Payne, One researcher has Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA married to a Sarah RANDLE and Sarah BURNEY with the kids being shown as the children of Sarah BURNEY. They also have this Thomas the son of William DANIEL and Elizabeth COLEMAN of Caroline County, VA. What a cobbled up line, that is - that is the Bill BREWER line and talk about a mess, that is it..... It almost seems that some, when they cannot put their known ancestor with a specific line, they find the line with the most question marks and "bingo," they have an instant ancestor. <grin> I think there were probably two Thomas DANIELS in Greene County -- one, a part of that Kelso-Daniel line and another from NC. One married a RANDLE and one married a BURNEY. The only possibility is that BURNEY was not BURNEY but BIRNEY and floated out of that Northern VA and Maryland BIRNEY family. I know that part of that family migrated from MD/PA/VA to KY and then back into Northern Alabama. Because of their opposition to slavery they later peddled their way back north to the Washington, DC area. This BIRNEY family is tied to my bunch - the son of General William BIRNEY and Catherine HOFFMAN of Prince Frederick County, MD, Theodore Weld BIRNEY (1854-1897), married my second cousin, Alice Josephine McCLELLAN (1858-1907) in 1892 as her second husband. Her mother was a TATUM and her grandmother a POTTER, a younger sister of my GGM, Anne Eliza POTTER. Alice also married a WHITE from Charleston, SC as her first husband but is most remembered for her latter marriage and name, Alice McClellan BIRNEY.. This was why I made the note about the McCLELLANDS of Augusta County, VA in the note about the McDONALDS, O'DONALDS and DONNELLYS the other day. The spelling of their name was butchered by civil servants, too.. I do not know about this bunch in Greene County, GA. A lot of their links do not make sense but they are tied all over the FITZPATRICKS and any family tied to that bunch has links back to Goochland, Cumberland, Fauquier and even Augusta County, VA. I know I am starting to see a pattern here that makes sense. This Thomas could be a Woodson-Daniel descendant or he could be a part of that Kelso-Daniel bunch. I do not know but I would like to look at the possibility they are all related. This is the simplest solution but that may not be the case. In fact, one of these may be a DONALD, McDONALD, DONALDSON, DONELLY or something along these lines and to make things simple down in Greene County, they just shortened their name to DANIEL. Regardless, they all seem to be of the same financial and educational profiles. If I was going to guess, I would say that one of these Greene County, GA families was out of Lancaster, PA and/or Frederick County, MD area and was originally a McDONALD, DONELLY, O'DONALD or something along those lines, which is why we cannot trace them back as a DANIEL. My bet is McDONALD and the name change occurred around the time of the RW because of the Loyalist McDONALD family. In fact, some of this bunch may have been loyalists and dumped the name and took up DANIEL to keep this association out of subsequent generations. Personally, I never understand why the CUNNINGHAMS kept their name since the "Butcher of SC" was a CUNNINGHAM and these folks in Greene County, GA had to know the hard feelings this name had for many who also migrated from SC to GA in the years after the RW. This may account for the reason the CUNNINGHAMS married "so close" - none of the other folks in the area would have anything to do with them. You know the South, as I do -- hard feelings and family hatreds linger on for years, regardless of how much money you have. <grin> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler Can we have the best of both worlds. That is, Thomas was married to both gals. What stats do you have on the Burney gal and likewise on the Randall gal? Can they co-mingle in a relationship with Thomas? I enjoyed your possibilities and I will keep chewing on this stuff. Thanks to John and Mike for their thoughts on my Peter Daniel delema and to those of you who chipped in on my Marmaduke study. Lunch time ya'll. Payne "The supreme irony of life is that hardly anyone gets out of it alive." -- Robert Heinlein, "Job", 1984 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > Well, Payne, you know how I closely watch family associations in these > DANIEL families and Charles DANIEL (1773-ABT 1800) of Greene County, GA > being a son of Thomas DANIEL and Sarah BURNEY of NC, makes no sense > whatsoever to me, if he married Elizabeth COFFEE, d/o Peter COFFEE. > However, it does make sense if Charles's mother was a RANDLE and Thomas was > a VA DANIEL and not a NC DANIEL, which the BURNEY link seems to imply. > > Also note the many Charleston, SC connections in the family of William > Coffee DANIEL (son of Charles and Elizabeth COFFEE of Greene County, GA) -- > he married a SCREVEN girl whose family was out of Charleston and Charleston > families are a big link in my bunch. Dr. William Coffee DANIEL I am pretty > sure was the GA Senator William DANIEL of Savannah who interceded with the > senate on behalf of the Methodist preacher, whom Judge L. Q. C. LAMAR of > Milledgeville, GA had condemned to death in 1832, only to find out later, he > was innocent. Remember also, that Professor Winfield Montgomery RIVERS, who > married the widow of Robert W. DANIEL (my GGF), was living with Sarah > Williamson Bird LAMAR, Judge LAMAR's widow, in Newton County, GA in 1850. > > As you will note, my DANIEL bunch of Burke, later Jefferson County, GA > matches the profile of this bunch from Greene County, GA to a tee and one of > this Thomas and Sarah's kids of Greene County, GA were the > great-grandparents of a girl, Mary Lou HUNTER, who married directly into my > RICHTER family in Madison, through the RALLS (also a VA family), COLEMANS > and DANIEL of Greensboro, Greene County, GA. So, I am already connected to > this DANIEL bunch in Greene County, GA in one way but tis the other that > interests me..... > > My bet is that my family of Burke County, GA is related in some way to these > Greene County, GA folks, either through Thomas and Sarah or through the > CUNNINGHAM-DANIEL bunch. However, it could be a class thing and not a > family thing. > > However, there is a pretty good possibility that my bunch had links to the > Upper Neck area of VA, maybe even Augusta County, VA, which may explain the > RENEAU connection in this family. Also, Robert DANIELL's "O'DANIEL family > of Fairfax County, VA" seems to be the only DANIEL related family that has > links to both the names, ERWIN, TAYLOR and WISE, that I need for my bunch in > Burke County, GA to fly. We also know this O'DANIEL family was from Fairfax > County, VA, met the profile of my bunch and probably had many links into the > Upper Neck area of VA. They later migrated down to GA through NC and my > DANIEL or DANIELL bunch may well be a part of this migration but we cannot > find the name, Robert, in this bunch. > > I think the answer to my bunch may be in correcting the DANIEL families of > Greene County, GA - both of them. I think they are cobbled up, as they now > stand, primarily because they do not make sense. > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 9:33 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > > > Yes I noticed. I remain interested in the Randle and Burney connections and > the will you mentioned. > > Payne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 6:37 PM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > > > > Payne, > > Did you happen to notice the given name, Charles, all over that > DONELLY, > > McDONALD and other DANIEL related information from Upper Neck and Augusta > > County, VA which I posted, yesterday? > > I am still trying to figure out who this DONELLY bunch was but I know > > they are all over the LEWIS, CAMPBELL and CROW families of that area, a > lot > > of which later migrated into the OH territory. From what I do know, this > > bunch migrated from Scotland to Ireland and then to Botetourt County, VA, > > later Augusta County, VA. I would almost bet this DONELLY, or O'DONALD as > > they are sometimes referred to in these civil records, came with them, > > before or after. > > This DONELLY, O'DONALD or McDONALD family I think had links to the > > Lancaster County, PA area or had ties to that area. I also think there is > a > > good possibility they were probably tied in some way to that BOONES and > > BRYAN bunch from that same general area. > > The reason I ask about the name, Charles, is Charles is not a given > name > > in any of the families I know which later migrated into Greene and Wilkes > > County, GA. I cannot say these families in Augusta County, VA are around > > the CUNNINGHAMS of that area but they sure were in the same general area, > at > > one point, and we know that bunch later migrated south into VA from PA. > > I want to see that will of Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA, that > > confirms the Charles DANIEL (1773-1803) who married Elizabeth COFFEE, was > a > > son of Thomas DANIEL and Sarah BURNEY of Greene County, GA if someone has > > it. The given name, Charles, just does not fit this family nor does a link > > to the COFFEES. > > The reason I say it does not fit is -- (1) These VA families tended to > > marry only into what were, once, VA families (2) These families married > all > > over each other -- cousins married cousins. > > For Peter COFFEE to let his daughter break with tradition and marry > into > > a NC family does not match their profile at all, unless Thomas DANIEL was > > out of this same DANIEL line that came south with them and the CUNNINHJAMS > > from VA....... > > If the latter, then I think Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA was > > really married to a Sarah RANDLE, something that others have reported > > because the RANDLE name is all over this bunch, later. If later, then > > possibly, earlier, too........ > > For what it is worth, I think the COFFEE/COFFEY family followed the > > CUNNINGHAMS from Ireland to PA, then to PE County, VA and finally to > Wilkes > > and Greene County, GA. The HEARDS and even the FITZPATRICKS may have been > a > > part of this group, too. > > > > <<<< > > IE: > > > > Page 25.