A land surveyor measures the distance horizontally using a plumb bob, not sloping like the hill side side. ALL of the older surveys had some inherent error of closure. The error of closure was often due to human error, unsteady plumb bob, faulty angular measurement, incorrect recording, etc, although it could also be caused by incorrect chain lengths or an out of adjustment transit. There are formulas for calculating the error of closure and correcting them. If the error was not within allowable limits the survey should be re-done. Often however, in actual practice, many of the early day surveyors recorded the measurements as they found them and did not take the trouble to calculate the closure [or did not know how] That is why most of the older surveys and plats do not close correctly. If you need more information, any text book on beginning surveying will explain the procedures for adjusting the error of closure. Jim Slade ============================================ ---- Original Message ----- From: "Teresa Ghee Elliott" <cheasa@BellSouth.net> To: <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 10:24 AM Subject: RE: [DMU] What do you do when the plat doesn't close correctly > Betty, > I bet that is it! Didn't think about that. This map is in KY but it > is just as hilly. > > Teresa Ghee Elliott > Need help with TMG sentences? Click here or go to > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rutherfordcemetery/TMG.html > > -----Original Message----- > From: Betty [mailto:brfrain@comcast.net] > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 10:16 PM > To: DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DMU] What do you do when the plat doesn't close correctly > > Hi Teresa, > > My father was taught to survey as a young man and he kept his hand in > all > his life, although he did not work as a surveyor. One thing he always > taught > me was that because of the topography of the land, a survey NEVER has a > zero > degree of closure if the surveyor really does it properly. The more > hills, > or mountains, the larger the degree of closure. You would only have a > perfect closure if the land is perfectly flat. Think about it. If you > measure up and down hills and then try to put those measurements on a > flat > surface, they actually cover more ground than the outside measurement of > the > original would have covered. That is why, among other reasons, we have > such > fun fitting old plats onto our flat maps. Knowing you are probably > trying to > plat land in the hills of Tennessee, is your degree of closure really > that > bad? Does it go up and down the mountain? > > Betty Frain > brfrain@comcast.net > Researching Elgin, Dulin, Frain, Thrasher, Johnson, Hammerly, Thrift > > Elgin Genealogy: www.elgins.com > > A very happy TMG user and a proud member of RUG of Arlington, VA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Teresa Ghee Elliott" <cheasa@BellSouth.net> > To: <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:17 PM > Subject: [DMU] What do you do when the plat doesn't close correctly > > > | > | > | I have checked and double checked the coordinates and directions and > the > | plat does not close properly. I am assuming it was just recorded > wrong. > | How do other's handle these kinds of deed plats? > | > | > | ============================== > | To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > go to: > | http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > | > | > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Does anyone know anything about Michael John Neill? Jim Barrett Bedford, TX parino@flash.net Barrett Surname DNA Project Powell Surname DNA Project -----Original Message----- From: Vivian Cates [mailto:vtoole@ballistic.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 10:15 AM To: DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [DMU] LUFKIN TX 7/24/03 ALL-DAY DEEDMAPPER WORKSHOP FYI,If you are not inteested just hit the delete button. Perhaps this workshop will be of interested to some people subscribed to this list. I Pre-conference Activity for the 7th Annual Angelina College Genealogy Conference Regular Genealogy conference is Friday and Saturday July 25-26, 2003 Registration fee of $120 includes five meals. Enrollment limit roughly 100 All Day DEEDMAPPER Workshop Thursday, July 24, 2003 Angelina College, Lufkin Texas 9 am to 4 pm with regular morning, lunch, and afternoon breaks. Presented by Michael John Neill of Carl Sandberg College, Galesburg, Illinois $55.00 registration fee includes lunch catered by college food service. Registration limited to 20 people. Hands on workshop in college computer lab. Registration was at 10 people 7/9/03 Seats are still available. For additional information and to register by mail or in person: Community Services Division Angelina College, 3500 South First Street, P.O. Box 1768, Lufkin, Texas 75902-1768 Phone 1-936-633=5206 College offices are closed on Friday. Days Inn is the headquarters motel at $49.00 per night plus 13% motel/hotel tax In order to keep having this conference we need all the help we can get getting out the publicity so that we have a good turnout. College budget has been cut like a lot of other places. This is the only public college west of the Mississippi currently sponsoring a genealogy conference with outside speakers. Please pass the word along to all of your genealogy friends whom you think might want to attend. At the door parking. All airconditioned buildings and handicapped accessible and minimum walking. Vivian Cates, Rt. #2 Box 52-A, Alto, Texas 75925-9607 1-936-858-3801 http://www.ballistic.com/~vcates adjunct instructor-genealogy, conference publicity coordinator ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

FYI,If you are not inteested just hit the delete button. Perhaps this workshop will be of interested to some people subscribed to this list. I Pre-conference Activity for the 7th Annual Angelina College Genealogy Conference Regular Genealogy conference is Friday and Saturday July 25-26, 2003 Registration fee of $120 includes five meals. Enrollment limit roughly 100 All Day DEEDMAPPER Workshop Thursday, July 24, 2003 Angelina College, Lufkin Texas 9 am to 4 pm with regular morning, lunch, and afternoon breaks. Presented by Michael John Neill of Carl Sandberg College, Galesburg, Illinois $55.00 registration fee includes lunch catered by college food service. Registration limited to 20 people. Hands on workshop in college computer lab. Registration was at 10 people 7/9/03 Seats are still available. For additional information and to register by mail or in person: Community Services Division Angelina College, 3500 South First Street, P.O. Box 1768, Lufkin, Texas 75902-1768 Phone 1-936-633=5206 College offices are closed on Friday. Days Inn is the headquarters motel at $49.00 per night plus 13% motel/hotel tax In order to keep having this conference we need all the help we can get getting out the publicity so that we have a good turnout. College budget has been cut like a lot of other places. This is the only public college west of the Mississippi currently sponsoring a genealogy conference with outside speakers. Please pass the word along to all of your genealogy friends whom you think might want to attend. At the door parking. All airconditioned buildings and handicapped accessible and minimum walking. Vivian Cates, Rt. #2 Box 52-A, Alto, Texas 75925-9607 1-936-858-3801 http://www.ballistic.com/~vcates adjunct instructor-genealogy, conference publicity coordinator

So glad to be of help. Now if I could just get the hang of importing topographic maps, I'd be the happiest deedmapper around. I just haven't been able to do it, despite the tremendous information given in these posts. I'd also love to get the hang of downloading from the deed pool files. It just doesn't work for me on Windows ME. Or at leat I can't do it. Any guidance out there? Susan Manolakos

Thank you, Mannos2!!!! I've been wanting to color code some individual/group plots, but didn't know how. This works great. For my version of the software, I chose Edit, Plot Style, Custom. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mannos2@aol.com> To: <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [DMU] Moving a plot > If you have a tract highlighted, then, using the arrow keys, move to the > general area where you want to relocate the tract, then a mouse click (I think > left) in the new area, will "snap" that highlighted deed right to the new > location. > > You can move multiple deeds that have already been joined up but may not be > in the proper location, in the same way. > > First, you have to get the multiple deeds highlighted. You do this by > highlighting one, then holding down the control key and clicking on other tracts, > which will also become highlighted. When you have done this with several > tracts, and they are all highlighted, you can move, using the arrow keys to the area > where you want them to be, then left click with the mouse and they will all > move together, preserving their original positions compared to each other. You > can then move this collection of deeds around together, fitting them as you > wish to the landscape or other properties. To undo the group, just click on > one of them, or another deed. > > You can also change plat colors as a group in the same way. Highlight one > deed, then hold down control and highlight additional deeds. Then go to plot > view, and custom color. Changing the color will change the color of all of the > highlighted deeds. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

If you have a tract highlighted, then, using the arrow keys, move to the general area where you want to relocate the tract, then a mouse click (I think left) in the new area, will "snap" that highlighted deed right to the new location. You can move multiple deeds that have already been joined up but may not be in the proper location, in the same way. First, you have to get the multiple deeds highlighted. You do this by highlighting one, then holding down the control key and clicking on other tracts, which will also become highlighted. When you have done this with several tracts, and they are all highlighted, you can move, using the arrow keys to the area where you want them to be, then left click with the mouse and they will all move together, preserving their original positions compared to each other. You can then move this collection of deeds around together, fitting them as you wish to the landscape or other properties. To undo the group, just click on one of them, or another deed. You can also change plat colors as a group in the same way. Highlight one deed, then hold down control and highlight additional deeds. Then go to plot view, and custom color. Changing the color will change the color of all of the highlighted deeds.

Kathy I don't believe there is a way of snapping a tract into it's proper location. If you find a way to do this I would like to know. I have been plotting and placing tracts for several years and the big difficult job is finding the proper location for the tract of land. That feature would be a fabulous improvement to the software program. Wendell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Duncan" <ksduncan@lowcountry.com> To: <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 12:20 PM Subject: [DMU] Moving a plot > Is it possible to move or snap a tract into the exact location in which it > belongs prior to having tracts located along a stream or road corner for > reference? Since I am new I'm sure there is a correct way to do this. > Advice appreciated. > > Thanks, > Kathy Duncan > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Is it possible to move or snap a tract into the exact location in which it belongs prior to having tracts located along a stream or road corner for reference? Since I am new I'm sure there is a correct way to do this. Advice appreciated. Thanks, Kathy Duncan

A draftsman ruler, available at most office supply businesses, will have 1/10", 1/16", 1/12", etc. scales, and some will also contain metric scales. They are a "little" expensive but extremely handy around the office. The are triangular in shape, and will contain 6 different scales. Bob Manson ----- Original Message ----- From: <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 9:01 AM Subject: DEED-MAPPER-USERS-D Digest V03 #40

There are a number. The correct volume (which I don't have at my finger tips) of the Va Genealogist will give a written description as will a couple of other books (at least one of which is available from Gen Pub. Co.) which I don't have with me at work. Eric Grundset has a set of maps which depict the lines for various sections of the state and there is another available from Iberian. Louisa was cut from Haonver on its current eastern line, its western line extended to the present end of Albemarle before it lost its western section to Albemarle. I don't remember any other boundary adjustments. The line with Orange was and is the current line. -----Original Message----- From: JGSull@aol.com [mailto:JGSull@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 7:37 PM To: DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [DMU] Virginia County Lines Hi Is there any history or publication that describes the VA County lines and their changes over the years? Particularly interested in Louisa County and its adjacent lines. Jerry Sullivan ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I am working with some Plat Maps from South Carolina. When I enter the information for most of the maps the calculated area is close to the area shown on the plat. This is very hilly land so I don't expect the area to be exact. Most of the plats appear to use chains as the unit of measure. Two of the plats appear to use a measurement other than chains. When I enter the data for them the calculated area is very low. Here is an example: ! ! Abstracting info. Typ Plat Map Id Henry Prince - 2 Ref Greenvile Co., SC State Plats Vol. 7, Page 243 Dat 3 June 1784 Re 498 Acres - District of Ninetysix on the Wild Cat Branch waters of Tyger River ! ! Metes and bounds. "Beginning at..." Pt Ln S30E; 9.00C; Pt Ln N60E; 13.00C; Pt Ln N30W; 15.00C; Pt Ln S57W; 16.15C; Pt Ln S64E; 6.0C; end The Plat states the area is 498 acres, but the calculated value is only 19.7 acres. This is about 1/25 the correct value (19.7 * 25 = 492.5). Is there a unit of measure that is equal to 5 chains? One of the lengths is given as 16 1-50- . There is a space between the 16 and the 1. Jim Barrett Bedford, TX parino@flash.net Barrett <http://www.flash.net/~parino/barrett-family-dna-project.htm> Surname DNA Project Powell <http://www.flash.net/~parino/powell-surname-dna-project.htm> Surname DNA Project

Colin L. Valentine wrote: >GENERALLY, ATTEMPTING TO UNSUSCRIBE IS A BAD PRACTICE. IT CONFIRMS TO THE >SENDER THAT THE ADDRESS HE USED IS INDEED A VALID ADDRESS. LISTS OF >VALID ADDRESSES ARE VERY VALUABLE AT THE PRESENT TIME. ADVICE: SUSCRIBE TO >"MATADOR" There is no danger about subscribing or un-subscribing to a RootsWeb list. The confirmation is the fact that the messages are sent you to and not returned. to the sender. Lee Hoffman/KY TMG Tips: <http://www.tmgtips.com> My website: <http://www.tmgtips.com/lhoffman> A user of the best genealogy program, The Master Genealogist (TMG)

