Rene, I know that was for Dave...but I want to tell you how touching it was. Truly a wonderful heartwarming story. jan At 07:41 PM 1/20/02 -0600, you wrote: >This is long, but I want to share the story of what we have been through >this year, and how wonderfully and blessed we all feel now. > >In August of 2000, two days before her 19th birthday, I found out my >daughter was pregnant. I was devastated. We convinced her to go to her >community college for one more semester, then move back home in December, >when her semester was over. It was hard, being pregnant and going to school, >but she made it through. We rearranged our house to welcome her back. I >bought maternity clothes and baby things. She was very very careful to take >care of herself throughout her pregnancy. > >On April 17, I was with her all night and the next day at noon my husband >and I welcomed our new granddaughter into the world. I was terrified about >my daughter being a mother and trying to build a life for herself and the >baby. > >Later that night, the doctor discovered that the baby had a heart defect and >she was medflighted to a medical facility 100 miles from our home. Five days >later she had open heart surgery, and my daughter and I stayed at Ronald >McDonald house for 10 days while the baby recovered. My daughter pumped her >breasts 3 times a day so that she could nurse the baby. She stayed with her >most of the day and a lot of the night. She held the baby while the doctor >took the chest tubes out of the baby's chest when I had to leave the room. > >To make a too-long story shorter, the baby is now healthy and wonderful and >I couldn't imagine my life without her! My daughter is a marvelous mother, >and she never has to ask because her dad and I tell her often how incredible >a mother she is. > >I, on the other hand, cannot remember ever asking my father if I was a good >mother, though I love my father dearly and we have a decent relationship. >I've definitely had many days when I wondered if I was doing the right >things with my children. Parenting is not easy. When we are young, we look >up to our parents as being perfect and having all the answers. But when we >have children ourselves, it seems like a grand experiment. "Well, try this >and if it works, great, if it doesn't, try something else." We can only do >the best we can. > >That is what I tell my daughter. I support her in all her endeavors (she >just started back to school). I am just joyous to have this time with my >precious grandchild, knowing that one day they will move out and I won't get >to have such an active part in their lives. > >My 2 cents... >Rene' > > > >==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >GENEALOGY goes on... and on... and on...

Thanks, jan. That means a lot coming from a wonderful storyteller like yourself! I truly enjoy your stories, and usually shed tears over them. Rene -----Original Message----- From: j [mailto:unicorn@sun-spot.com] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 8:12 PM To: DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: Dad...Am I a good Mom ??? Rene, I know that was for Dave...but I want to tell you how touching it was. Truly a wonderful heartwarming story. jan At 07:41 PM 1/20/02 -0600, you wrote: >This is long, but I want to share the story of what we have been through >this year, and how wonderfully and blessed we all feel now. > >In August of 2000, two days before her 19th birthday, I found out my >daughter was pregnant. I was devastated. We convinced her to go to her >community college for one more semester, then move back home in December, >when her semester was over. It was hard, being pregnant and going to school, >but she made it through. We rearranged our house to welcome her back. I >bought maternity clothes and baby things. She was very very careful to take >care of herself throughout her pregnancy. > >On April 17, I was with her all night and the next day at noon my husband >and I welcomed our new granddaughter into the world. I was terrified about >my daughter being a mother and trying to build a life for herself and the >baby. > >Later that night, the doctor discovered that the baby had a heart defect and >she was medflighted to a medical facility 100 miles from our home. Five days >later she had open heart surgery, and my daughter and I stayed at Ronald >McDonald house for 10 days while the baby recovered. My daughter pumped her >breasts 3 times a day so that she could nurse the baby. She stayed with her >most of the day and a lot of the night. She held the baby while the doctor >took the chest tubes out of the baby's chest when I had to leave the room. > >To make a too-long story shorter, the baby is now healthy and wonderful and >I couldn't imagine my life without her! My daughter is a marvelous mother, >and she never has to ask because her dad and I tell her often how incredible >a mother she is. > >I, on the other hand, cannot remember ever asking my father if I was a good >mother, though I love my father dearly and we have a decent relationship. >I've definitely had many days when I wondered if I was doing the right >things with my children. Parenting is not easy. When we are young, we look >up to our parents as being perfect and having all the answers. But when we >have children ourselves, it seems like a grand experiment. "Well, try this >and if it works, great, if it doesn't, try something else." We can only do >the best we can. > >That is what I tell my daughter. I support her in all her endeavors (she >just started back to school). I am just joyous to have this time with my >precious grandchild, knowing that one day they will move out and I won't get >to have such an active part in their lives. > >My 2 cents... >Rene' > > > >==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >GENEALOGY goes on... and on... and on... ==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== Okay.... so I don't descend from anyone...... Now What ????

This is long, but I want to share the story of what we have been through this year, and how wonderfully and blessed we all feel now. In August of 2000, two days before her 19th birthday, I found out my daughter was pregnant. I was devastated. We convinced her to go to her community college for one more semester, then move back home in December, when her semester was over. It was hard, being pregnant and going to school, but she made it through. We rearranged our house to welcome her back. I bought maternity clothes and baby things. She was very very careful to take care of herself throughout her pregnancy. On April 17, I was with her all night and the next day at noon my husband and I welcomed our new granddaughter into the world. I was terrified about my daughter being a mother and trying to build a life for herself and the baby. Later that night, the doctor discovered that the baby had a heart defect and she was medflighted to a medical facility 100 miles from our home. Five days later she had open heart surgery, and my daughter and I stayed at Ronald McDonald house for 10 days while the baby recovered. My daughter pumped her breasts 3 times a day so that she could nurse the baby. She stayed with her most of the day and a lot of the night. She held the baby while the doctor took the chest tubes out of the baby's chest when I had to leave the room. To make a too-long story shorter, the baby is now healthy and wonderful and I couldn't imagine my life without her! My daughter is a marvelous mother, and she never has to ask because her dad and I tell her often how incredible a mother she is. I, on the other hand, cannot remember ever asking my father if I was a good mother, though I love my father dearly and we have a decent relationship. I've definitely had many days when I wondered if I was doing the right things with my children. Parenting is not easy. When we are young, we look up to our parents as being perfect and having all the answers. But when we have children ourselves, it seems like a grand experiment. "Well, try this and if it works, great, if it doesn't, try something else." We can only do the best we can. That is what I tell my daughter. I support her in all her endeavors (she just started back to school). I am just joyous to have this time with my precious grandchild, knowing that one day they will move out and I won't get to have such an active part in their lives. My 2 cents... Rene'

