Mike: I believe this Thomas was a brother of Charles DANIEL as stated in the History of NC Baptists when referring to Halifax County churches Anne: Looks like we have the same church denomination... and that alone means something. I hate to be a drag, but could you please write out what the "History of NC Baptists" reported exactly and especially what were the dates? Nothing to do with this situation, but, I still remember reading in an old book [published in Texas some years ago] about from where Asbury DANIEL supposedly came. It stated Asbury was most probably a son of a John DANIEL and had Asbury trailed off into unknown outer space, while in reality, he was a son of Henning DANIEL and his Hannah ASBURY. Mike: Col William HORN (of the Falls of Tar River church) coming to the defense of his view got into a heated argument with Elder Thomas DANIEL, who had suceeded his brother, Rev. Charles DANIEL, as pastor of the church at Lower Fishing Creek. Anne: [Lower] Fishing Creek... same area mentioned in that deed transaction I earlier posted. But, what were the dates of this above occurance? Mike: I note also that Thomas & Edmund and Charles' wife Amy witnessed the 1764 will of Susannah Reed, formerly Susannah WEST (widow of Henry WEST) and Charles was executor of the will. Anne: Well, Reed [READE] is certainly a name associated with my ASBURYs. Where did the above take place? There was also an Edmund DANIEL who married an Alice [surname doesn't come to me at the moment ~ the couple was mentioned briefly in the Louise Pecquet du Bellet's books, pub 1907] and I seem to recall it was in the Halifax NC area. This Edmund died before his Alice... my cousin and I have tried our very best to make some kind of connection... and it just wasn't there. Then, we had thought, just maybe, our Edmund was their son, all this after our Edmund was "dismissed" from the Wm DANIEL + Elizabeth COLEMAN family.... he didn't work either. Mike: So I guess the question is were there two Thomases or one Thomas that married both ladies (RANDLE &BURNEY) Anne: Mike, It still isn't "set" in my brain as to when the Thomas DANIEL who married the BURNEY lady occurred, or where. And, from your note, I'm guessing it was in Halifax County? If he were a son of Charles, then he would not have been a contemporary of my Edmund DANIEL + TEMBTE... and then maybe Charles just also named a son Thomas and he was the one that married the BURNEY lady. Who did Charles DANIEL marry... Amy who? I'm certainly willing to accept and bend about most anything if true facts are presented.... but, I don't like new "assignments" without solid backup... who does around here? Believe me, it's difficult to change one's ancestry after having certain names drilled into your memory from childhood by your parents and grandparents... especially when they were born in the 1800s... nearer to the time of events. But, mistakes do happen... usually minor though. Thanks Mike for your post and I'm sure we will work it all out. Anne

Anne, You asked a question -- were there two Thomas DANIELS in Greene County, GA. My thoughts, exactly. Did you go through all of those deeds I posted last week as relates to Augusta County, VA? If you did, then I am sure you saw all of the REEDS listed in them. I felt the REED and McDONALD/DONELLY deeds were a different DANIEL related family than the other deeds listed with the other McDONALD/DONELLY family. I never could get a good grasp on either of these families, picture wise, but I think one or both of them came from PA. As for the name, Charles DANIEL. Like you, I think VA but probably unlike you I still think they were probably a part of the Coffee-Daniel-Cunningham bunch that migrated into Greene County, GA. Thomas was a big name in the Cunningham's, as was Samuel. I cannot figure out where the Charles name came from but I know it was not a eastern NC name -- where the BURNEYS were from, nor was it a IOW DANIEL name. Also, both William Coffee DANIEL and Smith Coffee DANIEL, sons of Charles DANIEL and Elizabeth COFFEE of Greene County, GA met the financial profile of the CUNNINGHAMS to a tee. WCD owned property all over the place, including a plantation named, Oglethorpe, in Burke County, GA. SCD was a real shaker and mover over in the Claiborne County, MS area and of a similar statue. Mrs. Elizabeth Coffee DANIEL died in Claiborne County, MS and was then living with her son, SCD. I think you may also be right -- one, maybe two DANIEL families in Greene County, GA may have been cobbled together. The BURNEYS are a hard bunch to track. In Madison, (Morgan County) they are both Baptist and Methodist which makes one wonder whether they really one family or two separate and distinct families. I do not have a good handle on them and I should. Sam BURNEY was a Baptist preacher but others are listed as Methodist. Sam is also a big CUNNINHAM name. Maybe I need to see what I can find on this bunch from one of my people on my Morgan County, GA list. It may give some better insight on this bunch. I know there is only one CUNNINGHAM family left in Madison. A CUNNINGHAM boy runs the nice restaurant on the square in Madison. I talked to him several years ago over a cup of coffee and he told me they, like my RICHTERS, no longer lived in Madison, except for him. However, a James CUNNINHGAM was one of the first merchants in Madison, GA so there is more than a casual connection between Morgan County, GA and Greene County, GA, as relates to this family. Remember also that the RICHTERS were also merchants, as were the FITZPATRICKS. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: <JetPilotUSAF100@cs.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:17 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] DANIEL ~ RANDLE, MURDEN ~ ASBURY > > Mike: I believe this Thomas was a brother of Charles DANIEL as stated in the > History of NC Baptists when referring to Halifax County churches > > Anne: Looks like we have the same church denomination... and that alone > means something. I hate to be a drag, but could you please write out what the > "History of NC Baptists" reported exactly and especially what were the dates? > > Nothing to do with this situation, but, I still remember reading in an old > book [published in Texas some years ago] about from where Asbury DANIEL > supposedly came. It stated Asbury was most probably a son of a John DANIEL and had > Asbury trailed off into unknown outer space, while in reality, he was a son of > Henning DANIEL and his Hannah ASBURY. > > Mike: Col William HORN (of the Falls of Tar River church) coming to the > defense of his view got into a heated argument with Elder Thomas DANIEL, who had > suceeded his brother, Rev. Charles DANIEL, as pastor of the church at Lower > Fishing Creek. > > Anne: [Lower] Fishing Creek... same area mentioned in that deed transaction > I earlier posted. But, what were the dates of this above occurance? > > Mike: I note also that Thomas & Edmund and Charles' wife Amy witnessed the > 1764 > will of Susannah Reed, formerly Susannah WEST (widow of Henry WEST) and > Charles was executor of the will. > > Anne: Well, Reed [READE] is certainly a name associated with my ASBURYs. > Where did the above take place? There was also an Edmund DANIEL who married an > Alice [surname doesn't come to me at the moment ~ the couple was mentioned > briefly in the Louise Pecquet du Bellet's books, pub 1907] and I seem to recall > it was in the Halifax NC area. This Edmund died before his Alice... my cousin > and I have tried our very best to make some kind of connection... and it just > wasn't there. Then, we had thought, just maybe, our Edmund was their son, all > this after our Edmund was "dismissed" from the Wm DANIEL + Elizabeth COLEMAN > family.... he didn't work either. > > Mike: So I guess the question is were there two Thomases or one Thomas that > married both ladies (RANDLE &BURNEY) > > Anne: Mike, It still isn't "set" in my brain as to when the Thomas DANIEL > who married the BURNEY lady occurred, or where. And, from your note, I'm > guessing it was in Halifax County? If he were a son of Charles, then he would not > have been a contemporary of my Edmund DANIEL + TEMBTE... and then maybe Charles > just also named a son Thomas and he was the one that married the BURNEY lady. > Who did Charles DANIEL marry... Amy who? > > I'm certainly willing to accept and bend about most anything if true facts > are presented.... but, I don't like new "assignments" without solid backup... > who does around here? Believe me, it's difficult to change one's ancestry after > having certain names drilled into your memory from childhood by your parents > and grandparents... especially when they were born in the 1800s... nearer to > the time of events. But, mistakes do happen... usually minor though. > > Thanks Mike for your post and I'm sure we will work it all out. Anne > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not allowed on this list. > >

Down in my neck of the woods now... John Clark said: "Also, both William Coffee DANIEL and Smith Coffee DANIEL, sons of Charles DANIEL and Elizabeth COFFEE of Greene County, GA met the financial profile of the CUNNINGHAMS to a tee. WCD owned property all over the place, including a plantation named, Oglethorpe, in Burke County, GA. SCD was a real shaker and mover over in the Claiborne County, MS area and of a similar statue. Mrs. Elizabeth Coffee DANIEL died in Claiborne County, MS and was then living with her son, SCD." My Tennessee Daniel line (NOT related) came to Claiborne Co in 1851, after Smith Coffee Daniell. My father & grandfather were born there near Port Gibson. The Windsor home built by Smith Coffee Daniell was probably the finest home ever built in Claiborne County to this day. So fine that even the descendants of slaves who worked there take pride in having been there. People in Mississippi are proud of their heritage. My Harrell uncle kept a record of the birth of his slaves in his family Bible. This is a short extract from a very astute Negro lady who is a correspondent of mine: "With the help of another genealogy buff in my family, I have been able to crack the 1870 barrier. (I'll just outline the facts.) My family has a documented Windsor connection: My great-grandfather's grandparents, slaves, accompanied Frisby Freeland from Maryland to Mississippi. As slaves, they then passed to Frisby's son, Thomas Freeland. Thomas then passed them and their children (including my great grandfather's parents) down to Catherine Freeland who was married to Smith Coffee Daniel. So now, I understand why my great-grandfather came to name one of his sons Smith Daniel. It would also appear that this lends credence to the stories that came down from my great grandmother that she knew Windsor as a child because her mother worked in the kitchen. I suspect that Windsor may be where she met her future husband. Her parents had Paine and Wilkins as surnames. That will be the next search. Wish me luck. I also recently learned information about relative in Tippah (now Benton) County and followed him back through the diaries of the slaveowner Francis Terry Leak (held in the Southern History Collection at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and available on microfilm). I think it would be useful to now look for similar material from any of the Freelands and Daniels." Meanwhile, my direct ancestor H.P.K. Daniel worked as an overseer for his brother-in-law Wilford D. Boren. After Emancipation, some former slaves took the names of their owners, but many did not. We do find black Daniel and Boren families in the 1880 Claiborne Co census and consider this a sign of respect. All of us, black and white, are interested in finding out more about our families. We have more in common with each other than people from other parts of the country would ever understand. Despite what you may have heard about Mississippi, it is a very friendly place. Respectfully, Clay Daniels

Clay, I have one WINDSOR connection in my bunch. Susan WINDSOR b. ABT 1837, d/o Alfred Higgason WINDSOR and Mary H. BOWMAN of Bibb County, GA, formerly of Rockingham and Caswell County, NC, married David Anderson WALTON (1830-1872) of Bolingbroke, Bibb County, GA. He was the son of Henry Wyche WALTON and Louisiana Peterson REDDING of Bolingbroke, Bibb County, GA. Henry was the son of David WALTON and Rebecca WYCHE of Limestone County, AL, formerly, Greenville County, VA. This is the Isaac Rowe WALTON line of Brunswick County, VA. Sallie WALTON (1871-1899) married Charles Woodruff RICHTER, Sr. of Madison, GA on 18 Nov 1889 in Bolingbroke, Bibb County, Ga. Charles W. RICHTER, Sr. (1868-1950), my first cousin,once removed, was a nephew of my grandfather, John RICHTER who married Alice DANIEL in 1872 -- all were of Madison, GA. I know there were some WINDSORS from over around Augusta, GA, early, but do not know the exact details on them - Columbia County, GA, I think. My information say that the parents of Alfred H. WINDSOR were John Higgason WINDSOR, Sr. (1772-ABt 1780) and Susannah HORNBUCKLE of Rockingham County, North Carolina. Rebecca WYCHE was the d/o of Henry WYCHE and Frances BREWER of Greensville County, VA. This is part of the Peter WYCHE and Alice SCOTT family of Brunswick County, VA. County, NC, John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clay Daniels" <clay_1@airmail.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 6:30 AM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Re: Claiborne County Mississippi > Down in my neck of the woods now... > > John Clark said: "Also, both William Coffee DANIEL and Smith Coffee DANIEL, > sons of Charles DANIEL and Elizabeth COFFEE of Greene County, GA met the > financial profile of the CUNNINGHAMS to a tee. WCD owned property all over > the place, including a plantation named, Oglethorpe, in Burke County, GA. > SCD was a real shaker and mover over in the Claiborne County, MS area and of > a similar statue. Mrs. Elizabeth Coffee DANIEL died in Claiborne County, MS > and was then living with her son, SCD." > > My Tennessee Daniel line (NOT related) came to Claiborne Co in 1851, after > Smith Coffee Daniell. My father & grandfather were born there near Port > Gibson. The Windsor home built by Smith Coffee Daniell was probably the > finest home ever built in Claiborne County to this day. So fine that even > the descendants of slaves who worked there take pride in having been there. > People in Mississippi are proud of their heritage. My Harrell uncle kept a > record of the birth of his slaves in his family Bible. This is a short > extract from a very astute Negro lady who is a correspondent of mine: > > "With the help of another genealogy buff in my family, I have been able to > crack the 1870 barrier. (I'll just outline the facts.) My family has a > documented Windsor connection: My great-grandfather's grandparents, slaves, > accompanied Frisby Freeland from Maryland to Mississippi. As slaves, they > then passed to Frisby's son, Thomas Freeland. Thomas then passed them and > their children (including my great grandfather's parents) down to Catherine > Freeland who was married to Smith Coffee Daniel. So now, I understand why > my great-grandfather came to name one of his sons Smith Daniel. It would > also appear that this lends credence to the stories that came down from my > great grandmother that she knew Windsor as a child because her mother worked > in the kitchen. I suspect that Windsor may be where she met her future > husband. Her parents had Paine and Wilkins as surnames. That will be the > next search. Wish me luck. > > I also recently learned information about relative in Tippah (now Benton) > County and followed him back through the diaries of the slaveowner Francis > Terry Leak (held in the Southern History Collection at the University of > North Carolina at Chapel Hill and available on microfilm). I think it would > be useful to now look for similar material from any of the Freelands and > Daniels." > > Meanwhile, my direct ancestor H.P.K. Daniel worked as an overseer for his > brother-in-law Wilford D. Boren. After Emancipation, some former slaves took > the names of their owners, but many did not. We do find black Daniel and > Boren families in the 1880 Claiborne Co census and consider this a sign of > respect. All of us, black and white, are interested in finding out more > about our families. We have more in common with each other than people from > other parts of the country would ever understand. Despite what you may have > heard about Mississippi, it is a very friendly place. > > Respectfully, > Clay Daniels > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not allowed on this list. > >

Anne, This really caught my attention in your post - "Louise Pecquet" I assume you know the PICQUET family was of Charleston and Augusta and were tied to a lot of these families, including mine. One of the PICQUET boys from Augusta went to Franklin College (UGA) with Young STOKES of Madison, GA in the 1840's. So did one of the NISBET boys and a NISBET founded the Athens Banner newspaper. The STOKES were from Lunenburg County, Virginia and the NISBETS were from NC, at some point. A lot of New Englanders and Atlantic Seaboard types in this line. Cecile E. PICQUET, born Augusta, daughter of Admiral Antoine de la Motte PICQUET and Caroline Emily CATTONET of Charleston married Henry Walker CARR of Charleston in 1857. Henry was a great-grandson of the Hon. Dabney CARR, Esq. and Martha JEFFERSON, sister to Tommy, of Charlottesville, VA. Henry and Cecile's son, Charles Daniel CARR, Esq. (1861-1932) married Mary Louise MUSTIN, d/o Milton Anthony MUSTIN, Esq. (1834-1924) and Anna Maria RICHTER (1836-1926) of Madison, GA. Henry was a shaker and mover in Augusta, as were the MUSTINS -- they all lived "on the hill" in Augusta. The MUSTINS were of Davenport, England and were big merchants in Augusta. Anna Maria was my grand aunt and her younger brother, John C. RICHTER (my grandparents) married Alice E. DANIEL in 1872, so this PICQUET family was probably pretty close, in obscure some way, to my DANIEL bunch, because Mary Louise MUSTIN was a niece of John C. RICHTER, Sr and Alice DANIEL. I also know for a fact that Charles CARR, a well-known attorney in Augusta, came to his Uncle John's funeral in Madison in 1907, so they were probably a little closer than I know about. In fact, Charles CARR was so well respected in the RICHTER family that two cousins in the HUNTER family of Oglethorpe County, GA were given the CARR middle name -- Louis Carr COLE and Mary Carr COLE of Lexington, Oglethorpe County, GA. Their father, Louis Dugas COLE (1873-1905) descended from the well known DUGAS family of Washington, Wilkes County, GA. The grandmother of these COLE kids was a RICHTER, another Grand Aunt, and she had married Col. Nathaniel Harrison HUNTER of Stephens, Oglethorpe County, GA and they were the parents of Sarah Richter HUNTER who married Louis D. COLE as her first husband. After his death, she married James Gould JEFFERIES of Augusta. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: <JetPilotUSAF100@cs.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:17 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] DANIEL ~ RANDLE, MURDEN ~ ASBURY > > Mike: I believe this Thomas was a brother of Charles DANIEL as stated in the > History of NC Baptists when referring to Halifax County churches > > Anne: Looks like we have the same church denomination... and that alone > means something. I hate to be a drag, but could you please write out what the > "History of NC Baptists" reported exactly and especially what were the dates? > > Nothing to do with this situation, but, I still remember reading in an old > book [published in Texas some years ago] about from where Asbury DANIEL > supposedly came. It stated Asbury was most probably a son of a John DANIEL and had > Asbury trailed off into unknown outer space, while in reality, he was a son of > Henning DANIEL and his Hannah ASBURY. > > Mike: Col William HORN (of the Falls of Tar River church) coming to the > defense of his view got into a heated argument with Elder Thomas DANIEL, who had > suceeded his brother, Rev. Charles DANIEL, as pastor of the church at Lower > Fishing Creek. > > Anne: [Lower] Fishing Creek... same area mentioned in that deed transaction > I earlier posted. But, what were the dates of this above occurance? > > Mike: I note also that Thomas & Edmund and Charles' wife Amy witnessed the > 1764 > will of Susannah Reed, formerly Susannah WEST (widow of Henry WEST) and > Charles was executor of the will. > > Anne: Well, Reed [READE] is certainly a name associated with my ASBURYs. > Where did the above take place? There was also an Edmund DANIEL who married an > Alice [surname doesn't come to me at the moment ~ the couple was mentioned > briefly in the Louise Pecquet du Bellet's books, pub 1907] and I seem to recall > it was in the Halifax NC area. This Edmund died before his Alice... my cousin > and I have tried our very best to make some kind of connection... and it just > wasn't there. Then, we had thought, just maybe, our Edmund was their son, all > this after our Edmund was "dismissed" from the Wm DANIEL + Elizabeth COLEMAN > family.... he didn't work either. > > Mike: So I guess the question is were there two Thomases or one Thomas that > married both ladies (RANDLE &BURNEY) > > Anne: Mike, It still isn't "set" in my brain as to when the Thomas DANIEL > who married the BURNEY lady occurred, or where. And, from your note, I'm > guessing it was in Halifax County? If he were a son of Charles, then he would not > have been a contemporary of my Edmund DANIEL + TEMBTE... and then maybe Charles > just also named a son Thomas and he was the one that married the BURNEY lady. > Who did Charles DANIEL marry... Amy who? > > I'm certainly willing to accept and bend about most anything if true facts > are presented.... but, I don't like new "assignments" without solid backup... > who does around here? Believe me, it's difficult to change one's ancestry after > having certain names drilled into your memory from childhood by your parents > and grandparents... especially when they were born in the 1800s... nearer to > the time of events. But, mistakes do happen... usually minor though. > > Thanks Mike for your post and I'm sure we will work it all out. Anne > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not allowed on this list. > >