I do so appreciate the time Mr. Guffin and Mr. Davenport have taken to enrich my understanding and list of known relative. I think what I have done is undertke to search too many of my lines and have not been thorough enough. I do value such assistance in my search. ( I really play too much golf to spend much time online or digging... but at 71 I feel my time is limited on the linnks and THEN-- I go "roots" hunting. Thank you and others, too, who post and give liberally to all of us. Carolyn Clements