to pays d'othe in the southwest. >THE 2 TEMPLAR / HOLY SHROUD RELIGOUS/MILITARY/POLITICAL (vendeuvre/brienne) >POWER CASTLES ARE STILL ON THE PARK RING. >i have recently written much about the counts of brienne (king of jerusalem) and luxumbourg (crusades driven) +TEMPLAR / SHROUD TIE+ (with the degruy regional >associated families) +LOS ANGELES FIELD TRIP+ >our field trip to los angeles was as always an enriching experience... +A HIGH POINT WAS A LECTURE ON ABRAHAM LINCOLN THAT BROUGHT >the memory of john ray, my great grandfather, a lincoln friend and (SKILLED ORATORS) >louisiana legislator who voted (1 of 7 legislators) to free the slaves in louisiana. >(IT IS A MIRICLE THAT JOHN RAY (catherine debresse spouse) WAS NOT ALSO ASSASINATED) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +GRIMALDI / deGRUY CONNECTION+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >i found a book in los angeles with a history of the grimaldi family that +CONTAINS THE GRIMALDI+ +FAMILY TREE+ >filled with fascinating degruy +family ties and relationships+ 1)VILLENEUVE: 1501, blanche grimaldi married honore de villeneuve, baron de tourettes. 2) SAVOY: 1494, antoinette de savoy married jean ll, prince of monaco. their daughter marie, married +RENAUD de VILLENEUVE+ >baron de vence< 3) GENNES=GENES=GENOA, 1599 marie claude grimaldi became a carmelite nun in genoa. (remember) +CHARLOTTE de GENNES, 1550+ >princess of genoa married our JEAN II de PAMPLUME >prince of pamploma >seigneur de pothemont. 4) BAUX there were several grimaldi marriages w/ the children of the +COUNTS des BAUX+ >(albert, the present monaco prince is also the count des baux as well as the valentinois) +OUR VILLENEUVE WERE INTER+ +MARRIED W/ des BAUX+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 5) VALENTINOIS/SAINT SIMON : 1749 charles maurice grimaldi, count de VALENTINOIS chevalier de monaco +married marie de saint simon+ +important to us+ >THIS MARRIAGE WAS A DOUBLE+ +ATTRACTION TO THE VERLOIN+ (earlier verloin/st.simon) +deGRUY & RELATED FAMILIES+ +STILL LEFT IN EUROPE+. >there are more fascinating connections to come that illustrate the amazing relations of european nobility +our+ >PAMPLUME/GENNES >PAMPLUME/AULNAY >PAMPLUME/BOSSANCOURT and >VERLOING/SAINT SIMON >VERLOING/DAGOBERT >VERLOING/VILLENEUVE >VERLOING/PERRY >alone account for a +TRANSCENDENT SYNERGY+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ gene ray, san diego, california

Mornin' Got this this morning from Winston deVille.... Thought you might want to keep up with the latest: URGENT Again, you are called upon to support a campaign to preserve one of the major resources for Mississippi Valley (e.g.., French Illinois, Missouri, Arkansas, Indiana) for Gulf Coast (from the Rio Grande to Pensacola), for Louisiana historiography and genealogy. These documents relate not only to New Orleans, but to _*all*_ colonial posts and settlements. Whether you live in Louisiana _or_ _*not*_, whether you do research _or_ _*not*_, your help is urgently needed. Please, /please/, urge everyone in your purview - e.g., newspaper columns - to help, too. /Please,/ take time to read Sally Reeves' excellent report (below). Then, if you feel as strongly as I do about the issue, write a real-letter to Ms. Dale Atkins, Clerk of the Civil District Court New Orleans Notarial Archives 1340 Poydras Street New Orleans, Louisiana 70112 Real-letters are more effective than e-mails, but if you won't do otherwise, please, use Ms. Atkins' e-address: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Ms. Reeves' letter follows: Dear Everyone: I would like to thank all of you who have written to Dale Atkins expressing your support for the Notarial Archives Research Center, forwarded emails, and copied stuff to me. This is the latest as I understand it. First, the issue is the Notarial Archives Research Center (3^rd floor, Amoco Building) not the main office (5^th floor). The Research Center holds the 18^th , 19^th , and part of the 20^th century notarial volumes as well as the Plan Book collection. Not only the historical community but also the abstracting community uses it every day, because it has so many 20^th century volumes. There is no way that they can move the 20^th century volumes back up to the 5^th floor, since it is full there and the 5^th floor load capacity will not hold any more volumes than it already has. This is why the stacks are so spaced out up there. The case is different on the 3^rd floor (Research Center) where with miraculous luck, we were able back in 1998 to secure the corner of the building where Amoco had kept its exploration drawings; the floor load capacity there is 75 p/sf as opposed to everywhere else where it is 50 and under. This is why we were able to install the compact shelving there, allowing us to put all of the 18^th and 19^th century volume in one stacks area. It is an optimum situation for the records, low enough that hurricane and tornado winds can affect it only a little bit, and not too low for other hazards. During Hurricane Katrina, the building was both flooded and looted, but neither the flood waters nor the looters touched the area. There are three parts to the issue: 1. Preserving the collection 2. Preserving access to it IN New Orleans 3. Securing the jobs of the staff who were terribly demoralized the last time I was there (recently). Ms. Atkins will have the final say, but I think with the support those three parts have been receiving, she will know that there will be a huge outcry if she moves to close the Research Center. I have explained to her how it took blood, sweat, and tears to create that special part of the Archives, that it isn't a luxury to have it, but only what history and righteousness had demanded for decades, and that the nice surroundings we put in there were designed to change attitudes about the old records, showing people that we had respect for them and that the user should also. I also reminded her that the new legislation requires her to put monies aside for the historical records; and that the one Supreme Court case cited in Revised Statutes comments that the Louisiana State Supreme Court's decision was that clerks of court had to err on the side of giving the public access to records. I have received two very nice responses from Ms. Atkins, who appears to be very sensitive to the issues. I think she realizes or is beginning to realize the importance of the collection from all the mail she has been getting. She has asked to meet next week and talk about ways to keep the Research Center open. Also: I believe that Susan Finch of the /Times-Picayune/ will do an article on the issue very soon. For the past 149 years the Notarial Archives has been a cash cow, and it will be again. About 8 months ago, filings dropped off about 50%. Eleanor Farnsworth told me yesterday that the real estate community hit a low in sales from Hurricane Gustave through December, but that it has picked up and "always picks up right after Mardi Gras." So we may be at the darkest point before the dawn of additional filings. Usually the Notarial Archives gets business "on the way up" and also "on the way down," since foreclosures, tax liens, and second mortgages and the rest of the misery index all have to be filed as legal documents. We are advising Ms. Atkins not to do anything irreversible that will limit access or ruin the Research Center, but to hold on until things get better. In the mean time, "please keep those cards and letters coming." Thank you, Sally Reeves

