Betty, I bet that is it! Didn't think about that. This map is in KY but it is just as hilly. Teresa Ghee Elliott Need help with TMG sentences? Click here or go to http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rutherfordcemetery/TMG.html -----Original Message----- From: Betty [mailto:brfrain@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 10:16 PM To: DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DMU] What do you do when the plat doesn't close correctly Hi Teresa, My father was taught to survey as a young man and he kept his hand in all his life, although he did not work as a surveyor. One thing he always taught me was that because of the topography of the land, a survey NEVER has a zero degree of closure if the surveyor really does it properly. The more hills, or mountains, the larger the degree of closure. You would only have a perfect closure if the land is perfectly flat. Think about it. If you measure up and down hills and then try to put those measurements on a flat surface, they actually cover more ground than the outside measurement of the original would have covered. That is why, among other reasons, we have such fun fitting old plats onto our flat maps. Knowing you are probably trying to plat land in the hills of Tennessee, is your degree of closure really that bad? Does it go up and down the mountain? Betty Frain brfrain@comcast.net Researching Elgin, Dulin, Frain, Thrasher, Johnson, Hammerly, Thrift Elgin Genealogy: www.elgins.com A very happy TMG user and a proud member of RUG of Arlington, VA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teresa Ghee Elliott" <cheasa@BellSouth.net> To: <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:17 PM Subject: [DMU] What do you do when the plat doesn't close correctly | | | I have checked and double checked the coordinates and directions and the | plat does not close properly. I am assuming it was just recorded wrong. | How do other's handle these kinds of deed plats? | | | ============================== | To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: | http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 | | ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

A land surveyor measures the distance horizontally using a plumb bob, not sloping like the hill side side. ALL of the older surveys had some inherent error of closure. The error of closure was often due to human error, unsteady plumb bob, faulty angular measurement, incorrect recording, etc, although it could also be caused by incorrect chain lengths or an out of adjustment transit. There are formulas for calculating the error of closure and correcting them. If the error was not within allowable limits the survey should be re-done. Often however, in actual practice, many of the early day surveyors recorded the measurements as they found them and did not take the trouble to calculate the closure [or did not know how] That is why most of the older surveys and plats do not close correctly. If you need more information, any text book on beginning surveying will explain the procedures for adjusting the error of closure. Jim Slade ============================================ ---- Original Message ----- From: "Teresa Ghee Elliott" <cheasa@BellSouth.net> To: <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 10:24 AM Subject: RE: [DMU] What do you do when the plat doesn't close correctly > Betty, > I bet that is it! Didn't think about that. This map is in KY but it > is just as hilly. > > Teresa Ghee Elliott > Need help with TMG sentences? Click here or go to > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rutherfordcemetery/TMG.html > > -----Original Message----- > From: Betty [mailto:brfrain@comcast.net] > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 10:16 PM > To: DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DMU] What do you do when the plat doesn't close correctly > > Hi Teresa, > > My father was taught to survey as a young man and he kept his hand in > all > his life, although he did not work as a surveyor. One thing he always > taught > me was that because of the topography of the land, a survey NEVER has a > zero > degree of closure if the surveyor really does it properly. The more > hills, > or mountains, the larger the degree of closure. You would only have a > perfect closure if the land is perfectly flat. Think about it. If you > measure up and down hills and then try to put those measurements on a > flat > surface, they actually cover more ground than the outside measurement of > the > original would have covered. That is why, among other reasons, we have > such > fun fitting old plats onto our flat maps. Knowing you are probably > trying to > plat land in the hills of Tennessee, is your degree of closure really > that > bad? Does it go up and down the mountain? > > Betty Frain > brfrain@comcast.net > Researching Elgin, Dulin, Frain, Thrasher, Johnson, Hammerly, Thrift > > Elgin Genealogy: www.elgins.com > > A very happy TMG user and a proud member of RUG of Arlington, VA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Teresa Ghee Elliott" <cheasa@BellSouth.net> > To: <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:17 PM > Subject: [DMU] What do you do when the plat doesn't close correctly > > > | > | > | I have checked and double checked the coordinates and directions and > the > | plat does not close properly. I am assuming it was just recorded > wrong. > | How do other's handle these kinds of deed plats? > | > | > | ============================== > | To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > go to: > | http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > | > | > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >