Okey, off the list to spencer1@train.missouri.org! I would like the directions, also! Thank you! ---------- > Jan Yes handled off list as a lot of people cripe about personal items at > least on other lists Mary Russell helped. > > > > > ==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== > My genealogy software won't accept "spaceship" > as a "Place of Birth"..... Now What ???? >

When I was in Florence Alabama earlier this week, in order to get a copy of my GGrandfather's death certificate, all I had to do was go to the Health Dept, fill out a form and in about an hour they had it for me. Do you know if you can do the same thing here in Tennessee as long as the person died in TN? That really would make things so much simpler. Carol

--part1_c3f158dc.24d44c8d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gabbie: Sorry I was not able to come up with the answer like you did. All I had was excuses. Have a great weekend. Ira --part1_c3f158dc.24d44c8d_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: GRIDDIP@aol.com From: GRIDDIP@aol.com Full-name: GRIDDIP Message-ID: <b51cb8db.24d44a7f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 08:47:59 EDT Subject: Re: RailRoad stories To: lmoore@ecsis.net CC: TNBenton-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 In a message dated 7/31/99 12:26:08 AM Central Daylight Time, lmoore@ecsis.net writes: << I just found out yesterday that my great great grandfather, John T. FRAME, worked for the RR (listed on his death certificate) and that they moved from Indiana to Van Buren, Ark. because he was with the RR. He died in December, 1884. Would there be any RR records? How would I even find out what RR? Thanks, >> Leslie: Railroads have consolidated so many times in the recent past, they did not transfer old records, between them on former employees, usually just retain the current employees, and since Railroad retirement went into effect, send the necessary information to the Government, Railroad Retirement Board, and do away with old records. In 1884 RRR was not in effect, nor Social Security, therefore I am sure as far as railroad records go there would not be one unless you can find where it was in court for some reason, then it would be in the court records.. I have tried to get many records on older, retired or dismissed employees, that have since passed retirement age and they are basically non-existent. Now I can tell you this, Van Buren Arkansas only had two railroads at that time they were the Frisco (St. Louis and San Francisco) S.L.&S.F.. and the Missouri Pacific (M.P.), then just 6 miles away at Fort Smith Arkansas they had a branch line from the Kansas City Southern (K.C.S.) None of these at that time went to Indiana, so could not establish a connection with the two areas, ie Arkansas and Indiana. Ira --part1_c3f158dc.24d44c8d_boundary--

HI Lillie: John Matheny m.(1) Theodisia A Wheatley (DOSIA)July 17,1874 and they divorced before June 1,1882 when she m Andrew Jackson Wynn John then m.Margaret Ann Lindsey b June 12,1871 the dtr of Hubbard Laffette Lindsey on march 16,1884 JOhn had 2 dtrs Nora & Lucy I believe by Margaret but not sure. gabbie - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- At 10:53 PM 7/30/99 -0700, you wrote: >Does anyone know who the J.A. Matheny is who married M.A. Lindsey Nov. >17, 1890? > >Lillie > > >==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >GENEALOGY is like Hide & Seek: >They Hide & I Seek !! > > > > >

Hi Gena: YOU are on the right track: the fireman's name was George Smith Wheatley b1865 m Jennie Wheatley (her maiden name) Nov 18,1883 in Benton Co.Tn d abt 1925 in Erin Tn. in a switch Engin explosion they said his body went 20 feet up in the air. there is a article about it in the Library in Erin he was the son of James Knox Wheatley and brother od Duncan and Alex Scott "Matt" Wheatley. I have a lot more data on this family if you want it let me know. also I would like to have what you have on this family. My G-Grandmother was Roxlina Wynn James Knox 3rd wife: My G-Grandfather Dixon Crosno Lindsey (Roxlina's 1st husband) was Killed in the Civil War.gabbie - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- At 09:40 AM 7/30/99 -0700, you wrote: >Gabbie and Ira, > >So what's the rest of the story? This inquiring mind would love to know since I believe Duncan Wheatley was a ggg-uncle (if he is the Duncan Wheatley who was brother to Alex Scott Matt Wheatley). > >Gena > > IRA how about a story about the Wheatley man who was a Fireman on the switch > Engine that exploded in Erin,Tn I believe in 1927 ( he was a brother to > the Duncan Wheatley that ran the store at Wheatley crossing. > > > >==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >GENEALOGY goes on... and on... and on... > > > > >

