Jerry, I have those from the repository, and a few added. I can't get things to go together in what I believe is the present-day Fort Mitchell area. There are many deeds I need to get to accomplish what I want, and I thought it would be good to know if someone else is interested in the area. I have worked a good bit with the patents and deed a bit east in the area north and south of the South Meherrin River. What families are you working? I have touched on about all of those south of Ontario in some fashion. Thanks for responding and I am eager to see what you are doing. JoLee Gregory Spears Some of my attempts at the South Fork of Meherrin River area are at my web site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jolee/index.htm At 03:00 PM 4/9/2003, you wrote: >Hi >There are Charlotte & Lunenburg patents in the deed repository that you can >download. I have worked with these and some others on some folk in western >Lunenburg and eastern Charlotte. Would be glad to send you what I have in >deedmapper format. > >Jerry Sullivan > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

-----Original Message----- From: Bill [mailto:bill-good1@attbi.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 4:23 PM To: 'DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com' Subject: RE: [DMU] More VA patents Hello, Fellow mappers Could anyone give me some advise on how to find/figure out the center latitude & longitude and degrees wide & degrees tall of my scanned image, so that I can utilize the Latitude & longitude features of Deedmapper. This is found under View>options>images, Thanks for your time. Regards, Bill

Hello, Fellow mappers Could anyone give me some advise on how to find/figure out the center latitude & longitude and degrees wide & degrees tall of my scanned image, so that I can utilize the Latitude & longitude features of Deedmapper. This is found under View>options>images, Thanks for your time. Regards, Bill

Hi There are Charlotte & Lunenburg patents in the deed repository that you can download. I have worked with these and some others on some folk in western Lunenburg and eastern Charlotte. Would be glad to send you what I have in deedmapper format. Jerry Sullivan

First, can anyone tell me when counties began using tract books in addition to the more conventional single plat-type books? By tract books I mean books that show what we would now call a subdivision, a mapped collection of more or less contiguous individual plats. Second, have such mappings been useful for tracing back to the original individual plat boundaries? My main area of interest is in the Carolinas. Lee Adair************************************************* W. Lee Adair, Jr, Ph.D. Professor of Biochemistry & Molecular Biology University of South Florida MDC 7 Tampa, FL 33612 TEL: (813)974-9599 FAX: (813)974-5798 *************************************************

Is anyone working the patents and deeds along the Charlotte Co. and Lunenburg Co., VA line? - say in the vicinity of present-day Keysville, Ontario, Wallace's Store and Fort Mitchell? JoLee

Betty, I bet that is it! Didn't think about that. This map is in KY but it is just as hilly. Teresa Ghee Elliott Need help with TMG sentences? Click here or go to http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rutherfordcemetery/TMG.html -----Original Message----- From: Betty [mailto:brfrain@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 10:16 PM To: DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DMU] What do you do when the plat doesn't close correctly Hi Teresa, My father was taught to survey as a young man and he kept his hand in all his life, although he did not work as a surveyor. One thing he always taught me was that because of the topography of the land, a survey NEVER has a zero degree of closure if the surveyor really does it properly. The more hills, or mountains, the larger the degree of closure. You would only have a perfect closure if the land is perfectly flat. Think about it. If you measure up and down hills and then try to put those measurements on a flat surface, they actually cover more ground than the outside measurement of the original would have covered. That is why, among other reasons, we have such fun fitting old plats onto our flat maps. Knowing you are probably trying to plat land in the hills of Tennessee, is your degree of closure really that bad? Does it go up and down the mountain? Betty Frain brfrain@comcast.net Researching Elgin, Dulin, Frain, Thrasher, Johnson, Hammerly, Thrift Elgin Genealogy: www.elgins.com A very happy TMG user and a proud member of RUG of Arlington, VA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teresa Ghee Elliott" <cheasa@BellSouth.net> To: <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:17 PM Subject: [DMU] What do you do when the plat doesn't close correctly | | | I have checked and double checked the coordinates and directions and the | plat does not close properly. I am assuming it was just recorded wrong. | How do other's handle these kinds of deed plats? | | | ============================== | To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: | http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 | | ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Teresa, My father was taught to survey as a young man and he kept his hand in all his life, although he did not work as a surveyor. One thing he always taught me was that because of the topography of the land, a survey NEVER has a zero degree of closure if the surveyor really does it properly. The more hills, or mountains, the larger the degree of closure. You would only have a perfect closure if the land is perfectly flat. Think about it. If you measure up and down hills and then try to put those measurements on a flat surface, they actually cover more ground than the outside measurement of the original would have covered. That is why, among other reasons, we have such fun fitting old plats onto our flat maps. Knowing you are probably trying to plat land in the hills of Tennessee, is your degree of closure really that bad? Does it go up and down the mountain? Betty Frain brfrain@comcast.net Researching Elgin, Dulin, Frain, Thrasher, Johnson, Hammerly, Thrift Elgin Genealogy: www.elgins.com A very happy TMG user and a proud member of RUG of Arlington, VA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teresa Ghee Elliott" <cheasa@BellSouth.net> To: <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:17 PM Subject: [DMU] What do you do when the plat doesn't close correctly | | | I have checked and double checked the coordinates and directions and the | plat does not close properly. I am assuming it was just recorded wrong. | How do other's handle these kinds of deed plats? | | | ============================== | To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: | http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 | |

