Oh, Gloria, I can understand your frustration about strong, verbal family history, and believe me, I am not saying it isn't true. I have had some of both come up in my research. I came on-List in early 2001, then was off-line about nine or ten months during 2002 and have been back on-List for about nine months, and may have missed some of background on things I am seeing now, and I am not sure what your "line" is, or what Jack's comment about your line being that "Liberty" County group means. Is that Liberty Co., GA formed 1777? If so, then I doubt if we have a connection, since my DANIEL line and their collateral lines came into the N/E Parishes and counties, and did get down any further down than Baldwin Co., if at all, until way, way up in the late 1800s even.. In the case of my DANIEL line in TX, "Liberty" has been an established town in southeast Texas (Coushatta Indian territory) since way back in the Spanish rule days. It has been said (and continues to be argued about) that the "Lone Star" flag of Texas was designed there after the Battle of Santa Anna and that Sam Houston approved the design there. When the county of Montgomery was formed it spread over a great deal of south east Texas (about one-fifth or one-sixth the size of the current State of Texas and was/is known as the "Piney Woods', very reminiscent of the landscape of much of GA.), much of the original county designated to be for the families Stephen F. Austin was to and did bring to colonize Texas. Liberty the town, or pueblo, became the capitol of the county, and still is of the now greatly reduced in size Montgomery county. Old Spanish land grants will, no doubt, confirm Sherlene's ancestor, Capt. CHERRY (deCHERIE) to be an even earlier settler than the Austin "300". I am NOT, by any means, any kind of expert on Huguenot or "French" Huguenot immigrants, except from my own research, in which I learned that Huguenot is a corrupted French word for all religiously persecuted Protestant citizens of France and neighboring areas, who over a period of about a hundred years, fled France to other countries, such as Holland, Belgium, Germany, Norway and many to England, Ireland, and Scotland, where they had commerce or trade connections. Some stayed where they went, others stayed a generation or two, then immigrated, and I suppose some came early on directly from France. I don't remember the time frame of the siege of Savannah, but if your Josephus/Joseph deserted or jumped ship (probably with good reason!!) he may have, like many Prussian soldiers during the Rev War in substantially German settled PA, simply changed his name - or not, married and stayed on. I know this is not much help, and Jack is probably much more conversant on this subject than I, but I do know my documented Manakin Town, VA "French" Huguenot lines that are collateral ancestors to this 1786 b.GA Thomas Daniel line are Pierre (Peter) DAVID and Peter RUCKER (do we hear German or Dutch ancestry here?), both of which lines had descendants who came down into GA (some through NC and SC) in the late 1700s and early 1800s - before or when they married into my direct DANIEL line (as well as my direct FAULKNER line), along with ALMAND/ALMON, USSERY, TINSLEY, VERNON, and others they picked up along the way. John's SOBLETS/SUBLETTES and CHASTAINS were among the same group as my DAVIDS and RUCKERS in the Manakin Town group who petitioned the Burgesses in the early 1700s for naturalization (which was granted by an Act of the Burgesses/Legislature), his FARRARS in an earlier group in that same area. Comments, corrections? Jack? Anyone? Anne

Anne, I do not think a lot of the folks that came to GA from eastern NC or VA after the RW did so in the 1770 time frame, which is a time frame a lot of people like to say was when their ancestors first got to GA. The major migration period to GA started about 1785 and lasted until about 1815 - a period of about 30 years. Most RS land grants to soldiers who served GA units were not made until ABT the 1790-1800 time frame. Those RS who served other states generally came later (AFT 1805) and one had a three year residency requirement for these lotteries, as I remember. Also, not too many folks moved directly to Liberty County, GA. About the only folks down in that area of GA were the descendants of persons who came over to GA with Oglethorpe in 1733, or those involved in some type of seaborne commerce because Liberty County, GA is right on the coast. I went by Midway Church many times as a boy on the way to Savannah so I know, well where it is. Generally, everybody that came to GA from another state settled, initially, in the Richmond, Washington, Burke and Effingham County areas or Jefferson, Bulloch or Screven County areas after they were created. They did this so they could politick the legislature and governor in Louisville and later in Milledgeville for their RS land grants. Getting a land grant back then, even for a soldiers who served GA during the RW, was like doing business, these days, with any state or federal bureaucracy - lots of paper work with lots of T's to cross and I's to dot. As you probably know, this took time, lots of it and families had to live and survive during this bureaucratic process so they had to have a place to live. What one must not forget were the two basic avenues of entry into GA after the RW. They were via Savannah and Augusta. Those who came to GA via of a ship, usually landed in Savannah and moved inland from there, usually up the Savannah River to Augusta. Those who came down from NC or VA, as was the case for most of our ancestors, usually entered GA by crossing the Savannah River at Augusta. Other ports of entry were Beaufort, SC and then traveling across southern SC, usually via of Savannah, into GA or landing at Charleston, SC and then hoofing it all the way across SC into GA. Also, in this time frame and even later, the general avenues of entry used by most persons were waterways and the one that got the most traffic in this time frame was the Savannah River which was generally navigable as far north as Augusta. Regardless, this was not an easy migration for these persons and their families because the Interstate highway system was still some 200 years in the future. <grin> This is all in addition to the pestilence they would have to face during their transit through the GA's many malarial infested swamps that always seemed to impede their journey. Nor the frequent Indian attacks they would face well into the 1830's in some rural areas of GA. These were difficult times and were not for the meek or the timid. All you really have to do is look at the first 50 years of Georgia settlement to see how difficult this terrain really was. By 1783, some 50 years after Oglethorpe first landed at Savannah, settlers had barely made it inland 40 or so miles from either Augusta or Savannah. This would change, but it would take time....... John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne W O'Brien" <aobtx@juno.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:07 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Re: Bill and price Daniel -DANIEL-D Digest V03 #476 > Oh, Gloria, I can understand your frustration about strong, verbal family > history, and believe me, I am not saying it isn't true. I have had some > of both come up in my research. I came on-List in early 2001, then was > off-line about nine or ten months during 2002 and have been back on-List > for about nine months, and may have missed some of background on things I > am seeing now, and I am not sure what your "line" is, or what Jack's > comment about your line being that "Liberty" County group means. Is that > Liberty Co., GA formed 1777? If so, then I doubt if we have a connection, > since my DANIEL line and their collateral lines came into the N/E > Parishes and counties, and did get down any further down than Baldwin > Co., if at all, until way, way up in the late 1800s even.. > > In the case of my DANIEL line in TX, "Liberty" has been an established > town in southeast Texas (Coushatta Indian territory) since way back in > the Spanish rule days. It has been said (and continues to be argued > about) that the "Lone Star" flag of Texas was designed there after the > Battle of Santa Anna and that Sam Houston approved the design there. When > the county of Montgomery was formed it spread over a great deal of south > east Texas (about one-fifth or one-sixth the size of the current State of > Texas and was/is known as the "Piney Woods', very reminiscent of the > landscape of much of GA.), much of the original county designated to be > for the families Stephen F. Austin was to and did bring to colonize > Texas. Liberty the town, or pueblo, became the capitol of the county, and > still is of the now greatly reduced in size Montgomery county. Old > Spanish land grants will, no doubt, confirm Sherlene's ancestor, Capt. > CHERRY (deCHERIE) to be an even earlier settler than the Austin "300". > > I am NOT, by any means, any kind of expert on Huguenot or "French" > Huguenot immigrants, except from my own research, in which I learned that > Huguenot is a corrupted French word for all religiously persecuted > Protestant citizens of France and neighboring areas, who over a period of > about a hundred years, fled France to other countries, such as Holland, > Belgium, Germany, Norway and many to England, Ireland, and Scotland, > where they had commerce or trade connections. Some stayed where they > went, others stayed a generation or two, then immigrated, and I suppose > some came early on directly from France. > > I don't remember the time frame of the siege of Savannah, but if your > Josephus/Joseph deserted or jumped ship (probably with good reason!!) he > may have, like many Prussian soldiers during the Rev War in substantially > German settled PA, simply changed his name - or not, married and stayed > on. I know this is not much help, and Jack is probably much more > conversant on this subject than I, but I do know my documented Manakin > Town, VA "French" Huguenot lines that are collateral ancestors to this > 1786 b.GA Thomas Daniel line are Pierre (Peter) DAVID and Peter RUCKER > (do we hear German or Dutch ancestry here?), both of which lines had > descendants who came down into GA (some through NC and SC) in the late > 1700s and early 1800s - before or when they married into my direct DANIEL > line (as well as my direct FAULKNER line), along with ALMAND/ALMON, > USSERY, TINSLEY, VERNON, and others they picked up along the way. John's > SOBLETS/SUBLETTES and CHASTAINS were among the same group as my DAVIDS > and RUCKERS in the Manakin Town group who petitioned the Burgesses in the > early 1700s for naturalization (which was granted by an Act of the > Burgesses/Legislature), his FARRARS in an earlier group in that same > area. > > Comments, corrections? Jack? Anyone? > > Anne > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change the subject of a reply message. > >