Sharon, I remember the colored film that we taped on the t.v. set. To this day I can't believe we were stupid enough to believe it would work. I remember our first t.v. It was when I Love Lucy was so popular. My Dad had seen the show somewhere and he bought a television. He had the man install it that day so he wouldn't miss the I Love Lucy show that night :). Can you remember sleeping out in the yard in the summer time? Sure wouldn't try that in most places now. B.J.(Massey) Clay

SHEESH.... yall before you get to thinkin something that is not true, let me assure you I am not a computer wiz kid... Dave Snow HIMSELF taught me what little I knew to begin with when I started working for him on websites. The rest came by trial and error and askin questions, not by any formal training...so what I have is a smattering of information and Ronda just happened to hit some of the smattering! LOL!!!! jan Listowner: Tnstewar-L@rootsweb.com Tnstewar-D@rootsweb.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Shirley Daugherty <spencer1@train.missouri.org> To: <DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 8:39 PM Subject: Re: From Listowner - Please Read > Wow!!! I wish I could have said that! > Maybe next time I can! Naw--- > > ---------- > > Don't feel bad, Ronda...the computer great sysops and gurus of the world > > seem to delight in creations that involve initials...and while we get used > > to using the initials and in context begin to learn what they apply to, the > > actual words they stand for often get lost in the shuffle...plenty of > > computer savy people don't know that when you pin them down so you aren't > > alone in not knowing. I bet if I asked the sysop where I work (who can > > manage to fix a lot of things), she would not have a clue what some of the > > simple initials she tosses around like I talk about truffles and scones > > really stand for. In answer to your question: > > 1. HTML stands for Hypertext Markup Language. In simple words it is a way > > of typing things (format commands) so that web pages actually look like they > > do. When your browser goes to them it reads the WAY the underlying code > > (which you can't see) is written and it interprets it so that you see what > > you see....think of it as the webpage you see is not really like that > > underneath at all...it is Russian and you are Spanish and you have to have > > an interpreter not only to read it but to SEE it...your browser is the > > interpreter. If you wanna really LOOK at some of the gobblety gook sometime > > on your browser go up top and click on "view", then look at "source"...that > > is what html really looks like. That funny writing puts in the font, the > > colors, the pictures, you name it. > > 2. URL stands for uniform resource locator or universal resource locator. > > Sounds about as foreign as the initials, right? It really is pretty simple > > too, though, once you know. They are SIMPLY the ADDRESS you type in to go > > to a website! They move from general to specific. When you write an old > > time snail mail letter, you move from specific to general ....like Jim > > WhoEver; 400 WHatsit Drive; Jingle Bells, Outta here; 40000....well with > > website addresses it is is opposite: http://www(world wide web). > > ourworld(server address or domain)/JimWhoever (directory)/index.htm (the > > specific file it is all in). > > Sheesh...all ya really have to know is if someone wants you to go to a URL > > they are talking about a website addy, and if they say don't send in HTML > > they mean use plain text.... oh boy. > > Hope this helped. > > jan > > Listowner: Tnstewar-L@rootsweb.com > > Tnstewar-D@rootsweb.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Tinitiger6@aol.com> > > To: <DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 4:18 PM > > Subject: Re: From Listowner - Please Read > > > > > > > What do the initials HTML, URL stand for? I do not know most of the > > > abbreviations used in computer language. Haven't been doing this that > > long. > > > Thanks for your help. > > > > > > Ronda > > > > > > > > > ==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== > > > GENEALOGY is like Hide & Seek: > > > They Hide & I Seek !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== > > Hi Ho! Hi Ho! Now where did my ancestors go ?? > > > > > > ==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== > Hi Ho! Hi Ho! Now where did my ancestors go ?? >

Don't feel bad, Ronda...the computer great sysops and gurus of the world seem to delight in creations that involve initials...and while we get used to using the initials and in context begin to learn what they apply to, the actual words they stand for often get lost in the shuffle...plenty of computer savy people don't know that when you pin them down so you aren't alone in not knowing. I bet if I asked the sysop where I work (who can manage to fix a lot of things), she would not have a clue what some of the simple initials she tosses around like I talk about truffles and scones really stand for. In answer to your question: 1. HTML stands for Hypertext Markup Language. In simple words it is a way of typing things (format commands) so that web pages actually look like they do. When your browser goes to them it reads the WAY the underlying code (which you can't see) is written and it interprets it so that you see what you see....think of it as the webpage you see is not really like that underneath at all...it is Russian and you are Spanish and you have to have an interpreter not only to read it but to SEE it...your browser is the interpreter. If you wanna really LOOK at some of the gobblety gook sometime on your browser go up top and click on "view", then look at "source"...that is what html really looks like. That funny writing puts in the font, the colors, the pictures, you name it. 2. URL stands for uniform resource locator or universal resource locator. Sounds about as foreign as the initials, right? It really is pretty simple too, though, once you know. They are SIMPLY the ADDRESS you type in to go to a website! They move from general to specific. When you write an old time snail mail letter, you move from specific to general ....like Jim WhoEver; 400 WHatsit Drive; Jingle Bells, Outta here; 40000....well with website addresses it is is opposite: http://www(world wide web). ourworld(server address or domain)/JimWhoever (directory)/index.htm (the specific file it is all in). Sheesh...all ya really have to know is if someone wants you to go to a URL they are talking about a website addy, and if they say don't send in HTML they mean use plain text.... oh boy. Hope this helped. jan Listowner: Tnstewar-L@rootsweb.com Tnstewar-D@rootsweb.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tinitiger6@aol.com> To: <DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 4:18 PM Subject: Re: From Listowner - Please Read > What do the initials HTML, URL stand for? I do not know most of the > abbreviations used in computer language. Haven't been doing this that long. > Thanks for your help. > > Ronda > > > ==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== > GENEALOGY is like Hide & Seek: > They Hide & I Seek !! > > > >

David, I went to the site and tried to find the four things it suggested but the only one I could find in my explorer 5 was the Internet Zone from normal to more increased security. I couldn't find anything that said ActiveX controls or scripting. Could you help? Also how can we pass it on in our e-mails? As you can guess, I'm not a computer whiz. Thanks. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: David L. Snow <DLSNOW@worldnet.att.net> To: <DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 2:58 PM Subject: From Listowner - Please Read > Hi Folks, > > Sorry for the interruption to Gen topics, but there is a security problem > that has become apparent with Internet Explorer version 5.0 and a number of > popular email programs that you should be aware of. It involves the > possibility of someone being able to assume control of your computer by > using simple HTML code on their webpages if you visit their website, or if > they send you email messages with HTML code embedded it them (as some of > you do). > > Please read the following and educate yourselves: > > > http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2322425,00.html > > Please be aware: The DanvilleCrossing List or it's websites are NOT > subject to this problem. Rootsweb does not process emails to the DC List > with embedded HTML code, and I PERSONALLY code all DC Website pages (and > the last thing I want is control of your computer.......have enough > problems with my own.) > > BTW: Ira has the URL of a website that will do this to your computer. I > wouldn't suggest you go there however. Just go to the site will do it. > > Dave > > > > > ==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== > What do you mean my grandparents didn't have any kids ??? > >

What a neat group of people. Sorry I missed being there. Thanks for your efforts Cher.....you're a grand host. Can't wait for 2000. Dave ==================================================== At 10:29 PM 8/27/1999 -0400, you wrote: >Obviously I dont have the software down pat.... but, tiz the best we have >right now! <vbg> >take a look at this motley crew! <LOL> >Cher > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~tndickso/DCHomeList.htm > > >==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >What do you mean my grandparents didn't have any kids ??? >

Hi Folks, Sorry for the interruption to Gen topics, but there is a security problem that has become apparent with Internet Explorer version 5.0 and a number of popular email programs that you should be aware of. It involves the possibility of someone being able to assume control of your computer by using simple HTML code on their webpages if you visit their website, or if they send you email messages with HTML code embedded it them (as some of you do). Please read the following and educate yourselves: http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2322425,00.html Please be aware: The DanvilleCrossing List or it's websites are NOT subject to this problem. Rootsweb does not process emails to the DC List with embedded HTML code, and I PERSONALLY code all DC Website pages (and the last thing I want is control of your computer.......have enough problems with my own.) BTW: Ira has the URL of a website that will do this to your computer. I wouldn't suggest you go there however. Just go to the site will do it. Dave

Ira, your story about driving uphill backwards to get gas to the carburetor was just great...isn't it stories like these what genealogy is about--sure makes me wish I'd paid more attention to my grandparents stories when they were still here. Does anyone remember the green, red, and blue film(?) sheets put on televisions to give you color? My daddy convinced us kids we were rich because we had color t.v.! [verrrry naive girls :-)] My grandson was watching the rerun for the 25-year Mickey Mouse reunion not too long ago and was amazed that the original Mousketeers are still alive. He was even more incredulous when we told him that was our favorite t.v. show and we would hurry to finish all our homework so we could see it! His comment, "you mean you watched that on t.v. I didn't know you were THAT old." (emphasis his!) Sharon

In a message dated 08/28/1999 1:52:50 PM Central Daylight Time, billcol@ix.netcom.com writes: << Does anyone remember the green, red, and blue film(?) sheets put on televisions to give you color? My daddy convinced us kids we were rich because we had color t.v.! [verrrry naive girls :-)] >> Sharon: Absolutely Had one, when I lived in Paris Tennessee, also a TV antenna on top of my house on a 40 foot rod, to get it high enough where We could get Nashville and Memphis both, little snowy but still able to watch in B&W, with color through my colored screen. Ira

Thanks, Jan. It does make more sense when you see it written out. Thanks again. Ronda

Wow!!! I wish I could have said that! Maybe next time I can! Naw--- ---------- > Don't feel bad, Ronda...the computer great sysops and gurus of the world > seem to delight in creations that involve initials...and while we get used > to using the initials and in context begin to learn what they apply to, the > actual words they stand for often get lost in the shuffle...plenty of > computer savy people don't know that when you pin them down so you aren't > alone in not knowing. I bet if I asked the sysop where I work (who can > manage to fix a lot of things), she would not have a clue what some of the > simple initials she tosses around like I talk about truffles and scones > really stand for. In answer to your question: > 1. HTML stands for Hypertext Markup Language. In simple words it is a way > of typing things (format commands) so that web pages actually look like they > do. When your browser goes to them it reads the WAY the underlying code > (which you can't see) is written and it interprets it so that you see what > you see....think of it as the webpage you see is not really like that > underneath at all...it is Russian and you are Spanish and you have to have > an interpreter not only to read it but to SEE it...your browser is the > interpreter. If you wanna really LOOK at some of the gobblety gook sometime > on your browser go up top and click on "view", then look at "source"...that > is what html really looks like. That funny writing puts in the font, the > colors, the pictures, you name it. > 2. URL stands for uniform resource locator or universal resource locator. > Sounds about as foreign as the initials, right? It really is pretty simple > too, though, once you know. They are SIMPLY the ADDRESS you type in to go > to a website! They move from general to specific. When you write an old > time snail mail letter, you move from specific to general ....like Jim > WhoEver; 400 WHatsit Drive; Jingle Bells, Outta here; 40000....well with > website addresses it is is opposite: http://www(world wide web). > ourworld(server address or domain)/JimWhoever (directory)/index.htm (the > specific file it is all in). > Sheesh...all ya really have to know is if someone wants you to go to a URL > they are talking about a website addy, and if they say don't send in HTML > they mean use plain text.... oh boy. > Hope this helped. > jan > Listowner: Tnstewar-L@rootsweb.com > Tnstewar-D@rootsweb.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Tinitiger6@aol.com> > To: <DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 4:18 PM > Subject: Re: From Listowner - Please Read > > > > What do the initials HTML, URL stand for? I do not know most of the > > abbreviations used in computer language. Haven't been doing this that > long. > > Thanks for your help. > > > > Ronda > > > > > > ==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== > > GENEALOGY is like Hide & Seek: > > They Hide & I Seek !! > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== > Hi Ho! Hi Ho! Now where did my ancestors go ?? >

In a message dated 8/27/1999 7:52:44 PM Mountain Daylight Time, bwhiz@mindspring.com writes: << Carolyn: The opinion expressed herein is my own and does not reflect the opinion of serious genealogists. I just saw the note posted by the researcher and she is 100% correct. However, it is very expensive and time consuming to get into all of the documents. I find that on anything other than my own direct line, a notation of "Information found>>>>>>>whereever, unverified". Like the stuff I gave you from the Great Book of Sykes. Just put unverified informaton from Book Compiled by Henry Colyer Sykes "Arthur & Samson Sikes of Stewart Count, Tennessee 1794-1871/About 1791-1825)" I can even give you page numbers if you want. My direct line is a different story. I want wills, census, estate settlement, death certificates, marriage records, etc. I want to smell the mold on the document. But on all the incidental relatives to me word of mouth is way cool. That way when you pass on the info the person receiving it will know its not verified. Marsha Dear Marsha, Thanks for your opinion and tips. Makes sense to me! My sister-in-law has a copy of the Sikes/Sykes Book, so that will be a help to me. Thanks for offering your help, too. Carolyn

What do the initials HTML, URL stand for? I do not know most of the abbreviations used in computer language. Haven't been doing this that long. Thanks for your help. Ronda

Unsubscribe > >Content-Type: text/plain > >DanvilleCrossing-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 289 > >Today's Topics: > #1 Re: Remembering ["ace1125" <ace1125@ne.infi.net>] > #2 Harry & Sue ["Kenneth Banasiewicz" <bwhiz@minds] > #3 T.V. sensors ["Sandra Ellis" <sjellis@mindspring] > #4 Re: Do you remember? ["B.J. Clay" <bclay@pan-tex.net>] > #5 Re: Do you remember? [CackyCline@aol.com] > #6 Tennesseans in the CW ["ace1125" <ace1125@ne.infi.net>] > #7 Info on Genealogy and Copyrights. ["ace1125" <ace1125@ne.infi.net>] > #8 Re: 24 of 25 [Pozzydaz@aol.com] > #9 Re: Info on Genealogy and Copyrigh ["David L. Snow" <DLSNOW@worldnet.a] > #10 Re: Remembering [Pozzydaz@aol.com] > #11 Re: Remembering [Pozzydaz@aol.com] > #12 [Fwd: MAILTO.CGI FORM DATA] ["Daniel L. 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No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > >______________________________ >X-Message: #1 >Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:15:18 -0400 >From: "ace1125" <ace1125@ne.infi.net> >To: DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <000101bef086$f49a7640$85711bce@user> >Subject: Re: Remembering >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >I You just aren't old enough! <LOL> The same memories covered KY, too. >Cher >-----Original Message----- >From: Harry Buchanan <102477.1340@compuserve.com> >To: DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com <DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Thursday, August 26, 1999 11:44 PM >Subject: Re: Remembering > > >>I started to say something about Ruff and Reddy earlier. We'd watch those >>westerns and then go outside and re-enact the whole thing using our many >>cap pistols. Anybody noticed how much those cap pistols are worth on Ebay? >> >> >>One thing that's kind of neat about Danville Crossing is that a lot of you >>guys are from middle Tennessee where we grew up. Down here in Alabama I >>don't think they have the same memories >> Harry & Sue. >> >> >>>I still have my 1957 Shirley Temple Doll and my Patti Playpal doll. I >>remember being in my dad's late 40's Pontiac when I was only 3. Anyone >>remember Ruff and Reddy? the evil villian Master Cylinder from the planet >>MuniMula (That's aluminum spelled backwards) Crusader Rabbit and good old >>Merry Melodies cartoons.< >> >> >>==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >>Hi Ho! Hi Ho! Now where did my ancestors go ?? >> >> > >______________________________ >X-Message: #2 >Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:41:49 -0500 >From: "Kenneth Banasiewicz" <bwhiz@mindspring.com> >To: DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <004c01bef089$892bfde0$f486aec7@banasiew> >Subject: Harry & Sue >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > >I grew up in Paris, TN. I presently also live in Alabama. Their thing was that Captain who ever that was on the Birmingham station. Saw him at the Masonic temple two years ago. My daughter was in a Christmas Program there. He would have to get up pretty early in the Morning to beat Captain Bob. > >Do you remember who the guy was out of Paducah? I think Dan Steele did it for a little while but there was someone else too. This little boy who was laughing. This guy goaded him into telling why he was laughing. Well the kid told. Where was the network sensor when you needed them!!!! (VBGROFG) > >Marsha > >______________________________ >X-Message: #3 >Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:46:24 -0500 >From: "Sandra Ellis" <sjellis@mindspring.com> >To: DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <004401bef092$91133880$e2b38ad1@mom> >Subject: T.V. sensors >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > >I remember the particular program. I'm not sure if it was Captain Bob (Lobertini) or Captain Bill (Jay Bumpas) that asked why the little boy was laughing. (Seems "Henry" had eaten some beans before the program and was making a little music.) The show was on Nashville's channel 5. At the time, it was WLAC--now it station is WTVF. > >Here's some "personal" trivia because I don't remember how much older I am than Stan (Magnesen) who's also on this list (and my brother)! > >When I was a small child, I spent May 15-July 15 with my Mother and the rest of the year with Daddy. The last summer I stayed with Mother, they lived in a house near Dunbar Cave. (It must have been 1957 because Elvis had released "Teddy Bear" and "Loving You"--I still have the singles Daddy bought for me!) I'm sure Stan can't remember--he was young enough that he was still sleeping in a baby bed. > >This house was across from the old hotel. It had a screened in front porch. Stan's Dad and several men had a band and practiced on that porch and played at dances at the hotel. (Sometimes our sister sang.) > >Next door to this house is where the Bumpas family lived. Sheila (our sister) and I were old enough to watch Captain Bill on t.v. and were very excited to learn that his mother and daddy lived next door to us! When he came home for a visit, we were invited over to meet him--I remember being so excited about meeting a "t.v. star"! The big day finally came and we couldn't wait to meet Captain Bill. And, there he was--in his swimsuit! I wasn't really sure this man was Captian Bill. He wasn't dressed like him at all--he didn't even have the hat! The grown-ups had to have been playing a trick on Sheila and me! After our meeting (and I probably expressed my opinions!), this "imposter" started wearing his "Captain Bill" hat whenever he went outside in case we saw him! > >Sorry this is so long--I just had to tell how disappointed I was when I got to meet Captain Bill! After that experience, I never got "impressed" when I met someone with a "title". I must have realized that they were "just people" like me! > >Sandy Ellis > >______________________________ >X-Message: #4 >Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:57:05 -0500 >From: "B.J. Clay" <bclay@pan-tex.net> >To: DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <37C69931.5FC5@pan-tex.net> >Subject: Re: Do you remember? >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Gabbie, I still have one of the "big, little books". Tells my age >doesn't it. :) B.J. > >______________________________ >X-Message: #5 >Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:57:26 EDT >From: CackyCline@aol.com >To: DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <bbd0af08.24f7f346@aol.com> >Subject: Re: Do you remember? >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Ira, We had the first television set in Cartersville GA, and the antenna on a >tall pole in the back yard, pointed at WAGA Atlanta, so we could see this new >marvel, television, on our 7 inch Motorola Television screen! It had a big >glass thing on traks in front of the screen, filled with something that loked >like Windex, to magnify the picture. That was before fall of 1948, because I >remember having it before I was hit by a car and laid up in front of it for >most of a month! Most of the day it had a circular test patttern. I >remember Leslie Uggams on the Paul Whitemen show, and of course, Tuesday >nights at 8, Uncle Miltie and the Texaco Star theatre..... the only thing we >were allowed to stay up and watch on school nights. I remember that little >girl Kathy getting stuck in a well, out West somewhere and how it scared me >to think of being stuck like that and all alone. > >I was born in 1941 and can recall pretty clearly back to about age 4, some >thing earlier. > >Watching Mother color the oleo, > >sharing the Black pepper with other folks, (they divided with us several >times before it became avaioable after The War.) > >When NEW cars became available again.. > >... during The War, with daddy on leave from the Army (82nd Airborne Div) >we had a flat on the way from Paris to Brownsville, and no spare.. and Daddy >walked to a station to see what he could do to get me and my brother and mama >off the side of the road. The man who owned the station did not have A TIRE >or A TUBE for sale, but he did have an old Chevy salesman's coupe ( no back >seat).. and the trunk was FULL of tires.. for sale. Daddy bought the car, >and had the man mount one of the tires for our car to get us to my >grandparents' house in B/ville. Then he struck a deal with my Papa Ben, to >sell him the coupe for what he paid for it and they divided the extra >tires...which got them both through The War. Papa Ben stil owned the Coupe >when he died, in Oct 1948. > >Those were the days! > >Cacky > >______________________________ >X-Message: #6 >Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:09:11 -0400 >From: "ace1125" <ace1125@ne.infi.net> >To: DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <001901bef0a9$88e682e0$85711bce@user> >Subject: Tennesseans in the CW >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >You just gotta check this out.. it is a great page.. and a spinoff of the >text Tennessean's in the Civil War. >I didn't look at all the pages..but, it is impressive.. This is one url to >save!! >Does this mean I wont have to do lookups in this text anymore??????? <LOL> >Cher > >http://www.tngenweb.org/civilwar/tncwindex.html > >______________________________ >X-Message: #7 >Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:12:58 -0400 >From: "ace1125" <ace1125@ne.infi.net> >To: DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <002501bef0af$825c9080$85711bce@user> >Subject: Info on Genealogy and Copyrights. >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >If anyone is perplexed about this issue, here is an excellent resource to >read.. It clarifies the 'actual' definitions as to origional works, public >domain, fair use, authorship.. and many other features that you may >encounter on the web or in your research. You might want to bookmark these >pages for reference. > >I think we all need to read these and understand just what is copyrightable >and what isn't. I s the info youres or your cousins? Hummm? <g> >Check it out.. >Cher > >http://www.genealogy.com/genealogy/14_cpyrt.html >http://www.rootsweb.com/~mikegoad/copyright1.htm > >______________________________ >X-Message: #8 >Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:17:31 EDT >From: Pozzydaz@aol.com >To: DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <9f2dd450.24f8303b@aol.com> >Subject: Re: 24 of 25 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Had Romper room in Salt Lake also. Our teacher was called Miss Julie. After >it was off the TV i meet met her at a neighbors house. Pozzydaz > >______________________________ >X-Message: #9 >Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:19:16 -0700 >From: "David L. Snow" <DLSNOW@worldnet.att.net> >To: DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com >Message-Id: <19990827181903.IMLI15925@default> >Subject: Re: Info on Genealogy and Copyrights. >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >The correct answer is: NOBODY > >The following paragraph is pulled from the 1st reference. Facts about your >pedigree are not copyrightable and are in the 'public domain'. Therefore, >you can copy the 'facts' from any source you want, including your cousins >gen charts. What you can't do is copy any narrative or unique format in >which the 'facts' are presented. > >Dave > >"The copyright laws affect both the research and the publication of your >genealogy, either a narrative >family history or a simple pedigree family line. First, though, consider >that the basic facts about your >ancestor's life (such as name, birth date and place, marriage partner, date >and place, and death date >and place) do not receive copyright protection, no matter their source. >Whether you went to the >county courthouse, rented a microfilm of the relevant records, or found the >data in a commercial >CD-ROM, the basic facts of a person's life may be freely copied; they are >in the public domain." >============================================================ >At 01:12 PM 8/27/1999 -0400, you wrote: >>If anyone is perplexed about this issue, here is an excellent resource to >>read.. It clarifies the 'actual' definitions as to origional works, public >>domain, fair use, authorship.. and many other features that you may >>encounter on the web or in your research. You might want to bookmark these >>pages for reference. >> >>I think we all need to read these and understand just what is copyrightable >>and what isn't. I s the info youres or your cousins? Hummm? <g> >>Check it out.. >>Cher >> >>http://www.genealogy.com/genealogy/14_cpyrt.html >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~mikegoad/copyright1.htm >> >> >>==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >>Okay.... so I don't descend from anyone...... >>Now What ???? >> > >______________________________ >X-Message: #10 >Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:32:22 EDT >From: Pozzydaz@aol.com >To: DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <a709c26f.24f833b6@aol.com> >Subject: Re: Remembering >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Dave you can still get some of the old candies from Vermont Country Stores in >Weston Vermont. Black Jack , Clove, Beemans Gum ;SEN-SEN ; Sassafras Drops >Pozzydaz > >______________________________ >X-Message: #11 >Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:34:22 EDT >From: Pozzydaz@aol.com >To: DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <70844f49.24f8342e@aol.com> >Subject: Re: Remembering >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >How about Jimmy Allen. Also The Space Cadets Capt Midnight >pozzydaz > >______________________________ >X-Message: #12 >Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:24:31 -0500 >From: "Daniel L. Martin" <dlmartin2@earthlink.net> >To: DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <37C7020E.9A93E1D9@earthlink.net> >Subject: [Fwd: MAILTO.CGI FORM DATA] >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Could anyone help this fellow find his friend? > >Dan > >> Subject = Web Page Message >> nexturl = http://home.earthlink.net/~dlmartin2/cem/bumpus_mills.html >> from = boyce.h@worldnet.att.net >> message = When I lived in Clarksville in the 50's, I had a friend from your area named Brooksie Wallace Marshall, with whom I worked at the Post Treasurer's Office at Fort Campbell. I last heard from her after she divorced Mr. Marshall. This may not be the best way to find her, but I just don't know how and hate to lose a dear friend. If you cannot help me, maybe you have a suggestion how to locate her. > >-- >Have I, therefore, become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? Gal. 4:16 >Jesus said: "I am The Way, The Truth And The Life, and nobody >comes to the Father but by Me" John: 14:6 >Christian Exchange, Inc: http://home.earthlink.net/~dlmartin2/cei/ggm.html >God Bless America: http://www.wwd.net/user/sjackson/america.htm > >______________________________ >X-Message: #13 >Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:21:06 EDT >From: Familybuff@cs.com >To: DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <a56faaee.24f87762@cs.com> >Subject: Re: Info on Genealogy and Copyrights. >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >I am in the beginning stages of writing about our Whitford family. Is it >permissible for me to document a source as "Danville Crossing List on the >Internet"? I have received data from members of the list. >Thank you. >Carolyn Whitford > >______________________________ >X-Message: #14 >Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:48:26 -0500 >From: "SUSAN DONAHUE" <bargerhaus@msn.com> >To: DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <012501bef0e6$ab493ac0$bbe3153f@hughbarg> >Subject: Re: Info on Genealogy and Copyrights. >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Carolyn, > >I teach genealogy at the College of DuPage in Glen Ellyn, Illinois. So, my >opinion tends to be more conservative than some other family historians, but >I do not consider a discussion group on the internet to be a source. (A >valuable help, but not a source.) If someone posts a query, and I respond, >I include the actual source reference so the other person can consult it and >evaluate it for themselves. I also do not regard webpages, the I.G.I., >CD-ROM's and published or unpublished indexes as sources. They are aids >which lead us to sources. If you do not examine a source for yourself, but >rely on the accuracy of another person to do a lookup for you, you could >risk the validity of your work. More importantly, you miss the opportunity >to view the actual document, court record, grave marker, artifact, etc., >and the possibility of seeing additional information which could be of value >to you. > >That is just my opinion, but I hope it helps. > >Susan > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <Familybuff@cs.com> >To: <DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 6:21 PM >Subject: Re: Info on Genealogy and Copyrights. > > >> I am in the beginning stages of writing about our Whitford family. Is it >> permissible for me to document a source as "Danville Crossing List on the >> Internet"? I have received data from members of the list. >> Thank you. >> Carolyn Whitford >> >> >> ==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >> My family tree must have been used for Firewood !!! >> > >______________________________ >X-Message: #15 >Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:42:04 -0500 >From: "Jean Gilley" <JGilley@TXK.net> >To: DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <1276321271-10333693@mail.txk.net> >Subject: Re: Info on Genealogy and Copyrights. >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >I strongly agree with Susan! Use the info you find here as CLUES, but for >it to be a source you can document, you need to see the original or a >photocopy of it, not a transcription of it. I believe that for my own >research, and I've filled out many forms for DAR and one must document, >document, document! Its really important, if you want your work to have >value, and not be based on the mistakes of others. None of us are perfect, >but we need to see what we record is as accurate as possible. > >Jean G. > >---------- >> From: SUSAN DONAHUE <bargerhaus@msn.com> >> To: DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: Info on Genealogy and Copyrights. >> Date: Friday, August 27, 1999 6:48 PM >> >> Carolyn, >> >> I teach genealogy at the College of DuPage in Glen Ellyn, Illinois. So, >my >> opinion tends to be more conservative than some other family historians, >but >> I do not consider a discussion group on the internet to be a source. (A >> valuable help, but not a source.) If someone posts a query, and I >respond, >> I include the actual source reference so the other person can consult it >and >> evaluate it for themselves. I also do not regard webpages, the I.G.I., >> CD-ROM's and published or unpublished indexes as sources. They are aids >> which lead us to sources. If you do not examine a source for yourself, >but >> rely on the accuracy of another person to do a lookup for you, you could >> risk the validity of your work. More importantly, you miss the >opportunity >> to view the actual document, court record, grave marker, artifact, etc., >> and the possibility of seeing additional information which could be of >value >> to you. >> >> That is just my opinion, but I hope it helps. >> >> Susan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <Familybuff@cs.com> >> To: <DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 6:21 PM >> Subject: Re: Info on Genealogy and Copyrights. >> >> >> > I am in the beginning stages of writing about our Whitford family. Is >it >> > permissible for me to document a source as "Danville Crossing List on >the >> > Internet"? I have received data from members of the list. >> > Thank you. >> > Carolyn Whitford >> > >> > >> > ==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >> > My family tree must have been used for Firewood !!! >> > >> >> >> >> ==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >> My genealogy software won't accept "spaceship" >> as a "Place of Birth"..... Now What ???? > >______________________________ >X-Message: #16 >Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:40:59 EDT >From: Familybuff@cs.com >To: DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <47e99fbf.24f8982b@cs.com> >Subject: Re: Info on Genealogy and Copyrights. >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Thanks, Susan. I see your point. I know where the data was found, so that >helps a lot in my case. >Carolyn > >______________________________ >X-Message: #17 >Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:53:27 -0500 >From: "Kenneth Banasiewicz" <bwhiz@mindspring.com> >To: DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <004b01bef0f8$1fb71380$cc82aec7@banasiew> >Subject: Carolyn Whiteford >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > >Carolyn: > >The opinion expressed herein is my own and does not reflect the opinion of serious genealogists. > >I just saw the note posted by the researcher and she is 100% correct. However, it is very expensive and time consuming to get into all of the documents. I find that on anything other than my own direct line, a notation of "Information found>>>>>>>whereever, unverified". Like the stuff I gave you from the Great Book of Sykes. Just put unverified informaton from Book Compiled by Henry Colyer Sykes "Arthur & Samson Sikes of Stewart Count, Tennessee 1794-1871/About 1791-1825)" I can even give you page numbers if you want. My direct line is a different story. I want wills, census, estate settlement, death certificates, marriage records, etc. I want to smell the mold on the document. But on all the incidental relatives to me word of mouth is way cool. > >That way when you pass on the info the person receiving it will know its not verified. > >Marsha > >______________________________ >X-Message: #18 >Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 23:37:04 EDT >From: GRIDDIP@aol.com >To: DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <ad97e448.24f8b360@aol.com> >Subject: Re: Do you remember? >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Cacky: > >I remember all those things every one has written about, Gabbie and I were >grown when you folks first saw the light of day. I cannot but smile real big >when I see you folks talking about those "MODERN" cars, studebaker, Graham >Paige, reo, and all those modern ones. > >The first car I ever owned was a Model "T" Ford, gave $5.00 for it, of course >the motor was in bad shape, I overhauled it, used Bruton Snuff cans to make >shims for the crankshaft, (Necessary to repair about every 3 to 4 months) and >I used up all the leather harness (For Mules and Horses) to make brake and >clutch bands for the transmission. >The funny thing about them was they did not have a fuel pump on the gas line, >So necessary to mount the Gasoline tank just under the windshield, so fuel >would gravity flow to the carburetor. When you would start up a hill, if fuel >was low it would flow away from the intake pipe in the tank and the motor >would stop, No Fuel> It would then be necessary to turn around and back up >the hill. so gasoline would flow down to the motor. >Gasoline was only 14 cents per gallon, but you would never leave a lot of >gasoline in the tank because it would evaporate, and you got no use from it, >even at 14 cents per gallon. >I could swap one frying size chicken for 20 cents worth of Gasoline and a >pack of Black Jack Chewing gum. Boy what a date. > >Ira > >______________________________ >X-Message: #19 >Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:57:19 -0700 >From: "David L. Snow" <DLSNOW@worldnet.att.net> >To: DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com >Message-Id: <19990828040032.GXVP15884@default> >Subject: Re: Info on Genealogy and Copyrights. >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Hey Susan, a Gen Class at COD. No Kidding.....Good for you. Did my >under-graduate work at Elmhurst. > >Dave >- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >------------- >At 06:48 PM 8/27/1999 -0500, you wrote: >>Carolyn, >> >>I teach genealogy at the College of DuPage in Glen Ellyn, Illinois. So, my >>opinion tends to be more conservative than some other family historians, but >>I do not consider a discussion group on the internet to be a source. (A >>valuable help, but not a source.) If someone posts a query, and I respond, >>I include the actual source reference so the other person can consult it and >>evaluate it for themselves. I also do not regard webpages, the I.G.I., >>CD-ROM's and published or unpublished indexes as sources. They are aids >>which lead us to sources. If you do not examine a source for yourself, but >>rely on the accuracy of another person to do a lookup for you, you could >>risk the validity of your work. More importantly, you miss the opportunity >>to view the actual document, court record, grave marker, artifact, etc., >>and the possibility of seeing additional information which could be of value >>to you. >> >>That is just my opinion, but I hope it helps. >> >>Susan >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: <Familybuff@cs.com> >>To: <DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 6:21 PM >>Subject: Re: Info on Genealogy and Copyrights. >> >> >>> I am in the beginning stages of writing about our Whitford family. Is it >>> permissible for me to document a source as "Danville Crossing List on the >>> Internet"? I have received data from members of the list. >>> Thank you. >>> Carolyn Whitford >>> >>> >>> ==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >>> My family tree must have been used for Firewood !!! >>> >> >> >> >>==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >>My genealogy software won't accept "spaceship" >>as a "Place of Birth"..... Now What ???? >> >

Hey Susan, a Gen Class at COD. No Kidding.....Good for you. Did my under-graduate work at Elmhurst. Dave - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- At 06:48 PM 8/27/1999 -0500, you wrote: >Carolyn, > >I teach genealogy at the College of DuPage in Glen Ellyn, Illinois. So, my >opinion tends to be more conservative than some other family historians, but >I do not consider a discussion group on the internet to be a source. (A >valuable help, but not a source.) If someone posts a query, and I respond, >I include the actual source reference so the other person can consult it and >evaluate it for themselves. I also do not regard webpages, the I.G.I., >CD-ROM's and published or unpublished indexes as sources. They are aids >which lead us to sources. If you do not examine a source for yourself, but >rely on the accuracy of another person to do a lookup for you, you could >risk the validity of your work. More importantly, you miss the opportunity >to view the actual document, court record, grave marker, artifact, etc., >and the possibility of seeing additional information which could be of value >to you. > >That is just my opinion, but I hope it helps. > >Susan > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <Familybuff@cs.com> >To: <DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 6:21 PM >Subject: Re: Info on Genealogy and Copyrights. > > >> I am in the beginning stages of writing about our Whitford family. Is it >> permissible for me to document a source as "Danville Crossing List on the >> Internet"? I have received data from members of the list. >> Thank you. >> Carolyn Whitford >> >> >> ==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >> My family tree must have been used for Firewood !!! >> > > > >==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >My genealogy software won't accept "spaceship" >as a "Place of Birth"..... Now What ???? >

Obviously I dont have the software down pat.... but, tiz the best we have right now! <vbg> take a look at this motley crew! <LOL> Cher http://www.rootsweb.com/~tndickso/DCHomeList.htm

Carolyn: The opinion expressed herein is my own and does not reflect the opinion of serious genealogists. I just saw the note posted by the researcher and she is 100% correct. However, it is very expensive and time consuming to get into all of the documents. I find that on anything other than my own direct line, a notation of "Information found>>>>>>>whereever, unverified". Like the stuff I gave you from the Great Book of Sykes. Just put unverified informaton from Book Compiled by Henry Colyer Sykes "Arthur & Samson Sikes of Stewart Count, Tennessee 1794-1871/About 1791-1825)" I can even give you page numbers if you want. My direct line is a different story. I want wills, census, estate settlement, death certificates, marriage records, etc. I want to smell the mold on the document. But on all the incidental relatives to me word of mouth is way cool. That way when you pass on the info the person receiving it will know its not verified. Marsha

I strongly agree with Susan! Use the info you find here as CLUES, but for it to be a source you can document, you need to see the original or a photocopy of it, not a transcription of it. I believe that for my own research, and I've filled out many forms for DAR and one must document, document, document! Its really important, if you want your work to have value, and not be based on the mistakes of others. None of us are perfect, but we need to see what we record is as accurate as possible. Jean G. ---------- > From: SUSAN DONAHUE <bargerhaus@msn.com> > To: DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Info on Genealogy and Copyrights. > Date: Friday, August 27, 1999 6:48 PM > > Carolyn, > > I teach genealogy at the College of DuPage in Glen Ellyn, Illinois. So, my > opinion tends to be more conservative than some other family historians, but > I do not consider a discussion group on the internet to be a source. (A > valuable help, but not a source.) If someone posts a query, and I respond, > I include the actual source reference so the other person can consult it and > evaluate it for themselves. I also do not regard webpages, the I.G.I., > CD-ROM's and published or unpublished indexes as sources. They are aids > which lead us to sources. If you do not examine a source for yourself, but > rely on the accuracy of another person to do a lookup for you, you could > risk the validity of your work. More importantly, you miss the opportunity > to view the actual document, court record, grave marker, artifact, etc., > and the possibility of seeing additional information which could be of value > to you. > > That is just my opinion, but I hope it helps. > > Susan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Familybuff@cs.com> > To: <DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 6:21 PM > Subject: Re: Info on Genealogy and Copyrights. > > > > I am in the beginning stages of writing about our Whitford family. Is it > > permissible for me to document a source as "Danville Crossing List on the > > Internet"? I have received data from members of the list. > > Thank you. > > Carolyn Whitford > > > > > > ==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== > > My family tree must have been used for Firewood !!! > > > > > > ==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== > My genealogy software won't accept "spaceship" > as a "Place of Birth"..... Now What ????

Carolyn, I teach genealogy at the College of DuPage in Glen Ellyn, Illinois. So, my opinion tends to be more conservative than some other family historians, but I do not consider a discussion group on the internet to be a source. (A valuable help, but not a source.) If someone posts a query, and I respond, I include the actual source reference so the other person can consult it and evaluate it for themselves. I also do not regard webpages, the I.G.I., CD-ROM's and published or unpublished indexes as sources. They are aids which lead us to sources. If you do not examine a source for yourself, but rely on the accuracy of another person to do a lookup for you, you could risk the validity of your work. More importantly, you miss the opportunity to view the actual document, court record, grave marker, artifact, etc., and the possibility of seeing additional information which could be of value to you. That is just my opinion, but I hope it helps. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: <Familybuff@cs.com> To: <DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 6:21 PM Subject: Re: Info on Genealogy and Copyrights. > I am in the beginning stages of writing about our Whitford family. Is it > permissible for me to document a source as "Danville Crossing List on the > Internet"? I have received data from members of the list. > Thank you. > Carolyn Whitford > > > ==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== > My family tree must have been used for Firewood !!! >

Cacky: I remember all those things every one has written about, Gabbie and I were grown when you folks first saw the light of day. I cannot but smile real big when I see you folks talking about those "MODERN" cars, studebaker, Graham Paige, reo, and all those modern ones. The first car I ever owned was a Model "T" Ford, gave $5.00 for it, of course the motor was in bad shape, I overhauled it, used Bruton Snuff cans to make shims for the crankshaft, (Necessary to repair about every 3 to 4 months) and I used up all the leather harness (For Mules and Horses) to make brake and clutch bands for the transmission. The funny thing about them was they did not have a fuel pump on the gas line, So necessary to mount the Gasoline tank just under the windshield, so fuel would gravity flow to the carburetor. When you would start up a hill, if fuel was low it would flow away from the intake pipe in the tank and the motor would stop, No Fuel> It would then be necessary to turn around and back up the hill. so gasoline would flow down to the motor. Gasoline was only 14 cents per gallon, but you would never leave a lot of gasoline in the tank because it would evaporate, and you got no use from it, even at 14 cents per gallon. I could swap one frying size chicken for 20 cents worth of Gasoline and a pack of Black Jack Chewing gum. Boy what a date. Ira

Thanks, Susan. I see your point. I know where the data was found, so that helps a lot in my case. Carolyn