HEY FRACK! Ole times again, huh??? Glad to see you back pal, now let's get busy and give our pal Dave some a run for his money. <BG> For those of you wondering who are new? we are the old Frick-Frack team. Pale Rock Hider and allied. Ready to rock and roll...how bout letting me know how many Stewart researchers we got out there??? jan

I have been unsubbed too long...and thought I had better check in... Sure have missed you all and Mr. Snow!<g> I have been traveling all summer have logged about 13K miles this season.. and the 'rig' is parked in a storage facility...letting it and me rest!! Hopefully I will get to work in Yellowstone next summer... but we will see... Right now I am nursing the flu and a bad fall but all in all .... I am ok.... OK! Now... what is happening in DC? DID I SAY I AM GLAD TO BE HERE???<VVBG> Cher CC Dickson County Tn

Hey Jan, One of your Kennedy's married one of them Dortch's over in Stewart County....yeah????? Dave

Jean, Here's the problem with the Pierces and particularly Martha Angeline........ There are 2 main Pierce lines the area....between Henry and Benton Counties..just like there are 3 main Dortch lines that run in the area and up into Kentucky.......the Pierce lines are obviously related, but back in N.Carolina and Kentucky.... Haven't been able to determine whether the lines are brothers or cousins.....one is the John Pierce-Rachael Ross line and the other is your Stephen Pierce-Lavinia Geers line..........there also were a couple other lines that moved in and out of the area. Dallas....can you help her here ???? You and I discussed this Pierce line before and I can't find my records....Martha Angeline is part of Kiziahs' line down the road.....and I can't find the connection right now.....but I've stumbled with Martha a number of times.......she's involved with the Coopers and McDaniels....just don't remember where or when (old age I guess).... Any of you 'old time' Pierce researchers able to help......???? Dave ------------------------------------------------- At 10:05 PM 1/21/02 -0500, GJCloke1@cs.com wrote: >Dave, > >Thanks anyway on the BETHANY--BEATON/BETHUNE thing. Gotta check any >possibility. > >I don't have a whole lot on Martha Angelina/Angeline PIERCE, who was my >gr-gr-grandmother. But here is what I have. According to my own estimate >from Census records, etc., she was born ABT 1839 in Henry Co., TN. Her >father was Augustus PIERCE son of Stephen PIERCE & Lavinia GEERS, but I have >not been able to find anything on her mother. I have seven siblings for >Martha...... Elizabeth Caroline, Lavinia Catherine, William B., Pinckney >Stephen, George W., Mary Jane, & Sarah R. Augustus is buried in Barbee >Cemetery in Henry Co., TN. > >She married Charles Homer BETHANY July 8, 1861 in Henry Co., TN, and moved to >Benton Co. where he lived. C.H. already had seven children of his own and a >step-son. This was his third marriage. Martha & C.H. had at least 12 >children, the second being my gr-grandmother, Martha Jane. > >Sometime toward the end of the Civil war they moved to Texas Co., MO and >remained there until about 1873 when they moved to Newton Co., AR. After >C.H. died in Dec. 1900, she kept the property for a while, but then began >moving around living with her children for several months to a year or so at >a time. She died in August 1915 near Earlsboro, Pottawatomie Co., OK while >living with one of her daughters, and is buried in an unmarked grave in the >Earlsboro Cemetery. My grandmother showed me where the grave was years ago, >so at least we know where it is. I hope to get a stone on it this year. > >There are a couple of discrepancies in the information I have accumulated >that disagree with the above info. One is that some other BETHANY >researchers have her middle name as Lucretia instead of Angelina. The second >is a family story that Martha Angeline PIERCE was abandoned as an infant on >the doorstep of the home of a minister, Augustus PIERCE. Martha was at >least part Indian and may have been full-blood. The PIERCE family took her >in and raised her as one of their own. It has been speculated that she was >abandoned during the removal of the Cherokee's to Indian Territory since two >of the trails used went through the area of Henry Co., TN where the PIERCE >family lived. One theory is that her mother had died and she was left there >so she would be taken care of. > >This is about all I have on her, other than a couple of pictures other >researchers have sent me. I can send those directly to you, if you like. > >Do you have some additional info on Martha or C.H.? > >Thanks and have a good day, >Jean > > >==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >Hi Ho! Hi Ho! Now where did my ancestors go ?? >

SammieJean, Nothing on Climer...but.....McKinnis is a sept of Clan MacKenzie... Dave ------------------------------------ At 08:51 AM 1/22/02 -0500, Jean Fairchild wrote: >This is very interesting. Do you all have anything on the Climer or Mckinnis clans. > >Thank you > >SammieJean Gregory-Fairchild > >----- Original Message -----

Hey you Dave...give me a bit to gather my wool and I will participate! <BG> Just got back from another flying trip to Tenn. One of my aunts was in critical condition, but she has beat it down again! Tough ole bird! And by golly, I sure hope I have her "tough ole bird" genes, cause she is one more 91 year old wonder woman, sure enough! <BG> LBL raised em good and STRONG! jan

Dave...I didn't feel chatised....too old for that!!! And hope you did not by my words either. Daddy always said I have a big mouth! Your response to your daughter's question was perfect! She's a lucky lady to have you for a Dad. And I hope your Deb knows how lucky she is to have you for a hubby. Also would like to say that I found the posts of both Paulette and tharper very moving... (Donna sends Dave Snow a hug just because...) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

Jan, Try the eastern isle of the UK....Irish....they came later to build the Railroads out of New England in the 1850's... Another story......with the Butlers who built Ira's RR's.....HE can HELP you with the McElroy's.....ask him...he's got some good history here..... Also, check the 'Special' 1850 RR Census......Look to the Benton Co. Website for an example....... Dave At 07:05 PM 1/21/02 -0500, j wrote: >I only got one of those "Mc's" in my heritage, Dave. <BG> McElroy. Now >canya do anything with that one?? And be nice. > >jan > >At 05:29 AM 1/18/02 -0700, you wrote: >>YES YOU DO.......but....there's a secret you'll don't know...about >>'Septs'.....sub-groups <got'cha> ....ignorance is sometimes >>..Bliss..sometmes it cuts your heart out.........'McRea' for example, is a >>Sept...of Clan MacKenzie...so are the McLoeds (this is McClouds).........do >>your homework......not many in the local area have escaped the the Scottish >>'curse'... >> >>Dave >> >>At 04:57 PM 1/21/02 -0500, j wrote: >> >Wow, Dave! That is interesting! Do you have to be a McKenzie to be in >> >those charts? All those my folks' stomping grounds, but I don't think I >> >have a drop of McKenzie blood... >> > >> >At 03:18 AM 1/18/02 -0700, you wrote: >> >>In the Fall of 1824, a 49 year old Scott, crossed the Tennessee River, from >> >>near Erin in what is now Houston Co (that used to be Humphreys Co., and >> >>then used to be Stewart Co.), and searched-out a new Homestead for his >> >>family of 6, on Sugar Creek (near current-day Big Sandy) in Benton County >> >>(which used to be Barbados, which used to be Virginia, which used to be >> >>Carolina, which used to be N. Carolina, which used to be Indian Territory, >> >>which used to be Humphreys County)......hoping to move his wife and family >> >>into a new home by Christmas....... >> >> >> >>Just after marring his young Scottish bride of 19, Nancy Beaton, on >> >>February 13, 1812 in Stewart Co. at Dover., the then 38 year old Malcolm >> >>McKenzie, joined Gen. Andrew Jackson (when he came thru the area >> >>recruiting) to fight the British in the War of 1812. Malcolm was >> >>reportedly 'Killed-in-Action' during the War, and Nancy received a Widow's >> >>Pension.....But then, Malcolm made a miraculous recovery from his 'mortal >> >>wounds' and returned home to receive only a 'wounded pension' from the US >> >>Government for his service...... >> >> >> >>Imagine if you would, what it might have been like in 1824, to enter into >> >>the Wilderness of then Humphreys County (which just a few years prior had >> >>been Indian Territory) and carve-out a new homestead.....alone.....for your >> >>wife and 6 kids. >> >> >> >>Malcom's parents (Gilbert & Margrette McKenzie) came to Wilmington, N. >> >>Carolina in December 1774 after a 2 month voyage from Greenock, Scotland >> >>aboard the ship, Diana. Margrette was pregnant with Malcolm during the >> >>journey....she gave birth to Malcolm during the trip or shortley after >> >>arriving in Wilmington. They left Scotland, after being reduced to >> >>'bleeding' their cattle and drinking their blood to survive.....This is >> >>another tale in itself...... >> >> >> >>Gilbert fought in the Revolutionary War with the British.....as did the >> >>majority of Scotts who settled in the present day Carolinas and Georgia. >> >>They suffered greatly after the War and their children (in this case >> >>Malcolm) left the Raleigh area by 1812. Malcolm took the usual boat route >> >>from N. Carolina to Dover, Stewart Co. with a lot of the Scottish Clans... >> >> >> >>A little history......the names..Nancy and Ann... in Gaelic are the same >> >>names.....contrary to popular belief....Nancy Beaton WAS NOT NAMED ...Nancy >> >>ANN Beaton in 1793......that would be like calling President George >> >>Bush....GEORGE GEORGE BUSH....her name was Nancy OR Ann...but NOT Nancy >> >>Ann....it was Anglicized to Nancy Ann...... >> >> >> >>2nd....in Gaelic....surnames Beaton and Bethune....who were quite prominent >> >>in old Stewart, Humphreys, Houston and Benton Counties........are the >> >>same.....pronounced ...bee-toon'.......The Beatons' or Bethunes' are an >> >>extrememly respected religous name in old Scotland....as they were the >> >>priests and ministers of the Church.....and were the founders of the Church >> >> >>of Canada after most of the N. Carolina Scotts went to Canada after the >> >>Revolutionary War....... >> >> >> >>I will tell you the story later as to how these Scotts fought with the >> >>English (and this is a VERY, VERY IMPORTANT historical note............it's >> >>ENGLISH and not BRITISH......you offend Wales, Ireland and Scotland (these >> >>folks HATED the ENGLISH in 1774) by including them in the Revolutionary War >> >>as 'British' ........the War was fought with ENGLAND and NOT...Wales, >> >>Ireland and Scotland.....it was.... TOTALLY ENGLISH.... >> >> >> >>More stories later..... >> >> >> >> >> >>But...... >> >> >> >>I have, in hand, copies of the Royal Peerage Charts of the McKenzies back >> >>to the 11th Century.....I received them from the current Laird of the >> >>MacKenzies as a gift thru the Clan McKenzie of Canada....for personal >> >>research connecting the Clans settlements in the Americas after the Battle >> >>of Collouden Moor in April of 1745........ >> >> >> >>THese are very rare documents, as they are NOT available to the General >> >>Public..... >> >> >> >>Three things..... >> >> >> >>1. These gen-charts, from the 1000's to the late 1800's, provide a >> >>genealogical history to a number of you in Northern Benton Country >> >>(particularly around Big Sandy) and the surrounding counties. If you have >> >>an interest in them...I will provide you a copy (at whatever it cost me to >> >>reproduce them)......let me know.... >> >> >> >>2. I have established the link between Gilbert (b. 1740), his son Malcolm >> >>(b. 1774) of Benton Co. and the Ancient MacKenzie Clan >> >>gen-charts...........I leave 'the link' for you to discover on your own >> >>however......It is important to me..that you do this yourselves......if you >> >>find the right connections....I will provide you with missing >>documents...... >> >> >> >>3. However, those of you who are descendant of Malcolms' son, Gilbert, >> >>thru his son Jethro, and subsequently Fred McKenzie (who married Grace >> >>Thelma Wimberley in 1921) may not find these 'Charts" of interest....you >> >>may want to look to the Robbins' family genealogy instead.......There's an >> >>old genealogical ryhme, which has stood the test of time, (making a new >> >>ryhme here <vbg>)...that goes......'Mamas' Baby...Daddy's Maybe'....You >> >>research it.... and figure it out..... >> >> >> >>Dave >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >> >>What do you mean my Birth Certificate expired ??? >> > >> > >> >==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >> >Hi Ho! Hi Ho! Now where did my ancestors go ?? >> > >> >> >>==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >>GENEALOGY is like Hide & Seek: >>They Hide & I Seek !! > > >==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >Hi Ho! Hi Ho! Now where did my ancestors go ?? >

Jan, Try the eastern isle of the UK....Irish....they came later to build the Railroads out of New England in the 1850's... Another story......with the Butlers who built Ira's RR's.....HE can HELP you with the McElroy's.....ask him...he's got some good history here..... Also, check the 'Special' 1850 RR Census......Look to the Benton Co. Website for an example....... Dave At 07:05 PM 1/21/02 -0500, j wrote: >I only got one of those "Mc's" in my heritage, Dave. <BG> McElroy. Now >canya do anything with that one?? And be nice. > >jan > >At 05:29 AM 1/18/02 -0700, you wrote: >>YES YOU DO.......but....there's a secret you'll don't know...about >>'Septs'.....sub-groups <got'cha> ....ignorance is sometimes >>..Bliss..sometmes it cuts your heart out.........'McRea' for example, is a >>Sept...of Clan MacKenzie...so are the McLoeds (this is McClouds).........do >>your homework......not many in the local area have escaped the the Scottish >>'curse'... >> >>Dave >> >>At 04:57 PM 1/21/02 -0500, j wrote: >> >Wow, Dave! That is interesting! Do you have to be a McKenzie to be in >> >those charts? All those my folks' stomping grounds, but I don't think I >> >have a drop of McKenzie blood... >> > >> >At 03:18 AM 1/18/02 -0700, you wrote: >> >>In the Fall of 1824, a 49 year old Scott, crossed the Tennessee River, from >> >>near Erin in what is now Houston Co (that used to be Humphreys Co., and >> >>then used to be Stewart Co.), and searched-out a new Homestead for his >> >>family of 6, on Sugar Creek (near current-day Big Sandy) in Benton County >> >>(which used to be Barbados, which used to be Virginia, which used to be >> >>Carolina, which used to be N. Carolina, which used to be Indian Territory, >> >>which used to be Humphreys County)......hoping to move his wife and family >> >>into a new home by Christmas....... >> >> >> >>Just after marring his young Scottish bride of 19, Nancy Beaton, on >> >>February 13, 1812 in Stewart Co. at Dover., the then 38 year old Malcolm >> >>McKenzie, joined Gen. Andrew Jackson (when he came thru the area >> >>recruiting) to fight the British in the War of 1812. Malcolm was >> >>reportedly 'Killed-in-Action' during the War, and Nancy received a Widow's >> >>Pension.....But then, Malcolm made a miraculous recovery from his 'mortal >> >>wounds' and returned home to receive only a 'wounded pension' from the US >> >>Government for his service...... >> >> >> >>Imagine if you would, what it might have been like in 1824, to enter into >> >>the Wilderness of then Humphreys County (which just a few years prior had >> >>been Indian Territory) and carve-out a new homestead.....alone.....for your >> >>wife and 6 kids. >> >> >> >>Malcom's parents (Gilbert & Margrette McKenzie) came to Wilmington, N. >> >>Carolina in December 1774 after a 2 month voyage from Greenock, Scotland >> >>aboard the ship, Diana. Margrette was pregnant with Malcolm during the >> >>journey....she gave birth to Malcolm during the trip or shortley after >> >>arriving in Wilmington. They left Scotland, after being reduced to >> >>'bleeding' their cattle and drinking their blood to survive.....This is >> >>another tale in itself...... >> >> >> >>Gilbert fought in the Revolutionary War with the British.....as did the >> >>majority of Scotts who settled in the present day Carolinas and Georgia. >> >>They suffered greatly after the War and their children (in this case >> >>Malcolm) left the Raleigh area by 1812. Malcolm took the usual boat route >> >>from N. Carolina to Dover, Stewart Co. with a lot of the Scottish Clans... >> >> >> >>A little history......the names..Nancy and Ann... in Gaelic are the same >> >>names.....contrary to popular belief....Nancy Beaton WAS NOT NAMED ...Nancy >> >>ANN Beaton in 1793......that would be like calling President George >> >>Bush....GEORGE GEORGE BUSH....her name was Nancy OR Ann...but NOT Nancy >> >>Ann....it was Anglicized to Nancy Ann...... >> >> >> >>2nd....in Gaelic....surnames Beaton and Bethune....who were quite prominent >> >>in old Stewart, Humphreys, Houston and Benton Counties........are the >> >>same.....pronounced ...bee-toon'.......The Beatons' or Bethunes' are an >> >>extrememly respected religous name in old Scotland....as they were the >> >>priests and ministers of the Church.....and were the founders of the Church >> >> >>of Canada after most of the N. Carolina Scotts went to Canada after the >> >>Revolutionary War....... >> >> >> >>I will tell you the story later as to how these Scotts fought with the >> >>English (and this is a VERY, VERY IMPORTANT historical note............it's >> >>ENGLISH and not BRITISH......you offend Wales, Ireland and Scotland (these >> >>folks HATED the ENGLISH in 1774) by including them in the Revolutionary War >> >>as 'British' ........the War was fought with ENGLAND and NOT...Wales, >> >>Ireland and Scotland.....it was.... TOTALLY ENGLISH.... >> >> >> >>More stories later..... >> >> >> >> >> >>But...... >> >> >> >>I have, in hand, copies of the Royal Peerage Charts of the McKenzies back >> >>to the 11th Century.....I received them from the current Laird of the >> >>MacKenzies as a gift thru the Clan McKenzie of Canada....for personal >> >>research connecting the Clans settlements in the Americas after the Battle >> >>of Collouden Moor in April of 1745........ >> >> >> >>THese are very rare documents, as they are NOT available to the General >> >>Public..... >> >> >> >>Three things..... >> >> >> >>1. These gen-charts, from the 1000's to the late 1800's, provide a >> >>genealogical history to a number of you in Northern Benton Country >> >>(particularly around Big Sandy) and the surrounding counties. If you have >> >>an interest in them...I will provide you a copy (at whatever it cost me to >> >>reproduce them)......let me know.... >> >> >> >>2. I have established the link between Gilbert (b. 1740), his son Malcolm >> >>(b. 1774) of Benton Co. and the Ancient MacKenzie Clan >> >>gen-charts...........I leave 'the link' for you to discover on your own >> >>however......It is important to me..that you do this yourselves......if you >> >>find the right connections....I will provide you with missing >>documents...... >> >> >> >>3. However, those of you who are descendant of Malcolms' son, Gilbert, >> >>thru his son Jethro, and subsequently Fred McKenzie (who married Grace >> >>Thelma Wimberley in 1921) may not find these 'Charts" of interest....you >> >>may want to look to the Robbins' family genealogy instead.......There's an >> >>old genealogical ryhme, which has stood the test of time, (making a new >> >>ryhme here <vbg>)...that goes......'Mamas' Baby...Daddy's Maybe'....You >> >>research it.... and figure it out..... >> >> >> >>Dave >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >> >>What do you mean my Birth Certificate expired ??? >> > >> > >> >==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >> >Hi Ho! Hi Ho! Now where did my ancestors go ?? >> > >> >> >>==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >>GENEALOGY is like Hide & Seek: >>They Hide & I Seek !! > > >==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >Hi Ho! Hi Ho! Now where did my ancestors go ?? >

