Lee Hoffman expresses my sympathies - JoLee Spears At 08:43 PM 11/11/2002, you wrote: >Steve Broyles wrote: >>Someone has suggested we add scrollbars to the Plot View. I'm writing to >>see if others think this is a good idea. In the past we have considered >>adding scrollbars, but decided that we already have a good number of ways of >>navigating around, and the scrollbars would reduce the size of the plot view >>area. Please reply to deeds@rcn.com. Thanks. > >I agree that some viewing space would be lost with the addition of scroll >bars. However, with the capability of zooming in/out, that is not that >great a problem. In addition, many users are now using the larger screens >which more or less negate the loss of viewing space. Scroll bars are so >common today that everyone know how to use them. The arrow icon Toolbar >buttons are also easy and intuitive. But switching from a scroll-bar >equipped program to DM and back is a bit disconcerting in that I have to >re-think things. > > >Lee Hoffman/KY >TMG Tips: <http://www.tmgtips.com> >My website: <http://www.tmgtips.com/lhoffman> >A user of the best genealogy program, The Master Genealogist (TMG) > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I would love to have them when I am trying to exactly center an area for a print-out. I'm assuming that this is not a feature that can be turned on and off. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Broyles <steve.broyles@attbi.com> To: <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:31 PM Subject: [DMU] Navigation in Deedmapper > Someone has suggested we add scrollbars to the Plot View. I'm writing to > see if others think this is a good idea. In the past we have considered > adding scrollbars, but decided that we already have a good number of ways of > navigating around, and the scrollbars would reduce the size of the plot view > area. Please reply to deeds@rcn.com. Thanks. > > Steve Broyles > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Steve Broyles wrote: >Someone has suggested we add scrollbars to the Plot View. I'm writing to >see if others think this is a good idea. In the past we have considered >adding scrollbars, but decided that we already have a good number of ways of >navigating around, and the scrollbars would reduce the size of the plot view >area. Please reply to deeds@rcn.com. Thanks. I agree that some viewing space would be lost with the addition of scroll bars. However, with the capability of zooming in/out, that is not that great a problem. In addition, many users are now using the larger screens which more or less negate the loss of viewing space. Scroll bars are so common today that everyone know how to use them. The arrow icon Toolbar buttons are also easy and intuitive. But switching from a scroll-bar equipped program to DM and back is a bit disconcerting in that I have to re-think things. Lee Hoffman/KY TMG Tips: <http://www.tmgtips.com> My website: <http://www.tmgtips.com/lhoffman> A user of the best genealogy program, The Master Genealogist (TMG)

At 05:31 PM 11/11/02 -0500, you wrote: >Someone has suggested we add scrollbars to the Plot View. I'm writing to >see if others think this is a good idea. In the past we have considered >adding scrollbars, but decided that we already have a good number of ways of >navigating around, and the scrollbars would reduce the size of the plot view >area. Please reply to deeds@rcn.com. Thanks. > >Steve Broyles > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 Steve, Not a good idea if it would reduce the size of the plot view. Dale

Once one is familiar with the program scroll bars are not necessary. The arrow movement button is a bit counter-intuitive but once familiar with it works fine. However, considering that many people now have large screen monitors I think the scroll bar would not take up any critical area and would be easier to use for the new comers. Bill Doyle -----Original Message----- From: Steve Broyles [mailto:steve.broyles@attbi.com] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:31 PM To: DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [DMU] Navigation in Deedmapper Someone has suggested we add scrollbars to the Plot View. I'm writing to see if others think this is a good idea. In the past we have considered adding scrollbars, but decided that we already have a good number of ways of navigating around, and the scrollbars would reduce the size of the plot view area. Please reply to deeds@rcn.com. Thanks. Steve Broyles ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Someone has suggested we add scrollbars to the Plot View. I'm writing to see if others think this is a good idea. In the past we have considered adding scrollbars, but decided that we already have a good number of ways of navigating around, and the scrollbars would reduce the size of the plot view area. Please reply to deeds@rcn.com. Thanks. Steve Broyles

Steve Broyles: Thanks for the reply and the additional information. Using the criteria in your message quoted below, it appears that the discrepancies between the acreage show on the plats I am researching and the acreage generated by DeedMapper--as well as the closure errors I am getting--are within acceptable limits. It is reassuring to know that you will help with questions like mine. Leo Leonard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Broyles" <steve.broyles@attbi.com> To: <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [DMU] Units of Length GA Late 1700's > If the unit is poles rather than chains I'd expect the measured area to be > too large by a factor of 16. How far off is the area? If the area is only > a bit too large (say within 20 percent) then it is a normal kind of error. > > Closure errors of hundreds of feet are the norm on parcels of 100 acres. > With experience you'll be able to tell when a parcel truly has an error as > opposed to something less sinister. Transposed digits, confusion of digits, > and other clerical errors can lead to faulty plats. > > Steve Broyles > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leo Leonard" <platicando@worldnet.att.net> > To: <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 3:57 PM > Subject: [DMU] Units of Length GA Late 1700's > > > > DeedMapper Users: > > > > Thanks to those who have been willing to respond to my beginner questions. > > > > I am entering data into DeedMapper from microfilmed copies of plats made > in > > GA during the late 1700's. The lines on the plats are marked with a > heading > > and then a number presumably indicating distance, but there is no unit of > > length after this number. The scale is given for each plat > though--usually > > 20 chains per inch. So I am assuming that the unit of length used in > these > > plats is the "chain." The last two digits of these numbers seem to be > > separated from the rest by a small space, and in the plats I have looked > at > > so far they are always either 00 or 50. I assume that this two digit > number > > indicates "links." However, when I enter these distances as chains and > > links, while the plat generated by DeedMapper generally has the shape of > the > > plat on the microfilm, the ending point fails to close with the beginning. > > Another problem is that the measurement of area generated by DeedMapper is > > greater than that indicated on the plat. > > > > Can someone could tell me whether or not I am correct in assuming that the > > units of length used in these plats are probably "chains" and "links"? > > > > Thanks for any assistance. > > Leo Leonard > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