--26th February, 1762. Francis Tyler to Israel Christian, £40, > > a negro slave Hanna. Teste: W. Christian, Charles Donelly. > > > > Page 305.--22d June, 1763. Daniel Harrison and Sarah to James Green, > > £9, 100 acres in north fork of Linwell's Creek. Teste: James Gamwill, > > Charles Donnelly. > > > > Page 289.--18th March, 1768. George Wilson and Elizabeth, of Hampshire, > > to Charles Donnelly, £90, 234 acres by patent 10th August, 1759, on > > Stewart's Creek above. Delivered to Charles Donnelly, March, 1778. > > > > MARCH 18, 1768 > > (521) Commission ordered to privily examine Elizabeth, wife of George > > Wilson, to deed to Charles Donnelly > > > > Page 106.--17th May, 1768. James Hugart's estate appraisement, by James > > McCoy, Charles Donnerley, John Cartmill, recorded. > > > > MARCH 25, 1769 > > (125) Charles Donnerly and John McCreery appointed surveyors of road from > > Capt. Charles Lewis's to, the Fork of Dickinson's Road. > > > > Page 219.--24th February, 1770. Patrick Davis and Esther to James > > Millican, £30, 44 acres by patent dated 10th September, 1767, on > > Cowpasture River. Teste: Charles Lewis, Charles and Andrew Donnelly. > > Delivered: Andrew Donnelly, December, 1775. > > > > AUGUST 20, 1772 > > (409) Charles Lewis qualified Lieutenant Colonel of County. > > (411) Charles O'Donald, aged 17, orphan of Michael O'Donald, chose Thomas > > Stuart guardian. > > > > Page 9.--20th August, 1772. Thomas Stewart's bond (with George Mathews, > > David Henderson) as guardian to Charles O'Donald, orphan of Michael > > O'Donald. > > > > Page 182.--4th December, 1772. William Sitlington's estate appraised > > by Charles Donelly, Ralph Laverty, William Reach--1 servant man appraised > > to Dorby Dedy, £18.00.0; 1 servant man. named Joseph, appraised > > to Blackhouse £15.10.0; 1 servant man, named Augustine Picket, £14.00.0; > > 1 servant man, named Richard, appraised to Edwards, £14.00.0; 1 servant > > woman appraised to £12.00.0. > > > > Page 208.--8th October, 1781. Elizabeth (mark) dark's will--To daughter, > > Jean Elliot's heirs; to well beloved Elizabeth Breath (Reath, Reoth?); > > to daughter, Sarah Elliot; to daughter, Anne Dounlap; to daughter, Margret > > Clenkaid; to son, John Gridle; to son, James; to son, Alexander and > > to Alexander's wife; to four daughters; to son, Samuel; to son, William's > > heirs; to son, Robert. Executors, son Robert Clark and William Reaoh. > > Teste: Charles Donally, James McCleerey, Robt. Patterson, Geo. Berry. > > Proved, 20th November, 1781, by McCleerey and Berry. Robert Clark > > qualifies. > > > > Page 383.--25th October, 1781. Jane McCoy, of Greenbrier, widow and > > sole executrix of James McCoy, to Andrew and Charles Donnerley, patented > > 10th August, 1759, to said James on Stewart's Creek. Teste: Hugh > > Brown, Andrew Sitlington, Nathan Crawford. > > > > > > Page 308.--16th June, 1783. Mary (mark) Donnelly relinquishes her > > right to administration on her husband's, Charles Donnelly's, estate and > > nominates Andrew Donnelly, of Greenbrier, and her son, Andrew Donnelly. > > Teste: James Bleake, William (mark) Gillespey. > > > > Page 308.--15th February, 1779. Charles Donnelly's will (of Cow > > Pasture)--To wife, Mary; to daughters, Jean Bleake, Mary Brown; to other > > four children, viz: Andrew, Charles, Ann, Catherine; to sons, Andrew and > > Charles Donnally, Jr. Executrix, Mary and Col. Andrew Donnally and > > son Andrew. Teste: James Bleke, John Gay, Wm. (mark) Gillespy. > > Proved, 17th June, 1783, by Blake and Gillespy. Gay is since dead. The > > two Andrews qualify. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. Clarke > > Thomasville, GA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 3:55 PM > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > > > > > > > Afternoon John and all, I have a puzzler. Even an "I think" or an "I > told > > > you so" will be appreciated. Payne > > > > > > The Peter Daniel who married Sarah/Sally Lofton has been assigned to > > William > > > Daniel and Martha Field Allen Daniel. This assignment and the > possibility > > > that he was Peter Mickelborough Daniel the son of Charles Daniel and > Sarah > > > Tate is questionable. Even though PMD has the same stats as the Peter > > Daniel > > > who was the s/o William and Martha, the Peter who was the son of Charles > > and > > > Sarah was not the same individual. That Peter married Jane Ann Mayfield > > and > > > Elizabeth Piner. Does all of this sound familiar : ) ? > > > > > > Now another scenerio. The Peter Daniel who was the son of David Daniel > and > > > Margaret Lynch was most likley the Peter who married Sally Lofton. > There > > > are many collateral ties between the Loftins and the Lynchs and the > > Daniels > > > of Davidson County to support this connection. Ref: Jersey Baptist > Meeting > > > House Records in Davidson County where Peter, Charity and Mary made > > > applications in 1802. Had