ann graham, thanks for the kick in the butt. patience is definately not one of my virtues... time has been against me as far as going to any decent libraries. my local (NY) area doesn't carry any Pa genealogy info. thanks again ***************************** margobelle, thanks to you for looking - see, i told you there was nothing. :) the 1820 census is spelled correctly, and the info i get from thomas kocher is for Humphry Davenport. family pictures and notes say Salathil and Susan Lyons are Alma's parents. i will check with the Luzerne Cty society, though. And lastly, you did give me some info on Thomas that i didn't know about. thank you Again thank you both, Merry Ann