Not sure if this is one of the Bienvenus connected with us, but it's interesting. If you haven't already, check out this website. From http://www.newspaperabstracts.com/link.php?action=detail&id=23808 <http://www.newspaperabstracts.com/link.php?action=detail&id=23808> La Sugar Bowl Contributed by JTrahanUSA Description: Fatal Duel Date: April 9 1874 Source: Special Collections, Hill Memorial Library, LSU, Baton Rouge, Louisiana Page/Column: P2/C4 Fatal Duel At 10 o'clock Saturday morning, Messrs A. B. PHILLIPS and Aristine BIENVENU, of this city, accompanied by Messrs. DeARMAS and DuBERTRAND on the part of the former, and by Mr. Chas. BIENVENU on the part of the latter, together with Dr. SCOTT, surgeon, and four or five friends of the parties, disembarked from the early Mobile train at Bay St. Louis, and retired to a convenient spot in the neighborhood for the purpose of arranging a misunderstanding then pending between them. The spot selected is what is well known as Nicholson Avenue, which led to the hotel of that name. The choice of positions having been won by Mr. PHILLIPS, the distance, forty paces, was measured off, and the weapons, shot-guns, loaded with ball, placed in the hands of the principals. At the word, both fired, Mr. PHILLIPS ball entering near the eye of Mr. BIENVENU, the gentleman falling and instantly expiring even before he was reached by his friends, the ball penetrating backward into the brain. Immediately after the unfortunate termination of the affair, the party returned to the city, reaching here on the 4 O'clock, P. M., train, the body being immediately removed to Dr. GRAYER's undertaking establishment, where it was prepared for Interment. The difficulty, which terminated thus tragically originated, it appears, in a law suit, which resulted in a challenge being sent by Mr. B., which was promptly responded to by Mr. PHILLIPS. All the gentlemen connected are well known in the city, Mr. BIENVENU being a broker, and Mr. PHILLIPS a lawyer of some prominence. It is not thought any action will be taken by the authorities in the premises, as the friends of Mr. BIENVENU express themselves satisfied that the affair was conducted in the most honorable and unexceptionable manner.--N. O. Picayune, 9th Submitted: 03/04/06 (Edited 03/12/06)

Dear Ms Atkins, It has come to my attention that NARC may have to close and those items would become inaccessible. These items are of great use to me and to members of the genealogy groups I am part of. This link to our histories is of huge value and used by a large number of people working in this field, even those of use who do not live in the New Orleans area. We make special trips to New Orleans to access this and NOPL. I would volunteer my services if I lived in the area, and would not mind an increase in the user feels. Many of us have done thousands of hours of transcribing of records and I am sure lots of us would be happy to help in that way if needed. Please let us (the ones who live out of state) know how we may help keep this precious resource available. Thanks for you consideration Jan B. Strickland Orlando, FL Researching ancestors located in New Orleans from about 1780 thru 1950's. Researching since 1992