Message text written by INTERNET:[email protected] >be able to tie into one of these lines. That is where sharing information really comes in handy. You never know who might have that missing link. Why try to do all the research back to 1640 when it has been done before - possibly many times.<<<<<<<< P.S. to my last response, This is true only where there is a very definite *paper trail* which can be verified - usually in the case of well-known families etc. However, we must always remember that there is also an element which, albeit unintentional and well-meaning where the person tracing their genealogy is overly anxious to do this in a hurry and will add people to his/her chart before having thorough checked the data. For instance, you probably are aware of the work the Mormon church has done when it comes to genealogy. They probably have more data than any other source, including volumes of *Ancestral Files*. In all cases they have printed the words of caution, see below:-. "About Ancestral File: Ancestral File is a collection of genealogical information taken from Pedigree Charts and Family Group Records submitted to the Family History Department since 1978. The information has not been verified against any official records. Since the information in Ancestral File is contributed, it is the responsibility of those who use the file to verify its accuracy. " Last night I went to that website once again in the hope that maybe I'd find *something on my Thomas Davenport (Rev) who was born in Siddington, Cheshire in 1722, AND, yes, there is an Ancestral Filea there which we have been tempted, and very much hoping that this is his family. The name is right, - the place (Siddington) is right, all the siblings' names match those of our Thomas' children, but then I see that he was married twice, and not to *our gggggg-grandmother.- So, what to do? Is this the right (our) Thomas and someone entered the wrong wives? Or, is it an entirely different Thomas who also lived in Siddington (a very small place, especially in the late 1600s) at the very same time, who had a son Thomas at the very same time and used the same names (at the very same time). Let's quote Reagan here .......... " Accept, but VERIFY". <SM> Winn

Message text written by INTERNET:[email protected] >Most of the people that have been on this list for any length of time know or have learned that there were several "original" Davenports that appeared in the United States in the 1600/1700s. From these individuals sprang the various Davenport lines we have been discussing. This included Thomas Davenport in Dorchester, MA, prior to 1640; The Rev. John Davenport, perhaps the best known, arriving from England in 1637; Davis Davenport born about 1660 in VA; and several others. Many of these lines are well documented and there is currently much research going on. In prior messages when we refer to "Thomas Davenport of Dorchester", etc.. we are referring to these individuals and their descendants. If someone can track their own ancestors back a couple generations they may be able to tie into one of these lines. That is where sharing information really comes in handy. You never know who might have that missing link. Why try to do all the research back to 1640 when it has been done before - possibly many times. Most of the recent discussion about these individuals had to do with DNA testing. Y-DNA testing is beneficial for the person being tested and also for the group. If he doesn't know which line, if any, he belongs to his DNA might tell him. He can then better restrict his research. If the person being tested knows his line then his DNA can be compared to other lines to see if there is a common ancestor. Bill Davenport<<<<<<<<< Bill, Thanks for your reply - I think I understand this a little better now. In other words, most members here are still working on this side of the pond which has to be the case before they can find their English ancestors. As to the DNA, I have never questioned its value. <

Message text written by INTERNET:[email protected] > Let me add my two cents to this discussion. Yes, you do have to begin with yourself and go to your parents, their parents, etc, etc. One can find as much documentation as possible. I've been working on my Davenport line for over 30 years and have not been able to find any documentation for my gg grandparents. Since they obviously didn't just appear here on earth I am at that proverbial brick wall. This is where the DNA testing might be able to help me. If I knew at least which line of Davenports he came from I might be able to find the connection. At least it would limit the focus of my research. Carol (Davenport) Parks<<<<<<<<< Carol, You are right, and of course I can see the value of the DNA testing, - it is like a curtain being pulled away. I thought the message I commented on originated from someone just starting on their ancestry. Winn (Davenport) Auch

Bill, Thank you for this Information. I do hope this will help all of us. Nancy Down in GA --- [email protected] wrote: > Nancy > Yes the Y-DNA test can tell us if we had a common ancestor. Go to <A > HREF="http://www.DavenportDNA.com"> > http://www.DavenportDNA.com</A> for more details. > > Bill Davenport > [email protected] > > > ==== DAVENPORT Mailing List ==== > For instructions on unsubscribing or searching the list archives visit: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nvjack/davnport/group.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Bill, Thank you for this Information. I do hope this will help all of us. Nancy Down in GA --- [email protected] wrote: > Nancy > Yes the Y-DNA test can tell us if we had a common ancestor. Go to <A > HREF="http://www.DavenportDNA.com"> > http://www.DavenportDNA.com</A> for more details. > > Bill Davenport > [email protected] > > > ==== DAVENPORT Mailing List ==== > For instructions on unsubscribing or searching the list archives visit: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nvjack/davnport/group.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Wynne You wrote: > "Maybe I don't comprehend the system here,  or misunderstood something, but I get the impression that perhaps some members are starting at the other end.   Iow,  .........  say, their name is Davenport and now they're trying connect to one of the lines being discussed.- For instance I keep seeing a Thomas mentioned, like 'are we related to this Thomas',  well, I for one have at least  6 Thomases in my database, one of which is Rev. Thomas Davenport.   Then I see Rev. John Davenport mentioned a number of times  -    I have a Rev. John Davenport, and for all I know he may have come to the US.- If I've hurt anyone's feelings I certainly regret that,  but I've worked on my ancestry for about 12 yrs now,  and have *learned the hard way that you can only begin with yourself and then work backwards. In addition,  my sister has taken several trips back over to Derbyshire and Cheshire where she searched the Record Offices and visited the little churches of Rev. Thomas,  Rev. Samuel and Rev. John Davenport." > My response: Most of the people that have been on this list for any length of time know or have learned that there were several "original" Davenports that appeared in the United States in the 1600/1700s. From these individuals sprang the various Davenport lines we have been discussing. This included Thomas Davenport in Dorchester, MA, prior to 1640; The Rev. John Davenport, perhaps the best known, arriving from England in 1637; Davis Davenport born about 1660 in VA; and several others. Many of these lines are well documented and there is currently much research going on. In prior messages when we refer to "Thomas Davenport of Dorchester", etc.. we are referring to these individuals and their descendants. If someone can track their own ancestors back a couple generations they may be able to tie into one of these lines. That is where sharing information really comes in handy. You never know who might have that missing link. Why try to do all the research back to 1640 when it has been done before - possibly many times. Most of the recent discussion about these individuals had to do with DNA testing. Y-DNA testing is beneficial for the person being tested and also for the group. If he doesn't know which line, if any, he belongs to his DNA might tell him. He can then better restrict his research. If the person being tested knows his line then his DNA can be compared to other lines to see if there is a common ancestor. Bill Davenport [email protected]