Everyone with e-mail addresses at 'Hotmail.com'', is getting bounced to the List...... Folks, get it straight.....or get off the List with your 'Hot mail" address....... I'm not going to put-up with Microsoft and their Idiot 'crackers' who program their servers..... This an inconvience to me and extremely disrespectful to the Listowners who have done this for years..... Tell Microsoft to 'fix' their problems.......or I'll BARE YOU from the List........ Dave PS: These guys are 'idiots' when it comes to the Web.....I've been here...done this...over 30 years ago...tell them to get there 'act' together.....I've no patience for this....you're paying for it monthly...neither should you....

YES YOU DO.......but....there's a secret you'll don't know...about 'Septs'.....sub-groups <got'cha> ....ignorance is sometimes ..Bliss..sometmes it cuts your heart out.........'McRea' for example, is a Sept...of Clan MacKenzie...so are the McLoeds (this is McClouds).........do your homework......not many in the local area have escaped the the Scottish 'curse'... Dave At 04:57 PM 1/21/02 -0500, j wrote: >Wow, Dave! That is interesting! Do you have to be a McKenzie to be in >those charts? All those my folks' stomping grounds, but I don't think I >have a drop of McKenzie blood... > >At 03:18 AM 1/18/02 -0700, you wrote: >>In the Fall of 1824, a 49 year old Scott, crossed the Tennessee River, from >>near Erin in what is now Houston Co (that used to be Humphreys Co., and >>then used to be Stewart Co.), and searched-out a new Homestead for his >>family of 6, on Sugar Creek (near current-day Big Sandy) in Benton County >>(which used to be Barbados, which used to be Virginia, which used to be >>Carolina, which used to be N. Carolina, which used to be Indian Territory, >>which used to be Humphreys County)......hoping to move his wife and family >>into a new home by Christmas....... >> >>Just after marring his young Scottish bride of 19, Nancy Beaton, on >>February 13, 1812 in Stewart Co. at Dover., the then 38 year old Malcolm >>McKenzie, joined Gen. Andrew Jackson (when he came thru the area >>recruiting) to fight the British in the War of 1812. Malcolm was >>reportedly 'Killed-in-Action' during the War, and Nancy received a Widow's >>Pension.....But then, Malcolm made a miraculous recovery from his 'mortal >>wounds' and returned home to receive only a 'wounded pension' from the US >>Government for his service...... >> >>Imagine if you would, what it might have been like in 1824, to enter into >>the Wilderness of then Humphreys County (which just a few years prior had >>been Indian Territory) and carve-out a new homestead.....alone.....for your >>wife and 6 kids. >> >>Malcom's parents (Gilbert & Margrette McKenzie) came to Wilmington, N. >>Carolina in December 1774 after a 2 month voyage from Greenock, Scotland >>aboard the ship, Diana. Margrette was pregnant with Malcolm during the >>journey....she gave birth to Malcolm during the trip or shortley after >>arriving in Wilmington. They left Scotland, after being reduced to >>'bleeding' their cattle and drinking their blood to survive.....This is >>another tale in itself...... >> >>Gilbert fought in the Revolutionary War with the British.....as did the >>majority of Scotts who settled in the present day Carolinas and Georgia. >>They suffered greatly after the War and their children (in this case >>Malcolm) left the Raleigh area by 1812. Malcolm took the usual boat route >>from N. Carolina to Dover, Stewart Co. with a lot of the Scottish Clans... >> >>A little history......the names..Nancy and Ann... in Gaelic are the same >>names.....contrary to popular belief....Nancy Beaton WAS NOT NAMED ...Nancy >>ANN Beaton in 1793......that would be like calling President George >>Bush....GEORGE GEORGE BUSH....her name was Nancy OR Ann...but NOT Nancy >>Ann....it was Anglicized to Nancy Ann...... >> >>2nd....in Gaelic....surnames Beaton and Bethune....who were quite prominent >>in old Stewart, Humphreys, Houston and Benton Counties........are the >>same.....pronounced ...bee-toon'.......The Beatons' or Bethunes' are an >>extrememly respected religous name in old Scotland....as they were the >>priests and ministers of the Church.....and were the founders of the Church >>of Canada after most of the N. Carolina Scotts went to Canada after the >>Revolutionary War....... >> >>I will tell you the story later as to how these Scotts fought with the >>English (and this is a VERY, VERY IMPORTANT historical note............it's >>ENGLISH and not BRITISH......you offend Wales, Ireland and Scotland (these >>folks HATED the ENGLISH in 1774) by including them in the Revolutionary War >>as 'British' ........the War was fought with ENGLAND and NOT...Wales, >>Ireland and Scotland.....it was.... TOTALLY ENGLISH.... >> >>More stories later..... >> >> >>But...... >> >>I have, in hand, copies of the Royal Peerage Charts of the McKenzies back >>to the 11th Century.....I received them from the current Laird of the >>MacKenzies as a gift thru the Clan McKenzie of Canada....for personal >>research connecting the Clans settlements in the Americas after the Battle >>of Collouden Moor in April of 1745........ >> >>THese are very rare documents, as they are NOT available to the General >>Public..... >> >>Three things..... >> >>1. These gen-charts, from the 1000's to the late 1800's, provide a >>genealogical history to a number of you in Northern Benton Country >>(particularly around Big Sandy) and the surrounding counties. If you have >>an interest in them...I will provide you a copy (at whatever it cost me to >>reproduce them)......let me know.... >> >>2. I have established the link between Gilbert (b. 1740), his son Malcolm >>(b. 1774) of Benton Co. and the Ancient MacKenzie Clan >>gen-charts...........I leave 'the link' for you to discover on your own >>however......It is important to me..that you do this yourselves......if you >>find the right connections....I will provide you with missing documents...... >> >>3. However, those of you who are descendant of Malcolms' son, Gilbert, >>thru his son Jethro, and subsequently Fred McKenzie (who married Grace >>Thelma Wimberley in 1921) may not find these 'Charts" of interest....you >>may want to look to the Robbins' family genealogy instead.......There's an >>old genealogical ryhme, which has stood the test of time, (making a new >>ryhme here <vbg>)...that goes......'Mamas' Baby...Daddy's Maybe'....You >>research it.... and figure it out..... >> >>Dave >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >>What do you mean my Birth Certificate expired ??? > > >==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >Hi Ho! Hi Ho! Now where did my ancestors go ?? >

YES YOU DO.......but....there's a secret you'll don't know...about 'Septs'.....sub-groups <got'cha> ....ignorance is sometimes ..Bliss..sometmes it cuts your heart out.........'McRea' for example, is a Sept...of Clan MacKenzie...so are the McLoeds (this is McClouds).........do your homework......not many in the local area have escaped the the Scottish 'curse'... Dave At 04:57 PM 1/21/02 -0500, j wrote: >Wow, Dave! That is interesting! Do you have to be a McKenzie to be in >those charts? All those my folks' stomping grounds, but I don't think I >have a drop of McKenzie blood... > >At 03:18 AM 1/18/02 -0700, you wrote: >>In the Fall of 1824, a 49 year old Scott, crossed the Tennessee River, from >>near Erin in what is now Houston Co (that used to be Humphreys Co., and >>then used to be Stewart Co.), and searched-out a new Homestead for his >>family of 6, on Sugar Creek (near current-day Big Sandy) in Benton County >>(which used to be Barbados, which used to be Virginia, which used to be >>Carolina, which used to be N. Carolina, which used to be Indian Territory, >>which used to be Humphreys County)......hoping to move his wife and family >>into a new home by Christmas....... >> >>Just after marring his young Scottish bride of 19, Nancy Beaton, on >>February 13, 1812 in Stewart Co. at Dover., the then 38 year old Malcolm >>McKenzie, joined Gen. Andrew Jackson (when he came thru the area >>recruiting) to fight the British in the War of 1812. Malcolm was >>reportedly 'Killed-in-Action' during the War, and Nancy received a Widow's >>Pension.....But then, Malcolm made a miraculous recovery from his 'mortal >>wounds' and returned home to receive only a 'wounded pension' from the US >>Government for his service...... >> >>Imagine if you would, what it might have been like in 1824, to enter into >>the Wilderness of then Humphreys County (which just a few years prior had >>been Indian Territory) and carve-out a new homestead.....alone.....for your >>wife and 6 kids. >> >>Malcom's parents (Gilbert & Margrette McKenzie) came to Wilmington, N. >>Carolina in December 1774 after a 2 month voyage from Greenock, Scotland >>aboard the ship, Diana. Margrette was pregnant with Malcolm during the >>journey....she gave birth to Malcolm during the trip or shortley after >>arriving in Wilmington. They left Scotland, after being reduced to >>'bleeding' their cattle and drinking their blood to survive.....This is >>another tale in itself...... >> >>Gilbert fought in the Revolutionary War with the British.....as did the >>majority of Scotts who settled in the present day Carolinas and Georgia. >>They suffered greatly after the War and their children (in this case >>Malcolm) left the Raleigh area by 1812. Malcolm took the usual boat route >>from N. Carolina to Dover, Stewart Co. with a lot of the Scottish Clans... >> >>A little history......the names..Nancy and Ann... in Gaelic are the same >>names.....contrary to popular belief....Nancy Beaton WAS NOT NAMED ...Nancy >>ANN Beaton in 1793......that would be like calling President George >>Bush....GEORGE GEORGE BUSH....her name was Nancy OR Ann...but NOT Nancy >>Ann....it was Anglicized to Nancy Ann...... >> >>2nd....in Gaelic....surnames Beaton and Bethune....who were quite prominent >>in old Stewart, Humphreys, Houston and Benton Counties........are the >>same.....pronounced ...bee-toon'.......The Beatons' or Bethunes' are an >>extrememly respected religous name in old Scotland....as they were the >>priests and ministers of the Church.....and were the founders of the Church >>of Canada after most of the N. Carolina Scotts went to Canada after the >>Revolutionary War....... >> >>I will tell you the story later as to how these Scotts fought with the >>English (and this is a VERY, VERY IMPORTANT historical note............it's >>ENGLISH and not BRITISH......you offend Wales, Ireland and Scotland (these >>folks HATED the ENGLISH in 1774) by including them in the Revolutionary War >>as 'British' ........the War was fought with ENGLAND and NOT...Wales, >>Ireland and Scotland.....it was.... TOTALLY ENGLISH.... >> >>More stories later..... >> >> >>But...... >> >>I have, in hand, copies of the Royal Peerage Charts of the McKenzies back >>to the 11th Century.....I received them from the current Laird of the >>MacKenzies as a gift thru the Clan McKenzie of Canada....for personal >>research connecting the Clans settlements in the Americas after the Battle >>of Collouden Moor in April of 1745........ >> >>THese are very rare documents, as they are NOT available to the General >>Public..... >> >>Three things..... >> >>1. These gen-charts, from the 1000's to the late 1800's, provide a >>genealogical history to a number of you in Northern Benton Country >>(particularly around Big Sandy) and the surrounding counties. If you have >>an interest in them...I will provide you a copy (at whatever it cost me to >>reproduce them)......let me know.... >> >>2. I have established the link between Gilbert (b. 1740), his son Malcolm >>(b. 1774) of Benton Co. and the Ancient MacKenzie Clan >>gen-charts...........I leave 'the link' for you to discover on your own >>however......It is important to me..that you do this yourselves......if you >>find the right connections....I will provide you with missing documents...... >> >>3. However, those of you who are descendant of Malcolms' son, Gilbert, >>thru his son Jethro, and subsequently Fred McKenzie (who married Grace >>Thelma Wimberley in 1921) may not find these 'Charts" of interest....you >>may want to look to the Robbins' family genealogy instead.......There's an >>old genealogical ryhme, which has stood the test of time, (making a new >>ryhme here <vbg>)...that goes......'Mamas' Baby...Daddy's Maybe'....You >>research it.... and figure it out..... >> >>Dave >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >>What do you mean my Birth Certificate expired ??? > > >==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >Hi Ho! Hi Ho! Now where did my ancestors go ?? >