I wait until I get the preceding deed or the deed to the next party. Sometimes, it is corrected. Most often the mistake is followed to the next deed. If I'm real lucky, the deed may indicate the patent, so I order that. Sometimes the mistake is in the patent as well. Sometimes not. Or, if you're mapping a neighborhood, the neighboring tract likely will show where the mistake is. Sometimes substituting coordinates helps. Try different things. You may just have to keep tracing the deed closer to the present to see what you find in each deed. Marie. > >I have checked and double checked the coordinates and directions and the >plat does not close properly. I am assuming it was just recorded wrong. >How do other's handle these kinds of deed plats? >

here is the link that will allow searches for the patents and grants eagle.vsla.edu/lonn/virtua-basic.html just add <A HREF="http://">http://</A> not sure if rootsweb allows links Ken in VA

Ken would you send along the tag for me. Tom skeen ----- Original Message ----- From: <KRothinVA@aol.com> To: <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [DMU] Amherst Co. VA, area of Johns, Harris, and Stovall creeks, 1771ish ... > Have you tried the Library of Virginia site? they have all the land patents, > and it can be searched by keyword (name, river, etc). I can send ya the link > if ya want. > > Ken inVA > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

This is the page where you can do the searches. Replace the ** with // I changed it as not sure if rootsweb lets links thru <A HREF="http:**eagle.vsla.edu/lonn/virtua-basic.html">http:**eagle.vsla.edu/lonn/virtua-basic.html</A> Ken in VA

here is the direct link to the page where you can do the searches <A HREF="http://eagle.vsla.edu/lonn/virtua-basic.html">http:**eagle.vsla.edu/lonn/virtua-basic.html</A> just replace the ** with the normal // (not sure if rootsweb lets links go thru, so I changed it) Ken in VA

Please send me the website also Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Oliver" <woliver@hiwaay.net> To: <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [DMU] Amherst Co. VA, area of Johns, Harris, and Stovall creeks, 1771ish ... > >Have you tried the Library of Virginia site? they have all the land patents, > >and it can be searched by keyword (name, river, etc). I can send ya the link > >if ya want. > > > >Ken inVA > > > > Ken, can you send me the link too? > > Pat Oliver > -- > Pat Oliver > woliver@hiwaay.net > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

>Have you tried the Library of Virginia site? they have all the land patents, >and it can be searched by keyword (name, river, etc). I can send ya the link >if ya want. > >Ken inVA > Ken, can you send me the link too? Pat Oliver -- Pat Oliver woliver@hiwaay.net

Have you tried the Library of Virginia site? they have all the land patents, and it can be searched by keyword (name, river, etc). I can send ya the link if ya want. Ken inVA