Does anyone know who the J.A. Matheny is who married M.A. Lindsey Nov. 17, 1890? Lillie

Gabby & Ira & any other RR authority: I just found out yesterday that my great great grandfather, John T. FRAME, worked for the RR (listed on his death certificate) and that they moved from Indiana to Van Buren, Ark. because he was with the RR. He died in December, 1884. Would there be any RR records? How would I even find out what RR? Thanks, Leslie Moore lmoore@ecsis.net Personal homepage: http://www.ecsis.net/~lmoore/ Lake County, TN Gen page: http://www.ecsis.net/lakecounty/history/ Kennedy Family Info: http://www.ecsis.net/~lmoore/kennedy.html Volunteer of Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnraogk/

Gabbie, Thanks, that puts a face on some of these folks that up til now have just been names on a census form. It's always more fun to discover the people behind the names :) Do you have web access? If so, I've got all my Wheatley information at: http://www.members.tripod.com/~FoyFamily/Wheatley.htm Some of it still needs to be updated, for example, I need to clarify about Thomas and Samuel Wheatley (I believe Samuel was the father of Thomas and Thomas was the father of William "Billy" Wheatley.) I'm descended from Alex Scott "Matt" Wheatley and his wife Emma Kate Hunn through their daughter Jennie Kay Wheatley. If you don't have web access, I will mail you what I have. Gena

In a message dated 7/30/99 9:42:15 PM Central Daylight Time, kengena@swbell.net writes: << Gabbie and Ira, So what's the rest of the story? This inquiring mind would love to know since I believe Duncan Wheatley was a ggg-uncle (if he is the Duncan Wheatley who was brother to Alex Scott Matt Wheatley). >> Gena: Sorry I have a lot of messages to respond to, but have gotten very busy at other "Necessary " things to do and have not had time to write them also my computer in an electrical problem we had with the power company here, bombed, and I had to work in SAFE MODE for two days, will probably get caught up soon and will try to reply. Ira

Gabbie and Ira, So what's the rest of the story? This inquiring mind would love to know since I believe Duncan Wheatley was a ggg-uncle (if he is the Duncan Wheatley who was brother to Alex Scott Matt Wheatley). Gena IRA how about a story about the Wheatley man who was a Fireman on the switch Engine that exploded in Erin,Tn I believe in 1927 ( he was a brother to the Duncan Wheatley that ran the store at Wheatley crossing.

Hello Folks, After listening to all of the comments about the various cemeteries, I am prompted to ask if anyone knows where I could purchase copies of the cemetery books for Montgomery, Humphreys, Benton, Perry, Dickson, Stewart, and Cheatham counties? I have finally come to the realization that if I am going to track down my Rook line I am going to have to look beyond Montgomery county. Most of my Rooks had left (or died) Montgomery Co. by 1840. However, between 1800 and 1840 they lived in and around there---which means that some of them had to have been buried around the area also. I just spent a few days recently in Montgomery Co. and drove around several adjacent counties but I did not have any idea about who might be buried where. If you are on more than one list concerning these counties you will probably see this same msg. so I apologize to you ahead of time. If I get an answer as to where to purchase these books, I will let the list know. Thank you for your help. Jean Hancock in TX

I'm sorry, but I know nothing about this grave site. I'll forward your message to our Danville Crossing list. Maybe someone on the list can help. Dan ------------------------ > nexturl = http://home.earthlink.net/~dlmartin2/cem/boswell.html > from = sbthomp@gateway.net > message = I had been camping on Kentucky Lake some years back.Just north of 79 > The aera was called Boswell Landing.Hiking through the woods we came > to a cematery.It had only one crypt.I guess thats the right word. > It was a walled in area.The walls were about two to three feet tall. > On one side it had formed into it what looked like head stones. > With the names of Boswell family on them. > Could you let me know the history of it.And the history of Boswell. > Its kind of a strange request,but something i would like to know. > That camping trip was about 10 years ago. And i think about it off > and on. > Thank you -- Have I, therefore, become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? Gal. 4:16 Jesus said: "I am The Way, The Truth And The Life, and nobody comes to the Father but by Me" John: 14:6 Christian Exchange, Inc: http://home.earthlink.net/~dlmartin2/cei/ggm.html God Bless America: http://www.wwd.net/user/sjackson/america.htm

Dave, I was not offended by your comments on the Willow Point Cemetery. I do think it is quite different to unknowingly miss one marker than to purposely omit an entire cemetery. I also know how you feel (well, not totally because I haven't stood and looked at the devastation) about the cemetery--some of my relatives may be buried there too. I guess with the damage done it will now be very difficult to find out. My relatives did live in that area. I think the treatment of this cemetery and the dishonor shown the people buried there and their families is horrible! I can't imagine allowing this to happen. I was under the impression that it was against the law to desecrate even one tombstone, let alone a whole cemetery. Just to clarify, I don't live in Benton Co, nor did I work on the cemetery project. I did, however, with my little project develop a healthy respect for the ones who do the work of transcribing for the books. Lillie

Saline Creek is still there! It flows into Lake Barkley near Bumpus Mills in the northern part of the county near Kentucky. Joyce ---------- >From: KAlexan254@aol.com >To: DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: Saline Creek >Date: Thu, Jul 29, 1999, 12:05 PM > > Hi, > > Can any of you Stewart Co., people tell me where Saline Creek is in > Stewart? Although it is probably under Kentucky lake now, along with my > FLETCHER ancestors' graves! > > Karen Alexander > > > ==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== > My family tree must have been used for Firewood !!! > >

This isn't meant to criticize anyone, but I have transcribed the tombstones in a cemetery near me and believe me it isn't an easy project. After doing this project, I can easily understand how a marker could get overlooked and some information not be totally correct that was taken from the old stones. I know I tried as hard as I could, since I was doing this because I wanted to, to get every stone, but the task isn't easy. Add to that the stones that you really have to work hard and use some imagination to transcribe. Some of the old stones, both marble and especially the handmade ones, are next to possible to read. I chose to do this because I know how much I appreciate being able to look on the Internet and see the names listed in cemeteries that would be impossible for me to visit. Just my two cents worth. Lillie Cotham

Hi Lillie, Any one who 'tromps' thru a cemetery to record and save the information there is to be congratulated for their dedication and sharing attitude. There are not many folks that are willing to do it. The folks who surveyed the cemeteries in Benton Co. and produced their Cemetery Book, did an excellent job in total. They deserve more credit than they receive. They put in a trememdous amount of work into the Book and have gone largely unrewarded. I owe you and the list an explanation for I don't want you or anyone else associated with the larger project to view my frustration as an indictment of their efforts, quite the contrary: My criticism is limited to one cemetery. A very important cemetery to me. I waited with great anticipation for this particular cemetery to yield information that would solve many unanswered questions. Imagine my disappointment when the cemetery was not included in the Book. My anger developed when I questioned the individuals who located and surveyed the cemetery as to why it was not included. I spoke with the individuals involved with it's ommission face to face, eyeball to eyeball. When I finally located the cemetery and viewed it's condition, I was devastated. Imagine sitting in a bank office in Big Sandy discussing, with the 'cousin' who surveyed the cemetery, why the cemetery was not included, the current condition of the cemetery and the prior desecration all the while with a 'la-di-da', cavilier attitude while tears are streaming down my wife's face <her 3rd & 2g-grandparents are interned there>. This is my issue, and subsequently, my curse. It was indicated at the time, that a "Supplement" to the Cemetery Book would be published with corrections and additions. It's been 2 years. I haven't seen it. So, I'll make my own for this cemetery and publish it. I owe the folks buried there no less. If you feel I was 'picking on' or diminishing the efforts of cemetery recorders, please accept my apologises. That was not the case. I take my "hat off to them" and thank them profusely for their efforts. Dave ================================= At 11:01 AM 7/29/99 -0700, you wrote: >This isn't meant to criticize anyone, but I have transcribed the >tombstones in a cemetery near me and believe me it isn't an easy >project. After doing this project, I can easily understand how a marker >could get overlooked and some information not be totally correct that >was taken from the old stones. I know I tried as hard as I could, since >I was doing this because I wanted to, to get every stone, but the task >isn't easy. Add to that the stones that you really have to work hard and >use some imagination to transcribe. Some of the old stones, both marble >and especially the handmade ones, are next to possible to read. I chose >to do this because I know how much I appreciate being able to look on >the Internet and see the names listed in cemeteries that would be >impossible for me to visit. Just my two cents worth. > >Lillie Cotham > > > >==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >Okay.... so I don't descend from anyone...... >Now What ???? >

While the subject is cemeteries-- I still don't know where Able Jackson or his wives Clarissa Tomlinson Jackson and Parthenia Brown Jackson are buried. It should be somewhere in Humphreys County. I'm not even sure exactly where Able lived in Humphreys County. Able died 1857 not sure about his wives. I was having such a good time at the reunion that I didn't do much more than glance through some books at the libraries now I wish I'd looked harder. If anyone knows where Able is -- please let me know. Mary Russell bird@scrtc.com

Jan Yes handled off list as a lot of people cripe about personal items at least on other lists Mary Russell helped.

Hi Ann, Yes they do, and I will post the appropriate statutes to the list later. In all fairness, the trailer was removed some time ago, BUT......................... At the time, leaning up against this trailer was an 'old' makeshift marker for an individual who now has a 'new marker' over in McRae's Chapel <along with the old marker>. How or why, I don't know. Anyway, thanks for your thoughts. Dave - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- At 11:03 AM 7/29/99 -0400, you wrote: >i just wanted to say how sorry i am to here that- i understand your anger- if >that was my family, id go bullistic!! >i thought cemeterys were protected by some sort of state laws or something? >make me wonder about the condition of our family cememtery in decatur county( >smith cemetery). i haven't been there in 15 years, and it was a good 2 miles >off the road. it probably have a 2 million dollar mansion sitting on it. or >worse, A trailer !!! Dont the deceased have any rights? > >Ann > > >==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >Hi Ho! Hi Ho! Now where did my ancestors go ?? >

Hi Dave and all: First I only worked on copying 3 small Cemeterys in the Book the William Lindsey Cem. at Faxon,The Wynn Cem near Faxon and the, COOPER Cem on the Lick Creek road, due to my health and other reasons. I know some people worked hard on the Cem. and did not want to leave ANY Grave out let alone any Cemetery out but there were others who only wanted to say they helped (you know what I mean) I dont think the willow point Cem. was left out intentionaly but was just overlooked. as for as the "White Trash", who damaged this cem. he should be punished! I have a semilar Cem.(THe Edward Lindsey Cem) near Big Sandy Edward was a Brother to my William and this Cem had ALL the Stones Removed and pilled up against a tree so the owner of the Farm could mow the area. I talked to several people who were descendants of Edward and they said they would help prosecute the man who did this. I contacted our Co attorney & Sheriff and we went to see it and spoke to the man that did it ( he didnt seam to Care at allabout the fact that No one could locate the Graves anymore) and he told us he had PERMITION to remove them from Edwards G G Grandchild who said she gave him permition to "mow the Cem but NOT to remove the Stones"then the Attorney said as it had been over 7 years since it happoned there was nothing we could do about it ! I talked to the descandants about this and no one seamed to care very much! I then told the Genealogy Soc. about it and they said they would help put up a fence around the Cem. if the Descandents would Put up a Memorial Stone with all the Names of everyone Known to be burried there.and this is where we stand now:: sad isnt it gabbie At 05:35 PM 7/28/99 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Gabbie, > >Thanks for the information on the Library being closed and when it is >expected to open. > >Thanks also for your offer to copy the Pleasant Ridge Cemetery from the >Cemetery Book, but I already own the book, so have the information. The >information in the book as to the directions to cemeteries along New Hope >Road are mainly wrong. Pleasant Ridge is further down the road than 1.7 >miles. The Willow Point Cemetery is at 1.7 miles. I spoke with Joan >Hatley and Darlene Watkins / Christopher <whatever she goes by now>, as >well as Virginia, when I was there a few ago, as to why it was left out of >the Benton Co. Cemetery Book. All I received in answer to my questions was >blank stares, I don't knows, and Darlene located & surveyed the cemetery >but her input was ignored. I don't know what the right answer is and >really don't care. I just know the Cemetery is not in the book and should >be. > >Somebody within the last 30 years has demolished the Willow Point Cemetery >for personal gain. I have persoanl accounts from members of Gen Society >confirming what occured, and to top is all off, a trailer house was placed >over it. I'm not going to get off this topic and will keep pressing and >pressing until: > >1. The Gen Society straightens out their maps and directions in their >Cemetery Book for the cemeteries on New Hope Road. > >2. They issue an Update to the book that includes Willow Point Cemetery. > >3. The person who destroyed the Willow Point Cemetery is prosecuted under >the Tennessee State Statues. I use this person as an example to my kids as >to what "white trash" really is. > >This type of stuff has go on way to long in this area and needs to stop, >NOW !! This isn't the personal property of the current landowner or the >current county residents any longer. I for one will no longer allow this >travesty to perputrated upon our heritage. Some of the people in that >cemetery are my wife & children's grandparents and I will not let them be >'flushed on' without extracting a HEAVY price for what THEY have done !! >And that includes the people who allowed it to occur. > >The above 'tongue lashing' is not meant for you, so please don't take it >personally that I used your email as a vehicle to vent my frustration with >this situation. I regard your inputs and discourse in high esteem, as I do >the other members of the DC community. My anger is directed at the >residents of Benton County who did this and those who let it happen with >impunity. I only share with you my despair and disgust. > >Thanks again for your response, > >Dave >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >At 03:28 PM 7/28/99 -0500, you wrote: >>HI DAVE: >> Shorty Brewer"s records are at present being indexed and sorted by the >>Benton Co genealogy soc. and the OLD Library is closed and the NEW Library >>want be open until some time in AUG.( probly last half) the County still >>has to pave the lot and you know how slow they work? >> the library staff is orgonizing all the books now and will have a lot of >new >>books when it opens : I will heep the Danville crossing web informed. >> Dave I looked in our new Cemetery book for the willow Point Cem. at the >>location you listed there is a Plasant Ridge Cemetery 1.7 mi from the "Y" on >> the right side of New Hope Rd.it has a LOT of graves including 31 McKenzies >> dating from John P McKenzie b April 21,1854 to last grave 1995 >> I will zorex the graves you are interested in if you wish? but until the >>NEW Library opens we can't research Shorty Brewer's records ( they were >>Loose and in disray the last time I looked at them)but should be in order >>when the Genealogy soc. finish's them,gabbie >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >> >>At 05:31 PM 7/27/99 -0700, you wrote: >>>Hi Folks, >>> >>>Would like to request a personal favor of someone in the area or who >>>periodically goes to the area to compile a small listing of information >>>contained in Hulon "Shorty" Brewer's Family Data Sheets housed in the >>>Genealogy Room of the Benton County Library. I would be more than happy to > >>>compensate you for your time. >>> >>>Specifically I am looking for a compilation of all the individuals "Shorty" >>>indicates are buried in Willow Point Cemetery, which is about 150 ft east, >>>off New Hope Road 1.7 miles north of the New Hope - Lick Creek "Y", north >>>of Big Sandy. >>> >>>My research and Shorty's records indicate only 14 McKenzies are buried >>>there, yet earlier records and living-person accounts, indicate that up >>>into the 1970's over 40 graves were visible. The cemetery has essentially >>>been destroyed since then with only 5 graves and headstones remaining. The >>>cemetery was not published in the Benton County Cemetery book. >>> >>>I have accounted for the the remaining McKenzies burial locations, so the >>>other 26+ graves in that cemetery weren't McKenzies. I don't believe the >>>Willow Point Cemetery was primarily a family cemetery, but instead was a >>>communial cemetery for the folks in the area. >>> >>>I would appreciate your help in identifying who else is buried in Willow >>>Point Cemetery and sharing the information with the lists. If you can see >>>yourself setting aside a couple of hours for this endeavor. please contact >>me. >>> >>>Thanks again, >>> >>>Dave >>> >>> >>>==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >>>My Family Tree has Root Rot !! >>> >>> >> >> >>==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >>Okay.... so I don't descend from anyone...... >>Now What ???? >> > > > >==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >My Family Tree has Root Rot !! > >