It's just geometry. The radius of the circle is given and so was the length of the arc. Find the circumfrence of the entire circle and then the ratio of the arc to the circumfrence. c=2 X 3.14 X r or abt 6200 ft in this case 1736 ft/ 6200 ft = .280 or almost one third of the circle. 360 degrees X .280= 101degrees of arc is being swept. In other words for every 10 degrees 173.6 ft is being covered. So if you divide the given length into ten equal segments and change the angle by ten degrees each time you can get an approximation of the curve. If you wanted to you could do it even finer but 10 seemed a good number. As for down the meanders I just find where I am on the map and use the lat/ long feature [the +] to "walk" my way down the meander and write down the direction and distance as I go. Charlotte > Do you have a convenient algorithm (or better a program) for > calculating this? If so, how about passing it on to Steve Broyles for > incorporation into a future release. Or even better, since most of > these kinds of interpolations are necessarily irregular (eg. "down the > meanders...") would be the ability to plot a series of points (at the > bends, say, of a river) and have the bounds generated automagically by > the program, connecting the plotted dots (this is assuming the > presence of one of Steve's overlays, or other importations showing > river course and the like). > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <searcher@covad.net> > To: <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 9:29 AM > Subject: Re[DMU] Help fpr deed with arc > > > > ok your arc is sweeping an arc of 101.0349 degrees during it's > > length. > > You can enter the following ten lines in place of the instruction > > Lm ; 1736.89f; this is the arc > > > > lm s59.89e; 173.689f; > > pt > > lm s69.89e; 173.689f; > > pt > > lm s79.89e; 173.689f; > > pt > > lm s89.89e; 173.689f; > > pt > > lm n79.89e; 173.689f; > > pt > > lm n69.89e; 173.689f; > > pt > > lm n59.89e; 173.689f; > > pt > > lm n49.89e; 173.689f; > > pt > > lm n39.89e; 173.689f; > > pt > > lm n29.89e; 173.689f; > > This is dividing the given arc up into 10 equal segments. It is an > > approximation and not a smooth arc but will do for display > > purposes. > > > > > > Charlotte > > > > > I know DeedMapper can't do arcs but can I somehow get the rest of > > > the points in the correct position while leaving out the segment > > > with the arc? > > > > > > ==== DEED-MAPPER-USERS Mailing List ==== > > Send all messages and replies to <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com>. > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== DEED-MAPPER-USERS Mailing List ==== > Please turn off the "Reply To:" (leave it blank) in your messages. > This is normally not needed unless you are sending from one address > and expect to receive mail at a different address. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Do you have a convenient algorithm (or better a program) for calculating this? If so, how about passing it on to Steve Broyles for incorporation into a future release. Or even better, since most of these kinds of interpolations are necessarily irregular (eg. "down the meanders...") would be the ability to plot a series of points (at the bends, say, of a river) and have the bounds generated automagically by the program, connecting the plotted dots (this is assuming the presence of one of Steve's overlays, or other importations showing river course and the like). ----- Original Message ----- From: <searcher@covad.net> To: <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 9:29 AM Subject: Re[DMU] Help fpr deed with arc > ok your arc is sweeping an arc of 101.0349 degrees during it's > length. > You can enter the following ten lines in place of the instruction > Lm ; 1736.89f; this is the arc > > lm s59.89e; 173.689f; > pt > lm s69.89e; 173.689f; > pt > lm s79.89e; 173.689f; > pt > lm s89.89e; 173.689f; > pt > lm n79.89e; 173.689f; > pt > lm n69.89e; 173.689f; > pt > lm n59.89e; 173.689f; > pt > lm n49.89e; 173.689f; > pt > lm n39.89e; 173.689f; > pt > lm n29.89e; 173.689f; > This is dividing the given arc up into 10 equal segments. It is an > approximation and not a smooth arc but will do for display purposes. > > > Charlotte > > > I know DeedMapper can't do arcs but can I somehow get the rest of the > > points in the correct position while leaving out the segment with the > > arc? > > > ==== DEED-MAPPER-USERS Mailing List ==== > Send all messages and replies to <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com>. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

ok your arc is sweeping an arc of 101.0349 degrees during it's length. You can enter the following ten lines in place of the instruction Lm ; 1736.89f; this is the arc lm s59.89e; 173.689f; pt lm s69.89e; 173.689f; pt lm s79.89e; 173.689f; pt lm s89.89e; 173.689f; pt lm n79.89e; 173.689f; pt lm n69.89e; 173.689f; pt lm n59.89e; 173.689f; pt lm n49.89e; 173.689f; pt lm n39.89e; 173.689f; pt lm n29.89e; 173.689f; This is dividing the given arc up into 10 equal segments. It is an approximation and not a smooth arc but will do for display purposes. Charlotte > I know DeedMapper can't do arcs but can I somehow get the rest of the > points in the correct position while leaving out the segment with the > arc?

