Is this ours? 1935-05-30 Times Picayune; retrieved from Genealogy Bank Harvey - At her residence, 900 Arabella street, on Sunday, May 28, 1933, at 11:30 o’clock p.m.m in her 82nd year, Marie de Gruy, wife of the late Captain Henry A Harvey, Sr., mother of Mrs. J. H. Kammer, Mrs. Henry Bayhl of Jennings, La., Henry A. Harvey, Jr., Joseph Hale Harvey, Onezima Harvey, Mrs. Guy B Lawrason and Mrs. Frank Parker, a native of Jefferson parish, Louisiana, and a resident of New Orleans for the past 40 years. The relatives, friends and acquaintances of the family, also the employees of the New Orleans Public Service and the employees of the U. S. Engineers and the Texas Oil Co., are respectfully invited to attend the funeral which will take place Tuesday, May 30, 1933, at 10 o’clock a.m., form the funeral home of William Betz, 7611 Maple street. Services at St. Francis of Assisi church, State Street at 10:30 o’clock a.m. Interment in St. Louis cemetery No 2, St. Louis street, corner Claiborne avenue.

"NEW ORLEANS ARCHITECTURE" >volume vii< "JEFFERSON CITY" >schlesenger, cangelolsi , and reeves editors >PELICAN PUBLISHING CO. gretna, 2010 edition "EARLY HISTORY" by samuel wilson (chapter reference/ today' piece) gene

Begin forwarded message: > From: judy perrin-mahaffey <smileson@aol.com> > Date: June 17, 2010 6:06:42 PM EDT > > Subject: Louis Piot deLaunay > > http://www.notarialarchives.org/FrenchColonialGuide.pdf > > google

+NEW ORLEANS ARCHITECTURE+ volume iii, +"jefferson city"+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >arrived by mail yesterday and reveals +SOME VERY VALUABLE INFORMATION+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +COUTURIER PLANTATION+ (OCTOBER 1737) >as i have written previously was a huge +FORMER BIENVILLE+ >swath of uptown nola land straddling +NAPOLEON AVE. AT THE RIVER+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +FRENCH CROWN AGENT+ >francois joseph couturier (pierre's father) apparently was a king's representive w/ +THE FRENCH MARINE BUREAU+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +BIENVILLE'S PLANTATION+ >francois saucier who we know was the king's surveyor and dusseau-degruy +CHOUACHAS JUNGLE+ >plaquemine neighbor of the famous +ILL-FATED KING'S LAND GRANT+ >surveyed this land (1737) for bienville ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >(bienville had been ordered to +OUT OF FAVOR+ >dispose of his huge land grant) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +VOISIN PLANTATION+ >synchronistically, pierre voisin whose family we know from our research in +RENNES LE CHATEAU+ >as long involved knights templars (LATER PARIS) >had owned the adjacent land. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +THE COUTURIER PLANTATION+ >when surveyed, featured two houses a barn, a brick dovecote and the cabins for two african families. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +CROWN CONNECTIONS+ >the couturiers relative wealth gave them the means to expand this original indigo plantation. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +FOUCHER PLANTATION+ >nearby, helped form uptown new orleans all connected by the "king's highway" +NOW TCHOUPITOULAS STREET+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +MARIANNE COUTURIER+ >wed our joseph verloin degruy to form an important heritage for many of >us descendents of that union< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +COUTURIER'S @ MADISONVILLE+ >(later they settled in st tammany parish near degruy's madisonville plantation. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +ETIENNE ROY+ >related to the famed chauvin brothers owned the largest plantation house +BIENVILLE LAND GRANT+ +SEPTEMBER, 1723+ >in this uptown area before his death. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +LOUIS PIOT deLAUNAY+ >was another pioneer plantation owner along the "king's highway" as many different crops were tried such as +TOBACCO-RICE-INDIGO+ before debore's great success w/ +SUGAR CANE+ ^^^^^^^ +LIVAUDAIS PLANTATION+ >another degruy family link was very important between foucher and +CREOLE NOBILITY+ >couturier plantations and a +DELACHAISE BRICKWORKS+ >large brick works arose... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +ADJACENT TO FOUCHER STREET+ +AS LARGER PLANTATION HOUSES+ >sugar boom = great wealth< +WERE CONSTRUCTED+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +FAUBURG BOULIGNY+ >became the larget fauburg of the "jefferson city" as louis bouligny acquired the land of famed +GEN. WADE HAMPTON+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +HAMPTON-WASHINGTON LINK +W/ LAFAYETTE & PRINCE MURAT+ >reminding us of the thomas jefferson interest in old creole new orleans +WIFES CREOLE LINK+ >bolstered by general lafayette< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +WHO WAS GRANTED NOLA+ +CREOLE PROPERTY+ ^^^^^^^^^^^ gene ray, san diego, california