Folks.... I'm getting repeats....of messages to the List.... Could be a problem with my own server as Qwest tried to 'dump' off their customers to Microsoft (who I and a lot ofthers despies and refused.......hell, I'll take AOL over Microsoft......) Anyway.....suspect we have mu;tiple servers 'echoing' messages....... If you're receiving duplicates.....it will clear-up shortly..... Dave

Jean, BETHANY and 'Beaton...Bethune" are different......no connection....sorry... HOWEVER......MARTHA ANGELINA PIERCE is VERY IMPORTANT to me.... Tell me her heritage......I may have something very special for you..... Dave --------- At 05:58 PM 1/21/02 -0500, GJCloke1@cs.com wrote: >Hi Dave, > >You mentioned the "surnames Beaton and Bethune....who were quite prominent >in old Stewart, Humphreys, Houston and Benton Counties........are the >same.....pronounced ...bee-toon'......." Have you ever heard of the surname >BETHANY being an Anglicized version of those names. > >I have a Charles Homer BETHANY who was in Benton Co., TN from the mid-1840's >to the mid-1860's. He migrated from Lincoln Co., TN or possibly AL. His >wife, Margaret Couch Williams, died about 1860 in Benton Co. and he married >Martha Angelina Pierce in Henry Co. July 8, 1861. I have records of >BETHANY's in AL, GA, MS, SC, & NC from the 1730s to the present and all >during that period. But I cannot find any documented connections between >them & C. H. Any thoughts on whether this could be a distant relative of >your Beatons or Bethunes? It is believed that the BETHANYs were also of >Scottish descent. > >Thanks, >Jean Cloke > > >==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >My family tree must have been used for Firewood !!! >

Jean, BETHANY and 'Beaton...Bethune" are different......no connection....sorry... HOWEVER......MARTHA ANGELINA PIERCE is VERY IMPORTANT to me.... Tell me her heritage......I may have something very special for you..... Dave --------- At 05:58 PM 1/21/02 -0500, GJCloke1@cs.com wrote: >Hi Dave, > >You mentioned the "surnames Beaton and Bethune....who were quite prominent >in old Stewart, Humphreys, Houston and Benton Counties........are the >same.....pronounced ...bee-toon'......." Have you ever heard of the surname >BETHANY being an Anglicized version of those names. > >I have a Charles Homer BETHANY who was in Benton Co., TN from the mid-1840's >to the mid-1860's. He migrated from Lincoln Co., TN or possibly AL. His >wife, Margaret Couch Williams, died about 1860 in Benton Co. and he married >Martha Angelina Pierce in Henry Co. July 8, 1861. I have records of >BETHANY's in AL, GA, MS, SC, & NC from the 1730s to the present and all >during that period. But I cannot find any documented connections between >them & C. H. Any thoughts on whether this could be a distant relative of >your Beatons or Bethunes? It is believed that the BETHANYs were also of >Scottish descent. > >Thanks, >Jean Cloke > > >==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >My family tree must have been used for Firewood !!! >