Sara After further review. The bearing and distance should read n70.9e;1489.24 Dale At 01:32 PM 4/15/2004 -0700, you wrote: >I know DeedMapper can't do arcs but can I somehow get the rest of the >points in the correct position while leaving out the segment with the arc? > >Here is what I have: > >Pt 1 - Creosoted timber pile driven at mean low water >Ln s59.89572e; 2234f; >Pt 2 - Steel railroad rail >! Easterly following an arc of a circle with 985 ft radius for 1736.89f >Lm ; 1736.89f; this is the arc >Pt 3 - Steel rail at the point of tanget of the curve >Ln s19.07261w; 589.38f; >Pt 4 - Creosoted pile on the mean low water line >Ln s29.81483w; 367.07f; >Pt 5 - Cross cut in southerly stone wall of moat sluice way (same as "F") >Ln n76.0327w; 1325f; >Pt 6 - Mean low water line >Lm ; ; following mean low water line in NW direction to the beginning > >Between point 2 and 3 the deed follows the arc of a circle for 1736.89 >feet. If I continue entering points after that, the plot I get doesn't >make any sense. I am sure it is not correct. Is there anyway for me to see >the rest of the points in the correct relative positions? Perhaps >reversing the directions?? > >Also, I had to convert my directions such as N76 1' 57.6" W to decimal >degrees (n76.0327w) - please verify this is correct. DM didn't like the 57.6. > >Thank you!! > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th > > >==== DEED-MAPPER-USERS Mailing List ==== >To un-subscribe from DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L (in MAIL mode), send a message to ><DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L-request@rootsweb.com> with just the word >"unsubscribe" (no quotes)in the text and turn off your signature. > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Before you tell your kids, We had better get it right. After further review of the problem the Bearing and Distance should be n70.9e;1489.24ft. The center point of the circle and the cord lies outside of the plot. The arc cuts into into the plot. Apparently this survey is a part of a subdivision. Dale At 09:03 PM 4/15/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Wow, Dale, you really can use what you learned in High School in real life. >Wait till I tell my kids. <G> > >Teresa Ghee Elliott >Any information I give that you can't find in your version of TMG 5.1 is >probably due to customization on my part. >For Rutherford County TN Cemeteries www.Rutherfordcemeteries.home-page.org >For TMG sentences ><http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rutherfordcemetery/TMG.html> > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: W D Carter [mailto:wdcarter@chartertn.net] >Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 8:54 PM >To: DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [DMU] Help for deed with arc > >Sara > Yes you can. The surveyor says point 3 is at a point of tangent of the >curve by using the rules of trigonometry one can calculate the bearing and >distance of the cord of the arc. The bearing and distance of the cord is >s70.9e;1489.24f. Use this as the bearing and distance from point 2 to point >3. Keep in mind this will show the cord between points 2 to 3 and not the >arc but it will give you a picture of how the other metes and bounds fit >together. > Good luck > >Dale >sourceid=1237 > > > > >==== DEED-MAPPER-USERS Mailing List ==== >To un-subscribe from DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L (in MAIL mode), send a message to ><DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L-request@rootsweb.com> with just the word >"unsubscribe" (no quotes)in the text and turn off your signature. > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Sara Yes you can. The surveyor says point 3 is at a point of tangent of the curve by using the rules of trigonometry one can calculate the bearing and distance of the cord of the arc. The bearing and distance of the cord is s70.9e;1489.24f. Use this as the bearing and distance from point 2 to point 3. Keep in mind this will show the cord between points 2 to 3 and not the arc but it will give you a picture of how the other metes and bounds fit together. Good luck Dale At 01:32 PM 4/15/2004 -0700, you wrote: >I know DeedMapper can't do arcs but can I somehow get the rest of the >points in the correct position while leaving out the segment with the arc? > >Here is what I have: > >Pt 1 - Creosoted timber pile driven at mean low water >Ln s59.89572e; 2234f; >Pt 2 - Steel railroad rail >! Easterly following an arc of a circle with 985 ft radius for 1736.89f >Lm ; 1736.89f; this is the arc >Pt 3 - Steel rail at the point of tanget of the curve >Ln s19.07261w; 589.38f; >Pt 4 - Creosoted pile on the mean low water line >Ln s29.81483w; 367.07f; >Pt 5 - Cross cut in southerly stone wall of moat sluice way (same as "F") >Ln n76.0327w; 1325f; >Pt 6 - Mean low water line >Lm ; ; following mean low water line in NW direction to the beginning > >Between point 2 and 3 the deed follows the arc of a circle for 1736.89 >feet. If I continue entering points after that, the plot I get doesn't >make any sense. I am sure it is not correct. Is there anyway for me to see >the rest of the points in the correct relative positions? Perhaps >reversing the directions?? > >Also, I had to convert my directions such as N76 1' 57.6" W to decimal >degrees (n76.0327w) - please verify this is correct. DM didn't like the 57.6. > >Thank you!! > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th > > >==== DEED-MAPPER-USERS Mailing List ==== >To un-subscribe from DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L (in MAIL mode), send a message to ><DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L-request@rootsweb.com> with just the word >"unsubscribe" (no quotes)in the text and turn off your signature. > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Wow, Dale, you really can use what you learned in High School in real life. Wait till I tell my kids. <G> Teresa Ghee Elliott Any information I give that you can't find in your version of TMG 5.1 is probably due to customization on my part. For Rutherford County TN Cemeteries www.Rutherfordcemeteries.home-page.org For TMG sentences <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rutherfordcemetery/TMG.html>   -----Original Message----- From: W D Carter [mailto:wdcarter@chartertn.net] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 8:54 PM To: DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DMU] Help for deed with arc Sara Yes you can. The surveyor says point 3 is at a point of tangent of the curve by using the rules of trigonometry one can calculate the bearing and distance of the cord of the arc. The bearing and distance of the cord is s70.9e;1489.24f. Use this as the bearing and distance from point 2 to point 3. Keep in mind this will show the cord between points 2 to 3 and not the arc but it will give you a picture of how the other metes and bounds fit together. Good luck Dale sourceid=1237

Has anyone else had problems with short measurements? Anything less than .8334 ft does not display. Mike

To make the remaining points visible you would need to add a dummy direction and distance on the last leg. For example, you could enter NW; 500f; and see what it looks like. N76 1' 57.6" W can be entered as N76/1/58W You're correct that it will not take decimals on the seconds value. Steve Broyles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sara Kidd" <sarajkidd@yahoo.com> To: <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 4:32 PM Subject: [DMU] Help for deed with arc > I know DeedMapper can't do arcs but can I somehow get the rest of the points in the correct position while leaving out the segment with the arc? > > Here is what I have: > > Pt 1 - Creosoted timber pile driven at mean low water > Ln s59.89572e; 2234f; > Pt 2 - Steel railroad rail > ! Easterly following an arc of a circle with 985 ft radius for 1736.89f > Lm ; 1736.89f; this is the arc > Pt 3 - Steel rail at the point of tanget of the curve > Ln s19.07261w; 589.38f; > Pt 4 - Creosoted pile on the mean low water line > Ln s29.81483w; 367.07f; > Pt 5 - Cross cut in southerly stone wall of moat sluice way (same as "F") > Ln n76.0327w; 1325f; > Pt 6 - Mean low water line > Lm ; ; following mean low water line in NW direction to the beginning > > Between point 2 and 3 the deed follows the arc of a circle for 1736.89 feet. If I continue entering points after that, the plot I get doesn't make any sense. I am sure it is not correct. Is there anyway for me to see the rest of the points in the correct relative positions? Perhaps reversing the directions?? > > Also, I had to convert my directions such as N76 1' 57.6" W to decimal degrees (n76.0327w) - please verify this is correct. DM didn't like the 57.6. > > Thank you!! > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th > > > ==== DEED-MAPPER-USERS Mailing List ==== > To un-subscribe from DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L (in MAIL mode), send a message to <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L-request@rootsweb.com> with just the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes)in the text and turn off your signature. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

I know DeedMapper can't do arcs but can I somehow get the rest of the points in the correct position while leaving out the segment with the arc? Here is what I have: Pt 1 - Creosoted timber pile driven at mean low water Ln s59.89572e; 2234f; Pt 2 - Steel railroad rail ! Easterly following an arc of a circle with 985 ft radius for 1736.89f Lm ; 1736.89f; this is the arc Pt 3 - Steel rail at the point of tanget of the curve Ln s19.07261w; 589.38f; Pt 4 - Creosoted pile on the mean low water line Ln s29.81483w; 367.07f; Pt 5 - Cross cut in southerly stone wall of moat sluice way (same as "F") Ln n76.0327w; 1325f; Pt 6 - Mean low water line Lm ; ; following mean low water line in NW direction to the beginning Between point 2 and 3 the deed follows the arc of a circle for 1736.89 feet. If I continue entering points after that, the plot I get doesn't make any sense. I am sure it is not correct. Is there anyway for me to see the rest of the points in the correct relative positions? Perhaps reversing the directions?? Also, I had to convert my directions such as N76 1' 57.6" W to decimal degrees (n76.0327w) - please verify this is correct. DM didn't like the 57.6. Thank you!! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th

> Did you perhaps enter >both deeds under "new" creating each deed as a separate file instead of >doing an >"append deed" ? > Try opening one of your deeds and under "file" click on "append > deed" . >Retype or cut and paste the other deed in. You should have both deeds in >the table >view and plot view. > >Charlotte Thanks, Charlotte, this was the answer. Glad you have a listserv, I think I will have lots of questions :) rondie

My first thoughts when I read the question was that the filter button (2 down arrows) on the toolbar was selected. This would allow for only the selected deed to be displayed. If you de-select it then all entered deeds would be viewed. Just a thought, Steve Nevin Bradenton, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rondie Yancey" <rondie@cox.net> To: <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 3:59 PM Subject: [DMU] new user question > I am a new user, trying to learn the program. I have entered two deeds > into a new file, but in the table view only one will be displayed > (depending on which one I opened). Why won't both deeds display in the > table view? rondie > > > > ==== DEED-MAPPER-USERS Mailing List ==== > To un-subscribe from DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L (in MAIL mode), send a message to <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L-request@rootsweb.com> with just the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes)in the text and turn off your signature. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

I haven't seen any responces to this so I'll take a shot at it. You mentioned seeing the deed in table view depends on which one you opened. Did you perhaps enter both deeds under "new" creating each deed as a separate file instead of doing an "append deed" ? Try opening one of your deeds and under "file" click on "append deed" . Retype or cut and paste the other deed in. You should have both deeds in the table view and plot view. Charlotte > I am a new user, trying to learn the program. I have entered two > deeds into a new file, but in the table view only one will be > displayed (depending on which one I opened). Why won't both deeds > display in the table view? rondie > > > > ==== DEED-MAPPER-USERS Mailing List ==== > To un-subscribe from DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L (in MAIL mode), send a > message to <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L-request@rootsweb.com> with just the > word "unsubscribe" (no quotes)in the text and turn off your signature. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

I am a new user, trying to learn the program. I have entered two deeds into a new file, but in the table view only one will be displayed (depending on which one I opened). Why won't both deeds display in the table view? rondie

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The only information I have is the 1855 meets and bounds information. That was why I was asking. I was told I had to have more information and I don't. All I have is a will with the information and layout in it. Annette DeCourcy Towler Home page for DeCourcy & Pack http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~decourcy/ Web page for St. Cloud Area Genealogists, Inc. http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnscag/SCAG/index.htm Family Researching in SE KY PACK, CHANDLER, WHEELER, FAIRCHILD,LeMASTERS, RAMEY,MILLER/MILAM/MILLAM, JAYNE, McSPADDEN Researching in NE KY DeCOURCY, ELLIS, BALL, MAINS, LEWIS, EVANS, SPILMAN, HUTCHINS, HAMILTON Researching in PA, IL WESSLING, SOMERS, SCHULER, PLAGGEE I've stopped 26 spam messages. You can too! One month FREE spam protection at http://www.cloudmark.com/spamnetsig/ I've stopped 234 spam messages. You can too! One month FREE spam protection at http://www.cloudmark.com/spamnetsig/ -----Original Message----- From: Linda Haas Davenport [mailto:lhaasdav@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 3:47 AM To: DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DMU] Thanks to all of you who helped The only way I have ever been able to locate property in metes & bounds states is to track the property from owner to owner. When I'm at the current owner I ask the Property Tax Assessors' office where the property is located on the present platt of the county. You can use the deed indexes to track owner to owner. As for the court records - if you mean the land records see above. If you mean other types of records it depends on what type of record you are interested in. Things like land records, marriages, wills, probate, etc., etc., usually have indexes and you should consult those first. Linda homepage: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas MarionCoAR: http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion/ TulsaCoOK: http://www.rootsweb.com/~oktulsa2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Annette Towler" <annettedt@mn.astound.net> To: <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 8:25 PM Subject: RE: [DMU] Thanks to all of you who helped | Does anyone have any clues as to how to transfer KY meets and bounds | records to actual finding the property in the county? Campbell Co., KY | | I know by census records etcs it is by Cold Spring, Campbell Co., KY but | how do I translate this to finding the court records. Any hints would | be great. Thank you | | Annette DeCourcy Towler | Home page for DeCourcy & Pack | http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~decourcy/ | Web page for St. Cloud Area Genealogists, Inc. | http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnscag/SCAG/index.htm | Family Researching in SE KY PACK, CHANDLER, WHEELER, | FAIRCHILD,LeMASTERS, RAMEY,MILLER/MILAM/MILLAM, JAYNE, McSPADDEN | Researching in NE KY DeCOURCY, ELLIS, BALL, MAINS, LEWIS, EVANS, | SPILMAN, | HUTCHINS, HAMILTON | Researching in PA, IL WESSLING, SOMERS, SCHULER, PLAGGEE | | | | I've stopped 26 spam messages. You can too! | One month FREE spam protection at http://www.cloudmark.com/spamnetsig/ | | I've stopped 201 spam messages. You can too! | One month FREE spam protection at http://www.cloudmark.com/spamnetsig/ | | | -----Original Message----- | From: Linda Haas Davenport [mailto:lhaasdav@cox.net] | Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 4:44 PM | To: DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com | Subject: [DMU] Thanks to all of you who helped | | | I presented my seminar on land records and the examples were | a great hit with the audience. To all of you who so kindly shared your | metes & bounds plots with me I wish to share the many Thank You's I | received after the presentation. | | Thanks to all of you. | | Linda | homepage: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas | MarionCoAR: http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion/ | TulsaCoOK: http://www.rootsweb.com/~oktulsa2 | | | | | | ==== DEED-MAPPER-USERS Mailing List ==== | Send all messages and replies to <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com>. | | ============================== | Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration | Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. | http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid= 1237 | | | ==== DEED-MAPPER-USERS Mailing List ==== | Send all messages and replies to <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com>. | | ============================== | Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration | Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. | http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid= 1237 | | ==== DEED-MAPPER-USERS Mailing List ==== To un-subscribe from DEED-MAPPER-USERS-D (in DIGEST mode), send a message to <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-D-request@rootsweb.com> with just the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes)in the text and turn off your signature. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi Dale: As for tracking the property by owners - perhaps I wasn't clear. You must move through the deed indexes name by name - from seller to buyer to seller, etc. I've never yet researched in a metes & bounds state that lists any type of legal description in the indexes - once again I'm not saying there aren't some out there but out of 8 or 10 states I've searched in I've never seen anything except names. It's the public domain states that have tract books with legals. Linda > > From: D Cordner <dacordner@yahoo.com> > Date: 2004/03/03 Wed AM 10:57:23 EST > To: DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DMU] Thanks to all of you who helped > > I've also had success writing a form letter to title search companies in the county. Sometimes they can provide you with an link to a county property tax map for not too much money. In township range counties in east KY I was able to get 2 or 3 for about $30 each. > > Linda is suggesting you do your own property tax search, that works well if the deed books are indexed for multiple years and/or a property description is included in the index. > dale > > Linda Haas Davenport <lhaasdav@cox.net> wrote: > The only way I have ever been able to locate property in > metes & bounds states is to track the property from owner to > owner. When I'm at the current owner I ask the Property Tax > Assessors' office where the property is located on the > present platt of the county. You can use the deed indexes to > track owner to owner. > > As for the court records - if you mean the land records see > above. If you mean other types of records it depends on what > type of record you are interested in. Things like land > records, marriages, wills, probate, etc., etc., usually have > indexes and you should consult those first. > > Linda > homepage: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > MarionCoAR: http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion/ > TulsaCoOK: http://www.rootsweb.com/~oktulsa2 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Annette Towler" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 8:25 PM > Subject: RE: [DMU] Thanks to all of you who helped > > > | Does anyone have any clues as to how to transfer KY meets > and bounds > | records to actual finding the property in the county? > Campbell Co., KY > | > | I know by census records etcs it is by Cold Spring, > Campbell Co., KY but > | how do I translate this to finding the court records. > Any hints would > | be great. Thank you > | > | Annette DeCourcy Towler > | Home page for DeCourcy & Pack > | http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~decourcy/ > | Web page for St. Cloud Area Genealogists, Inc. > | http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnscag/SCAG/index.htm > | Family Researching in SE KY PACK, CHANDLER, WHEELER, > | FAIRCHILD,LeMASTERS, RAMEY,MILLER/MILAM/MILLAM, JAYNE, > McSPADDEN > | Researching in NE KY DeCOURCY, ELLIS, BALL, MAINS, LEWIS, > EVANS, > | SPILMAN, > | HUTCHINS, HAMILTON > | Researching in PA, IL WESSLING, SOMERS, SCHULER, PLAGGEE > | > | > | > | I've stopped 26 spam messages. You can too! > | One month FREE spam protection at > http://www.cloudmark.com/spamnetsig/ > | > | I've stopped 201 spam messages. 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To all of you who so kindly > shared your > | metes & bounds plots with me I wish to share the many > Thank You's I > | received after the presentation. > | > | Thanks to all of you. > | > | Linda > | homepage: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > | MarionCoAR: http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion/ > | TulsaCoOK: http://www.rootsweb.com/~oktulsa2 > | > | > | > | > | > | ==== DEED-MAPPER-USERS Mailing List ==== > | Send all messages and replies to > . > | > | ============================== > | Gain access to over two billion names including the new > Immigration > | Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to > learn more. > | > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid= > 1237 > | > | > | ==== DEED-MAPPER-USERS Mailing List ==== > | Send all messages and replies to > . > | > | ============================== > | Gain access to over two billion names including the new > Immigration > | Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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Ellen, What parts of WashingtonCo have you been working in? And how far back have you gone? I'm interested in the beginning (1782) as my ancestor, John Robb, was one of the first settlers, and have a copy of the original patent map for his township which I hope to fill in some time working forward from the earliest deed books. I have used this method extensively down here in the Valley of Virginia where I live. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellen" <fec33@earthlink.net> To: <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:04 AM Subject: [DMU] Kentucky metes and bounds > Hi Annette and Listers, > > I have found that the appearance of the plot is often a perfect match, or > at least mighty close, to the outlines of one parcel or a cluster of > parcels on a modern tax plat map. I've done this for 2 counties in > Pennsylvania. I would imagine that it wouldn't work in one of the states > with Range, Section, and Quarter layout. I find that Penn State's library > (near my home) has the plat books for most counties in PA. You might find a > similar collection in other large university or state libraries. > > Once you can correlate the old plot to a modern one, you can follow up via > the tax office for owner, or other similar sources, and then find that > person's street address...... This also will allow you to place the plot on > a standard modern map such as a contour map. > > The 2 counties where I found this true were: Centre Co, Penna; and > Washington Co, Penna. When I did those counties, I was using Black Oak > Mapper, which is no longer available. It's a very streamlined package that > is similar to DeedMapper and was designed for DOS use. It would not allow > you to place several plots on one screen page or hard copy page. However, > you could save as a graphic file and then import into another piece of > software and put several together. That was the dark ages of land plotting, > and DeedMapper is the present day! > > Ellen > > At 08:00 PM 3/2/2004 -0700, you wrote: > >DEED-MAPPER-USERS-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 13 > > > >Today's Topics: > > #1 RE: [DMU] Thanks to all of you who ["Annette Towler" > > <annettedt@mn.ast] > > > >______________________________X-Message: #1 > >Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 20:25:33 -0600 > >From: "Annette Towler" <annettedt@mn.astound.net> > >To: DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com > >Message-ID: <003601c3fffd$a3ac1b40$6401a8c0@nettieuo51ethj> > >Subject: RE: [DMU] Thanks to all of you who helped > >Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset="US-ASCII" > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > >Does anyone have any clues as to how to transfer KY meets and bounds > >records to actual finding the property in the county? Campbell Co., KY > > > >I know by census records etcs it is by Cold Spring, Campbell Co., KY but > >how do I translate this to finding the court records. Any hints would > >be great. Thank you > > > >Annette DeCourcy Towler > >Home page for DeCourcy & Pack > >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~decourcy/ > >Web page for St. Cloud Area Genealogists, Inc. > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnscag/SCAG/index.htm > >Family Researching in SE KY PACK, CHANDLER, WHEELER, > >FAIRCHILD,LeMASTERS, RAMEY,MILLER/MILAM/MILLAM, JAYNE, McSPADDEN > >Researching in NE KY DeCOURCY, ELLIS, BALL, MAINS, LEWIS, EVANS, > >SPILMAN, > >HUTCHINS, HAMILTON > >Researching in PA, IL WESSLING, SOMERS, SCHULER, PLAGGEE > > > > > > > ==== DEED-MAPPER-USERS Mailing List ==== > To un-subscribe from DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L (in MAIL mode), send a message to <DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L-request@rootsweb.com> with just the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes)in the text and turn off your signature. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Annette and Listers, I have found that the appearance of the plot is often a perfect match, or at least mighty close, to the outlines of one parcel or a cluster of parcels on a modern tax plat map. I've done this for 2 counties in Pennsylvania. I would imagine that it wouldn't work in one of the states with Range, Section, and Quarter layout. I find that Penn State's library (near my home) has the plat books for most counties in PA. You might find a similar collection in other large university or state libraries. Once you can correlate the old plot to a modern one, you can follow up via the tax office for owner, or other similar sources, and then find that person's street address...... This also will allow you to place the plot on a standard modern map such as a contour map. The 2 counties where I found this true were: Centre Co, Penna; and Washington Co, Penna. When I did those counties, I was using Black Oak Mapper, which is no longer available. It's a very streamlined package that is similar to DeedMapper and was designed for DOS use. It would not allow you to place several plots on one screen page or hard copy page. However, you could save as a graphic file and then import into another piece of software and put several together. That was the dark ages of land plotting, and DeedMapper is the present day! Ellen At 08:00 PM 3/2/2004 -0700, you wrote: >DEED-MAPPER-USERS-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 13 > >Today's Topics: > #1 RE: [DMU] Thanks to all of you who ["Annette Towler" > <annettedt@mn.ast] > >______________________________X-Message: #1 >Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 20:25:33 -0600 >From: "Annette Towler" <annettedt@mn.astound.net> >To: DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <003601c3fffd$a3ac1b40$6401a8c0@nettieuo51ethj> >Subject: RE: [DMU] Thanks to all of you who helped >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Does anyone have any clues as to how to transfer KY meets and bounds >records to actual finding the property in the county? Campbell Co., KY > >I know by census records etcs it is by Cold Spring, Campbell Co., KY but >how do I translate this to finding the court records. Any hints would >be great. Thank you > >Annette DeCourcy Towler >Home page for DeCourcy & Pack >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~decourcy/ >Web page for St. Cloud Area Genealogists, Inc. >http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnscag/SCAG/index.htm >Family Researching in SE KY PACK, CHANDLER, WHEELER, >FAIRCHILD,LeMASTERS, RAMEY,MILLER/MILAM/MILLAM, JAYNE, McSPADDEN >Researching in NE KY DeCOURCY, ELLIS, BALL, MAINS, LEWIS, EVANS, >SPILMAN, >HUTCHINS, HAMILTON >Researching in PA, IL WESSLING, SOMERS, SCHULER, PLAGGEE > >