If the unit is poles rather than chains I'd expect the measured area to be too large by a factor of 16. How far off is the area? If the area is only a bit too large (say within 20 percent) then it is a normal kind of error. Closure errors of hundreds of feet are the norm on parcels of 100 acres. With experience you'll be able to tell when a parcel truly has an error as opposed to something less sinister. Transposed digits, confusion of digits, and other clerical errors can lead to faulty plats. Steve Broyles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leo Leonard" <platicando@worldnet.att.net> To: <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 3:57 PM Subject: [DMU] Units of Length GA Late 1700's > DeedMapper Users: > > Thanks to those who have been willing to respond to my beginner questions. > > I am entering data into DeedMapper from microfilmed copies of plats made in > GA during the late 1700's. The lines on the plats are marked with a heading > and then a number presumably indicating distance, but there is no unit of > length after this number. The scale is given for each plat though--usually > 20 chains per inch. So I am assuming that the unit of length used in these > plats is the "chain." The last two digits of these numbers seem to be > separated from the rest by a small space, and in the plats I have looked at > so far they are always either 00 or 50. I assume that this two digit number > indicates "links." However, when I enter these distances as chains and > links, while the plat generated by DeedMapper generally has the shape of the > plat on the microfilm, the ending point fails to close with the beginning. > Another problem is that the measurement of area generated by DeedMapper is > greater than that indicated on the plat. > > Can someone could tell me whether or not I am correct in assuming that the > units of length used in these plats are probably "chains" and "links"? > > Thanks for any assistance. > Leo Leonard > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

DeedMapper Users: Thanks to those who have been willing to respond to my beginner questions. I am entering data into DeedMapper from microfilmed copies of plats made in GA during the late 1700's. The lines on the plats are marked with a heading and then a number presumably indicating distance, but there is no unit of length after this number. The scale is given for each plat though--usually 20 chains per inch. So I am assuming that the unit of length used in these plats is the "chain." The last two digits of these numbers seem to be separated from the rest by a small space, and in the plats I have looked at so far they are always either 00 or 50. I assume that this two digit number indicates "links." However, when I enter these distances as chains and links, while the plat generated by DeedMapper generally has the shape of the plat on the microfilm, the ending point fails to close with the beginning. Another problem is that the measurement of area generated by DeedMapper is greater than that indicated on the plat. Can someone could tell me whether or not I am correct in assuming that the units of length used in these plats are probably "chains" and "links"? Thanks for any assistance. Leo Leonard

Have been told by an elderly land surveyor as we walked an old boundary line in Rutherford County. Two slash marks on a tree = line marks; three slash marks = a corner. You may wish to try that with your deed description and see what happens. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claire Schmidt" <cschmidt4@earthlink.net> To: <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [DMU] Help MBL 1778 GA Deed > Leo > > I am pretty heavy into nearby Wilkes County deeds from that period to 1830. Send me > the language you need (copy may not be needed), and I will do what I can. Deedmapper > website has links to wonderful helps. > > For others reading this: while in Salt Lake City this summer I ran into 3x or 2x at > some or all of the points. Several archivists were stumped, but one called somebody > "outside" who had a suggestion I heartily endorse: These indicate something perhaps > as simple as two or three x(s) cut on a tree, stump, post, two or three trees or > some pointers (spelled pinters in some places) in some form. Appreciate any input > from others. > > Claire > > > Leo Leonard wrote: > > > DeedMapper Users: > > > > I recently purchased DeedMapper software. However, I have encountered some > > metes and bounds language in the description of a tract in a 1778 Columbia > > Co., GA deed that I have not been able to reduce to a format which I can > > enter into DeedMapper. I would like to send a picture of the description in > > this deed to someone who would be willing to help. Any assistance would be > > greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Leo Leonard > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Leo I am pretty heavy into nearby Wilkes County deeds from that period to 1830. Send me the language you need (copy may not be needed), and I will do what I can. Deedmapper website has links to wonderful helps. For others reading this: while in Salt Lake City this summer I ran into 3x or 2x at some or all of the points. Several archivists were stumped, but one called somebody "outside" who had a suggestion I heartily endorse: These indicate something perhaps as simple as two or three x(s) cut on a tree, stump, post, two or three trees or some pointers (spelled pinters in some places) in some form. Appreciate any input from others. Claire Leo Leonard wrote: > DeedMapper Users: > > I recently purchased DeedMapper software. However, I have encountered some > metes and bounds language in the description of a tract in a 1778 Columbia > Co., GA deed that I have not been able to reduce to a format which I can > enter into DeedMapper. I would like to send a picture of the description in > this deed to someone who would be willing to help. Any assistance would be > greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Leo Leonard > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

DeedMapper Users: I recently purchased DeedMapper software. However, I have encountered some metes and bounds language in the description of a tract in a 1778 Columbia Co., GA deed that I have not been able to reduce to a format which I can enter into DeedMapper. I would like to send a picture of the description in this deed to someone who would be willing to help. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Leo Leonard

Thanks to Steve and all for the interpretation and calculation of "outs". Does anyone know the origin of the term? Was it used by a particular ethnic group? Thanks, Susan Manolakos

DeedMapper site has a section on various terms and such, and both are listed there. An "out" was ten (10) chains. A chain was the same as two (2) poles. A rod and a pole are the same thing, namely 16.5 feet. The "out" into use as surveyors carried 10 stakes, and when they used a stake at the end of each chain, they would have run "out" of stakes at the end of ten chains of measuring. Ken in VA

An 'out' was 10 chains. (This is found at our web site's description of surveying terms, but it is mis-categorized. We'll fix that.) To enter this in DeedMapper a bit of arithmetic is needed. It is best to convert the outs to rods: each chain is 4 rods, so an out is 40 rods. "9 outs 5 rods" is thus 9 times 40, plus 5, or 365 rods. In DeedMapper: Ln E; 365r; Another way to do it is to convert the 5 rods into chains. Since there are four rods per chain, the answer is 1.25 chains (5 divided by 4). You can then enter the distance as 91.25 chains (9 times 10, plus 1.25) In DeedMapper: Ln E; 91.25C; Steve Broyles ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mannos2@aol.com> To: <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 7:20 PM Subject: [DMU] Outs and rods > How do I enter, or translate a measurement containing the terms "outs" and > "rods" into notations that deedmapper can use. > > For instance, I have a deed that says "east 9 outs 5 rods". > > Has anyone encountered this terminology before, and if so, how did you enter > it? > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I checked D. Wade HONE's "Land & Property Research," and the term "outs" is not used there in anything that I can find. Dick Hillenbrand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Wilson" <rfwilson@wimberley-tx.com> To: <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [DMU] Outs and rods > > > How do I enter, or translate a measurement containing the terms "outs" and > > "rods" into notations that deedmapper can use. > > > > For instance, I have a deed that says "east 9 outs 5 rods". > > > > Has anyone encountered this terminology before, and if so, how did you > enter > > it? > > It appears that nobody has seen it before. I assume that the term is used > consistently in the description of the plat. Does the plat give the area > enclosed? Maybe there is a way to back into what the physical distance has > to be. > > Bob Wilson > Wimberley, TX > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

> How do I enter, or translate a measurement containing the terms "outs" and > "rods" into notations that deedmapper can use. > > For instance, I have a deed that says "east 9 outs 5 rods". > > Has anyone encountered this terminology before, and if so, how did you enter > it? It appears that nobody has seen it before. I assume that the term is used consistently in the description of the plat. Does the plat give the area enclosed? Maybe there is a way to back into what the physical distance has to be. Bob Wilson Wimberley, TX

How do I enter, or translate a measurement containing the terms "outs" and "rods" into notations that deedmapper can use. For instance, I have a deed that says "east 9 outs 5 rods". Has anyone encountered this terminology before, and if so, how did you enter it?

Hi Pauline, > plats in Warren Co, GA. Warren Co., GA is in my database as well. I will have to look up who went through there. > My names include: Guinn, Bucy, Hill, Pettipool/P.Pool, Bailey I have one survey for a D. A. Guinn in Mar 1845 for 218a. It seems like everyone went to or through Texas just like Pendleton District, SC. Bob

Hi Bob, Mine went through Old Ninety Six, SC--at least my Dad's side did (Burson or as the southerns say Busson). My Mom's side came straight from Henry Co, TN to Johnson Co, TX. They had a sister there waiting for them. Easterman. Small world! Oh, the D.A. (Duke) Guinn might be a brother to my Johnson Guinn. Haven't found the connection yet. In fact can't get Johnson back any further though there was a Johnston Guinn in Jefferson Co, KY. Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Wilson" <rfwilson@wimberley-tx.com> To: <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [DMU] Township-Range-Section Grid > Hi Pauline, > > > plats in Warren Co, GA. > > Warren Co., GA is in my database as well. I will have to look up who went > through there. > > > My names include: Guinn, Bucy, Hill, Pettipool/P.Pool, Bailey > > I have one survey for a D. A. Guinn in Mar 1845 for 218a. > It seems like everyone went to or through Texas just like Pendleton > District, SC. > > Bob > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >