Jim is right. The DNA test we use is on the male Y chromosome. A "sex" chromosome. Very few if any diseases are know to be connected to it. The parts that are tested are "junk" pieces - not known to be beneficial or detrimental to the individual. However, I think Denna was more interested in finding other Davenports that might have HHT. Bill Davenport [email protected] ---- In a message dated 6/25/2003 6:30:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I doubt this DNA testing reveals anything about hereditary diseases.. though if someone knew what to look for it might be in there.

Bud: Yes, more than a "tad slow". Participants mail their sample to FamilyTree DNA. FTDNA then collects the samples and prepares them. Every two weeks they send a batch to the University of Arizona lab. It is a "blind" test. The lab does not see any names. The 25 markers test is split into two parts - a 12 and a 13. The 12 is usually reported first with the 13 shortly afterwards. The whole process usually takes 4-6 weeks. In May the lab hired two new technicians who needed training. Also one of the senior tech guys got married and was out for a while. This caused some delays. Then two of five results that I expected in the end of May, which have not come in yet, needed to be retested at the lab. That happens in about 15% of the samples - first for us. Partial results for a later batch are in. The 13 are ready on five individuals, but we need the first 12 before results are reported. I have stayed in contact with FTDNA and been assured we should be getting something soon. Later tonight I will be reporting on a couple new results that came in this past week. Bill Davenport [email protected] Davenport Surname DNA Project Administrator ---------- In a message dated 6/25/2003 5:44:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Bill, I know you will post as soon as you know something from DNA, but aren't they just a tad slow this time around. Bud

Bill, I know you will post as soon as you know something from DNA, but aren't they just a tad slow this time around. Bud [email protected] wrote: > Hello List: > > I received the email listed below from Denna via the DavenportDNA page. I > told her I would post it to the List and see what happens. If anybody knows > anything about it - her email is [email protected] If this sounds like something > the rest of us should know about - I would assume no one would object to seeing > more information. > > Bill Davenport > [email protected] > > ---------- > In a message dated 6/25/2003 1:54:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > Hello my question is how many Newberry Davenports > Have the blood vessel disorder HHT? http://www.hht.org/web/ I know It Comes > from the Davenports I have Talked to Some in Texas My sister died from it. and > I had a lung embolized. Take It serious Please. > Do the other lines of Davenports show it on the chromosomes? > (Sorry spelling) And if You can tell all that can You tell if there is Native > American in the Newberry Davenports? > Thank > you Denna > > ==== DAVENPORT Mailing List ==== > For instructions on unsubscribing or searching the list archives visit: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nvjack/davnport/group.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I doubt this DNA testing reveals anything about hereditary diseases.. though if someone knew what to look for it might be in there. I am a DNA match for the Newberry Davenports, but have never heard of HHT in any of my relatives, though I had heard someone had hemophilia, but do not recall if it was a married-into relative or a blood relative. One of my cousins has had several children with neuromuscular disease, which causes severe skeletal deformities and can result in early death. Her doctors told her it was a hereditary disorder, and told her it was the Devenport line, merely by looking at pictures of the parents and grandparents.... slight build, sloping shoulders, often a bit stooped in posture. Never heard any others in our side of the Devenports with neuromuscular disease, in spite of the doctor's opinions... But all have not been heard from yet. Jim -----Original Message----- From: bud [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 18:39 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DAVENPORT] HHT in Davenports [email protected] wrote: > Hello List: > > I received the email listed below from Denna via the DavenportDNA page. I > told her I would post it to the List and see what happens. If anybody knows > anything about it - her email is [email protected] If this sounds like something > the rest of us should know about - I would assume no one would object to seeing > more information. > > Bill Davenport > [email protected] > > ---------- > In a message dated 6/25/2003 1:54:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > Hello my question is how many Newberry Davenports > Have the blood vessel disorder HHT? http://www.hht.org/web/ I know It Comes > from the Davenports I have Talked to Some in Texas My sister died from it. and > I had a lung embolized. Take It serious Please. > Do the other lines of Davenports show it on the chromosomes? > (Sorry spelling) And if You can tell all that can You tell if there is Native > American in the Newberry Davenports? > Thank > you Denna > > ==== DAVENPORT Mailing List ==== > For instructions on unsubscribing or searching the list archives visit: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nvjack/davnport/group.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ==== DAVENPORT Mailing List ==== For instructions on unsubscribing or searching the list archives visit: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nvjack/davnport/group.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I know of no HHT in the Newberry Davenports, or any Native Americans. Ron Davenport --- "Devenport, Jim" <[email protected]> wrote: > > I doubt this DNA testing reveals anything about > hereditary diseases.. though > if someone knew what to look for it might be in > there. > I am a DNA match for the Newberry Davenports, but > have never heard of HHT in > any of my relatives, though I had heard someone had > hemophilia, but do not > recall if it was a married-into relative or a blood > relative. > One of my cousins has had several children with > neuromuscular disease, which > causes severe skeletal deformities and can result in > early death. Her > doctors told her it was a hereditary disorder, and > told her it was the > Devenport line, merely by looking at pictures of the > parents and > grandparents.... slight build, sloping shoulders, > often a bit stooped in > posture. > Never heard any others in our side of the Devenports > with neuromuscular > disease, in spite of the doctor's opinions... > But all have not been heard from yet. > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bud [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 18:39 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DAVENPORT] HHT in Davenports > > [email protected] wrote: > > > Hello List: > > > > I received the email listed below from Denna via > the DavenportDNA page. I > > told her I would post it to the List and see what > happens. If anybody > knows > > anything about it - her email is [email protected] > If this sounds like > something > > the rest of us should know about - I would assume > no one would object to > seeing > > more information. > > > > Bill Davenport > > [email protected] > > > > ---------- > > In a message dated 6/25/2003 1:54:53 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > > [email protected] writes: > > Hello my question is how many Newberry Davenports > > Have the blood vessel disorder HHT? > http://www.hht.org/web/ I know It > Comes > > from the Davenports I have Talked to Some in Texas > My sister died from it. > and > > I had a lung embolized. Take It serious Please. > > Do the other lines of Davenports show it on the > chromosomes? > > (Sorry spelling) And if You can tell all that can > You tell if there is > Native > > American in the Newberry Davenports? > > > Thank > > you Denna > > > > ==== DAVENPORT Mailing List ==== > > For instructions on unsubscribing or searching the > list archives visit: > > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nvjack/davnport/group.htm > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== DAVENPORT Mailing List ==== > For instructions on unsubscribing or searching the > list archives visit: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nvjack/davnport/group.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== DAVENPORT Mailing List ==== > For instructions on unsubscribing or searching the > list archives visit: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nvjack/davnport/group.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