Let me add my two cents to this discussion. Yes, you do have to begin with yourself and go to your parents, their parents, etc, etc. One can find as much documentation as possible. I've been working on my Davenport line for over 30 years and have not been able to find any documentation for my gg grandparents. Since they obviously didn't just appear here on earth I am at that proverbial brick wall. This is where the DNA testing might be able to help me. If I knew at least which line of Davenports he came from I might be able to find the connection. At least it would limit the focus of my research. Carol (Davenport) Parks [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Winifred Auch" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:49 PM Subject: [DAVENPORT] DNA Response > Message text written by INTERNET:[email protected] > >Wynne- > Though I'm sure you meant the below statement to be helpful to the person > who > asked, to me it sounded quite rude. > Our policy (Butch & I) with our site & our Davenport research is "if you'd > like to know if you're related to these lines- send them to us and we'll > see > if we can connect you!" > Quite possibly that person was speaking to Butch or myself, honestly > looking > for help with their family line. We believe that sharing info between > researchers is the only real way of doing this family search, in this way > we > not only find our ancestors, but we also obtain and keep friendships with > our > new found cuzzins. > It's not for me to say, but if it were, I'd say you owe that person a big > heartfelt apology!<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > I certainly had no intention to be 'rude' or to upset anyone, however, I > do feel strongly that if you are searching for your ancestors > you really have to begin with yourself, documenting (verifying) all you > find along the way. > I don't know of any other way that that can be done! > > Maybe I don't comprehend the system here, or misunderstood something, > but I get the impression that > perhaps some members are starting at the other end. Iow, ......... > say, their name is Davenport and now they're trying connect to one of the > lines being discussed.- > For instance I keep seeing a Thomas mentioned, like 'are we related to this > Thomas', well, I for one have at least 6 Thomases in my database, one of > which is Rev. Thomas Davenport. Then I see Rev. John Davenport mentioned > a number of times - I have a Rev. John Davenport, and for all I know he > may have come to the US.- > If I've hurt anyone's feelings I certainly regret that, but I've worked on > my ancestry for about 12 yrs now, and have *learned the hard way that you > can only begin with yourself and then work backwards. > In addition, my sister has taken several trips back over to Derbyshire and > Cheshire where she searched the Record Offices and visited the little > churches of Rev. Thomas, Rev. Samuel and Rev. John Davenport.- > > I made the remarks to the person in question because she seemed to be just > beginning with her research .......... I don't have her exact words > before me) and felt it vital that she understood that one must begin with > one's parents and then work backwards. > It can be done, especially in this country where there are so many ways to > garner information.- > I have not had that advantage since all my ancestors are from Europe. I'm > the first one here in the US. > Wynne > > p.s. <<<It's not for me to say, but if it were, I'd say you owe that person > a big heartfelt apology!<<<< > > No, it isn't for you to say that I should apologize for trying to show > someone just beginning the right path. > > > > ==== DAVENPORT Mailing List ==== > For instructions on unsubscribing or searching the list archives visit: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nvjack/davnport/group.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 - Release Date: 1/21/2003

Message text written by INTERNET:[email protected] >Wynne- Though I'm sure you meant the below statement to be helpful to the person who asked, to me it sounded quite rude. Our policy (Butch & I) with our site & our Davenport research is "if you'd like to know if you're related to these lines- send them to us and we'll see if we can connect you!" Quite possibly that person was speaking to Butch or myself, honestly looking for help with their family line. We believe that sharing info between researchers is the only real way of doing this family search, in this way we not only find our ancestors, but we also obtain and keep friendships with our new found cuzzins. It's not for me to say, but if it were, I'd say you owe that person a big heartfelt apology!<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< I certainly had no intention to be 'rude' or to upset anyone, however, I do feel strongly that if you are searching for your ancestors you really have to begin with yourself, documenting (verifying) all you find along the way. I don't know of any other way that that can be done! Maybe I don't comprehend the system here, or misunderstood something, but I get the impression that perhaps some members are starting at the other end. Iow, ......... say, their name is Davenport and now they're trying connect to one of the lines being discussed.- For instance I keep seeing a Thomas mentioned, like 'are we related to this Thomas', well, I for one have at least 6 Thomases in my database, one of which is Rev. Thomas Davenport. Then I see Rev. John Davenport mentioned a number of times - I have a Rev. John Davenport, and for all I know he may have come to the US.- If I've hurt anyone's feelings I certainly regret that, but I've worked on my ancestry for about 12 yrs now, and have *learned the hard way that you can only begin with yourself and then work backwards. In addition, my sister has taken several trips back over to Derbyshire and Cheshire where she searched the Record Offices and visited the little churches of Rev. Thomas, Rev. Samuel and Rev. John Davenport.- I made the remarks to the person in question because she seemed to be just beginning with her research .......... I don't have her exact words before me) and felt it vital that she understood that one must begin with one's parents and then work backwards. It can be done, especially in this country where there are so many ways to garner information.- I have not had that advantage since all my ancestors are from Europe. I'm the first one here in the US. Wynne p.s. <<<It's not for me to say, but if it were, I'd say you owe that person a big heartfelt apology!<<<< No, it isn't for you to say that I should apologize for trying to show someone just beginning the right path.