I've also had success writing a form letter to title search companies in the county. Sometimes they can provide you with an link to a county property tax map for not too much money. In township range counties in east KY I was able to get 2 or 3 for about $30 each. Linda is suggesting you do your own property tax search, that works well if the deed books are indexed for multiple years and/or a property description is included in the index. dale Linda Haas Davenport <lhaasdav@cox.net> wrote: The only way I have ever been able to locate property in metes & bounds states is to track the property from owner to owner. When I'm at the current owner I ask the Property Tax Assessors' office where the property is located on the present platt of the county. You can use the deed indexes to track owner to owner. As for the court records - if you mean the land records see above. If you mean other types of records it depends on what type of record you are interested in. Things like land records, marriages, wills, probate, etc., etc., usually have indexes and you should consult those first. Linda homepage: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas MarionCoAR: http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion/ TulsaCoOK: http://www.rootsweb.com/~oktulsa2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Annette Towler" To: Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 8:25 PM Subject: RE: [DMU] Thanks to all of you who helped | Does anyone have any clues as to how to transfer KY meets and bounds | records to actual finding the property in the county? Campbell Co., KY | | I know by census records etcs it is by Cold Spring, Campbell Co., KY but | how do I translate this to finding the court records. Any hints would | be great. Thank you | | Annette DeCourcy Towler | Home page for DeCourcy & Pack | http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~decourcy/ | Web page for St. Cloud Area Genealogists, Inc. | http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnscag/SCAG/index.htm | Family Researching in SE KY PACK, CHANDLER, WHEELER, | FAIRCHILD,LeMASTERS, RAMEY,MILLER/MILAM/MILLAM, JAYNE, McSPADDEN | Researching in NE KY DeCOURCY, ELLIS, BALL, MAINS, LEWIS, EVANS, | SPILMAN, | HUTCHINS, HAMILTON | Researching in PA, IL WESSLING, SOMERS, SCHULER, PLAGGEE | | | | I've stopped 26 spam messages. You can too! | One month FREE spam protection at http://www.cloudmark.com/spamnetsig/ | | I've stopped 201 spam messages. You can too! | One month FREE spam protection at http://www.cloudmark.com/spamnetsig/ | | | -----Original Message----- | From: Linda Haas Davenport [mailto:lhaasdav@cox.net] | Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 4:44 PM | To: DEED-MAPPER-USERS-L@rootsweb.com | Subject: [DMU] Thanks to all of you who helped | | | I presented my seminar on land records and the examples were | a great hit with the audience. To all of you who so kindly shared your | metes & bounds plots with me I wish to share the many Thank You's I | received after the presentation. | | Thanks to all of you. | | Linda | homepage: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas | MarionCoAR: http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion/ | TulsaCoOK: http://www.rootsweb.com/~oktulsa2 | | | | | | ==== DEED-MAPPER-USERS Mailing List ==== | Send all messages and replies to . | | ============================== | Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration | Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. | http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid= 1237 | | | ==== DEED-MAPPER-USERS Mailing List ==== | Send all messages and replies to . | | ============================== | Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration | Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. | http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid= 1237 | | ==== DEED-MAPPER-USERS Mailing List ==== To un-subscribe from DEED-MAPPER-USERS-D (in DIGEST mode), send a message to with just the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes)in the text and turn off your signature. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you�re looking for faster.