Sarah Keesee wrote: >Would SKS give me the address to unsubscribe? I envy your talent for >mapping, but it is beyond my ability or interest, so after some time, I need >to disconnect. When you subscribed, you were sent a message as follows which gives the instruction for un-subscribing: >Welcome to the DEED-MAPPER-USERS mailing list! You are currently >subscribed in >"mail mode", which means that you will receive every posting made >to DEED-MAPPER-USERS as a separate e-mail. The directions on how to change to >digest mode are given below. > >1. How to unsubscribe. Send a message to > > DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L-request@rootsweb.com > >that contains (in the body of the message) the command > > unsubscribe > >and no additional text. > >2. How to subscribe. Whatever you just did worked, or you'd >not be getting this message. But for future reference (for instance, >if your subscription is cancelled for whatever reason and you >want to resubscribe), just send the command "subscribe" to >DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L-request@rootsweb.com. > >3. How to change to digest mode (several postings are combined and >sent to you together as a single large message). There are two >steps. First, send the command "unsubscribe" to >DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L-request@rootsweb.com to discontinue mail mode. Second, >send the command "subscribe" to DEED-MAPPER-USERS-D-request@rootsweb.com >to start receiving digests. > >4. How to change to NOMAIL mode. There is no formal NOMAIL mode. >All you have to do is follow the directions above and unsubscribe >when you want the messages to stop, and then when you want them >to start again, simply subscribe again. > >5. If you'd like to post a message so everyone on the mailing >list receives it, just send it to DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com. It >will then be sent on to everyone in both mail and digest mode. >You don't need to send it explicitly to both. > >6. To contact the administrator of this mailing list, send mail to >DEED-MAPPER-USERS-admin@rootsweb.com. Sorry to see you leave, but we understand. Maybe later you can re-join us. Hope this helps - Lee Hoffman/KY TMG Tips: <http://www.tmgtips.com> My website: <http://www.tmgtips.com/lhoffman> A user of the best genealogy program, The Master Genealogist (TMG)

GENERALLY, ATTEMPTING TO UNSUSCRIBE IS A BAD PRACTICE. IT CONFIRMS TO THE SENDER THAT THE ADDRESS HE USED IS INDEED A VALID ADDRESS. LISTS OF VALID ADDRESSES ARE VERY VALUABLE AT THE PRESENT TIME. ADVICE: SUSCRIBE TO "MATADOR" clv ---------------------------------------------------- This mailbox protected from junk email by Matador from MailFrontier, Inc. http://info.mailfrontier.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Sarah Keesee To: DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [DMU] Re:Straight lines Would SKS give me the address to unsubscribe? I envy your talent for mapping, but it is beyond my ability or interest, so after some time, I need to disconnect. Thanks and good luck, Sarah lydiap@salisbury.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <dadster3@juno.com> To: <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 11:21 AM Subject: [DMU] Re:Straight lines > What you might try is scaling the lines off a paper map. Buy an > Engineers scale or an Architects scale. Engineers scales are in 10ths. > This is what I use because the plats I've seen in GA are scaled at 20 > chains/inch so I can take a straight line measurement directly off the > plat (has to be original size, of course, no enlargement or reduction) > and then transfer that to a paper map. It isn't perfect but will get you > in the neighborhood. > > Architect's scales are in 12ths and might be better if you scale is in > feet. > > Barry Clark > Fredericksburg, VA > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Internet Of Salisbury, Inc.] > > --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Internet Of Salisbury, Inc.] ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Would SKS give me the address to unsubscribe? I envy your talent for mapping, but it is beyond my ability or interest, so after some time, I need to disconnect. Thanks and good luck, Sarah lydiap@salisbury.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <dadster3@juno.com> To: <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 11:21 AM Subject: [DMU] Re:Straight lines > What you might try is scaling the lines off a paper map. Buy an > Engineers scale or an Architects scale. Engineers scales are in 10ths. > This is what I use because the plats I've seen in GA are scaled at 20 > chains/inch so I can take a straight line measurement directly off the > plat (has to be original size, of course, no enlargement or reduction) > and then transfer that to a paper map. It isn't perfect but will get you > in the neighborhood. > > Architect's scales are in 12ths and might be better if you scale is in > feet. > > Barry Clark > Fredericksburg, VA > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Internet Of Salisbury, Inc.] > > --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Internet Of Salisbury, Inc.]

