The contributions and comments yesterday by many, including Bud, Teri, Bill, and Tim are gratefully appreciated. There is however one significant question that still needs to be answered. That question is: " How do we know that the Thomas Davenport born 1580 who married Mary Forth was the son of a William Davenport born 1563 who married Dorothy Warren? " Until that is answered, with reasonable assurance, there can be no truth to any claim that connects English and American Davenport families. I have a paper prepared after 1563 which details a prior Davenport lineage ending with a Sir William [Damport]of 1563, the son of the William Damport who married Margery Ashton.. No marriage or children for that William of 1563 are indicated nor is there evidence to support the possibility that the final William of this list was the father of the a Thomas who married Mary Forth [and fathered the one that married Mary Pitman]. Teri has said that the records she obtained from a Mr. Warren, a descendent in the Warren family that produced the Dorothy Warren who married William Davenport of 1563, can solve this linkage problem. I truly hope so,because, as of now, there is nothing in my files to prove any connection between Orme and Thomas of Dorchester. Bill has provided a statement from the will of a Thomas Dobson dated 1626 regarding a Thomas Davenport, the son of a Mary, but this may or may not be the Thomas who moved to Dorchester Mass, nor does it indicate even that he was closely related to the Bromhall clan! . Tim repeats material presented by the NEHGS but I believe the two Thomases referred to there, were our Thomas of Dorchester [senior] and Thomas [junior] his eldest son born 1645. If someone can set me straight I would be most thankful, Bob Davenport, San Diego

Gordon or Bud- Could you please post the list of companions of William The Conquerer? Teri

To Thomas of Dorchester and other Davenports from England researchers: The following appeared in the New England Historical Society Register January, 1887 Vol.41 page 61. Any comments? -------------- "Thomas Dobson, citizen and skinner of London, 13 September 1626, proved 30 May 1627, directs his body to be buried in the parish church of St. Michael Bassishawe, makes bequests to sundry people dwelling in Colman Street and to sundry ministers, among whom Mr. Davenport, minister at St Stevens in Colman Street. In a codicil of 11 November 1626 he revokes a bequest of ten pounds made in his Will to his sister Dobson, and bequests that sum to Thomas Davenport, a son of his neighbor Mrs. Mary Davenport, widow, to be paid to the mother for the use of the said Thomas Davenport. In another codicil, of 13 March 1626, he changes this bequest to one of ten pounds to the widow Davenport and ten pounds to her son Thomas." ------------- Note - in the last sentence - the date "13 March 1626 " seems be in conflict with the other "earlier" dates. Bill Davenport [email protected]

Hi all- Our source for Thomas is: Little Compton Families of Rhode Island Vol. I by Benjamin Franklin Wilbour Thomas b.1580 m. Mary Forth and Thomas b. 1615 m. Mary Pittman And you're right, I stand corrected. I omitted Robert & Alice Fitton (original spelling Fyton)....eye to finger coordination defect. I also stand corrected on the date I have on site for the crowning of William The Conquerer, it was indeed 1066 as per Doomsday I will modify my behavior........cuzzin Teri

Two well researched sources for Thomas Davenport are, The New England Historic Genealogical Register, Volume 3, April 1849, page 189 which lists Thomas Davenport as a "Freeman" date the 18th of May 1642 in Massachusetts; the second article comes from The New England Historic Genealogical Register, Volume 5, October 1851, pages 394; 398 listing signers to a Petition of the Inhabitants of Dorchester, Massachusetts, October, 1664, where Thomas Davenport Sr. and Thomas Davenport, Jr. both had signed. On page 398 it gives pertinent genealogical data regarding Thomas Davenport Sr., wife and issues as well as Thomas Jr.'s will information. I might add the New England Historic Genealogical Society is a must for anyone researching New England Davenport lineages. I have a complete binder full of articles taken from their Registers on the Davenport family, Thomas, Richard as well as Rev. John. Finally, a complete Pedigree on the Davenport line was published in the NEHGS Register Vo! lume 9, April 1855 beginning with Orme Davenport covering three pages of lineage information

Cuzzin Teri, I for one am not picking, only on a roll generated by your great effort to solve our ancestry. You only have my thanks Cuzzin Bud [email protected] wrote: > Gordon, Bud & others- > I'm only human and do tend to err, my dates could be wrong. My intent is to > do a little more studying on this subject. > This list of companions.... I'm sure others would be interested in knowing > who was with William. I know I am. > I've seen many dates for all these issues, I'm just waiting to see the > correct ones. > Take care.........cuzzin Teri > > This is how we see things: > > Orme & unknown > Richard b. 1136 & Anabilia Venables > Thomas b. 1189 & unknown > Richard & unknown > Vivian b.ca. 1200 & Beatrix de Hulme > Roger b. 1228 & Mary Salmon > Thomas b. 1250 & Agnes Macclesfield > Thomas b. 1280 & Elizabeth Davenport > John b. 1330 & Alice Bromhall > Robert b. 1365 & Joan Assheton > John b. 1419 & Cicely Warren > William b. 1446 & Margery Legh > William b. 1472 & Blanch Warburton > William b. 1521 & Margaret Booth > William b. 1543 & Margaret Assheton > William b. 1563 & Dorothy Warren > Thomas b. 1580 & Mary Forth > Thomas b. 1615 & Mary Pittman > > ==== DAVENPORT Mailing List ==== > For instructions on unsubscribing or searching the list archives visit: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nvjack/davnport/group.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

In a message dated 1/26/03 7:01:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > This is how we see things: > > Orme &unknown > Richard b. 1136 &Anabilia Venables > Thomas b. 1189 &unknown > Richard &unknown > Vivian b.ca. 1200 &Beatrix de Hulme > Roger b. 1228 &Mary Salmon > Thomas b. 1250 &Agnes Macclesfield > Thomas b. 1280 &Elizabeth Davenport > John b. 1330 &Alice Bromhall > Robert b. 1365 &Joan Assheton > John b. 1419 &Cicely Warren > William b. 1446 &Margery Legh > William b. 1472 &Blanch Warburton > William b. 1521 &Margaret Booth > William b. 1543 &Margaret Assheton > William b. 1563 &Dorothy Warren > Thomas b. 1580 &Mary Forth > Thomas b. 1615 &Mary Pittman > > Hello, It seems you left out a generation. Robert de Davenport & Joan Assheton had a son Robert de Davenport m. Alice Fitton & they were the parents of John who married Cicely Warren. Also, Ormerod in his "History of Cheshire" does not show a son Thomas to William de Davenport & Dorothy Warren, nor are there any of the surname Forth or Pittman in the index of the 3 volumes. I would be curious to learn the source of Thomas & Mary Forth. Bob McKeon

Gordon, Bud & others- I'm only human and do tend to err, my dates could be wrong. My intent is to do a little more studying on this subject. This list of companions.... I'm sure others would be interested in knowing who was with William. I know I am. I've seen many dates for all these issues, I'm just waiting to see the correct ones. Take care.........cuzzin Teri This is how we see things: Orme & unknown Richard b. 1136 & Anabilia Venables Thomas b. 1189 & unknown Richard & unknown Vivian b.ca. 1200 & Beatrix de Hulme Roger b. 1228 & Mary Salmon Thomas b. 1250 & Agnes Macclesfield Thomas b. 1280 & Elizabeth Davenport John b. 1330 & Alice Bromhall Robert b. 1365 & Joan Assheton John b. 1419 & Cicely Warren William b. 1446 & Margery Legh William b. 1472 & Blanch Warburton William b. 1521 & Margaret Booth William b. 1543 & Margaret Assheton William b. 1563 & Dorothy Warren Thomas b. 1580 & Mary Forth Thomas b. 1615 & Mary Pittman

gordon, I also have a list of the Normandy Knights that accompied William and there is no Orme, but Teri has the date 1086 when they came to England. My research is that William returned to Normandy between 1086 and 1087 when he died. Thanks Bud Davenport Williamsburg, Va. [email protected] Gordon Banks wrote: > I have a list of the companions of William the Conqueror and Orme isn't on > it. What evidence is there for the statement that he was one of William's > companions? > > ==== DAVENPORT Mailing List ==== > For instructions on unsubscribing or searching the list archives visit: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nvjack/davnport/group.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I have a list of the companions of William the Conqueror and Orme isn't on it. What evidence is there for the statement that he was one of William's companions?

Bob & others- First, yes, the Mr Warren that provided the information is a descendant of Dorothy Warren wife of William Davenport b. 1563. I will call him Mr Warren due to the fact that I do not have his permission to use his name publicly. Yes, I did receive your message of January 7th. I can be such an airhead at times. I didn't respond as I was going to talk to Butch about it, so I put it aside......... It was very encouraging to hear your kind words......cuzzin Teri

Teri, Your letter below is also a response to my similar query of January 7th, copy follows: Teri. Yes, I'm familiar with the Nevada Jack site and have been reading their Davenport-L letters for some years. They too have had difficulty in linking the southern US branches to the original Orme and each of their lines seems to have appeared in the Colonies without known English ties. It was somewhat for this reason that the connection using William 17, Thomas 18, and Thomas 19 seemed almost too good to be true. As to the lineage prior to William 17 and wife Dorothy Warren [both born in the early 1560s], I have no real doubts as the record there derived from the British Library publications cannot be challenged, at least so after 1330, and their association then with Bromhall Manor as the Damport family. I will look forward to hearing what Butch has to say about all this. It is a fascinating period of English History and trying to understand it has great interest as those people were our forebearers. Regards BOB I presume now that you didn't receive this message above as I was using HTML not plain text. Anyway I was overjoyed to see your letter of today which spoke of the information you had obtained on the William 1563 to Thomas of Dorchester linkage. Certainly that info is valuable indeed in answering the question of 'where did Thomas of Dorchester come from?' I hope that you will indeed type out, or duplicate and forward, Mr. Warren's information. Can I presume that the Dorothy Warren, who married William b.1563, is a relative of the Mr. Warren you say provided the information? Fascinating! Regards Bob Davenport, San Diego xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 9:56 AM Subject: [DAVENPORT] Orme de Davenport/Thomas of Dorchester > Cuzzin Bud & others > > You've asked some very good questions & I wondered when someone would. > The connection of Thomas of Dorchester to England was made quite some time > ago, by my cuzzin/partner Butch and myself. We were helped immensely by our > Warren cuzzin in England. Infact, if it weren't for him, we may never have > known. > Mr. Warren was kind enough to send me many documents pertaining to > Davenport/Warren in England. These documents are straight out of old record > books there, from such places as Stockport Parish, Bramhall Twp and > Macclesfield Hundred. > If it would interest anyone and is alright with Doc, I could type out these > documents for the board. Also included in this info was some pictures. One is > of some wood carvings at Bramhall. The other is the Coat of Arms, written > with the COA is the following: "From the records of College of Arms, collated > with Harl. MMS. 2119, the Visitations (Plea and Recog. Rolls, Inqs, Charters > of the Leghs, of Booths, Registers, Wills, Watsons) and other evidence" > > As far as Orme goes: > > Research and history says that William was crowned on 25 Dec 1086, could you > show me proof otherwise? > Orme's date of birth, I've seen several, 1034 and 1066. Either of these > dates, as pointed out by Winn, make Orme too old to have fathered Richard > b.1136. We may be missing someone in between Orme and Richard. We are > researching that possibility. > Research and history also states that Orme de Davenport and William The > Conquerer came together from Normandy to England in 1086. Research and > history also states that the two were cuzzins, however, I've yet to see proof > of that. > > That's all for now........cuzzin Teri > > > ==== DAVENPORT Mailing List ==== > For instructions on unsubscribing or searching the list archives visit: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nvjack/davnport/group.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello Everyone, I am working with a group of researchers looking at TINSLEY, JACKSON, RUCKER surnames in the 1700s in Essex, Amelia, Orange, Pittsylvania Co. VA and finally on to Lincoln Co. KY. The following references from 1839 in Campbell Co. VA (possibly close to earlier locations in Orange Co. 1730s) came to our attention. Are any of you familiar with these individuals, their locations (which could be other than Campbell Co. given that it is a legacy apparently involved), whether there is a relationship between the Davenports here and the Tinsleys, whether any of these folks had prior relationships with the Jacksons or Ruckers (or Shacklefords or Clements)? "Campbell Co WB 8 p 8 Inventory of Estate of Elizabeth Slaughter dec'd, shows legatees as Charles L Bullock, John P Slaughter, Ann Cobb's children and Robert H. Slaughter's children 11 apr 1836 Campbell Co WB 8 p 12 Account of sale of Estate of Charles Slaughter with John Slaughter executor, shows suit dated Dec 1835 of Richard Davenport, Charles S. Davenort, Robert TINSLEY and Eliza Ann Davenport as Plaintiffs against Robert L. Wilburn and wife, William L Lambert nad wife, and Gabriel Cobbs as Defendants. slaves belonging to the late Ann Cobbs, dec'd, were sold and the Hiers or Robert Slaughter dec'd receved payment." Thanks in Advance, Janet Hunter

Cuzzin Bud & others You've asked some very good questions & I wondered when someone would. The connection of Thomas of Dorchester to England was made quite some time ago, by my cuzzin/partner Butch and myself. We were helped immensely by our Warren cuzzin in England. Infact, if it weren't for him, we may never have known. Mr. Warren was kind enough to send me many documents pertaining to Davenport/Warren in England. These documents are straight out of old record books there, from such places as Stockport Parish, Bramhall Twp and Macclesfield Hundred. If it would interest anyone and is alright with Doc, I could type out these documents for the board. Also included in this info was some pictures. One is of some wood carvings at Bramhall. The other is the Coat of Arms, written with the COA is the following: "From the records of College of Arms, collated with Harl. MMS. 2119, the Visitations (Plea and Recog. Rolls, Inqs, Charters of the Leghs, of Booths, Registers, Wills, Watsons) and other evidence" As far as Orme goes: Research and history says that William was crowned on 25 Dec 1086, could you show me proof otherwise? Orme's date of birth, I've seen several, 1034 and 1066. Either of these dates, as pointed out by Winn, make Orme too old to have fathered Richard b.1136. We may be missing someone in between Orme and Richard. We are researching that possibility. Research and history also states that Orme de Davenport and William The Conquerer came together from Normandy to England in 1086. Research and history also states that the two were cuzzins, however, I've yet to see proof of that. That's all for now........cuzzin Teri

Cuzzin Teri, When was the connection to England found for Thomas of Dorchester? I have worked for over 20 years on the Davenport Family and have all published materials on Family History, including that from Orme down and never connected Thomas to any of that family, and I find this connection exciting if it is viable, but question the date for Orme's birth. My research makes it about 20 years off. William was crowned Dec. 25, 1066, his wife died 1086 and he died 1087 in Normandy. How could he and Orme have come together to England in 1086?? Just questions? Cuzzin Bud Williamsburg, VA [email protected] [email protected] wrote: > Hi all... > I finally figured out what a 674 error is. It simply means I was trying to > copy & paste too much at one time. I figured this out by trial and error. > I was finally able to put the 32 generations of descendants of Orme (northern > Davenport's). We also have 3 pages of unconnected Davenport's (southern). > > Also, could WBDAVE please contact me > > Thanks.........cuzzin Teri > > http://DavenportFamily.1colony.com > > ==== DAVENPORT Mailing List ==== > For instructions on unsubscribing or searching the list archives visit: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nvjack/davnport/group.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi all... I finally figured out what a 674 error is. It simply means I was trying to copy & paste too much at one time. I figured this out by trial and error. I was finally able to put the 32 generations of descendants of Orme (northern Davenport's). We also have 3 pages of unconnected Davenport's (southern). Also, could WBDAVE please contact me Thanks.........cuzzin Teri http://DavenportFamily.1colony.com

Pamunkey Cousins: Here's a cousin in need of dates--which I do not have immediately available--for the DAR. I know that several of you can provide the help needed, so please do what you can. Doc ---------- Original Message ------------------------ From: "tdkouba" <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:17:56 -0600 Good Morning John Scott: Received your e-mail this morning and here is the information we are seeking for proof, that DAR will accept. We are seeking proof that David Davenport born Nov. 28, 1795 was a child of Martin Davenport born 1735. We also need proof that David M. Davenport born 1821 is the son of David born 1795. If, you could find and supply us with the proof of this information we would be forever grateful . Ernesteen Davenport Callaway, and Donna Kouba [email protected]

Hi again Paul- Listen, though I enjoy your mail & it makes me chuckle...others may not be getting such a kick out of it. This mailing list is for genealogy and related subjects, that's why people subscribe. Let's keep our personal mail just between us. Email me at my home address. Thanks Paul and as my Dad would say... "It's colder than a well digger's backside!" Cuzzin Teri

No Paul, Ali is the Greatest (but thanks for your vote...cuz TJ)

Hey Cuz: Its Me again (Paul) Just heard that its "colder than cast iron socks". Guess that's pretty cold. Hey I sent the last message before I got it wrote. (SORRY- I,m OLD) I just wanted to tell You that WE would not tolerate any more of Your- crash and burn. OF You or Your computer. So advance notice for Youse. I hate to be the one to tell You, but I heard that most computers are female gender and that's the reason they are so unpredictable. Never know if they are going to work or not. (Thats a funny) Really enjoyed Your life stories. Got any more? Bye for now Cuzin Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bonnie Davenport" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [DAVENPORT] Site Driving Me Crazy!!! > Hey Cuz: > Does this mean that its gonna cost when You get on line? Cuz Paul D In KC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:59 AM > Subject: [DAVENPORT] Site Driving Me Crazy!!! > > > > > > Hi all- > > I'm getting really frustrated...I want so bad to put the 32 generations of > > Orme de Davenport on the site for all to enjoy. But, I'm having nothing > but > > trouble. I put them on Custom & Custom 2 pages and get a 674 error. I > deleted > > the pages, the re-added them & got the same thing. So, then I deleted > Custom & > > Custom 2 again...then put Orme's people on, same problem...674 error, > > whatever that means! > > Anyway, Butch & I are tired of messing with these fly by night hosts who > do > > not supply tech support if it's a free site. We got a paid site that is > > awesome. I'm building it as we speak & it won't be long til opening. This > > will be the permanent home of our DavenportAncestors. In the meantime, if > you > > have any questions regarding Davenport people, please feel free to email > me. > > Thank you......cuzzin Teri > > > > > > ==== DAVENPORT Mailing List ==== > > For instructions on unsubscribing or searching the list archives visit: > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nvjack/davnport/group.htm > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== DAVENPORT Mailing List ==== > The Pamunkey Davenport Chronicles are available on CD. > Visit the link below for a free preview and instructions on ordering. > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nvjack/davnport/chronicles.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >