Elaine: Whitley Davenport, of California, is compiling data for the WCV Davenports, which will be Part IV of the Further Pamunkey Davenport Chronicles. His e-mail address is per cc this message. Doc

PAMUNKEY DAVENPORTS & OTHERS INTERESTED: From time to time we come across observations concerning our ancestors which provide us with a view of how others have seen us. Beth Collins, our Georgia researcher, has sent us this excerpt of the memoirs of a Mr. Gilmer, "The First Settlers of Upper Georgia." "Margaret Harvie married John Devenport, who belonged to a numerous family, most of whom were in the habit of fudding their very good intellects by drinking whiskey. John was, to his credit, a sober, industrious man, who made a good estate. His chief merit was to be found in his success in marrying a wife of the most admirable qualities." "Fudding," my Webster's says, is 'to confuse or stupify as with alcoholic liquor," another way of saying "befuddle." This particular observation is not unique to Pamunkeys South of the Mason-Dixon. Several Pamunkeys who ended up North of the Ohio River were remembered for their dexterity in drinking their ways through their crops, then their farms. We would note that Mr. Gilmer was speaking of Georgia Pamunkeys who we regard as having been those of us who evolved from Virginia Commoners to Georgia elite. John Davenport, whom Gilmer credited with having only the good judgment to marry a Harvie, was a man of substance--started with nothing and left a substantial estate to an adopted son, who did not take the Davenport name, but did embrace our drinking propensity. Despite being slightly disabled by his service in the Virginia Continental Line at the Battle of Brandywine, John served many years as a Justice of the Peace and Magistrate. Having left no issue of his own, Gilmer's canard concerning John has heretofore has gone unchallenged. As to the Alcoholism of the Georgia Pamunkeys, there are ample descendants available to address that portrayal. Henry Gambill, Jr., son of Henry, Sr., and Mary Davenport, eldest daughter of Martin Davenport, Sr., was a Master Millwright, who took the apprenticeships of Jack Smith Davenport (son of John, Sr, the Bankrupt), Jouett Davenport (eldest son of James, Sr., who died in Ogelthorpe County, Georgia), William Davenport (fourth son of James, Sr.), and possibly Jesse Davenport (fifth son of James, Sr.). Henry, Jr., was both an uncle and a first cousin to his apprentices Jouett, William, and Jesse Davenport. He was a first cousin because his Mother and James Davenport, Sr., were sister and brother. He was an uncle because his wife, Catherine Jouett, was a younger sister of James, Sr.'s wife, Frances Jouett. All of that being said, we note that when Henry, Sr., moved from Louisa to Culpeper County in the early 1750s (then onto South Carolina in the early 1760s where he soon died), Henry, Jr., either remained in or went back to Louisa, where he shared in the abundant Jouett lands and wealth, had a thriving construction business, and like his brother-in-law John "Jack" Jouett next door, ran an ordinary (tavern). When, in the later years of the Revolution, Jouett moved to Charlottesville in Albemarle County, a thirty-five mile relocation west, Henry sold out in Louisa and went with him. There, Henry bit off more than he could chew. He undertook to build a new Jail and repair the Court House. Never, in all of my reading of old court records, have I come across a castigation of a contractor as appears in Albemarle Court minutes relative to Henry Gambill's workmanship in building that new Jail. From "The Further Chronicles.," to wit: 14Mar1784 – Scathing Report on Construction Inspection: “The Committee appointed to report on the work done on the County Prison recommended that the same not be received (to wit): ‘We the subscribers being appointed to superintend the building of the prison undertaken by Henry Gambill do report as follows, viz, that the studs are not doweled, that the framing except the sills and lower floor are ruined timber, that the joists of the two upper floors [are] of poor workmanship and framing, [that] weather boarding and shingles [are] inefficiently done, and we think there appears to be [?] in respect to the nailing on the facing and flooring planks, [that] the brick work [is] very badly executed. Work Extraordinary [needed] on Windows, water shelters, the lintels and door parts [illegible] Twelve Inches apart, and the sides braced. Under our hand, 12 March 1784. /s/ Nicholas Lewis, James Kerr. (Albemarle County, VA, Courts Orders, 1783-1785, 124) This was followed by: 8Apr1784 – Bad Construction Remedy: “On consideration of the report of the Gentlemen appointed to supervise the building of the prison, the Court is of the opinion that the prison be received upon these terms, to wit: that the undertaker Henry Gambill do give bond and security to refund any sum of money to the Court that be adjudged for [his] not complying with the plan of the prison as foresaid, [that he] finish the repairs of the Court House agreeably to the first & original contract by June Court next, and it be considered [that] Nathaniel Anderson, Rezin Porter, and William Rogers, or any three, do settle the price of the deficiency of the prison as it now is, and what it ought to have been by the original plan, and make repair thereof. The said Henry Gambill came into Court with Thomas Jones, his security, and acknowledged themselves justly indebted to Nicholas Lewis, John Marks, James Kerr and Henry Burk, Gentlemen, for the just sum of Two Hundred Pounds, Virginia money, to be levied on their goods & chattel, lands and tenements, rendered upon contracts that the said Henry Gambill do fully comply with the aforesaid Order of the Court.” (Albemarle County, VA, Court Orders, 1783-85, 142) Apparently Henry Gambill also had the contract to repair the Court House and was having troubles on that job also. This was a tough, but just solution, and boded bankruptcy for Henry and his bondsman if he did not complete Court House contract within the following two months and/or did not virtually redo all of his work and materials on the County Prison concurrently with the Court House. It was not a good year for Henry. He was also indicted by the Grand Jury for retailing liquor without a license, then indicted, along with Richard Davenport [likely Jr.], subsequently for gaming. Richard was the son of Richard, Sr., shortly hereafter moved to Georgia, but returned to Albemarle County when Richard, Sr., died in 1792. Henry Gambill played an important role in 18th Century Pamunkey Davenport history for he battled David Davenport, his uncle, both in Louisa and Cumberland, in a suit and counter suit that continued for seven years, was associated with John, Sr., the Bankrupt and Jack Smith Davenport in Louisa, had the master-apprentice relationship with the sons of James, Sr., gambled with Richard, Jr., and was associated in land conveyances in Albemarle with William and Thomas, sons of William, Sr., of Spotsylvania. Plus, he had the long running (thirty or so years) relationship with William and/or Jesse, sons of James, Sr., in Albemarle. Henry's reputation as builder was destroyed by the Court's appraisal of his workmanship on the Jail and Court House, and his profile in Albemarle County dropped steadily thereafter. His tavernkeeping days were soon ended. He was apparently a charity case by the mid-1790s when the Court appointed him "Inspector of Flour" for the Town of Milton (now long gone), a public position encountered nowhere else either in time or place. It was no joke, for Henry appeared in Court and qualified by oath. He had been off the tax list for more than ten years when he died without a probate in 1813. A bit of family history, not heretofore displayed. John Scott Davenport Holmdel, NJ

PAMUNKEY DAVENPORTS & OTHERS INTERESTED: Nevada Jack and Judy will soon have a working copy of the First Five/Six Generations from Davis Davenport available for your view on the Internet. Jack will tell you when. The Working Copy is far from finished, will require your help to flesh out your lines. You will be able to inspect the Five/Six Generations as far as I could take them, whereupon you should send corrections and additions to Judy Russell, editor of The Further Pamunkey Chronicles. Judy, _jgr@russell.com_ (mailto:jgr@russell.com) , will make the necessary changes on the Master Copy, transmit a copy of the updated version to Jack, who will replace the Internet version with the new version. Judy will release the updates as often as she deems necessary. Jack will advise via Rootsweb when an updated version has been posted. I have taken the Five/Six Generations project to the point where it is has become a bigger task than I can manage while finishing the Chronicles, and we recognize the constant solicitation by various family members to make the Family Chart available. This now becomes as much your project as it has been ours. You will find a new arrangement of the children of Davis Davenport, a number of additions and several deletions, for many lines were missed or misidentified by earlier Davenport searchers. The additions far exceed the deletions, for we have found at least one heretofore missing child or line in virtually all of the early families. John Scott Davenport Holmdel, NJ

I am descended from Henry Gambill and Mary Davenport (daughter of Martin Davenport) through their son, John. Their eldest son, William, born ca 1730 in Hanover Co, Virginia, married Mary Wash, daughter (I believe) of Thomas Wash and Mary Lipscomb. Their son John born ca 1736 married a "Caty" (possibly Catherine). I have heard it suggested that she may also have been a WASH daughter. Children included: John, Benjamin, William, Henry, Sarah, Frances (Franky), Susannah, and Mary. Does anyone have any information to confirm or deny that Caty was a WASH? And if she were a WASH, does anyone have any information on her parents and siblings? Thanks for your help, Carol

Thanks for the info, Bonnie. It was a wonderful article on a Davenport family with the determination to make it on their own using their own resources! I'm sure that's how most of our Davenports, as well as other families, helped form this great land and secure a place in it for those of us who followed. I checked my Davenport files, but my John and Lucy combos were brothers and sisters, not husbands and wives. They settled in the Newberry, SC area. Good luck on your hunt for their ancestors....maybe our Davenport paths will yet cross! Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: Deja & Bonnie<mailto:deja@net-link.net> To: JANE MONROE<mailto:utrainbow@msn.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [DAVENPORT] Look this up if you would please.... Hello Jane, The family is my husbands. That is his father and sister who are shown in the pictures. As far as who this Davenport family connect back to, we don't have a clue. We go back to John & Lucy Davenport......John born in Bedford County, VA. Bonnie ----- Original Message ----- From: JANE MONROE<mailto:utrainbow@msn.com> To: DAVENPORT-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:DAVENPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 1:03 PM Subject: Fw: [DAVENPORT] Look this up if you would please.... Does anyone know which family of Davenports these people belong to? I also saw this article in our newspaper on Sunday and clipped it. Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: EChamb6269@aol.com<mailto:EChamb6269@aol.com<mailto:EChamb6269@aol.com<mailto:EChamb6269@aol.com>> To: DAVENPORT-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:DAVENPORT-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:DAVENPORT-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:DAVENPORT-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 3:30 AM Subject: Re: [DAVENPORT] Look this up if you would please.... I COPIED AND PASTED THIS ARTICLE IN THIS EMAIL, THESE DAVENPORTS ARE NOT MY LINE, BUT THOUGHT THE STORY INTERESTING, THIS MAKES IT A LITTLE EASY TO READ , INSTEAD OF HAVING TO REGISTER FOR THE NEWSPAPER--- THANKS ELAINE This photo is provided by Colleen Davenport-Taylor, shows her at her family farm outside Saltville, Va., in 1962 with a brother in the background. Davenport-Taylor, now 61, is the daughter of the mountain man Homer Davenport, who died at age 91 in Oct. 2003. (AP Photo/Cal Woodward) ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx>> ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx> _____________________________________________________ This message scanned for viruses by CoreComm

Yes, Homer, from the article, is the father of Deja Davenport. Deja posted the original Washington Post link. The line is: John Davenport (b.1765 Bedford County, Virginia) > Isham (b.1805) > William (b.1841) > Randolph (b.1867) > Homer (b.1912) The DNA results indicate he is not related to any of the major Davenport lines tested so far. Bill Davenport _wbdave@aol.com_ (mailto:wbdave@aol.com) ----------------------- In a message dated 9/7/2005 1:04:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, utrainbow@msn.com writes: Does anyone know which family of Davenports these people belong to? I also saw this article in our newspaper on Sunday and clipped it. www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/31/AR2005083100304.html

Does anyone know which family of Davenports these people belong to? I also saw this article in our newspaper on Sunday and clipped it. Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: EChamb6269@aol.com<mailto:EChamb6269@aol.com> To: DAVENPORT-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:DAVENPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 3:30 AM Subject: Re: [DAVENPORT] Look this up if you would please.... I COPIED AND PASTED THIS ARTICLE IN THIS EMAIL, THESE DAVENPORTS ARE NOT MY LINE, BUT THOUGHT THE STORY INTERESTING, THIS MAKES IT A LITTLE EASY TO READ , INSTEAD OF HAVING TO REGISTER FOR THE NEWSPAPER--- THANKS ELAINE This photo is provided by Colleen Davenport-Taylor, shows her at her family farm outside Saltville, Va., in 1962 with a brother in the background. Davenport-Taylor, now 61, is the daughter of the mountain man Homer Davenport, who died at age 91 in Oct. 2003. (AP Photo/Cal Woodward) ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx>

Deja and Bonnie accidently left a space in the Washington Post address. Click below. It's worth it. Cliff Davenport Mill City, OR > >> www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/31/AR2005083100304.html >> >> >>

I COPIED AND PASTED THIS ARTICLE IN THIS EMAIL, THESE DAVENPORTS ARE NOT MY LINE, BUT THOUGHT THE STORY INTERESTING, THIS MAKES IT A LITTLE EASY TO READ , INSTEAD OF HAVING TO REGISTER FOR THE NEWSPAPER--- THANKS ELAINE This photo is provided by Colleen Davenport-Taylor, shows her at her family farm outside Saltville, Va., in 1962 with a brother in the background. Davenport-Taylor, now 61, is the daughter of the mountain man Homer Davenport, who died at age 91 in Oct. 2003. (AP Photo/Cal Woodward) SALTVILLE, Va. -- As a shepherd girl, Colleen Davenport would step outside her mountain cabin on a clear night and drink in a view that was all her own. "You can see all those valleys," she remembers more than 40 years later. "At night you look down through there and you can see the lights a-shining like diamonds down there in the dark." She might as well have been looking at the stars above. The town below was practically as foreign to her as the galaxy. "It was a pretty sight to see. You just was glad you weren't down there with them. I never cared much for towns." Three generations of Davenports lived on that mountain and came off it, at different times, for different reasons, and for the most part not willingly. In doing so, they helped close a chapter that once defined Appalachia and other remote reaches of the United States. It's about mountain men and their families who lived beyond the reach of fellow man, disdaining an outside world that considered them dirt poor if it considered them at all. The patriarch, Homer Davenport, a sinewy man with a shock of white hair and bushy beard, was a striking figure. In a photo of him crouching to pick apples, he looks like Moses. In other shots, he looks wild. Father of five boys and Colleen, 61, Homer pitched hay with a fork, milled wheat into flour, turned animal skin to leather in his tannery, boiled cane into molasses, raised fat turnips from the rich soil, shot a man dead who shot him, read to his children until he fell asleep in his stiff-backed chair, made a kind of bread from cattail roots. His health care plan was found in his garden and in the wild, where plants became remedies. And when he took a chunk out of his leg with a chain saw in his elder years and was talked into getting stitches, he blamed the sewing job, not the injury, for the bother he felt in his limb for the rest of his life. When he died in October 2003 at 91, the spray on his casket was made from the bounty of his land _ ferns, wheat, hickory nuts. As much as he wanted to be left alone, the modern world came calling. Once it was in the form of Peter Jenkins, a sojourner who crossed the country on foot, encountered Davenport and wrote about him in his book "A Walk Across America." Although a sympathetic portrait, the account brought unwanted attention, and for years all sorts of people trooped up to Red Rock Cove to see Homer Davenport and his family's rugged one-room cabin with an attached kitchen shed. "He brought in the outside world," said Ruth Davenport, Homer's daughter-in-law. "After him, it seemed they came in streams." Today his kin remember their years up on Red Rock Cove in an idyllic haze. Even the youngest, accustomed now to cell phones, e-mail and normal jobs, say they wish sometimes they could go back to that life of solitude and simplicity. ___ "My father was always on the land, he was raised on it and when he grew up that's what he wanted to do," Colleen said, sitting on the front porch of her modest old house a few miles from the Poor Valley farm where the Davenports lived when they weren't at Red Rock. "And of course my mother was raised on the land too so she was willing to do it with him. She had no problem being a farmer's wife. He bought the valley farm, which was around 100 acres. He bought it back in the '30s during the Depression and started farming it. He rented some pasture here and yonder." Then he purchased the upland acres, a steep 90-minute walk from the farm, and sent her there alone to tend sheep in her late teens. For months at a time, she lived in a tiny mountain cabin that sat on the property years before the Red Rock home was built. "At age 18 I didn't care anything about the rest of the world," she said. "I didn't want to get out into the rest of the world. It was not appealing. There was too much trouble. "At times I thought I'd want something better but when I went back up there to herd the sheep I knew there wasn't anything better. "I had a little garden. Every other day, until I got a milk goat, I'd walk down to the farm to get a gallon of milk, sit it in that cold mountain spring." The family needed to go to town for very little, not much more than clothes, baking soda, salt and canned condensed milk for baking. When Homer's wife, Marie, sold tobacco in the fall, she'd buy luxury items such as mixed nuts and tangerines. Life wasn't always peaceful. Caught up in a "love triangle," Homer gunned down a man who shot him in the side or stomach, Colleen said, relating an event from "before my time." She said her father, who had occasional brushes with the law, spent 18 months behind bars for the shooting. One year, her dad gave his daughter a birthday gift she cherished _ empty envelopes. "He had these little tiny envelopes, a whole stack of them somebody had given him. He brought them little envelopes and told me they were for my birthday. "I was so pleased, and I had a lot of fun with them. I'd put little things in them." She would stuff the envelopes with pictures she cut out from the Sears catalog. She left in her mid-20s, to marry, raise her own family and farm in the valley. ___ When Homer got too old to live at Red Rock, he moved down to the farm. His son Dusty, Dusty's wife, Ruth, and their young children relocated to the mountain, spending about seven years there. Unlike the Davenports, Dusty's wife had grown up with electricity, TV and the rest. Ruth said she didn't miss any of that. In October 1991, at age 41, Dusty dropped dead of a heart attack. "He worked all day that day," Ruth said. "It was a beautiful day, gathered apples, gathered pumpkins, we cut the last of the corn. I was cooking supper and I was talking to him through the opening there in the kitchen shed and he went on around the edge of the shed where I couldn't see him. "All at once the kids started laughing and I said what's going on, and they said Daddy's just carrying on, the way he always does. I went on with supper. I went out and looked at him and he had already turned blue." With Dusty's death, Ruth and her four children came down the mountain and moved in with her mother. "I haven't even had a garden since I lived up there," she said. Jessica, the eldest, was 12 when her dad died. She said of the mountain life, "I loved it. I would love to live at least somewhat similar even to this day." She and her sisters Summer and Beverly were up before dawn to milk the cows and penned the sheep at night. They remembered their little brother Cam, who was born at Red Rock, careering down a slope in an old bathtub and riding goats. Their mother home-schooled them even when they settled in the low country. Beverly, 4 when the family moved up, just shy of 11 coming down, said it was strange having neighbors all of a sudden. "We didn't even know how cruel people could be. We were totally shut off from everything that was bad. When we moved off, it was just like shell shock." They remembered the time at Red Rock when a church group came up, bringing provisions and toys. The group meant well but the family was quietly insulted. The Davenports felt rich. They could just have easily brought charity down the mountain, bearing fat turnips and onions for the washed masses below. ___ On the Net: Audio and photos are available at: http://wid.ap.org/series/roads/mountain.html

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ content/article/2005/08/31/AR2005083100304.html Hello..... I wanted to send this in a manner that you could just click it and look it up, but sure don't know how to do that.... Anyway..... You can either copy this to look it up, or using Google, look up 'Colleen Davenport' and you'll find this as well as many other 'lookups'. Someone from the associated press did a article about the family and its quite interesting. If you follow it through you can see pictures and hear audio of Deja's sister talking. I'd like to be able to copy it onto a CD but don't know how....... PHIL....... is this something you'd know how to do..... if so, would you?

I have been trying to contact Beth Collins of Athens Georgia at collinscorner@email.msn.com. My mail keeps being returned as undeliverable at this address. If anyone has a more current address for Beth Collins, please let me know. Mary Lou Midkiff

The results of a several more tests for the Davenport DNA Surname Project have arrived. We are trying to get DNA samples from all of the branches of the various Davenport lines around the world to see how we are related. For more information and to see the results go to http://www.DavenportDNA.com So far we have 74 participants with complete results in for 69. ---------------------- The first results belong to kit # 35200 who traces his ancestry back to Clayborne Davenport (1759-1842). He believed Clayborne was a Pamunkey, a descendent of Davis Davenport of King William County, Virginia. He ordered the 12 marker test and this was enough to help verify he was a Pamunkey. It was an exact 12/12 match. The next step is to find where Clayborne fits into the Pamunkey line. ---------------------- The next participant, kit # 35696, is a Thomas of Dorchester descendent. Thomas (~1604-1685) > Jonathan > Thomas > Oliver > etc... The Thomas line is well represented in the DNA Project. Thomas had four sons that produced offspring. We now have descendents of three of them, representing five different grandsons. We try to get this variety, Y-DNA from multiple branches, to help verify what the original Y-DNA looks like. #35696 took the 25 marker test and matches exactly 25/25 the other Thomas descendents. ---------------------- Kit #36674 belongs to a descendent of Fortunatus Davenport ( b.1738 Forrham Parish, Virginia). The line then goes: Joseph Pope Davenport > Shadrack > Joseph > Nicodemus > etc.. (I would suspect there are not to many other Davenport lines with these unique names!). There is strong evidence indicating Fortunatus was the son of William Davenport (1708-1771) of Lancaster County, Virginia. William was, using Doc's terminology, a Tidewater Davenport. One of Davenports who first appeared in the Lower Northern Neck of Colonial Virginia. So we now have our first Tidewater participant. He does not match any other Davenport lines, including the nearby Pamunkeys. However, he does match two other participants. Kits # 7575 and 30234 both track their ancestors back to William Davenport (1755-1847) of Pitt County, North Carolina. Now we know they have a common ancestor with the Tidewaters. Just have to find out where. ---------------------- The next participant, # 37361, traces back to Stephen Davenport who was born about 1803 and married in 1850 in South Carolina. Stephen's father is suspected to be William Dabenport, one of three Dabenport brothers coming from Ireland to settle in the United States. The line goes: Stephen > Charles > Samuel > Olan > etc.. Before testing, # 37361 believed he shared a common ancestor (Stephen) with another participant - # 25163, who also matched the Newberrys. It turns out they had an exact 25/25 marker match. This doesn't prove they both descend from Stephen, only the paper genealogy can do that, but it certainly reinforces it. Both individuals need to work with the Newberry researchers to find a connection since we now have a new spelling, Dabenport, coming from Ireland. ---------------------- Kit # 38294 can trace his line back to George Davenport (b. abt 1802) of South Carolina. George (~1802) > George Hewlett (1838-1917) > William > John > etc.. The line moved from South Carolina, to Alabama, Mississippi, and then Texas. As it turns out, he is definitely a Pamunkey. He matches the others 35/37. The difference on two markers should eventually help us pinpoint a branch. We can't do it right now because we don't have enough documented Pamunkeys to compare to. ---------------------- And now for a teaser for those whose Davenports go back to England. The results for another Cheshire Davenport should be coming in shortly. His ancestors resided at Marton, Swettenham parish. We also have our first Bromley Davenport. His results are due the end of September. The Bromley Davenports have occupied Capesthorne Manor for almost 300 years and trace back to Ormus. We have a lot of anxious researchers waiting for these results. ---------------------- This and all previous reports can be seen on the News page at >http://www.DavenportDNA.com If anyone would like to join the DNA project or has any questions please contact me. Bill Davenport Surname DNA Project Administrator >wbdave@aol.com

Sharon, what a terrific web site! You certainly put a lot of effort into creating it and it is so beautifully organized. I'm a Davenport researcher and know I connect to Humphrey through yDNA testing. My problem is that I can't get out of New Jersey. I've gotten back to the early 1800's on my line but that is my brick wall right now. Are you planning on connecting with NJ at any time. I know there is a connection but can't figure out where it is yet. Again, a great job! Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Elliott" <roger-sharon@witsend.org> To: <DAVENPORT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 12:46 AM Subject: [DAVENPORT] Davenport Web Site ~ Humphrey + others Hi all, I've recently put up a Web site of my research notes for Humphrey Davenport. Its focus is Humphrey but also includes other 17th-century Davenports. It contains abstracts of records from Barbados, New Amsterdam, London, and other locations. It goes without saying that this is a work in progress, but if you notice any errors or have any suggestions, please let me know. www.witsend.org/gen/Davenport Happy hunting, Sharon ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx __________ NOD32 1.1208 (20050902) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com

Hi all, I've recently put up a Web site of my research notes for Humphrey Davenport. Its focus is Humphrey but also includes other 17th-century Davenports. It contains abstracts of records from Barbados, New Amsterdam, London, and other locations. It goes without saying that this is a work in progress, but if you notice any errors or have any suggestions, please let me know. www.witsend.org/gen/Davenport Happy hunting, Sharon

Hi all, I've recently put up a Web site of my research notes for Humphrey Davenport. Its focus is Humphrey but also includes other 17th-century Davenports. It contains abstracts of records from Barbados, New Amsterdam, London, and other locations. It goes without saying that this is a work in progress, but if you notice any errors or have any suggestions, please let me know. Happy hunting, Sharon

I agree completely with JGR. Jerry Baker -----Original Message----- From: JG Russell [mailto:jgr@jgrussell.com] Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:19 PM To: DAVENPORT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DAVENPORT] Who Is A Pamunkey Davenport? Your Opinon Solicited. At 08:32 AM 9/1/2005, JSDDOC@aol.com wrote: > We have our opinion relative to eligibility for the Pamunkey >Clan, but what say you Pamunkeys? Those who are, by blood, marriage or affinity, are good enough for me. At some point, the degree of association makes a person family, even if the blood doesn't exactly. -- jgr

Doc, I believe you are the one to coin the phrase "Pamunkey Davenport". What was your original definition? For the Davenport Surname DNA Project I have been using "a descendent of Davis Davenport" as my definition of a Pamunkey. But, as it turns out, it's not quite that simple. So far we have these six variations: 1. Davenports with good documentation demonstrating "Pamunkehood" plus DNA matching others with Pamunkey documentation. 2. Davenports with good Pamunkey documentation, but who don't match other documented Pamunkeys. 3. Davenports who believe they are a Pamunkey, can't find a connection, but match the documented Pamunkeys. 4. Davenports who believe they are a Pamunkey, can't find a connection, and the DNA does not match documented Pamunkeys. 5. Davenports who believe they are a Pamunkey, but match another line. 6. Davenports who believe they are another line, but match the Pamunkeys. I could easily call #1, 3, and 6 a Pamunkey. Their DNA matches other known descendents of Davis. For #2, documented but doesn't match, there are a number of possibilities. This could be bad documentation, but more likely it is a "paternity event". Somewhere up the line the father was not who we believe it to be. There could have been an adoption, an affair, a name change, or whatever. There is always the possibility when we test the Y-DNA, that results will not be what we expect - and that is not necessarily a bad thing. Most people assume it means the mother had an affair. So to help dispel that notion I have the following link on the DNA webpage. >http://www.davenportdna.com/Paternity.htm Maybe not a Pamunkey by blood, but he still shares the Davenport name and heritage. #4, believes he is a Pamunkey, no connections, no DNA match - probably means - not a Pamunkey. Usually the believed Pamunkey connection is a "best guess" based on where an ancestor once lived. We have several project participants who do not match any Davenport lines tested so far. As the project grows, and we can document more lines, these "unknowns" may make a connection. This happened recently with the Tidewater Davenports. Of course, they could also make a connection with a "non-Davenport". For # 5, believes he is Pamunkey but matches another line. Obviously he is not a Pamunkey and needs to refocus his research on the other line. So as Forrest Gump might say "A Pamunkey is who a Pamunkey is". If someone has a long standing tradition that he is a descendent of Davis, I see no reason to change that belief unless his DNA specially matches another Davenport line. Otherwise it would be extremely difficult to try to pinpoint any paternity event and locate the new surname. Bill Davenport >wbdave@aol.com Davenport Surname DNA Project Administrator ---------------------- In a message dated 9/1/2005 8:33:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, JSDDOC@aol.com writes: PAMUNKEY DAVENPORTS AND OTHERS INTERESTED: Recent developments have brought to the fore the need to define who qualifies as a PAMUNKEY DAVENPORT, viz....

At 10:19 PM 9/1/2005, rabbit wrote: >An adopted person is family, but still not a descendant. Adopted persons are >legally Davenports, but not physically Davenports. What good are the DNA >projects if they are ignored when it is not convenient to inclusiveness? Perhaps a better question is: what is the purpose of genealogy? If it is merely to determine who is a lineal blood descendant of someone else, then we'd better find a way to eliminate all the spouses and stepchildren and adopted children and results of what are euphemistically called "paternity events" and the like. If on the other hand the purpose is to tell the history of a family, then inclusion should be the rule: those who acted like family should be treated like family. DNA testing can bring someone into a family who isn't known before to be part of the family. So it can serve a legitimate genealogical purpose (i.e. a family history purpose) to INCLUDE. But -- for genealogy (family history) purposes, if our purpose is to tell the story of a family -- it shouldn't be used to EXCLUDE someone who acted like family and was treated like family just because the blood results don't show it. I might note that the DNA results suggest a "paternity event" (usually an illegitimate child, if not an adoptee or stepchild who took the name), but I wouldn't exclude someone from the family on the basis of DNA alone. My interest is not descendancy, per se. It's in the family history. So, I repeat, I vote for inclusion: if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck and is treated as a duck by other ducks, it's a duck. -- jgr

At 08:32 AM 9/1/2005, JSDDOC@aol.com wrote: > We have our opinion relative to eligibility for the Pamunkey Clan, but >what say you Pamunkeys? Those who are, by blood, marriage or affinity, are good enough for me. At some point, the degree of association makes a person family, even if the blood doesn't exactly. -- jgr

An adopted person is family, but still not a descendant. Adopted persons are legally Davenports, but not physically Davenports. What good are the DNA projects if they are ignored when it is not convenient to inclusiveness? Jim Crownover-