Wynne- Though I'm sure you meant the below statement to be helpful to the person who asked, to me it sounded quite rude. Our policy (Butch & I) with our site & our Davenport research is "if you'd like to know if you're related to these lines- send them to us and we'll see if we can connect you!" Quite possibly that person was speaking to Butch or myself, honestly looking for help with their family line. We believe that sharing info between researchers is the only real way of doing this family search, in this way we not only find our ancestors, but we also obtain and keep friendships with our new found cuzzins. It's not for me to say, but if it were, I'd say you owe that person a big heartfelt apology! There is only *one* way to ascertain what your ancestry is and that is the 'hard way' (but lots of fun, nevertheless). You begin with your parents, - documenting all information you can find and then continue with 'their' parents, and so on. Eventually you will come to their arrival in this country, the ship or boat they were on and the port of embarkation. With a little luck the passenger list may reveal more information as to where they came from, with whom they travelled, etc. You cannot begin in the middle of something, such as find a name like your own and decide that this is your "relative". Another way of illustrating what I mean is to think of all the Smiths in all the telephone books in this country. Do you really think you are related to all of them? Wynne

Message text written by INTERNET:[email protected] >Hi all, Could someone out there tell me if this will tell me which line that we stem from? <<<<<<<< There is only *one* way to ascertain what your ancestry is and that is the 'hard way' (but lots of fun, nevertheless). You begin with your parents, - documenting all information you can find and then continue with 'their' parents, and so on. Eventually you will come to their arrival in this country, the ship or boat they were on and the port of embarkation. With a little luck the passenger list may reveal more information as to where they came from, with whom they travelled, etc. You cannot begin in the middle of something, such as find a name like your own and decide that this is your "relative". Another way of illustrating what I mean is to think of all the Smiths in all the telephone books in this country. Do you really think you are related to all of them? Wynne

Nancy Yes the Y-DNA test can tell us if we had a common ancestor. Go to <A HREF="http://www.DavenportDNA.com"> http://www.DavenportDNA.com</A> for more details. Bill Davenport [email protected]

Hi all, Could someone out there tell me if this will tell me which line that we stem from? Also, what is the cost? I have spoken with others that have done this and they tell me that it helps distinguishing the different groups. Nancy Down in GA __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

First, as far as my info from Mr Warren goes...I'm getting together all those files, going through them and sorting out what needs to be said and what doesn't. I will have all that available in due time. For Valerie- My info that Hannah Seeley/Soby comes from our local history books here in Newfield, Tompkins Co, NY and from a 6th great granddaughter. Hannah was biologically born to Trustum Soby & Hannah Griffin, she was later adopted by Ebenezer Seeley & Mercy Dean. As far as proof for your DAR application, I do not participate in such, so there you will be on your own. Yes, there were many inter-marriages amongst the Davenport's, as in most families back then. Capt. Todd R. Davenport- I ran the name of your great grandfather, Bertram Davenport and he does not appear in my database. I will check with my partner/cuzzin Butch to see if he knows anything. Bob in San Diego- you are correct, Thomas was the youngest son of William. You say that Thomas does not appear on any passengers lists. I wonder why? If he didn't come on a passenger ship, then how did he get here? Anyone care to guess? I have my theory, however, I'm not ready to reveal it until I've done some more research. Bill- I have one Townsend/Davenport connection....John Davenport b. 1585 m. Legh Townsend. Let me point out again, to those of you who haven't read this on our site...A huge majority of our info comes from people who send us their family lines. We try to verify everything, some stuff comes to us with sources and some does not. Butch spends alot of time verifying facts, that's why you don't hear from him. He has asked me to sign him to everything I write. I guess what it boils down to is: We stand by our info and believe it to be correct to the best of our knowledge. If you can prove otherwise, please do so. The only way to solve this huge Davenport puzzle is to get all the many lines together in one place, where it can be viewed by all. Everyone working together for our common goal is what will solve this. This is the goal of Butch & I, we are supplying the place to gather all these lines for all to see......Teri & Butch