Hello List: I received the email listed below from Denna via the DavenportDNA page. I told her I would post it to the List and see what happens. If anybody knows anything about it - her email is [email protected] If this sounds like something the rest of us should know about - I would assume no one would object to seeing more information. Bill Davenport [email protected] ---------- In a message dated 6/25/2003 1:54:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hello my question is how many Newberry Davenports Have the blood vessel disorder HHT? http://www.hht.org/web/ I know It Comes from the Davenports I have Talked to Some in Texas My sister died from it. and I had a lung embolized. Take It serious Please. Do the other lines of Davenports show it on the chromosomes? (Sorry spelling) And if You can tell all that can You tell if there is Native American in the Newberry Davenports? Thank you Denna

it's been a long time since i've spoken to anyone on the D roots,so,HELLO!!! If you want to make sure of the validity of you're info,please don't be afraid to cross-check you're bible,journal,personal,etc.with official records.Especially marrage,death,bankrupcy,etc.The reason i say this is because when i started i talked with my dads X and she spoke more crap than a heard of cattle.She told me the exact opposit of the truth,then i took a chance on the comp. and found my dads long lost brother in W.Virgina,basically he refuted everything she said was fact.hope this helps all still looking for N.England Davs with Pa.ties. sincerly, Capt.T.R.Davenport of the Pa.Davs

To all Davenport researchers, I have been following the topic of documentation and sources of proof in Davenport genealogical research recently. Without it no one should lay out family lines on the Web, in a published book or a pedigree chart with any authority. However, as several stated one too seldom sees the sources given, let alone an explanation of them. Sometimes the clues or circumstances suggesting one generation leads to the next one are difficult to explain so are not given. Sometimes a conclusion is based on circumstantial evidence such as: 1. The families were living in the same community as shown in deeds, they appeared on the same tax lists or maybe they even deeded land to one another. 2. The families used the same given names for their children. 3. The families migrated from point A to point B about the same time. 4. Depending on how unusual the surname or surnames are, points 1-3 can be more or less meaningful. Points 1-3 may be used in a situation, but again who can judge if it really is enough evidence to state a relationship? If one is proving a wife's maiden name with the above information, it becomes even more questionable or difficult to state a relationship. These three are circumstantial or secondary evidence, but the conclusion of a relationship should be explained to readers and given as tentative which could change. This is done all to infrequently. After a couple of repetitions of the information, it becomes "gospel truth" no matter who first initiated the information. The same circumstances or secondary evidence may not be considered as proof of a relationship to another researcher. Who can establish that there really is enough evidence to prove the relationship in a particular situation? Even the National Genealogical Society wrestles with this problem and not all are in agreement! Does this help anyone? Jane Kyhl Beekman, Muncie, IN

What do you know about William Hewell's > ancestors? > > Jno Hi cuz I have not done much research on the Hewells. This is what I have gathered from http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nvjack/davnport/d1099.htm#P1099 Susannah Davenport b abt 1756 Hanover Co., VA d 1856 Newton Co., GA; m William Wyatt Hewell December 01, 1784, Hanover Co., VA; b October 15, 1756, Frederick Co., Virginia. He died about 1818 in Oglethorpe Co., Georgia. This man's estate was probated in November 1818. He was the son of Joseph Hewell and Frances Wyatt. My line continues through their daughter Charlotte Hewell + John Jouett? Pass and then: William Huel Pass + Jane Lucinda Hunter Thomas Elijah Pass + Susan A. Crofford Mary Ella Pass + Henry Thomas Dixon Thomas Vinson Dixon + Annie Louise Trotter Joyce Anne Dixon + Warren Henry Helmers

That may have been what happened to my grandparents i can find all of my great grandparents and back to the 1600 and even 1300 in england but i cant find my grandparents in the tri county area. thanks for putting a light on that for me... pam---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Janet" <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 06:47:42 -0000 >What if the minister did not record the marriage in the place that he >married the couple. If the minister was traveling one then he recorded the >marriage up or down the river from the wedding place or he recorded when he >got home. >I have family living in VA the minister was from Maryland. That is where he >record my ancestor marriage. >Has anyone looked for the application of marriage? >This is wonderful for the couple filed it out. >Janet >----- Original Message ----- >From: Devenport, Jim <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 1:38 PM >Subject: RE: [DAVENPORT] Family Bible vs Census > > >> As I recall (it's been 20 years or more since I went to the courthouse and >> viewed these records), another doubt occurs about the minister's marriage >> certificate date because the ENTRY into the ledger or journal was at least >a >> month AFTER the wedding, so it's hard to take total faith in his date that >> is 3 days later than the fam Bible states. Any time something is written >> down, errors are common. >> One more reason for US to record events, thoughts, and memories >IMMEDIATELY, >> like the same day, or it will too soon grow fuzzy on the details. >> When different docs record different dates, and no way to disprove or >prove, >> I try to record ALL dates and sources where found. Makes interesting >> reading even if you can't figure out the exact date. >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rev. Paul D. Curtis [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 6:08 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [DAVENPORT] Family Bible vs Census >> >> >> I tend to believe the 'family Bible records' instead of the census, for >this >> reason: in the case of my own marriage, the Minister who performed our >> marriage wrote down the wrong date of our marriage. He wrote down the >> date he mailed in the Marriage Certificate [license] to the county instead >> of the date of our actual marriage. So, on the County Marriage Records >> the date recorded for our marriage is WRONG! >> >> My husband is a Minister and it's very easy to make this same mistake the >> way the Marriage Certificates are worded. It's a bit confusing to the >> Minister >> ...does he sign his name and date it the day of the actual marriage or the >> date he's mailing it in? I imagine many have made this mistake. >> >> Thel >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "pamandrandy" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 07:53 PM >> Subject: Re: [DAVENPORT] RE: Documentation >> >> >> > I can relate to that my husbands 3 great grandfather jerimiah davenport >> and his second wife sara fine snider davenport is a mess... >> > so who do we believe the census the records or the family bibles? if i >get >> information out of the census and then the birth and marriage bonds and >all >> three has different dates what do you do? >> > >> > pam rice church (searching for hubby's family) >> > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >> > From: "Devenport, Jim" <[email protected]> >> > Reply-To: [email protected] >> > Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:04:58 -0600 >> > >> > >Well, along this thread: >> > >My grandparents were married on 7 August 1910, according to their >family >> > >Bible. The marriage certificate, on file at the Chavez County >courthouse >> in >> > >Roswell, NM, signed by the minister who married them, states the >wedding >> > >date as 10 Aug 1910. So according to the "official" document, my >> > >grandparents were wrong in recording their wedding as 7 August. >Perhaps >> > >that was the day they obtained the marriage license or bond? Who >knows? >> > >The only thing I'm pretty certain of in this case is that they were >> married >> > >on one of these fine days in August. >> > >Errors occur for all sorts of reasons. I noticed that my >> > >great-great-grandmother Permelia Ann Reynolds, in one census recorded >> while >> > >she was living with her second husband, was listed as "age 39" when in >> fact >> > >she was 45, according to her family bible information and other >censuses. >> > >Might this have anything to do with the fact that her then-new husband >> > >listed his age as 40? Perhaps she fibbed about her age both to younger >> > >husband AND [Heaven Forbid] the census-taker? >> > >In later censuses her age is recorded accurately, but by then she was >no >> > >longer wed to a younger man. >> > >Surely she has to have been the only woman in history to have fibbed >> about >> > >her age or other statistics to a government official? <evil snicker> >> > >Jim Devenport >> > >(DNA participant anxiously awaiting results of the test. Hoping I >really >> AM >> > >a Devenport, and not the milkman's son, as my Dad often joked) >> >> >> ==== DAVENPORT Mailing List ==== >> For instructions on unsubscribing or searching the list archives visit: >> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nvjack/davnport/group.htm >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> >> > > >==== DAVENPORT Mailing List ==== >For instructions on unsubscribing or searching the list archives visit: >http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nvjack/davnport/group.htm > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >--- >[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > >

Mistakes in recordkeeping is not just an "old time" problem. Several years ago we were checking records in Austin and found that our son's birth certificate was in error. His birthday was listed as the 2nd rather than the 22nd, and his father's occupation was listed as fireman. His father was a rancher. If we had not found the error and corrected it just think what fun the descendants would have with that in future years! By the way, I am still hoping for information on the family of Seaborn Ludwell Davenport's family. Their occupations, etc. Surely someone knows more than I do which is nothing!! Mary Lou

What if the minister did not record the marriage in the place that he married the couple. If the minister was traveling one then he recorded the marriage up or down the river from the wedding place or he recorded when he got home. I have family living in VA the minister was from Maryland. That is where he record my ancestor marriage. Has anyone looked for the application of marriage? This is wonderful for the couple filed it out. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: Devenport, Jim <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 1:38 PM Subject: RE: [DAVENPORT] Family Bible vs Census > As I recall (it's been 20 years or more since I went to the courthouse and > viewed these records), another doubt occurs about the minister's marriage > certificate date because the ENTRY into the ledger or journal was at least a > month AFTER the wedding, so it's hard to take total faith in his date that > is 3 days later than the fam Bible states. Any time something is written > down, errors are common. > One more reason for US to record events, thoughts, and memories IMMEDIATELY, > like the same day, or it will too soon grow fuzzy on the details. > When different docs record different dates, and no way to disprove or prove, > I try to record ALL dates and sources where found. Makes interesting > reading even if you can't figure out the exact date. > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rev. Paul D. Curtis [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 6:08 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [DAVENPORT] Family Bible vs Census > > > I tend to believe the 'family Bible records' instead of the census, for this > reason: in the case of my own marriage, the Minister who performed our > marriage wrote down the wrong date of our marriage. He wrote down the > date he mailed in the Marriage Certificate [license] to the county instead > of the date of our actual marriage. So, on the County Marriage Records > the date recorded for our marriage is WRONG! > > My husband is a Minister and it's very easy to make this same mistake the > way the Marriage Certificates are worded. It's a bit confusing to the > Minister > ...does he sign his name and date it the day of the actual marriage or the > date he's mailing it in? I imagine many have made this mistake. > > Thel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pamandrandy" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 07:53 PM > Subject: Re: [DAVENPORT] RE: Documentation > > > > I can relate to that my husbands 3 great grandfather jerimiah davenport > and his second wife sara fine snider davenport is a mess... > > so who do we believe the census the records or the family bibles? if i get > information out of the census and then the birth and marriage bonds and all > three has different dates what do you do? > > > > pam rice church (searching for hubby's family) > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > > From: "Devenport, Jim" <[email protected]> > > Reply-To: [email protected] > > Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:04:58 -0600 > > > > >Well, along this thread: > > >My grandparents were married on 7 August 1910, according to their family > > >Bible. The marriage certificate, on file at the Chavez County courthouse > in > > >Roswell, NM, signed by the minister who married them, states the wedding > > >date as 10 Aug 1910. So according to the "official" document, my > > >grandparents were wrong in recording their wedding as 7 August. Perhaps > > >that was the day they obtained the marriage license or bond? Who knows? > > >The only thing I'm pretty certain of in this case is that they were > married > > >on one of these fine days in August. > > >Errors occur for all sorts of reasons. I noticed that my > > >great-great-grandmother Permelia Ann Reynolds, in one census recorded > while > > >she was living with her second husband, was listed as "age 39" when in > fact > > >she was 45, according to her family bible information and other censuses. > > >Might this have anything to do with the fact that her then-new husband > > >listed his age as 40? Perhaps she fibbed about her age both to younger > > >husband AND [Heaven Forbid] the census-taker? > > >In later censuses her age is recorded accurately, but by then she was no > > >longer wed to a younger man. > > >Surely she has to have been the only woman in history to have fibbed > about > > >her age or other statistics to a government official? <evil snicker> > > >Jim Devenport > > >(DNA participant anxiously awaiting results of the test. Hoping I really > AM > > >a Devenport, and not the milkman's son, as my Dad often joked) > > > ==== DAVENPORT Mailing List ==== > For instructions on unsubscribing or searching the list archives visit: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nvjack/davnport/group.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I must admit I am enjoying this list more than most. Through it I have wandered back many generations, and found several other descendants of Davis/Martin/James but so far none of James' daughter Susannah (+Wm Hewell) and their daughter Charlotte (+John Jouett Pass). Very interested in knowing is there are other Pass descendants on this list. Joyce Dixon Helmers