Thanks. There are a bunch of New Orleans Architecture books out there and it helps to know which is the one you are mentioning. Our own cousin, Mary Lou Christovich, has been intimately involved in many of these. R Eugene Ray wrote: > "NEW ORLEANS ARCHITECTURE" > >volume vii< > "JEFFERSON CITY" > >schlesenger, cangelolsi , and > reeves editors > > >PELICAN PUBLISHING CO. > gretna, 2010 edition > > "EARLY HISTORY" by samuel wilson > (chapter reference/ today' piece) > > gene > > >

Bonnie and I were e-chatting about the pros and cons of posting family legends on the internet because of the dangers of perpetuating myths without proper documentation, and she replied with this most intelligent response which she has given me permission to post. So I am very happy to share her comments with you: I was researching through a couple of books and found the following excerpts helpful when daunted by the task of authentically interpreting family history, especially the value of traditional family accounts. Arnold Hermann writes in his book, To Think Like God: Pythagoras and Parmenides, that [P31] "to present a reliable account of Pythagoras' life, death, and the ... revolts, is an almost impossible task. This is certainly not due to a lack of available testimony; on the contrary, we seem flooded with far too many versions of the same events. If we take only the circumstance of how Pythagoras' death relates to the uprisings, we are confronted with the following, often contradictory testimony: * Pythagoras was in Croton during the revolt. * No, he was not present because he foresaw the coming difficulties and managed to move quietly to Metapontum. * No, not only was he present, but he was inside a burning Pythagorean meetinghouse and just barely escaped. * No, he was not in the meetinghouse, but he was in Croton, where he fled to the harbor, subsequently traveling from city to city in desperate search for shelter, only to be turned away repeatedly.. * No, he went only as far as a field of beans, where he was caught. * No, he made it to Metapontum, but starved to death in the Temple of the Muses, beleaguered by his foes. * No, he refused to eat on purpose, being heartbroken over the terrible fate of his followers. * [P32] * No, that is not the way he died; he had his throat cut after being captured near the field of beans. * No, he was not even in Italy at that time, having journeyed abroad to take care of his old teacher, who was sill. * No, his teacher had passed away a long time ago, and Pythagoras had moved to Metapontum some twenty years before these difficulties emerged. * No, Pythagoras himself was long dead when all this transpired. * And so on. These conflicting versions have come to be called the "traditional account" of Pythagoras' fate--that is, traditional as opposed to historical. ... A traditional account need not differentiate between verifiable events, legend and lore, and the "improvements" by subsequent writers. It need only pass on whatever stories were typical at the time on a given subject, usually those individual anecdotes that were most memorable." According to Hermann [P34], there are six principal sources for the Pythagorean tradition. Three are from the 4th and 3rd centuries B.C. and the other three are much later and belong to the 2nd and 3rd centuries B.C.E. Hermann further states that [P36] "the reliability of all of these sources was compromised by the great time span that separated them from the actual events, a time span that even by the most optimistic estimates was still one and a half to two centuries; hence, we have no reason to believe that any of these authors were able to distinguish between actual history and what already [P37] had become accepted tradition. And if we have such difficulties with our earliest sources, one can imagine how hard it is to sort out the intricate accounts of our other group of biographers, who wrote some six centuries later ..." "Unfortunately, it is only the lack of better source material that has turned these often questionable accounts into authoritative works...." Hermann quotes Walter Burkert, Lore and Science in Ancient Pythagoreanism [P100, P117], "One is tempted to say that there is not a single detail in the life of Pythagoras that stands uncontradicted. It is possible, from a more or less critical selection of the data, to construct a plausible account; but it is bound to rest on shaky foundations, for no documentary evidence has appeared. ... No [ancient] author seems to use documentary evidence; everything depends on oral tradition. ..." In other words, oral traditions can be archived as just what they are, as traditions handed down from generation to generation, "usually those individual anecdotes that were most memorable." [Hermann. P32] On the other hand, a well documented and authentically interpreted historical account stands on its own merits. In his historical-critical account of Pythagoras, Hermann [P279] writes about how to transform raw data, remarks, bits of lore--info--to reliable knowledge. "The goal of the sequence is to establish or attain certainty. The sequence is subdivided into five sections, each one marking a specific state of affairs or phase of actions. The sequence begins with a sort of */first contact /*with our subject, in which we take notice or become aware of a piece of information--a bit of lore, for example. [Hermann refers to this sequence as */info /*stage] The accumulated data are then whittled down through various steps, such as from */possible/* to */probable/*, then further reduced to what can be */confirmed /*or authenticated, and lastly, the remainder may be classified as */certain./*" In other words, INFO > POSSIBLE > PROBABLE > CONFIRMED > CERTAINTY. Hermann elaborates on each one of the five sequences on pages 280-281. Then he goes through every piece of info known about Pythagoras and classifies each using his INFO to CERTAINTY sequence. ~Bonnie