"ATTENTION: 2ND. AND LAST UPDATE TO GENERAL PUBLIC MAILING LIST" SURNAMES ADDITIONS ARE CLOSED, AS NO WAY TO DISPLAY MORE NOW. GENERAL INVITATION TO THE FAMILIES OF THE SETTLERS OF EAST TN WHO CAME FROM EVERYWHERE, INCLUDING KENTUCKY, VIRGINIA, & NORTH CAROLINA*** Please do not hit reply to ,<coffmancousins@hotmail.com> You can't get a reply there!! Send To: Carl at <CousinsCom2@hotmail.com> Terri at <CousinsCom1@hotmail.com> ***WE KNOW MANY MANY NOBLE NAMES CAME TO EAST TN.. AND WE HAVE ADDED MANY MORE TO THIS OUR 2ND, UPDATE. JUST CAN'T ADD ALL OF THEM*** SPECIAL INTEREST INFO. TO ONES COMING AND OTHER HOW HAVE QUESTIONS AND WHO ARE THINKING ABOUT COMING, AS FOLLOWS: I. We need someone to Please bring a drug store type scan/printer to Reunion to make copies of data. And to charge something like 5-10 cents a copy to the people. E-mail first as we can't use more then two. 2. If some semiprofessional photographers would like to bring camera equip. he could be used to take group photos as a fair price. E-mail first please 3. If a couple of you families would like to bring your laptops to do look up we certainly would appreciate it. We simplify haven't and budget to use. 4. Some of you have asked about Rv parking in Knoxville. There's only one in North Knoxville. The "Yogi Bears Jelly stone Park Camp Resort" Heiskell,Tn. 9514 Diggs Gap Rd. phone 1-865-938-6600. 5. The Official Group rates Motel For "The East Tn. Homecoming/Reunion" is The Sleep Inn in north Knoxville at 5460 Central Ave Pike, phone 1-865-688-7300. If you people will give us a month to take head count on ones wanting motels, Terri lives in Knoxville and she will get us all good rates. Send to Terri e-mail <cousinscom1@hotmail.com> later to see rates. Last year it was near $40 for a 2 full size doubles with discount. That should about do it. The campground is about. 4 miles away on Clinton Highway from motel to Powell ***OUR SURNAMES FEATURED SHOULD HAVE HOST/ HOSTESS/OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS TO GREET THEM*** ARNOLD, ATCHLEY, ATKINS, BAKER, BAUMGARDNER/BOMGARDENER, BAXTER, BLACKBURN, BLAIR, BRADLEY, BROWN, BRUCE, BUNCH, CANNON, CAMPBELL, CATE, CHANDLEY, CHILDERS, CLARK, COFFMAN/KAUFFMAN/KAUFMAN/KAUFMANN, CONNER, COX, CROSS, DISNEYS, DUGGER, EDMONDS, ELDER, ELLIS, FOUSTS, FRAKER, GILPIN/GILPEN, GOFORTH, GRAVES, HAGGARD, HARE, HAVENS, HAYES, HENSLEY, HOOK, HUFF, HUNTER, HURST, HURTS, JACK, JAGER, JAMES, JONES, KAUFFMAN/KAUFMAN/KAUFMANN/COFFMAN, KILGORE, KINCAID, KINEHEAD, KIRKPATRICK, KITTS, LARKIN, LARUE, LAWSON, LEGG, LETHCO, MACKLIN/MCCLAIN/MCLAIN, MCCLOUD, MCDOWELL, MOORE, MORROW, NORMAN, NORWOOD, OGG, OSBORN, OWEN, PALMER, PARKER, PARKS, PETERS, PICKERING, POUNDERS, RAMSEY, RENFRO/RENTFREW/RENTFRO, ROACH, ROBBS, ROLLS, SAMPLE, SANDS, SAUNDERS, SEABORN, SEVIER, SHELTON, SMITH, STRICKLAND, SZALAY, THOMPSON, TILLERY, VAN BIBBER, WADDELL, WALLACE, WARWICK, WEAVER, WEBBS, WILLIAMS, WOOD, WYRICK, YAGER, YANON. ---------------------------------------- what: HOMECOMING/REUNION 2002 who: Pioneer Families of East TN, KY, and VA when: JULY 13-14 where: Bell's Campground Bell's Campground Rd. Powell, Knox Co., TN Powell, Tennessee, is a suburb of Knoxville and is located in North Knox County. Bell's Campground is off of Clinton Hwy. Those needing hotel/motel accommodations will need to make them in North Knoxville. **STATEMENT OF INTENT** This is an open invitation to attend the 2nd annual homecoming/reunion of our pioneer families that settled, lived, raised their children, and sometimes died in this area. Some sank deep roots and others moved on, scattering our ancestors from coast to coast. Our purpose is to have fun, get acquainted, and swap genealogical information. The above is a list of the families which we know for sure had ties in early East Tennessee and the ones we have some information on. However, (Sorry all surnames are CLOSED Now) Contact Carl at <CousinsCom2@hotmail.com> or Terri at <CousinsCom1@hotmail.com>. All we ask is that you be willing to act as host or hostess/greeter for your surname and to share whatever info you have available. ALL surnames are welcome to attend whether your name is listed here or not! There will be a wealth of information to share. Plan on attending please! We Do Need A Head Count, To, NOT over book, However. (Numbers of persons coming) is needed. We would love to have volunteers for all the names on the list (except Brown and Coffman, which we have well-covered) to act as co-hosts/co-hostesses to greet and help people with their surname feel welcome and to help them meet researchers working on the same surname. To those of you with East TN roots who don't have much extended family and therefore don't have a reunion, this is your chance to bring your immediate family members and join ours. We want everyone to have fun, feel welcomed, and enjoy themselves. **That's What Tennessee Stands For: THE VOLUNTEER STATE ** "Where pride walks and the flag flies!"** We know that we have some college instructors attending who perhaps can be persuaded to speak. We also have experts and accredited genealogist who have been researching for 30 plus years. They are ready to share their information with us. ---------------------- Attendance is FREE . . . but we will have a "donation" jar to offset the cost for using the campground, tableware, entertainment, and clean up. PLEASE PLAN ON ATTENDING AND BRING: 1. First and foremost yourselves... 2. ALL BOOKS, BIBLES, PICTURES, FAMILY SHEETS, AND INFORMATION YOU HAVE AVAILABLE... 3. A covered dish to share. (For those who are traveling some distance and for whom this is not a feasible option, you may either bring a sack lunch or a non- perishable or deli item that can be picked up at last minute locally. 4. Drinks, ice chest 5. A chair or blanket to sit on...If you are serving as a host or hostess, you will also need a small table (card table size or larger) to display your family information on. -------------------------- Last year was our first attempt to pull all these early settlers' descendants together. As far as we knew, it had never been attempted before. It was a resounding success for a first attempt, and it was agreed that it should become an annual event. This area is so very rich in history, both as an Indian frontier and as an isolated jewel of Union sympathy during the Civil War. It also served as a departure point for westward movement and new settlement. Our ancestors left us a rich heritage, which we are striving to preserve and pass on to our children and grandchildren. This rich tapestry of ideals and values is what made us a great nation and what made each of us what we are today. And it began with our earliest immigrant ancestors who came here to start a new life and a new country. COME and SHARE that heritage with us on July 13-14. We are looking forward to making many new friends!! Sincerely, Terri Brown Jurca: <CousinsCom1@hotmail.com>, 5509 Paula Rd., Knoxville, Tn 37912 Carl Coffman: <CousinsCom2@hotmail.com> 1448 S. Hadley St. Wichita, Kansas 67213 and co-hosted by many more friends and cousins, both locally and via internet -- too numerous to name individually, but all of whom we thank for all their help. /////////////// PLEASE REPLY BRIEFLY TO ONE OF ABOVE ADDRESSES IF YOU PLAN TO ATTEND SO WE CAN KEEP A HEADCOUNT. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT SO THAT WE CAN BE PREPARED FOR THE CORRECT NUMBER AND TO TRY TO ASSIST YOU IN FINDING ACCOMMODATIONS. Thank you.////////////////// _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

Jan & Cheryl...... Is this what you wanted ??????? http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnstewar/HOMEPLACE/ .........never, never ask how........ Dave