In a message dated 6/24/03 11:09:48 AM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Susannah Davenport b abt 1756 Hanover Co., VA d 1856 Newton Co., GA; m > William Wyatt Hewell December 01, 1784, Hanover Co., VA; b October 15, 1756, > Frederick Co., Virginia. He died about 1818 in Oglethorpe Co., Georgia. This > man's estate was probated in November 1818. He was the son of Joseph Hewell > and Frances Wyatt. > > Joseph Hewell has been a dead end for me. Frances Wyatt can be traced back through Rev. Haute Wyatt on to William the Conqueror and Charlemagne. Jno

In a message dated 6/24/03 11:09:48 AM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nvjack/davnport/d1099.htm#P1099 There seems to be a problem with this address. It is reported "Not Found On This Server". Jno

This was sent to another list... Thought we could all benefit from a few laughs... SHIFTING STONES An older friend, recently returned from her hometown in North Carolina,says they've spruced up the churchyard cemetery since her last visit several years back. "Lots of new greenery," she said. "And families are together now." "Together?" I asked, puzzled. "Well, years ago they never much worried where they buried someone because everyone was a neighbor anyhow. They'd just dig a grave wherever it seemed to balance things. But, they've redone it so people are with their children and grandchildren, instead of scattered." "You mean they exhumed all those people and buried them?" "Oh no," she said. "They just shifted the headstones. Everyone agrees it looks ever so much nicer."

In a message dated 6/24/03 7:02:43 AM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > . He wrote down the > date he mailed in the Marriage Certificate [license] to the county instead > of the date of our actual marriage. This is old stuff. You have to look for BOTH dates. They may be days, weeks, or months apart, but even today, the day the marriage certificate is taken out is not the date that the marriage took place. Jno

