JOHN: This is a line I have looked at -- William DANIEL and Elizabeth COLEMAN out of the Essex County, VA bunch...... ANNE: Remember, I've never insisted "which" William DANIEL and Elizabeth COLEMAN, and you may well be correct John. However, I've been looking at the "next door" county of Westmoreland COLEMAN families connected to the COLEMAN + SPILSBY union which connected back to my READ(E) + COLEMAN and ASBURYs, and believe Essex, Westmoreland and Richmond, etc. were just about all the same clan of COLEMANs. Note below one specific marriage into the COLEMAN+SPILSBY family... child "three" under Coleman READ(E) children, and then note child "one" [my line]... Anne READ(E) whose grandmother was an Elizabeth COLEMAN... Anne, b: 03 APR 1724, married Thomas ASBURY... Also, I've wondered if Edmond DANIEL didn't have a first spouse too... before Elizabeth TEMBTE Murden... since they married so late in life... then, may he was just busy selling land to think about marriage. Anyway, I keep going back to the ASBURYs with their COLEMAN connections, trying to find the answers... but, guess I'm just not smart enuff to sort it all out... while me eyes end up crossed and am totally stressed out. `````````````````````````````````````````` Children of Richard COLEMAN and Susan MasCALL or McCALL: 1. John COLEMAN, bc: 1653/54, ~ d: 1686 ~ probably unmarried, when Thomas GARLAND was appointed his executor 20 DEC 1686 (Westmoreland Co. O. B. #1, pg 531). 2. Elizabeth COLEMAN, d: 1697, Westmoreland ~ married Andrew READE as his second spouse. [my line] 3. James COLEMAN ~ deeded land in 1695 that had descended to him from William and Richard COLEMAN (Westmoreland Co. D&W, No 2, 1691-99, pgs 42-45), etc., etc... ````````````````````````````````````````` Child of Elizabeth COLEMAN and Andrew READ: Coleman READ, d: 1748, Westmoreland County. His will, dated 01 MAR 1747/48 and probated 26 APR 1748, mentions his sons Joseph and Richard; wife Ruth; daughters Mary and Susannah who "are to live with my son Richard as long as they remain single"; grandchildren Coleman BROWN, Coleman DUNKIN, "my grandson Hutt", Ruth ASBURY and Elizabeth READ [to each a negro]; wife Ruth and son Richard, exrs. (D&W 1747-53, pg 4ff). His spouse, Ruth BRAGG READ, d: 1768, Westmoreland Co. Her will, dated 04 OCT 1768 and probated 29 NOV 1768, left all her property to daughter Mary READ, and her grandson, Andrew READ (D&W No 15, pg 5). Children of COLEMAN READE and RUTH BRAGG [not HUDSON]: 1. Anne READE ~ Married Thomas ASBURY, etc., etc.... [my line] Andrew Read and Elizabeth COLEMAN were Anne READE ASBURY's grandparents. Andrew first appears in the records of Westmoreland County VA in 1666, when he was granted 800 acres of land apparently a newcomer to the country. And, it is possible that Andrew was the son of Thomas READE who was granted 300 acres of land in Northumberland Co VA in 1653, which he later sold to John Hughlett (Nugent "Cav &Pioneers" pg 280 and 461). 2. Joseph READ ~ appears first in records of Westmoreland on 31 MAY 1733 in a suit before the court (O.B. 1731-39, pg 86), indicating that he was of age and born circa 1710/12. He died in Loudoun Co VA in 1762. Married (1) circa 1738/40 to Henrietta GARLAND Hardwick, widow of James HARDWICK who had died in 1737, and daughter of William GARLAND who died in 1713, and his wife, Henrietta, widow of Francis RANDOLPH, who died in 1704 (Fothergill, pg 103, 50 and 38; Records and Inventory 1723-46, pg 269a). Joseph married (2) before 30 JUL 1747, to Barbara WALKER ~ daughter of George WALKER and Frances (?) HARDWICK, etc., etc. 3. Elizabeth READ(E) married Thomas BROWN, son of Thomas BROWN and Elizabeth THORNTON [connected to my THORNTONs]. Her name is shown to be Elizabeth by a deed in Westmoreland Co dated 23 SEP 1743 from her and her husband to her father, Coleman READ. Her son, Coleman BROWN, mentioned as a grandson in Coleman READ's will. NOTE: This is the same Thomas BROWN and Elizabeth THORNTON who had a daughter Elizabeth marry into the COLEMAN + SPILSBY family.... and THORNTONs merged with the REDMANs 4. Rebecca READ, db: 20 OCT 1766 ~ Married Henry DUNCAN ~ son, Coleman DUNCAN mentioned in Coleman READ's will. Henry DUNCAN, son of Charles DUNCAN, who died 1712, Westmoreland Co. (Fothergill, pg 46), and his wife Frances, who later married (2) Unknown GRACE.... etc., etc...... 5. Lettice 'Lucy' READ, married Thomas HUTT and mother of the "grandson Hutt" mentioned in Coleman READ's will. Her husband, the son of Gerrard HUTT and Anne HULL; grandson of Daniel HUTT and Temperance GERRARD, and of Augustine HULL and Anne STURMAN; and g-grandson of Dr. Thomas GERRARD and Susannah UNKNOWN, and of Thomas and Anne STURMAN, early settlers of Maryland who moved to Westmoreland Co VA about 1650 (Fothergill, pg 109; WM (1) Volumn IV, pg 36ff, pg 83; Deeds &Wills No 2, 1691-99, pg 137a; D&W No 5, 1712-16, pg 109).... etc., etc..... 6. Mary READ d: 1772, Westmoreland Co. Her will, dated 21 JAN 1772 and probated 31 MAR 1772, mentions sister Anne ASBURY, niece Barbara HUTT, nephew Andrew READ and his son Joseph, and brother Richard READ ( Deeds &Wills No 15, pg 180). Married [probably late in life] to... can't find right now. 7. Susannah READ, unmarried when her father wrote his will in 1748 ~ not mentioned in the wills of her mother Ruth READ or her sister Mary READ. Susannah READ married after 1748, to George WHITE ~ Known Son: Captain William WHITE who married Bethia LYNE ~ Daughter of Thomas Lyne and Mary Elizabeth Sanford. 8. Richard READ, bc: 1720/25 ~ old enough to be witness for his father in a suit in 1744 (O.B. 1743-1746/7, pg 28). He appears in deeds, etc., of Richmond county in 1754, 1764 and 1765, his wife, Elizabeth (Rec. and Inv. No 3, 1752/56, pg 33; D&W No 14, 1761-68, pgs 260 and 263; Rec :& Inv No 4, 1756-67, pg 212). Richard left no will, but was apparently the father of Richard READ or REED, b: 29 JUL 1767, who married 22 SEP 1794 to Elizabeth WASHINGTON, b: 22 NOV 1769, daughter of Thomas WASHINGTON and Anne MUSE, and had the following children: (1) John REED, b: 30 SEP 1795, married 28 NOV 1822 to Kitty M. KELLEY and left issue; (2) Lucinda REED, b: 11 DEC 1797 ~ d: 15 AUG 1802; (3) Richard Henry Washington REED, b: 04 APR 1800; (4) Anne Muse REED, b: 11 MAY 1802; (5) Joseph Bailey REED, b: 02 NOV 1804 married 19 DEC 1826 to Elizabeth ASBURY, b: 1811 ~ d: 1852 ~ Daughter of William ASBURY and Mary MUSE of Richmond County, and granddaughter of Henry ASBURY, son of Thomas ASBURY and Anne READE; (6) Bushrod Washington REED, b: 04 APR 1807 ~ d: 08 NOV 1875 married 25 JAN 1842 to Mary Louisa PILES, b: 1824 ~ d: 1881 (VM 53, pg 317). NOTE the differences in the spelling of READ... all same family. HELP! PLEASE! Annie