Joy, Unfortunately that won't work for this deed. It was written in 1891. I have some of the surrounding deeds and am hoping once I get them mapped out, that it will become clear how this one is supposed to look. Teresa Ghee Elliott Need help with TMG sentences? Click here or go to http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rutherfordcemetery/TMG.html -----Original Message----- From: FISHER,JOY R [mailto:jfisher@ucla.edu] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 10:25 PM To: DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DMU] What do you do when the plat doesn't close correctly In addition to the patents that are on-line, the survey books are available on microfilm complete with the surveyor's plat map. When all else fails, you can check the survey book against the patent. I have one that looks like a pretzel that I will double check the next time I go to my local FHC On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, Lee Hoffman wrote: > Teresa Ghee Elliott wrote: > > >I have checked and double checked the coordinates and directions and the > >plat does not close properly. I am assuming it was just recorded wrong. > >How do other's handle these kinds of deed plats? > > Hi Teresa - > > The plat should close properly if it is anywhere close (I forget the actual > distance). When I have one of these, I usually try to plot it roughly with > pencil and paper. Then I can usually see where either I am wrong or, more > likely, the coordinates were recorded incorrectly. Then I can adjust the > coordinates as needed. If the closure distance is great, I will often add > a closing entry where I can annotate it showing that it is my addition. In > either case, I do annotate any of my changes. > > Sometimes reviewing the neighboring plots or later deeds for the same > property can show the corrections needed. > > Hope this helps - > > Lee Hoffman/KY > TMG Tips: <http://www.tmgtips.com> > My website: <http://www.tmgtips.com/lhoffman> > A user of the best genealogy program, The Master Genealogist (TMG) > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

In addition to the patents that are on-line, the survey books are available on microfilm complete with the surveyor's plat map. When all else fails, you can check the survey book against the patent. I have one that looks like a pretzel that I will double check the next time I go to my local FHC On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, Lee Hoffman wrote: > Teresa Ghee Elliott wrote: > > >I have checked and double checked the coordinates and directions and the > >plat does not close properly. I am assuming it was just recorded wrong. > >How do other's handle these kinds of deed plats? > > Hi Teresa - > > The plat should close properly if it is anywhere close (I forget the actual > distance). When I have one of these, I usually try to plot it roughly with > pencil and paper. Then I can usually see where either I am wrong or, more > likely, the coordinates were recorded incorrectly. Then I can adjust the > coordinates as needed. If the closure distance is great, I will often add > a closing entry where I can annotate it showing that it is my addition. In > either case, I do annotate any of my changes. > > Sometimes reviewing the neighboring plots or later deeds for the same > property can show the corrections needed. > > Hope this helps - > > Lee Hoffman/KY > TMG Tips: <http://www.tmgtips.com> > My website: <http://www.tmgtips.com/lhoffman> > A user of the best genealogy program, The Master Genealogist (TMG) > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Does anybody have descriptions for properties in this "neck" of the woods that would be contained within Geo Carrington's 1753 or 1745 land grant, or know where I could find them on the web? I have one for my ancestor that is located in the 1745 area, Thomas Merritt, which references another owned by him also in that area. Trying to find a description for the second, or that for any of his neighbors (Rich Shelton, John Ownby, David Woodroof, etc). If anybody has information on these areas or can point me to them on the web I would appreciate it! Mike Merritt outlndr@infomagic.net

Lee, Actually it did close, just not at the ending points. The beginning point is north of the ending point and the two lines crossed. I am thinking it was recorded wrong. Teresa Ghee Elliott Need help with TMG sentences? Click here or go to http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rutherfordcemetery/TMG.html -----Original Message----- From: Lee Hoffman [mailto:lhoffman@acm.org] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 10:30 AM To: DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DMU] What do you do when the plat doesn't close correctly Teresa Ghee Elliott wrote: >I have checked and double checked the coordinates and directions and the >plat does not close properly. I am assuming it was just recorded wrong. >How do other's handle these kinds of deed plats? Hi Teresa - The plat should close properly if it is anywhere close (I forget the actual distance). When I have one of these, I usually try to plot it roughly with pencil and paper. Then I can usually see where either I am wrong or, more likely, the coordinates were recorded incorrectly. Then I can adjust the coordinates as needed. If the closure distance is great, I will often add a closing entry where I can annotate it showing that it is my addition. In either case, I do annotate any of my changes. Sometimes reviewing the neighboring plots or later deeds for the same property can show the corrections needed. Hope this helps - Lee Hoffman/KY TMG Tips: <http://www.tmgtips.com> My website: <http://www.tmgtips.com/lhoffman> A user of the best genealogy program, The Master Genealogist (TMG) ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237