May we please have the publication information, Gene, so we can properly source this material? Thanks Renee Eugene Ray wrote: > +NEW ORLEANS ARCHITECTURE+ > volume iii, +"jefferson city"+ > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >

Are these the two you are talking about..... a father and a son? Joseph Camilo Verloin DeGruy born 8 May 1824 [NOLA corner Erato and Bacchus Streets in 2nd municipality apt 13 Apr 1825 Died 24 Jun 1882 [have this record] married Leonide Junior: Joseph Camille born 29 Sep 1860 [we have this record] Miscellaneous entries Degruy, Joseph Camille -BC- 1864 DeGruy Camille - DC - 1896 DeGruyJosephCamille-DC-1883 We have this death record: DE GRUY - On Sunday, May 3, 1896, at 11 o'clock a.m. CAMILLE DE GRUY, aged 35 years, a native of this city. Friends and acquaintances of the family are respectfully invited to attend the funeral, which will take place from his late residence, 5316 Camp street near Valmont, This (Monday) Morning at 11 o'clock. New Orleans Public Library Daily Picayune Newspaper May 4, 1896 De Gruy Joseph Camil Joseph Camil Leonide Stamant M W 10/09/1860 34 588

>(responding to alphonse marmillion- clementine verloin degruy link) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +NORMAN MARMILLION PROVIDES+ a talented plantation presentation +AT LAURA PLANTATION+ (artistic, don't miss it) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ gene ray

>this message in from mary lynn hyde >regarding< +PHIL deGRUY NOLA CONCERT+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ gene -----Original Message----- From: Mary Lynn Hyde Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 1:52 PM To: Marianne - Eugene Ray, emradiant@sbcglobal.net Subject: Phil de Gruy concert at theOgden