The information below is true if you are receiving e-mail from an unknown source. However, if you simple want to unsubscribe from a mailing list you subscribed to that shouldn't be a problem. The instructions are: * Unsubscribing. To leave DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L, send mail to DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word unsubscribe in the message subject and body. To leave DEED-MAPPER-USERS-D, do the same thing with DEED-MAPPER-USERS-D-request@rootsweb.com. <mailto:DEED-MAPPER-USERS-D-request@rootsweb.com> * Unsubscribe <mailto:DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe> from DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L * Unsubscribe <mailto:DEED-MAPPER-USERS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe> from DEED-MAPPER-USERS-D (digest) Jim Barrett Bedford, TX parino@flash.net Barrett <http://www.flash.net/~parino/barrett-family-dna-project.htm> Surname DNA Project Powell <http://www.flash.net/~parino/powell-surname-dna-project.htm> Surname DNA Project -----Original Message----- From: Colin L. Valentine [mailto:cvalentine@chartertn.net] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 11:14 AM To: DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DMU] Re:Straight lines GENERALLY, ATTEMPTING TO UNSUSCRIBE IS A BAD PRACTICE. IT CONFIRMS TO THE SENDER THAT THE ADDRESS HE USED IS INDEED A VALID ADDRESS. LISTS OF VALID ADDRESSES ARE VERY VALUABLE AT THE PRESENT TIME. ADVICE: SUSCRIBE TO "MATADOR" clv ---------------------------------------------------- This mailbox protected from junk email by Matador from MailFrontier, Inc. http://info.mailfrontier.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Sarah Keesee To: DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [DMU] Re:Straight lines Would SKS give me the address to unsubscribe? I envy your talent for mapping, but it is beyond my ability or interest, so after some time, I need to disconnect. Thanks and good luck, Sarah lydiap@salisbury.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <dadster3@juno.com> To: <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 11:21 AM Subject: [DMU] Re:Straight lines > What you might try is scaling the lines off a paper map. Buy an > Engineers scale or an Architects scale. Engineers scales are in 10ths. > This is what I use because the plats I've seen in GA are scaled at 20 > chains/inch so I can take a straight line measurement directly off the > plat (has to be original size, of course, no enlargement or reduction) > and then transfer that to a paper map. It isn't perfect but will get you > in the neighborhood. > > Architect's scales are in 12ths and might be better if you scale is in > feet. > > Barry Clark > Fredericksburg, VA > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Internet Of Salisbury, Inc.] > > --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Internet Of Salisbury, Inc.] ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

What you might try is scaling the lines off a paper map. Buy an Engineers scale or an Architects scale. Engineers scales are in 10ths. This is what I use because the plats I've seen in GA are scaled at 20 chains/inch so I can take a straight line measurement directly off the plat (has to be original size, of course, no enlargement or reduction) and then transfer that to a paper map. It isn't perfect but will get you in the neighborhood. Architect's scales are in 12ths and might be better if you scale is in feet. Barry Clark Fredericksburg, VA

Genie7Lady@aol.com wrote: >Where can I fax a request for the software program and what maps are >available for Monmouth Co., New Jersey? Was in the session in Pittsburgh. Direct Line Software 71 Neshobe Rd. Newton, MA 02468 Phone: (617) 527-8566 e-mail: deeds@ultranet.com Web site: http://www.ultranet.com/~deeds Hope this helps - Lee Hoffman/KY TMG Tips: <http://www.tmgtips.com> My website: <http://www.tmgtips.com/lhoffman> A user of the best genealogy program, The Master Genealogist (TMG)