Sidney L Davenport was the son of Anderson Wesley and Mary Asenath Abernathy Davenport, born November 24, 1837 in Lincoln Co. NC (now Gaston) married Lucinda Cloninger, daughter of Moses and Katie Bollinger Cloninger. Sidney and Lucinda moved to Texas (Date ?) and were report to have had children. I have found no other information concerning them. If anyone researching Texas Davenports has found information about this family, I would appreciate your help.\ This is a 5th generation Prince George Davenport descendant . Thanks Allan Craig

Bob, I believe you mentioned a web site for Davenports. What would that address be? Thanks Joanne in San Diego - [email protected]

There is Thomas the minister correct? He is in New England? Then there is my ancestor- Thomas "the Pioneer" who lived in Cold Springs, NY. Now is it ok to connect this Thomas to William of England?? Valerie

I saw listed quite a few Davenports in Morris Co, NJ on Terri's webpage. I live in Morris Co so if anyone has questions about these Davenports, I can possibly help. Valerie

Terri- Went to your Orme Davenport page and saw my ancestors listed. I have a question about Oliver Davenport from your page: "100. OLIVER22 DAVENPORT (THOMAS "THE PIONEER"21, ) was born Abt. 1723 in Westchester Co, NY, and died July 09, 1801 in Westchester Co, NY. He married HANNAH SOBY/SEELEY, daughter of TRUSTUM SOBY and HANNAH GRIFFIN. She was born Abt. 1723 in Westchester Co, NY. Notes for HANNAH SOBY/SEELEY: Hannah was the biological daughter of Trustum Soby & Hannah Griffin. Hannah was a blood native of the Delaware Nation. She was later adopted by the Seeley family of Newfield, Tompkins Co, NY for unknown reasons How did you prove the Hannah Soby connection? I was informed a while back that this is the woman's true name. However, if I ever want to do a DAR application on Oliver, I am going against the Hannah Seeley "proven" ancestry. Also, didn't know about the Delaware Indian connection. I descend from Oliver's sister as well. Lots of intermarraige between the Davenports and Lamoreaux in my family. Valerie

I was wondering if orme had any relatives by the name of bertram davenport who fought in the civil war,he was mustered with the 11th maryland co.'s b,d,f according to a cencus he from NE.He mustered out in '64.He's my GGgrandfather,would appreciete any help,thanks. sincerly, Capt.Todd R.Davenport of PA.

Tim.. The Thomas you refer to below is the patriarch of our line and his gravestone tells the story accurately so far as we know. The Thomas in question was his father [presumably] that may have been born in 1580 and probably never came to the Colonies. Then, whether the grandfather of the patriarch was a William Davenport born 1563, about whom much is known, is the 64 dollar question. I am in hopes that Teri can give us evidence of all this. How about it Teri? Bob Davenport San Diego ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Dupy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 6:57 PM Subject: [DAVENPORT] Grave Record for Thomas Davenport of Dorchester > According to a grave record at the Mount Auburn Cemetery in Cambridge, Massachusetts, Thomas Davenport was born in 1615 in England and died in 1685 in Dorchester, Massachusetts. Taken from the NEHGS Search Results for Thomas Davenport, 39 records offered for the given name "Thomas". > > > ==== DAVENPORT Mailing List ==== > For instructions on unsubscribing or searching the list archives visit: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nvjack/davnport/group.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >