Apologies to the list. My last email was meant for Dan,,,,,,,,,,,Sorry. In to much of a hurry, but you know what's coming now....so volunteer & contact him directly to get this thing going. Dave ============================================= At 10:25 AM 7/27/99 -0700, you wrote: >Hey Dan, > >Thought you were off 'jet setting' again to exotic places of the >world...........sorry we couldn't make it to the reunion, but need to make >sure the family gets fed first. Will be there next year <have 2 weddings to >attend at the same time>. > >Sounds like a plan. Would be great.

Hey Dan, Thought you were off 'jet setting' again to exotic places of the world...........sorry we couldn't make it to the reunion, but need to make sure the family gets fed first. Will be there next year <have 2 weddings to attend at the same time>. Sounds like a plan. Would be great. Case in Point: received a package yesterday that contained recollections of an individual born c.1850 in the Big Sandy area. Extremely interesting to read. But the most important part is that it contained off-head information that has allowed me to confirm certain aspects or my research and correct erroneous data in other areas. For example, the "roadworks" listing of "hands" that I published earlier to the list was confirmed but with much more detail of who lived where first and later. What the neighbors did together. Pointed out that Pt. Mason road doesn't follow the route it originally did and neither did the Faxon road to Danville Crossing. Pointed out the McKenzie estate was orginally called "Willow" and the names of the 'creeks' in the area (Sugar Creek branches in particular) are named differently today. Confirmed that todays 'Willow Point Cemetry' existed and was named "Point Willow Springs" originally. That a 'Meeting House" and school existed their as early as 1835. All this from 14 pages from 17 years ago. One letter was from J.K.T. Smith, the Benton County Historian at the time. So much of our history, heritage and traditions have been lost & forgotten that I think we don't know who we are as a people & country sometimes. <this is an editorial comment> Anyway, it would be a fascinating project, but I'm up to my %^&* in alligators right now with other DC related activities. I know Jan & Cheryl and the members of the DC Homecoming 2000 Committee are also. I think we need the other members of the DC Community to organise and manage this project. The group is loaded with extrememly compotent, dedicated and knowledgeable folks who would do an excellent job on this project. Why not give them some of your leadership direction and "turn them loose". I think they would turn-out one of the best products of it's kind around. I can't believe the amount of information the folks have tucked away. Why don't you search some of them out, run intereference for them, and let them do their thing. As you already know, They're Good. Anyway, let me know. Dave PS: Say hello to Bobby for us. ============================================== At 09:04 AM 7/27/99 -0500, Daniel L. Martin wrote: >David, and Members of the List: > >I think this would be a great project for us. We could assemble a History of >Danville Crossing Region. It could contain early history and settlement, >families, events, etc., etc. It could be divided into counties. I'm sure you >folks can come up with some other ideas also. > >You know how valuable it is to find a very small original document or article on >some of our history. Well, we need to be thinking of creating those documents >and articles for future generations. It would be a shame to loose all those >stories that Ira has to tell. We must preserve them for those who follow. Our >group has many folks that have a wealth of information to share. Gabby, Ira, >Dave, Jan, and most of the rest of us. It would just take a little planning to >make a wonderful book of our memories and impressions of this historic area! > >Dan >----------------- > >"David L. Snow" wrote: > >> Thanks, Ira >> >> Really appreciate your sharing the history of the area. Something to few do. >> >> Personal Thanks, >> >> Dave >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> At 01:25 AM 7/27/99 -0400, you wrote: >> >OKAY Dave: >> > >> >I owe you, and will come up with one, about the Ghost of the Flagman that >> got >> >killed, and on certain nights he still comes out and tries to flag a train, >> >he has been seen by a lot of people at the spot just where he was killed >> when >> >he went to sleep and the following train he was supposed to be flagging ran >> >over him. >> > >> >Another thing, the first Town with a Post Office was located at a town on >> the >> >Benton County Side and it was West Danville, and did have the first Post >> >office in that area. >> > >> >Now as to the Elevator it was put in to transfer peanuts from Barges, that >> >had gathered them up, from up and down the river, would bring them to the >> >Danville (On the Danville side Houston County next the coal chute to be >> >transferred from Barge to Railroad box car. >> > >> >I am trying to develop information on what Genealogical effect the building >> >of railroads had on the settling of our country, The two Irish groups that >> >built RR in the South, Chinese in the West, The Mexicans in Texas, The >> >Germans in Pennsylvania, the Irish and Italians in New York and any more I >> >can find. >> > >> >Ira >> > >> > >> >==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >> >What do you mean my grandparents didn't have any kids ??? >> > >> >> ==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >> My genealogy software won't accept "spaceship" >> as a "Place of Birth"..... Now What ???? > >-- >Have I, therefore, become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? Gal. 4:16 >Jesus said: "I am The Way, The Truth And The Life, and nobody >comes to the Father but by Me" John: 14:6 >Christian Exchange, Inc: http://home.earthlink.net/~dlmartin2/cei/ggm.html >God Bless America: http://www.wwd.net/user/sjackson/america.htm > > > >==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >My family tree must have been used for Firewood !!! >

HI ANNe: The Colliers thet came to Stewart Co before 1850 were from Virginia, there is a book in the Big Sandy Library by Leroy Collier showing them all the way to Virg .( Leroy lives in Louisville Ky. and you may be able to buy one from him still ? I dont have a clue about the Stavelys. gabbie - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- At 11:20 PM 7/26/99 EDT, you wrote: >Anyone around that has any info on the Stavelys and/or Colliers? I am trying >to find out where these family came from - NC or SC. Once I know the state, >then I would love to know what counties? Thanks, Anne > > >==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >My family Coat of Arms ties at the back ...... >is that normal ??? > >

Did not see a response yet and I just found this: Pozzy: There is a list of epidemics found under Research Helps at http://www.usgenweb.com/researchers/epidemics.html Also for cluster of missing MALE relatives try http://www.usgenweb.com/researchers/wars.html These are complete listings of all know epidemics since 1657 and wars in North America since 1565. Hope you find these helpful. -----Original Message----- From: Pozzydaz@aol.com <Pozzydaz@aol.com> To: DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com <DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 2:42 PM Subject: Re: What happened in 1884 ???

Hello, This is the only thing I could find; 12 May, 1881 - Married 8th, Edward P. COBURN and Octavia R. VESEY at residence of the bride"s father in Tupelo MS. 26 April 1889 Old Times in Hardeman County , Brief schetches of some of the men who figured in her history 66 years ago. The first burial in Bolivar was Hamilton COBURN, a most excellent gentleman whose remains rest at the foot of a large elm tree in the old graveyard, east of town, where also are the remains of the father of J.N.C. Robertson are interned. 8 Jan 1885 Died Sunday, J.M. COBURN at home near Bolivar, of hemmorage of the stomach, 54 years of age, a resident of this county all his life. An industrious farmer. 18 Dec 1879 Married 10th, Whitmill COBURN and Mrs. Jane DYSON, at residence of the Bride's son E.F. DYSONS. The above are all newspaper articles from The Bolivar Bulletin. The next is from Will index Book. Will Book 3 page 57 Goodlet Brown appointed guardian of Hamilton R. COBURN of Hardeman CO TN in estate of her father Hamilton COBURN. Appointed by probate court of Marshall CO. MS. Recorded: 28 June 1843 Will Book 5 page 212; John Crawford 24 July 1875 Wife: Elizabeth Son : G.P. Crawford Gr.Dau: Mary Crawford, dau of William R.& Caroline Crawford now Caroline COBURN. Recorded: Feb 1876 Susie > -----Original Message----- > From: TACKY3@aol.com [mailto:TACKY3@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, July 26, 1999 10:46 PM > To: DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Coburn > Just wondered if anyone knows anything about this and also I have been > trying to find the parents of William J. Coburn and Elizabeth > Wyatt. William > J. and Isaac Newton were Methodist circuit riding preachers and > went to Texas > to start churches but came back to TN and are buried at Haltom's > Chapel near > Henderson, Tn in Chester County. Thanks.

David, and Members of the List: I think this would be a great project for us. We could assemble a History of Danville Crossing Region. It could contain early history and settlement, families, events, etc., etc. It could be divided into counties. I'm sure you folks can come up with some other ideas also. You know how valuable it is to find a very small original document or article on some of our history. Well, we need to be thinking of creating those documents and articles for future generations. It would be a shame to loose all those stories that Ira has to tell. We must preserve them for those who follow. Our group has many folks that have a wealth of information to share. Gabby, Ira, Dave, Jan, and most of the rest of us. It would just take a little planning to make a wonderful book of our memories and impressions of this historic area! Dan ----------------- "David L. Snow" wrote: > Thanks, Ira > > Really appreciate your sharing the history of the area. Something to few do. > > Personal Thanks, > > Dave > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > At 01:25 AM 7/27/99 -0400, you wrote: > >OKAY Dave: > > > >I owe you, and will come up with one, about the Ghost of the Flagman that > got > >killed, and on certain nights he still comes out and tries to flag a train, > >he has been seen by a lot of people at the spot just where he was killed > when > >he went to sleep and the following train he was supposed to be flagging ran > >over him. > > > >Another thing, the first Town with a Post Office was located at a town on > the > >Benton County Side and it was West Danville, and did have the first Post > >office in that area. > > > >Now as to the Elevator it was put in to transfer peanuts from Barges, that > >had gathered them up, from up and down the river, would bring them to the > >Danville (On the Danville side Houston County next the coal chute to be > >transferred from Barge to Railroad box car. > > > >I am trying to develop information on what Genealogical effect the building > >of railroads had on the settling of our country, The two Irish groups that > >built RR in the South, Chinese in the West, The Mexicans in Texas, The > >Germans in Pennsylvania, the Irish and Italians in New York and any more I > >can find. > > > >Ira > > > > > >==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== > >What do you mean my grandparents didn't have any kids ??? > > > > ==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== > My genealogy software won't accept "spaceship" > as a "Place of Birth"..... Now What ???? -- Have I, therefore, become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? Gal. 4:16 Jesus said: "I am The Way, The Truth And The Life, and nobody comes to the Father but by Me" John: 14:6 Christian Exchange, Inc: http://home.earthlink.net/~dlmartin2/cei/ggm.html God Bless America: http://www.wwd.net/user/sjackson/america.htm

Yes, please spill the beans on the train story!!!!!!!!! and thanks for the great story on the Danville Crossing explanation!!! I frequently float by there in my pitiful little boat (but it floats) and wonder why the train doesn't cross there anymore, why the grainery still stands but they tried to knock it down,if it was that sturdy why didn't they use it for a resturant or bait shop?, about the old road bed that runs along the river from Danville to Hurricane Creek that was a road for over atleast a hundred years(it was on the map I got at Paris Landing in June) and why it was abandoned, about my husbands family that lived in the area years and years ago and how they possably could have survived trying to farm that rocky rocky soil there!!!! Caroline From: David L. Snow <DLSNOW@worldnet.att.net> To: DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com <DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, July 26, 1999 11:16 PM Subject: Re: Location, location, location >Pass the buck and gripe & moan...........geez Ira.......gettin testy in our >old age are we ??? > >I was hoppin you'd tell her about why it's called the 'Crossing'. How it's >a natural narrowing of the Tennessee River which it is why the railroads >selected that point to build a railroad bridge across the Tennessee >connecting West & Middle Tennessee in the 1850's. About the railroad >elevator on the Benton Co. side of the river, and how 'goods' were shipped >from there (& how much is under water). How the 2 railroad companies built >the different parts of the lines, and the Irish immigrants that built the >railroad and settled in Faxon. Why the railroad abandoned the tracks & >bridge. And particularly why the List is called >DanvilleCrossing..........because anyone who knows anything about the >area......knows where it is. If you live in northern Tennessee around the >Tennessee River, you know where DanvilleCrossing is. > >And for 'the shadow', <who knows what evil lurks in the heart of man>, >Danville Crossing isn't a town, but a natural narrowing in the Tennessee >River between present day Benton & Houston Counties that has been used >since archaic times to cross the river. The 'Crossing' is named for the >nearest town on the Houston County side of the river, but there is no >corresponding town on the Benton side. It is presumably one of the point >that folks crossed the River when settlement of the Jackson Purchase - >Cherokee Lands <West Tennesse> was opened in 1820, particularly that >portion of Humphreys County that became Benton County. > >Now Ira....... can I get at least one train story (exploding boilers is >good), please. Pretty PLEASE !! I love these stories......come on.....at >least one <2 is better>. > >Waiting............. > >Dave >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >------------ >At 10:47 PM 7/26/99 -0400, you wrote: >>Hey All: >> >>I was born at Danville, Houston County, Tennessee, Danville is Danville >about >>2 miles south of Hurricane Creek, and Cane Creek ran on the South Side of >old >>Danville, and White oak Creek is about 1 1/2 miles south of Danville. It >>started when Dan martin started Genealogy information on Houston, Stewart >and >>Henry County, later joined by Benton, Humphrey and Dickson counties, To join >>them all together Danville Crossing was started for General Information for >>all these counties, with specific information being sent to the particular >>county to which it applied. >> >>I hope I have you well confused now. So don't blame me just get on Dave Snow >>and Dan Martin they are the ones who started it all. >> >>Ira >> >> >>==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >>My genealogy software won't accept "spaceship" >>as a "Place of Birth"..... Now What ???? >> > > >==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >Okay.... so I don't descend from anyone...... >Now What ???? >

Would there by any chance anyone know a Munro Reynolds of Houston Co. that married a lady named Leonna? Munro would have died in the 50's? I would like to hear from anybody who knows anything about the Reynolds in Dickson and Erin Tn. Thank You, Lola

Can anyone please tell me where there is as Ethridge Cemetery located on the Humphreys/Dickson Co. line on the Humphreys Co. side. Thanks Janet

Thanks, Lucinda, I will check it out. Anne

Ira, I was mistaken about the info I sent out last night. The lady that was interviewed by Irene was not a school teacher, but a classmate of Mama, Uncle Max, Uncle Leon, Uncle Herbert, and Aunt Lula. I did not see the picture that Susie Horner Nickens was talking about. I guess that Irene showed her the picture and she started naming the children that she remembered. But, I surely would like to get a copy of the picture. Randy said that there were several school pictures in the Stewart County History book and he was going to look for me. I doubt that he will find it because Houston Co. was already in existence when the picture was made. Is the picture in the Houston County History book? Could you give me the reference info for that book. I got copies of several pages from it and failed to get the reference info (I was so excited about finding some of the info :-) ) The information regarding Mrs. Nickens is on page 146 and 147. Thanks for Mr. McKinnon's address. I will send him a letter today. Also, thanks for looking the correct name, date, etc. of the history book. Anne

Sue, I don't connect to the Collier's. I believe that my gggrandmother, Talitha Elizabeth Stavely, was a sister of Eli Stavely. Since he married Elizabeth Collier, I was hoping to find some connection and be able to determine if Talitha and Eli were siblings and who their parents were and where they came from before settling in Stewart/Houston Co. Sorry that I can't help you, Anne

I don't know if this will help, but in 1743 Susannah COLLIER was born in NJ. She married George Drake and died in Harrison Co. (WV) Va. in 1825. I have not had any luck locating any more information about her. The first famlies that moved to Harrison Co. were Rev. soldiers. You might look in that area for more of her family.. sorry I can't be more help. Lucinda

Thanks, Ira Really appreciate your sharing the history of the area. Something to few do. Personal Thanks, Dave - --------------------------------------------------------------------- At 01:25 AM 7/27/99 -0400, you wrote: >OKAY Dave: > >I owe you, and will come up with one, about the Ghost of the Flagman that got >killed, and on certain nights he still comes out and tries to flag a train, >he has been seen by a lot of people at the spot just where he was killed when >he went to sleep and the following train he was supposed to be flagging ran >over him. > >Another thing, the first Town with a Post Office was located at a town on the >Benton County Side and it was West Danville, and did have the first Post >office in that area. > >Now as to the Elevator it was put in to transfer peanuts from Barges, that >had gathered them up, from up and down the river, would bring them to the >Danville (On the Danville side Houston County next the coal chute to be >transferred from Barge to Railroad box car. > >I am trying to develop information on what Genealogical effect the building >of railroads had on the settling of our country, The two Irish groups that >built RR in the South, Chinese in the West, The Mexicans in Texas, The >Germans in Pennsylvania, the Irish and Italians in New York and any more I >can find. > >Ira > > >==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >What do you mean my grandparents didn't have any kids ??? >

Pass the buck and gripe & moan...........geez Ira.......gettin testy in our old age are we ??? I was hoppin you'd tell her about why it's called the 'Crossing'. How it's a natural narrowing of the Tennessee River which it is why the railroads selected that point to build a railroad bridge across the Tennessee connecting West & Middle Tennessee in the 1850's. About the railroad elevator on the Benton Co. side of the river, and how 'goods' were shipped from there (& how much is under water). How the 2 railroad companies built the different parts of the lines, and the Irish immigrants that built the railroad and settled in Faxon. Why the railroad abandoned the tracks & bridge. And particularly why the List is called DanvilleCrossing..........because anyone who knows anything about the area......knows where it is. If you live in northern Tennessee around the Tennessee River, you know where DanvilleCrossing is. And for 'the shadow', <who knows what evil lurks in the heart of man>, Danville Crossing isn't a town, but a natural narrowing in the Tennessee River between present day Benton & Houston Counties that has been used since archaic times to cross the river. The 'Crossing' is named for the nearest town on the Houston County side of the river, but there is no corresponding town on the Benton side. It is presumably one of the point that folks crossed the River when settlement of the Jackson Purchase - Cherokee Lands <West Tennesse> was opened in 1820, particularly that portion of Humphreys County that became Benton County. Now Ira....... can I get at least one train story (exploding boilers is good), please. Pretty PLEASE !! I love these stories......come on.....at least one <2 is better>. Waiting............. Dave - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ At 10:47 PM 7/26/99 -0400, you wrote: >Hey All: > >I was born at Danville, Houston County, Tennessee, Danville is Danville about >2 miles south of Hurricane Creek, and Cane Creek ran on the South Side of old >Danville, and White oak Creek is about 1 1/2 miles south of Danville. It >started when Dan martin started Genealogy information on Houston, Stewart and >Henry County, later joined by Benton, Humphrey and Dickson counties, To join >them all together Danville Crossing was started for General Information for >all these counties, with specific information being sent to the particular >county to which it applied. > >I hope I have you well confused now. So don't blame me just get on Dave Snow >and Dan Martin they are the ones who started it all. > >Ira > > >==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >My genealogy software won't accept "spaceship" >as a "Place of Birth"..... Now What ???? >

Anne, >Anyone around that has any info on the Stavelys and/or Colliers? < Would you have a Margaret Alice Collier born about 1850 in TN amongst your Colliers? SueB

My great great grandfather was William J. Coburn born 1823 in Ala and went to Stewart Co. Tn to work on the Tennessee River near White Oak Creek in 1845 with Wyatts. He married Elizabeth Wyatt Jan 3, 1846 and lived in Stewart County in 1850 but by 1860 was in Hardeman County, TN. Their children were: Robert A., Isaac Newton, Martha A., William H., Sarah F., and Job Bell Coburn, my great grandfather. I was looking at the census and saw that 2 houses from this family was a doctor named Dr. Job Bell - (Any kin to you, Ira?) and was curious as to where the name Bell came from. Family lore says that Job Bell Coburn married a full blooded Cherokee - Mary Gilmore Morrison. Just wondered if anyone knows anything about this and also I have been trying to find the parents of William J. Coburn and Elizabeth Wyatt. William J. and Isaac Newton were Methodist circuit riding preachers and went to Texas to start churches but came back to TN and are buried at Haltom's Chapel near Henderson, Tn in Chester County. Thanks.

OKAY Dave: I owe you, and will come up with one, about the Ghost of the Flagman that got killed, and on certain nights he still comes out and tries to flag a train, he has been seen by a lot of people at the spot just where he was killed when he went to sleep and the following train he was supposed to be flagging ran over him. Another thing, the first Town with a Post Office was located at a town on the Benton County Side and it was West Danville, and did have the first Post office in that area. Now as to the Elevator it was put in to transfer peanuts from Barges, that had gathered them up, from up and down the river, would bring them to the Danville (On the Danville side Houston County next the coal chute to be transferred from Barge to Railroad box car. I am trying to develop information on what Genealogical effect the building of railroads had on the settling of our country, The two Irish groups that built RR in the South, Chinese in the West, The Mexicans in Texas, The Germans in Pennsylvania, the Irish and Italians in New York and any more I can find. Ira

Susan: Our wonderful government at work! The Korean and Viet Nam incidents were not declared wars. Just like the umpteen other "skirmishes" we have bled and died in during that time. You see, only Congress can declare war, and the American people wouldn't stand for declaring war every 2 or 3 years. These folks wouldn't get reelected. So, the congress looks the other way when the good ole prez takes us into harms way. I will say, since I lived through that time, and served in the U. S. Navy, that the recognition is not totally frivolous. I joined when I was only 17, and luckily fell in between the Korean and the Viet Nam wars -- there I go again, using *that* word. There were some very tense moments even though I personally didn't see action. They also almost kept me in because of the Cuba fiasco. I'll take what recognition I can get. Dan --------------- SUSAN DONAHUE wrote: > 'scuse me, but don't Korea and Vietnam count as real wars? Is Washington > going to pin a medal on every hog, dog and frog, in or out of the military, > at any time? That kind of takes the shine off the real medals, dosn't it? > > Susan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <GRIDDIP@aol.com> > To: <DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 1999 11:45 PM > Subject: Cold War Certificates > > > TWIMC > > > > I realize this is not directly Genealogy, but does pertain to military > > records, which are included in the Genealogy history of a person or > persons. > > > > Recently Readers Digest had an article, that the Military was recognizing > > people who served during the period of the cold war. , anyone in the > Military > > or civilian personnel > > who during the period from September 2, 1945, (Japan's surrender) and > > December 26, 1991, (Demise of the Soviet Union) were entitled to receive > this > > and there was estimated to be 22 million who merit this certificate. > > > > It went on to state in April 1999, the Defense Department began to accept > > applications. It further mentioned "an army web site reads=====, I feel > sure > > this site would have an address or web site to make the application, > > > > Now all that for this===Does anyone know what or where the web site is or > > where application can be made? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Ira > > > > > > ==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== > > My family Coat of Arms ties at the back ...... > > is that normal ??? > > > > ==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== > Okay.... so I don't descend from anyone...... > Now What ???? -- Have I, therefore, become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? Gal. 4:16 Jesus said: "I am The Way, The Truth And The Life, and nobody comes to the Father but by Me" John: 14:6 Christian Exchange, Inc: http://home.earthlink.net/~dlmartin2/cei/ggm.html God Bless America: http://www.wwd.net/user/sjackson/america.htm

'scuse me, but don't Korea and Vietnam count as real wars? Is Washington going to pin a medal on every hog, dog and frog, in or out of the military, at any time? That kind of takes the shine off the real medals, dosn't it? Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: <GRIDDIP@aol.com> To: <DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 1999 11:45 PM Subject: Cold War Certificates > TWIMC > > I realize this is not directly Genealogy, but does pertain to military > records, which are included in the Genealogy history of a person or persons. > > Recently Readers Digest had an article, that the Military was recognizing > people who served during the period of the cold war. , anyone in the Military > or civilian personnel > who during the period from September 2, 1945, (Japan's surrender) and > December 26, 1991, (Demise of the Soviet Union) were entitled to receive this > and there was estimated to be 22 million who merit this certificate. > > It went on to state in April 1999, the Defense Department began to accept > applications. It further mentioned "an army web site reads=====, I feel sure > this site would have an address or web site to make the application, > > Now all that for this===Does anyone know what or where the web site is or > where application can be made? > > Thanks. > > Ira > > > ==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== > My family Coat of Arms ties at the back ...... > is that normal ??? >