OOOOOPS ( red face) I really meant that note to Toni to be only to her... the e-mail I was replying to showed her as the sender and I did no realize it was going to the list until I hit "send" and it showed that was where it was going! I admit it was " chat", SORRY, folks! Maybe we have a probllem with our programs doing that, and I, for one , need to watch what I am doing! Catherine