I tend to believe the 'family Bible records' instead of the census, for this reason: in the case of my own marriage, the Minister who performed our marriage wrote down the wrong date of our marriage. He wrote down the date he mailed in the Marriage Certificate [license] to the county instead of the date of our actual marriage. So, on the County Marriage Records the date recorded for our marriage is WRONG! My husband is a Minister and it's very easy to make this same mistake the way the Marriage Certificates are worded. It's a bit confusing to the Minister ...does he sign his name and date it the day of the actual marriage or the date he's mailing it in? I imagine many have made this mistake. Thel ----- Original Message ----- From: "pamandrandy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 07:53 PM Subject: Re: [DAVENPORT] RE: Documentation > I can relate to that my husbands 3 great grandfather jerimiah davenport and his second wife sara fine snider davenport is a mess... > so who do we believe the census the records or the family bibles? if i get information out of the census and then the birth and marriage bonds and all three has different dates what do you do? > > pam rice church (searching for hubby's family) > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Devenport, Jim" <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:04:58 -0600 > > >Well, along this thread: > >My grandparents were married on 7 August 1910, according to their family > >Bible. The marriage certificate, on file at the Chavez County courthouse in > >Roswell, NM, signed by the minister who married them, states the wedding > >date as 10 Aug 1910. So according to the "official" document, my > >grandparents were wrong in recording their wedding as 7 August. Perhaps > >that was the day they obtained the marriage license or bond? Who knows? > >The only thing I'm pretty certain of in this case is that they were married > >on one of these fine days in August. > >Errors occur for all sorts of reasons. I noticed that my > >great-great-grandmother Permelia Ann Reynolds, in one census recorded while > >she was living with her second husband, was listed as "age 39" when in fact > >she was 45, according to her family bible information and other censuses. > >Might this have anything to do with the fact that her then-new husband > >listed his age as 40? Perhaps she fibbed about her age both to younger > >husband AND [Heaven Forbid] the census-taker? > >In later censuses her age is recorded accurately, but by then she was no > >longer wed to a younger man. > >Surely she has to have been the only woman in history to have fibbed about > >her age or other statistics to a government official? <evil snicker> > >Jim Devenport > >(DNA participant anxiously awaiting results of the test. Hoping I really AM > >a Devenport, and not the milkman's son, as my Dad often joked) > > > > > >==== DAVENPORT Mailing List ==== > >For instructions on unsubscribing or searching the list archives visit: > >http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nvjack/davnport/group.htm > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > >--- > >[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > > > > > ==== DAVENPORT Mailing List ==== > For instructions on unsubscribing or searching the list archives visit: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nvjack/davnport/group.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

As I recall (it's been 20 years or more since I went to the courthouse and viewed these records), another doubt occurs about the minister's marriage certificate date because the ENTRY into the ledger or journal was at least a month AFTER the wedding, so it's hard to take total faith in his date that is 3 days later than the fam Bible states. Any time something is written down, errors are common. One more reason for US to record events, thoughts, and memories IMMEDIATELY, like the same day, or it will too soon grow fuzzy on the details. When different docs record different dates, and no way to disprove or prove, I try to record ALL dates and sources where found. Makes interesting reading even if you can't figure out the exact date. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Rev. Paul D. Curtis [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 6:08 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [DAVENPORT] Family Bible vs Census I tend to believe the 'family Bible records' instead of the census, for this reason: in the case of my own marriage, the Minister who performed our marriage wrote down the wrong date of our marriage. He wrote down the date he mailed in the Marriage Certificate [license] to the county instead of the date of our actual marriage. So, on the County Marriage Records the date recorded for our marriage is WRONG! My husband is a Minister and it's very easy to make this same mistake the way the Marriage Certificates are worded. It's a bit confusing to the Minister ...does he sign his name and date it the day of the actual marriage or the date he's mailing it in? I imagine many have made this mistake. Thel ----- Original Message ----- From: "pamandrandy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 07:53 PM Subject: Re: [DAVENPORT] RE: Documentation > I can relate to that my husbands 3 great grandfather jerimiah davenport and his second wife sara fine snider davenport is a mess... > so who do we believe the census the records or the family bibles? if i get information out of the census and then the birth and marriage bonds and all three has different dates what do you do? > > pam rice church (searching for hubby's family) > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Devenport, Jim" <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:04:58 -0600 > > >Well, along this thread: > >My grandparents were married on 7 August 1910, according to their family > >Bible. The marriage certificate, on file at the Chavez County courthouse in > >Roswell, NM, signed by the minister who married them, states the wedding > >date as 10 Aug 1910. So according to the "official" document, my > >grandparents were wrong in recording their wedding as 7 August. Perhaps > >that was the day they obtained the marriage license or bond? Who knows? > >The only thing I'm pretty certain of in this case is that they were married > >on one of these fine days in August. > >Errors occur for all sorts of reasons. I noticed that my > >great-great-grandmother Permelia Ann Reynolds, in one census recorded while > >she was living with her second husband, was listed as "age 39" when in fact > >she was 45, according to her family bible information and other censuses. > >Might this have anything to do with the fact that her then-new husband > >listed his age as 40? Perhaps she fibbed about her age both to younger > >husband AND [Heaven Forbid] the census-taker? > >In later censuses her age is recorded accurately, but by then she was no > >longer wed to a younger man. > >Surely she has to have been the only woman in history to have fibbed about > >her age or other statistics to a government official? <evil snicker> > >Jim Devenport > >(DNA participant anxiously awaiting results of the test. Hoping I really AM > >a Devenport, and not the milkman's son, as my Dad often joked)

I doubt anyone would quible with copies of documents no matter how many times removed from the original. What is available but copies? Cliff Davenport Mill City, OR