+ROSICRUCIAN SYNCHRONICITY+ >santa clara / san jose california< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >it was very warm in santa clara where +DESERT WIND=RADIANT HEAT+ >our grandaughter graduated from college w/ a degree in science. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +ONE "CHANCE" IN MILLIONS+ >as we are enjoying a midday celebration +SAN JOSE CALIFORNIA+ >with good italian food & drink, francie >casually refers to an "egyptian museum" +LOCATED IN THE NEXT BLOCK+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >it turns out this "egyptian museum" is not only a fabulous collection of +EGYPTIAN ARTIFACTS OF+ +A FANTASTIC QUALITY+ >it is the american headquaters of the +ROSICRUCIAN ORDER+ >and the shades of our knights templar +GENETIC MEMORY+ >ancestors were very excited, indeed. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >not to speak of all our magical< +LIBRAIRE DU MERVIELLEUX+ >friends w/their egyptological secrets +ALCHEMICAL LABORATORIES+ >and nocturnal bubbling flasks of +ANCIENT FORMULAS+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >(did you ever wonder why the +CAVAROC-LAMOTHE+ >cocktail originated in nola.) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +NODIER'S ESOTERIC QUEST+ >the spirits of charles nodier and our +VICTOR HUGO-ADELE FOUCHER+ were w/ marianne and i as we ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +STUDIED ROSICRUCIAN BOOKS IN+ +THEIR VERY IMPRESSIVE SHOP+ (google : rosicrucian.org) ^^^^^^^^^^^^ +EGYPTIAN MAGIC SECRETS+ >did you see the fabulous history channel +ANCIENT ALIEN DOCUMENTARY+ >last night shown in another burst of +ROSICRUCIAN SYNCHRONICITY+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >gigantic multi-ton blocks of granite >CUT AND MOVED W/ IMPOSSIBLE +DEGREES OF EXACTITUDE+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >by a people who didn't >! know the wheel !< ^^^^^^^^^ +FEATS IMPOSSIBLE TODAY+ >with our technology< ?+AND FOR WHAT+? ^^^^^^^^^ >(some scientists believe egyptian +NICKOLA TESLA VISION+ (google for much info.) >pyramids were energy generators) +REF. TO U.F.O TECHNOLOGY+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +TWO RARE REFERENCES+ >(two valuable books acquired at the san jose rosicrucian headquaters) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 1) +ROSICRUCIAN HISTORY AND+ +MYSTERIES+ >by christian rebisse< ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >published by the supreme grand lodge of the ancient and mystical order +"ROSAE CRUCIS"+ ^^^^^^^^^ (gruyere reference) +ROUGEMONT MONASTERY+ >may we reflect on the ancient link of our gruyere-rougemont monastery built just after the first crusade by +GUILLAUME de GRUYERE+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >with its later connection to cistercian< +SAINT BERNARD OF CLAIRVAUX+ (and their printing presses) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >note: another synchronistic purchase on this trip was a biography of +"SAINT BERNARD of CLAIRVAUX"+ +"between cult and history"+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +ROUGEMONT-BURGUNDY+ >another "rose connection" rougemont france near besancon, locus of much +FREEMASON ACTIVITY+ >birthplace of hugo/foucher/nodier +NEAR deRAY SHROUD CASTLE+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2) +ARCADIA+ (studies in ancient wisdom series) +"THE ANCIENT EGYPTIAN MYSTERIES"+ >"arcadia and the arcadian academy"< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >(the life and times of francis bacon) by peter dawkins (google for information) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +GOOGLE HISTORY FOUND+ >(note : i bought a history of "google" >on this trip, a fascinating story) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +"ARCADIA" IS A BOOK THAT FRIEND RUSSELL DESMOND SHOULD +FEATURE IN HIS SHOP+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >a link connecting our gruy creole new orleans masonic heritage +GRAND ORIENT LODGE+ >w/ our gruy french history +MAGNY FOUCHARD+ >merovingians< +PARIS-VERSAILLES-GRUYERE+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +"TREME" UP FOR EMMY AWARD+ >full page add in los angeles times< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +TREME PLANTATION+ >you will recall i traced the nola treme district to m. treme from treme +SWITZERLAND+ >the small town near gruyere built originally by guillaume degruyere +AS A WATCH TOWER POST+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ gene ray, san diego, california

Mornin' Greg has sent us some wonderful files which came from Aida DeGruy. They have been uploaded to the website under the File Cabinet. They fill in many blank spaces in our history. Would be great to get a dialog going about the information contained therein. I think the chart he submitted is very similar to the one given me by David. David said his came from Gilbert. So, check it out when you have time. R PS A Big Thank You to Greg!

Another quotation mentions that money was left to take care of a [probably stained glass] window in the Church of Saint Antoine: window of the Saint-Antoine, where the family is buried. This window represents the Tree of Jesse and the Annunciation; and in it one could see the arms of VERLOING -------------------------------- Found at: http://dewerloing.chez.com/site09.htm "...in the chapel of Saint-Antoine, called the chapel of VERLOING."

I'm sure we could have a better translation; especially if we had a living human being who spoke French at our disposal; but, until someone shows up to volunteer, we'll have to make do with the following machine translation, understanding that there Will Be Errors. Nevertheless there are a lot of Clues here...like the chapel of Saint-Antoine, aka the Chapel of Verloing... can we find a photo perhaps? Go to original page to check out. Found at: http://dewerloing.chez.com/site09.htm French to English translation Show romanization VERLOING Jeanne, widow of Leonard THE PERRY, distinguished himself by his [Renee: should be "HER", not himself and his] piety, and every year on Holy Thursday, she was in the habit of giving dinner to 13 poor, in honor of Jesus Christ through the stage with its 12 apostles, and distribute them after dinner, each five pence in honor of the five wounds. In his will, that despite his extreme old age she could go even dictate it to a notary VANDOEUVRE on 17/07/1638. It recommends his soul to the Most Holy Trinity PARADIS, the most gracious Virgin Mary and all the blessed citizens of heaven. It provides in his family by taking a foundation on income of the old windmill, the perpetuated the dinner to 13 poor, the Great Absolute-Thursday and ordered further that it cooks the meal for eight bushels of messail distribute that same day, every poor person who will come to the door, a loaf when it adds a measure of beans with oil and salt needed to cook "The heirs who will handle the distribution of the alms will the large boiler, the large tripod, grill and skimmer "With Jeanne died on behalf of VERLOING???] [Renee: should it be" With Jeanne died the (surname) Verloing . It's Voulte her burial and the service of forty days and the end of the year, 12 wax torches should wear his coat and that the 12 poor would these torches should receive 5 cents each, to each of the three services sixteen messail bushels were distributed to poor and scrambled VAUX his subjects, and every Sunday of the year following his death, there was one offered bread and wine with a torch armoiriée. She also wanted to be buried beside her husband in the chapel of Saint-Antoine, called the chapel of VERLOING. She bequeathed the land produces sixteen newspapers at the expense of an annual service and maintenance of the window of the Saint-Antoine, depicting the Tree of Jesse and Anonciation and carrying weapons of VERLOING. She bequeathed especially a feather bed and pillow, all weighing about 40 pounds, Jeanne SERP, his great granddaughter, and his servant prope, 30 pounds and her mourning. French: Jeanne de VERLOING, veuve de Léonard LE PERRY, se distingua par sa piété ; chaque année, le Jeudi Saint elle était dans l'usage de donner à diner à 13 pauvres, en l'honneur de Jésus-Christ faisant la scéne avec ses 12 apôtres, et de leur distribuer après le diner, à chacun, cinq deniers en l'honneur des cinq plaies. Dans son testament, que malgré son extrème vieillesse elle put aller dicter elle même à un notaire de VANDOEUVRE le 17/07/1638. Elle recommande son âme à la très Sainte Trinité de PARADIS, à la très gracieuse Vierge Marie et à tous les bienheureux citadins des cieux. Elle assure dans sa famille, par une fondation prise sur le revenu du vieux moulin à vent, la perpétué du diner à 13 pauvres, le Grand Jeudi-Absolu et ordonne en outre que l'on cuise la farine de huit boisseaux de messail pour distribuer ce même jour, à chaque pauvre qui se présentera à la porte, une miche à laquelle on ajoutera une mesure de haricots, avec l'huile et le sel nécessaire pour les faire cuire "Celui des héritiers qui se chargera de la distribution de cette aumône aura la grande chaudière, le grand trépied, le gril et l'écumoir" Avec Jeanne s'éteignit le nom de VERLOING. Elle voult qu'a son enterrement et au service des quarante jours et du bout de l'an, 12 torches de cire portassent ses armoiries et que les 12 pauvres qui porteraient ces torches reçussent chacun 5 sous ; qu'à chacun des trois services seize boisseaux de messail fussent distribués aux pauvres de BROUILLEUX et des VAUX ses sujets, et que tous les dimanches de l'année qui suivrait son décès, il y eut une offerte de pain et de vin avec une torche armoiriée. Elle voulait aussi être inhumée près de son époux dans la chapelle de Saint-ANTOINE, dite la chapelle des VERLOING. Elle léguait à la fabrique seize journaux de terre, à la charge d'un service annuel et de l'entretien du vitrail de la chapelle Saint-ANTOINE, représentant l'arbre de JESSÉ et l'Anonciation et portant les armes de de VERLOING. Elle léguait en particulier un lit de plume et son traversin, le tout d'un poids d'environ 40 livres, à Jeanne de SERPES, son arrière petite-fille, et à sa prope servante, 30 livres et son deuil.

[This bounced back... not sure why. Sending again] Inventaire sommaire des Archives départementales anterieures à 1790 By Archives départementales de l'Aube, Alphonse Roserot, page 205 http://books.google.com/books?pg=PA205&lpg=PA205&dq=%22Edme+de+Gruy%22&sig=YPOQu2BxuI_c2XUAQ0FxuSmja_8&ei=rWMWTNfwFI3LnAfBoOiFDA&ct=result&id=cgE8AAAAMAAJ&ots=NP7TzZVQIO#v=onepage&q=%22Edme%20de%20Gruy%22&f=false <http://books.google.com/books?pg=PA205&lpg=PA205&dq=%22Edme+de+Gruy%22&sig=YPOQu2BxuI_c2XUAQ0FxuSmja_8&ei=rWMWTNfwFI3LnAfBoOiFDA&ct=result&id=cgE8AAAAMAAJ&ots=NP7TzZVQIO#v=onepage&q=%22Edme%20de%20Gruy%22&f=false> 1 551-16*9. --- Baronnie de Jaucourt. --- La Rotière. --- Terrier. --- Déclarations, par-devant notaires au bailliage de Jaucourt, de biens sis à La Rothière et chargés de rentes et censives dues aux seigneurs du lieu, savoir ; de 1569 à 1572 Marie de Clèves, marquise d'Isles, comtesse de Beaufort, baronne de Jaucourt ; en 1627 César duc de Vendême ct de Beaufort, baron de Jaucourt, Soulaines et Larzicourt (Marne). Parmi les déclarants on remarque: en 1551 et 1572 Anne-Antoinette d'Anneville, veuve de Laurent de Francières en son vivant seigneur do Conflans, Fresnay et Lévigny, ladite dame demeurant à Eclance ; en 1569 Nicolas Marchant, écuyer, sieur du Petit-Mesnil et Chaumesnil en partie, demeurant au Petit-Mesnil; en 1570 Charles de La Chaussée, chevalier de l'ordre du Roi, seigneur de La Chaussée, Arrêt et Freignières : en 1627 Charles de Creney, écuyer, Nicolas du Mesnil, François de Bossancourt, Edmonde de Bossancourt, veuve d'Edme de Gruy, et Jean d'Orbinot, tous seigneurs du Petit-Mesnil et de Chaumesnil. Google Translation Barony of Jaucourt. - The Rotière. - Terrier. - Declarations, before notaries to the Bailiwick of Jaucourt for property in La Rothiere and charged rents and quit rent due to the lords of the place, namely, from 1569 to 1572 of Mary of Cleves, Marchioness of Isles, Countess de Beaufort, Baroness Jaucourt; 1627 Caesar Duke of Vendome ct Beaufort, Baron Jaucourt Soulaines and Larzicourt (Marne). Among the reporters noticed it: in 1551 and 1572 Anne Anneville Antoinette, widow of Lawrence in his lifetime Francières lord do Conflans Fresnay and Lévigny Said lady residing in Eclance; 1569 Nicolas Marchant, Esquire, Sieur du Petit Mesnil and Chaumesnil in part, residing at the Petit-Mesnil, in 1570 Charles de La Chaussée, knight of the King, Lord of The Causeway, Stop and Freignières: in 1627 Charles de Creney, Esquire, Nicolas du Mesnil, Francis Bossancourt, Edmonde of Bossancourt, widow of Edme Gruys, and Jean Orbinot of all lords Petit-Mesnil and Chaumesnil. From:

You Betcha! Oh Good Grief! I thought I was responding to you at your personal address. Now the whole internet knows how old I am!!! :-[ (Serves me right for not checking before automatically hitting 'reply'). hahahahahaha] B. B. Wood wrote: > Of course you will Renee. I will have to come visit and have you give me > the tour. > > ~Bonnie >

Of course you will Renee. I will have to come visit and have you give me the tour. ~Bonnie On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Degruy List Administrator < listadministratordegruyl@earthlink.net> wrote: > A real birthday present for me when I reach 70 in 2012!!! Hope I live > long enough to see it!!! > > B. B. Wood wrote: > > Wow. ~Bonnie > > This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be > "fact." All data should be verified. > > Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEGRUY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be > "fact." All data should be verified. > Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEGRUY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

A real birthday present for me when I reach 70 in 2012!!! Hope I live long enough to see it!!! B. B. Wood wrote: > Wow. ~Bonnie > This is a "discussion" list. Individual messages cannot be assumed to be "fact." All data should be verified. > Be Generous. Share Your Family Research. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEGRUY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Wow. ~Bonnie

I'm so excited about this I can hardly contain myself!!! In today's news Renee -------------------- CHESTERFIELD — One of her ancestors fought alongside Daniel Boone in the Revolutionary War. Another was a famous Indian chief in New York in the 1600s. Yet another was a clockmaker from Switzerland who came to Baltimore in 1794. "I still have hopes that one of his clocks will be in a store somewhere," said Joyce Loving, an avid genealogist and the special-collections manager at St. Louis County Library headquarters in Ladue. Loving was put in charge of the library's genealogical records in 1998. Back then, her department consisted of a single desk on the library's fourth floor. Today, she oversees a staff of 12, and the department boasts more than 50,000 books, 850 periodicals and 18,000 rolls of microfilm. Parts of the collection are on each of the headquarters' five floors. But soon the collection will get a place of its own, the latest sign of how genealogy research has boomed in recent years. The St. Louis County Library Foundation is designing a 60,000-square-foot Family Heritage Center in Chesterfield at the corner of Wild Horse Creek and Baxter roads, with the goal of opening it in 2012. It will be one of just five free-standing genealogy libraries in the country. The others are in Houston, Independence, Mo., Boston and Salt Lake City, long considered the mecca of genealogical research. "We will be on a very short list," said Ann Fleming, treasurer of the St. Louis Genealogical Society. "It's a real coup." The foundation, a nonprofit that raises money for the library, started talking about plans for a new genealogy library a couple of years ago. The foundation approached Louis Sachs, of Sachs Properties, about buying six acres of his Downtown Chesterfield development. But the idea so enthralled Sachs that he donated the land for the center, said Kathy Higgins, president of Sachs Properties. Higgins said her boss, a longtime benefactor of the arts, has also sought to preserve the region's history, naming streets and developments after settlers such as Justus Post and August Hill. Because the center is still in the design phase, officials say they don't have precise cost estimates yet. Jim Bogart, the foundation's manager, said all of the money for the new library will be raised privately. The foundation began its fundraising effort earlier this month. It hopes to break ground on the Heritage Center sometime this year. Sachs Properties may contribute to the construction costs, Higgins said. "It was the perfect fit," Higgins said.