Please remove my name. I left you over a year ago and I am still getting messages. Thank you. Naomis444@aol.com

I do believe it was a joke...those "infected" by a genealogy "bug" can understand what he meant. There is no real virus, more like an addiction. Ken in VA

Derick Hartshorn wrote: >Charles, (cc to DM list) > >In the mail, you should have received an electronic virus on CD--the key >to an insidious new disease, worse even than SARS, and certainly much >worse than genealogy. I do not know what this is about. This is not something that should be posted to this list as there is no discussion of viruses allowed on this list. Viruses cannot be obtained from this list and anyone contract any virus through other mean should only discuss the situation privately. If anyone thinks it is important enough that a notice should be given on this (or any other Rootsweb mailing list) please contact me as the list Administrator and I will contact the staff of Rootsweb ascertaining the steps to take in making any announcement -- if any. Thanks for your consideration in this matter - DEED-MAPPER-USERS List Administrator Lee Hoffman/KY TMG Tips: <http://www.tmgtips.com> My website: <http://www.tmgtips.com/lhoffman> A user of the best genealogy program, The Master Genealogist (TMG)

I took it that Derick was making the comment "tongue in cheek." Deed mapping is habit forming--I can attest to that! Marie. >-----Original Message----- >From: Lee Hoffman [mailto:lhoffman@acm.org] >Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:09 PM >To: DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [DMU] "Genealogy--by pole and chain" > > >Derick Hartshorn wrote: >>Charles, (cc to DM list) >> >>In the mail, you should have received an electronic virus on CD--the key >>to an insidious new disease, worse even than SARS, and certainly much >>worse than genealogy. > >I do not know what this is about. This is not something that should be >posted to this list as there is no discussion of viruses allowed on this >list. Viruses cannot be obtained from this list and anyone contract any >virus through other mean should only discuss the situation privately. If >anyone thinks it is important enough that a notice should be given on this >(or any other Rootsweb mailing list) please contact me as the list >Administrator and I will contact the staff of Rootsweb ascertaining the >steps to take in making any announcement -- if any. > >Thanks for your consideration in this matter - > >DEED-MAPPER-USERS List Administrator > >Lee Hoffman/KY >TMG Tips: <http://www.tmgtips.com> >My website: <http://www.tmgtips.com/lhoffman> >A user of the best genealogy program, The Master Genealogist (TMG) > > >==== DEED-MAPPER-USERS Mailing List ==== >Send all messages and replies to <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com>. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Charles, (cc to DM list) In the mail, you should have received an electronic virus on CD--the key to an insidious new disease, worse even than SARS, and certainly much worse than genealogy. It's called deed mapping. Upon opening the CD, you should see the icon for a quick-time run of Deed Mapper (blue creek bisecting green plat). Open the file called: Burke Land Grants. With luck, it will open on the Matthew Wilson parallelogram of land granted by NC Gov. Dobbs in 1755. The position is currently locked-- it can be placed when a true position is known.The only Point, except for trees, is James Robinson's line. James is buried in the cemetery http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/wilson1/cemetery.htm along with Matthew Wilson, the Pioneer. I'm requesting copies of the original land grant(s) from Raleigh, along with those of some neighbors, as they are discovered. I want to be able to overlay the original Crown Grant land on a current topo. I have added a few folders with samples and other local plats. I hope to link the Clark's Creek/South Fork/Lyle Creek neighborhood with the original Burke County set, a contiguous set from that originated from Dr. McNeely. The Burke County Land Grant page is: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncburke/landgrnt.htm This study would have never been possible without the dedicated work of Dr. Emmett R. White, M.D., Rutherford College, NC and Dr. Robert L. McNeely, Professor of Chemistry, Univ. of Tenn.-Chattanooga. Dr. White is the author of "Revolutionary War Soldiers of Western North Carolina" (2 vol.), and an acknowledged scholar and leading authority of Western North Carolina history, pre-Colonial to present. Dr. McNeely, working very closely with Dr. White, transferred the transcribed deeds to a digital format using DeedMapper. I took the analog and digital information and have combined several other deeds that make the map contiguous. The web page is an index by number and a year. Copies of the original Land Grants can still be obtained from the Burke County Library. I would love to see an on-line database. Drs. White and McNeely have insisted that their work be placed in the public domain which is the one of the highest examples of public service. For the sake of free intellectual resources, I'd love to see a national database of land property covering the original land ownership. Perhaps the original DeedMapper format (below), or a modification thereof, could be accessed via the web : Typ grant, deed, sale, etc. ID File 0190 Ref Grant 0191 (Library:Grant,Claim) Adj Entry 0257 Rec 14 Mar 1780 (date for the actual land grant) Dat 07 Jun 1778 (is the date for the original claim-entry) Frm Bk28;p190 (reference book and page) To (to whom property conveyed) ! First Survey (comments) Lbl (and other owners) Con 640a (total acreage) Author/Transcriber (ex: Kaye S. Hendricks) Re (geographic location, ex: So of So. Fork) Wit (Witnesses, chain carriers, etc.) Pt (Anything at all, white oak, big rock, etc.) Ln (Example: s; 103p; ---n23e; 100p; end In addition, I'd like to suggest the addition of a universal geographic code, example: Doc (country/state-province/county/township/city--geographically-searchable) There is a demo that I used to illustrate the program for the Burke Co. Genealogical Society: YOUR CD-DRIVE:\DeedMap\Deeds & Grants in North Carolina\DM Demo-John Hardin\RunMe-DeedMapper.pps If you check the included Word documents you'll get a better perspective of land measurements and the history of surveying. This demo is a very effective, dramatic and educational presentation. The input file RunMe-DeedMapper.pps will run the show --Derick Should Dr. White or Dr. McNeely or others like a CD copy of my demo (John Hardin of Burke County, NC), please write.

Dear Mary Jane, I have just started the process of the land research for Jones families, and I am still uncertain about which Jones are mine - that's one of the reasons for doing some of the land research. I do have the Vestry Book of Bristol Parish at my library, and a good many Jones records photocopied from that volume. So far, I have not run into the Second Swamp locations in the ones I have pursued, _but_ I am just beginning. If I find an "Isabel" record in that area, I will let you know. Marilyn > I have a lot of material on Prince George in the early 1700s. Do you have > the Vestry Book of Bristol Parish? It has baptisms (not all, but a decent > number) from early 1700s and a few from the end of the century. If your > people were anywhere around Second Swamp, I'd like to know who they wre. Do > you want me to glance at the Vestry Book for them? > Cordially, > Mary Jane

MY REPLY: Dear Marilyn: I have a lot of material on Prince George in the early 1700s. Do you have the Vestry Book of Bristol Parish? It has baptisms (not all, but a decent number) from early 1700s and a few from the end of the century. If your people were anywhere around Second Swamp, I'd like to know who they wre. Do you want me to glance at the Vestry Book for them? Cordially, Mary Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Symonds" <sysite@swbell.net> To: <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [DMU] Rohowick Swamp > Mary Jane, I do not have an Isabel Jones in my records, but > then I have just started on the Jones records in P. > George/Dinwiddie/Nottoway. Wish I had more information to offer! > > Marilyn Symonds > > Mary Jane Phillips-Matz wrote: > > Writing to you again. > > I've just seen the e-mail about Robert Bolling and the Jones reference in > > it. I've done a great deal of work on Second Swamp and all the people who > > lived on it in the 1700s. Second Swamp is mentioned in that e-mail. And just > > for your information, I also noticed that Moccosoneck Road is misspelled in > > the same e-mail. It's spelled with "N," not "M." > > My Phillipses lived on Second Swamp at least as early as 1711. > > Do you by any chance have an Isabel Jones or Isabel Anything-Else in your > > records?? She would have been born about 1700 and was married to Thomas > > Phillips and having children baptised in 1726-1734. > > Many thanks, > > Mary Jane Phillips-Matz > > > ==== DEED-MAPPER-USERS Mailing List ==== > To un-subscribe from DEED-MAPPER-USERS-D (in DIGEST mode), send a message to <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-D-request@rootsweb.com> with just the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes)in the text and turn off your signature. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Mary Jane, I do not have an Isabel Jones in my records, but then I have just started on the Jones records in P. George/Dinwiddie/Nottoway. Wish I had more information to offer! Marilyn Symonds Mary Jane Phillips-Matz wrote: > Writing to you again. > I've just seen the e-mail about Robert Bolling and the Jones reference in > it. I've done a great deal of work on Second Swamp and all the people who > lived on it in the 1700s. Second Swamp is mentioned in that e-mail. And just > for your information, I also noticed that Moccosoneck Road is misspelled in > the same e-mail. It's spelled with "N," not "M." > My Phillipses lived on Second Swamp at least as early as 1711. > Do you by any chance have an Isabel Jones or Isabel Anything-Else in your > records?? She would have been born about 1700 and was married to Thomas > Phillips and having children baptised in 1726-1734. > Many thanks, > Mary Jane Phillips-Matz

Writing to you again. I've just seen the e-mail about Robert Bolling and the Jones reference in it. I've done a great deal of work on Second Swamp and all the people who lived on it in the 1700s. Second Swamp is mentioned in that e-mail. And just for your information, I also noticed that Moccosoneck Road is misspelled in the same e-mail. It's spelled with "N," not "M." My Phillipses lived on Second Swamp at least as early as 1711. Do you by any chance have an Isabel Jones or Isabel Anything-Else in your records?? She would have been born about 1700 and was married to Thomas Phillips and having children baptised in 1726-1734. Many thanks, Mary Jane Phillips-Matz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Symonds" <sysite@swbell.net> To: <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 5:10 AM Subject: Re: [DMU] Rohowick Swamp > I do think that would be its location, but I cannot find it > in the DeLorme Atlas of Virginia, nor in the Oxford Atlas. I > thought I remembered seeing it on a map. What map/atlas are > you using? > > Marilyn > > Barbara Vines Little wrote: > > Do you think that it might be what is currently called Rohoic Creek in > > Petersburg and Dinwiddie County? > > > > > ==== DEED-MAPPER-USERS Mailing List ==== > Send all messages and replies to <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com>. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

If you are working in Virginia, one of the best sources for information on creeks and other land forms is the Biggs index to topological quadrangle maps. It is available (price I believe is $10) from Division of Mineral Resources P.O. Box 3667 Charlottesville Va 22903 Sales Office: (434) 951-6341 FAX : (434) 951-6365 Sales Hours: 8:00 AM - 4:30 PM Mon. - Fri. Geologic Information: (434) 951-6342 -----Original Message----- From: Symonds [mailto:sysite@swbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 10:41 AM To: DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [DMU] Rohoic Creek Thanks, Ellen. My error lay in spelling - the name is entered only as Rohoic. I found that the stream goes on roughly north-south line by the dividing line between Petersburg and Dinwiddie to Appomattox Riber. Point at Appomattox River is: 283488E 4122362N. From topozone.com. Thanks to all. > The closest spelling in Site Find is: > Rohoic Farms, Dinwiddie Co, N37d12m W77d29m > > Good luck! > Ellen > ==== DEED-MAPPER-USERS Mailing List ==== Send all messages and replies to <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com>. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Barbara, thanks so much for this. I could not find a source for the Biggs index this morning. Marilyn Symonds Barbara Vines Little, CG wrote: > If you are working in Virginia, one of the best sources for information > on creeks and other land forms is the Biggs index to topological > quadrangle maps. It is available (price I believe is $10) from > > Division of Mineral Resources P.O. Box 3667 Charlottesville Va 22903 > Sales Office: (434) 951-6341 FAX : (434) 951-6365 > Sales Hours: 8:00 AM - 4:30 PM Mon. - Fri. > Geologic Information: (434) 951-6342

The last time I was in the Prince George County courthouse, there was a map on the wall in the clerk's office that a local historian had done, I believe. I met this man, but I cannot remember his name. You may wish to call the clerk's office and ask whether this is on that map. Frankie Liles

I wonder if a copy of the map is available for purchase at the Historical Society or equivalent. I guess the clerk's office would probably know about that. Thank you Frankie for the info about the map. I have found confirming evidence that this is the right location by locating Wood and Jones family history. Marilyn Symonds > The last time I was in the Prince George County courthouse, there was a map > on the wall in the clerk's office that a local historian had done, I believe. I > met this man, but I cannot remember his name. You may wish to call the > clerk's office and ask whether this is on that map. > > Frankie Liles >

Peter, it was exactly this land record which was the genesis of my search! "Rohowick" seems now to be spelled differently and the old spelling was the snag that gave me the trouble. Marilyn > Someone may have already checked this, but here is a land record > abstract for Robert Bolling-1744-Prince George Co VA which I found on > Ancestry.com at: > <http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/message/an/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.princegeorge/418> > > (you may have to piece this link back together if your e-mail client > splits it) > The description gives some nearby geographic information and some > adjoining land owners which might help. There's more information in the > post about the VA grant and where it may be found it appears. This is a > natural for using Deed Mapper to locate Rohowick Swamp if you piece > adjoining property together I would think. > Hope this helps... Peter Bradish > ---------- > Area: 1660 acres in Prince George Co VA, adjoining and including > his old "Squerril Leavil Tract" on a branch of Rohowick Swamp and > in a slash by a pond, also on the lower side of the Upper Fork of > the Great Run, on the lower side of a pond of Second Swamp, and on > both sides of the Noccossoneck Main Road, and adjoining HENRY WALL, > the said WALL alias EATON, WOOD alias JONES, JOHN RAVENSCROFT, > FITZGERALD, SEARS (on the upper side of said road), and the corner > of GREEN and JONES (near the head of Wildcat Fall). > >

Someone may have already checked this, but here is a land record abstract for Robert Bolling-1744-Prince George Co VA which I found on Ancestry.com at: <http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/message/an/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.princegeorge/418> (you may have to piece this link back together if your e-mail client splits it) The description gives some nearby geographic information and some adjoining land owners which might help. There's more information in the post about the VA grant and where it may be found it appears. This is a natural for using Deed Mapper to locate Rohowick Swamp if you piece adjoining property together I would think. Hope this helps... Peter Bradish ---------- Area: 1660 acres in Prince George Co VA, adjoining and including his old "Squerril Leavil Tract" on a branch of Rohowick Swamp and in a slash by a pond, also on the lower side of the Upper Fork of the Great Run, on the lower side of a pond of Second Swamp, and on both sides of the Noccossoneck Main Road, and adjoining HENRY WALL, the said WALL alias EATON, WOOD alias JONES, JOHN RAVENSCROFT, FITZGERALD, SEARS (on the upper side of said road), and the corner of GREEN and JONES (near the head of Wildcat Fall).

The closest spelling in Site Find is: Rohoic Farms, Dinwiddie Co, N37d12m W77d29m Good luck! Ellen

Thanks, Ellen. My error lay in spelling - the name is entered only as Rohoic. I found that the stream goes on roughly north-south line by the dividing line between Petersburg and Dinwiddie to Appomattox Riber. Point at Appomattox River is: 283488E 4122362N. From topozone.com. Thanks to all. > The closest spelling in Site Find is: > Rohoic Farms, Dinwiddie Co, N37d12m W77d29m > > Good luck! > Ellen >

MY REPLY: Are you the person who is looking for Rohowick? I've done years of work on my Phillips connections in Prince George County and Dinwiddie, and on the creeks that were called swamps in that time (early 1700s). I think Rohowick is mentioned in the historic patents, and I believe it's a creek in Petersburg and Dinwiddie (former Prince George) County. I seem to have missed the first part of this discussion. May I ask what families you are working on? Many thanks, Mary Jane Phillips-Matz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Symonds" <sysite@swbell.net> To: <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 5:10 AM Subject: Re: [DMU] Rohowick Swamp > I do think that would be its location, but I cannot find it > in the DeLorme Atlas of Virginia, nor in the Oxford Atlas. I > thought I remembered seeing it on a map. What map/atlas are > you using? > > Marilyn > > Barbara Vines Little wrote: > > Do you think that it might be what is currently called Rohoic Creek in > > Petersburg and Dinwiddie County? > > > > > ==== DEED-MAPPER-USERS Mailing List ==== > Send all messages and replies to <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com>. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I was consulting Bigg's index to topological quadrangle maps. It will show up on those. -----Original Message----- From: Symonds [mailto:sysite@swbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 5:11 AM To: DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DMU] Rohowick Swamp I do think that would be its location, but I cannot find it in the DeLorme Atlas of Virginia, nor in the Oxford Atlas. I thought I remembered seeing it on a map. What map/atlas are you using? Marilyn Barbara Vines Little wrote: > Do you think that it might be what is currently called Rohoic Creek in > Petersburg and Dinwiddie County? > ==== DEED-MAPPER-USERS Mailing List ==== Send all messages and replies to <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com>. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I am the person looking for Rohowick. I too have seen found it mentioned in patents in Prince George County, Virginia. I'm working with (drowning in?) Jones families. Thanks to Barbara Vines Little for the reference to Bigg's index to topological quadrangle maps, with which I am unfamiliar. But I will try to erase that handicap! Marilyn Symonds