John, your tact is remarkable, are Karen and I third persons on the fringe of your present excursion into the various families that we may work on, such as the Cunningham's. I have no problem with taking shots head on so long as it is constructive. Can't you merely ask me why I don't have the Kelso-Daniel information posted? Karen can speak for herself, she may not be as fragile as I am. <grin> Ticked in Tampa, Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 11:45 AM Subject: [DANIEL-L] The CUNNINGHAMS of Cub Creek, PA > Good Morning, > Since we have been bouncing back and forth between various DANIEL > bunches from Virginia and Eastern NC, I thought I would throw this out on > the table for discussion... > Last evening I spent a considerable amount of time going through List > Member, Karen COTTER's, description of the CUNNINHAMS of Cub Creek, PA. > Some of her information was very familiar, some of it corrected some > information I already had on this family and some of it really confused me. > I cannot tell you -- this information was Greek to me or that some of it > did not tie into my overall bunch, it did. However, some of it seemed to > tie to families that made no sense to me, whatsoever. > Take for instance the Peter COFFEE family. We know some of the children > of Peter COFFEE married into the family of Thomas DANIEL and Sarah BURNEY. > We also know where the BURNEYS were from (Craven County, NC) and what DANIEL > family they seem to connect to -- the T&E bunch. > So, what was Karen doing with Peter COFFEE amongst her Cub Creek, PA > CUNNINGHAM bunch. This made no sense to me. However, the profile of her > CUNNINGHAM bunch matches, perfectly, with the children of Charles DANIEL > (1773-1803) and Elizabeth COFFEE. This begs the questions -- if she married > Charles DANIEL, was he really a son of Thomas DANIEL and Sarah BURNEY? > I have no compunctions about making Charles's father, Thomas DANIEL, a > Virginia DANIEL but Thomas is not even a name in that bunch nor was he even > mentioned in her material. She had all of the DANIEL boys who married into > her CUNNINGHAM bunch in Greene County, GA, as well as their parents, James > DANIEL and Jean KELSO, but little, if anything, about this COFFEE > connection. As most know, they say that James DANIEL was a son of John > DANIEL III and Ann BATES of York County, VA but I get the feeling this is > all wrong. I also checked to see if Payne had anything new on this > Kelso-Daniel bunch and his information was so new, he did not even have them > listed anywhere on his website, that I could find. <grin> I think he used > to have them linked to the Middlesex DANIEL bunch, the last time I checked. > I also noted her link to the COLBERTS, a name close to my bunch. She > even has ties between her bunch and the WINGFIELDS and I know where that > bunch was from - New Kent County, VA. However, the BURNEYS and the > WINGFIELDS were also close. She even has the CARLTONS in this bunch but the > Morgan County, GA CARLTON family was from Duplin County, NC but before that, > they were from PA -- Chester County, PA. > I just do not know about her material as to whether this information is > accurate or she is confusing persons of the same name with those of an > identical name but were from somewhere else. We know where the Simon > BURNEYS were from -- Carven County, NC. However, the COFFEES would have > probably run across the CUNNINGAMS since they both lived in PE County, VA at > one point. > The one thing I know about this total bunch, it smells of "Irish green" > all over the place, including the COFFEES. I just do not know about some > of her information nor some of the conflicts I see in some of it. > The one thing I feel is -- if these DANIEL boys married that heavily > into her CUNNINGHAM family in Greene County, GA then you can bet their > parents, James DANIEL and Jean KELSO, probably followed them all the way > from Ireland or James had parents who were from the same area in Ireland. > In fact, her Samuel CUNNINGHAM married Jean KELSO after his wife died and > her husband died. That, to me, is a very close family. > The one thing that really caught my eye was the James CUNNINGHAM who > Karen says was an early merchant in Madison, Morgan County, GA, a profession > my RICHTER bunch was also in during a slightly later time frame, also in > Madison. I also know this Jimmy CUNNINGHAM was also listed with Henry > CARLTON in a horse racing endeavor in Madison in 1809 and the CARLTONS were > also listed as being with her Cub Creek CUNNINGHAM bunch. > Henry CARLTON's daughter, Lucy, also married a James Harris PONDER, Sr. > (1786-1864) and he was the GGF of Lucille PONDER (1895-1973) who married my > father, as his first wife. Henry's brother, John K. CARLTON married an > ALDERMAN and they moved to Thomasville, Thomas County, GA. Their grand > daughter, Edna Sophronia CHASTAIN, married Russell R. RENEAU (1832-1862) in > 1855 in Thomasville and his sister, Mary Jane RENEAU, my GGM, married my > GGF, Robert W. DANIEL in 1852 in Jefferson County, GA and their daughter, > Alice E. DANIEL (1854-1924) married my grandfather, John C. RICHTER, Sr. in > 1872 in Madison, GA. A Round-Robin, I do not know.... > What I do know is there is not a Robert or Thomas DANIEL anywhere in > sight in this Cunningham-Daniel bunch of Greene County, GA, although they > match most of these DANIELS, financially, to a tee. I also do not know > whether this may be a DANIEL cross-line or not. > What I do know is -- a lot of collateral links she carries do not make > sense to me -or- they make what I have, not make sense. I do not know which > is correct. You can bet I will take a much closer look at her information. > If anyone wants a copy of her information drop me a private note and I will > send you a MS Word Document which contains her Cunningham information. > Make sure you have MS Word on your computer because you can not view it, > otherwise........... > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net >