to be the son of David? > > > > > > Which Peter married Sally Lofton? We have at least two Peters sharing > that > > > distinction and both can't have the same date of birth, but they do? > > > > > > Peter Daniel (Is this fact or fiction) Father: William DANIEL b: 1740 > in, > > > Cumberland, Virginia - Mother: Pattie ALLEN b: Abt 1746 in Cumberland, > > > Virginia - Marriage 1 Sarah LOFTON b: 1786 in, Montgomery, North > Carolina > > > Married: 28 MAR 1803 in Rowan, North Carolina - Sealing Spouse: 13 MAR > > 1981 > > > in OGDEN Children: 1. Drury DANIEL b: Abt 1809 in Rowan, North Carolina. > > 2. > > > John T. DANIEL b: 1819 in Tennessee. > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to > > change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion > > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to > > contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to > change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to > contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? 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Morning John , I am pleased that you visit my web site and find items of interest to share with the List. Howsoever: Joe Daniel and I put the "Bill Brewer" line where it is after some consultation with Bill. "Cobbled Up", even Bill is not 100% happy with the assignment, but a mess in his work, I can't buy that. If you have some constructive input to help us clear up the so called mess??, please let us know in detail. So far I subscribe to the position that Burney and Randall gals were married to Thomas Daniel. When I review your most recent ideas about that possibility, I may change my mind. We need some facts man! Aha, TV basket ball today to cleanse the little gray cells from all this genealogical morass. I am a DUKIE and Robert is a GATOR, so John bring on the DAWGS. Talk to ya'll later. Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > Payne, > One researcher has Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA married to a Sarah > RANDLE and Sarah BURNEY with the kids being shown as the children of Sarah > BURNEY. They also have this Thomas the son of William DANIEL and Elizabeth > COLEMAN of Caroline County, VA. What a cobbled up line, that is - that is > the Bill BREWER line and talk about a mess, that is it..... > It almost seems that some, when they cannot put their known ancestor > with a specific line, they find the line with the most question marks and > "bingo," they have an instant ancestor. <grin> I think there were probably > two Thomas DANIELS in Greene County -- one, a part of that Kelso-Daniel line > and another from NC. One married a RANDLE and one married a BURNEY. > The only possibility is that BURNEY was not BURNEY but BIRNEY and > floated out of that Northern VA and Maryland BIRNEY family. I know that > part of that family migrated from MD/PA/VA to KY and then back into Northern > Alabama. Because of their opposition to slavery they later peddled their > way back north to the Washington, DC area. > This BIRNEY family is tied to my bunch - the son of General William > BIRNEY and Catherine HOFFMAN of Prince Frederick County, MD, Theodore Weld > BIRNEY (1854-1897), married my second cousin, Alice Josephine McCLELLAN > (1858-1907) in 1892 as her second husband. Her mother was a TATUM and her > grandmother a POTTER, a younger sister of my GGM, Anne Eliza POTTER. Alice > also married a WHITE from Charleston, SC as her first husband but is most > remembered for her latter marriage and name, Alice McClellan BIRNEY.. > This was why I made the note about the McCLELLANDS of Augusta County, VA > in the note about the McDONALDS, O'DONALDS and DONNELLYS the other day. The > spelling of their name was butchered by civil servants, too.. > I do not know about this bunch in Greene County, GA. A lot of their > links do not make sense but they are tied all over the FITZPATRICKS and any > family tied to that bunch has links back to Goochland, Cumberland, Fauquier > and even Augusta County, VA. > I know I am starting to see a pattern here that makes sense. This > Thomas could be a Woodson-Daniel descendant or he could be a part of that > Kelso-Daniel bunch. I do not know but I would like to look at the > possibility they are all related. This is the simplest solution but that > may not be the case. > In fact, one of these may be a DONALD, McDONALD, DONALDSON, DONELLY or > something along these lines and to make things simple down in Greene County, > they just shortened their name to DANIEL. Regardless, they all seem to be > of the same financial and educational profiles. > If I was going to guess, I would say that one of these Greene County, > GA families was out of Lancaster, PA and/or Frederick County, MD area and > was originally a McDONALD, DONELLY, O'DONALD or something along those lines, > which is why we cannot trace them back as a DANIEL. My bet is McDONALD and > the name change occurred around the time of the RW because of the Loyalist > McDONALD family. In fact, some of this bunch may have been loyalists and > dumped the name and took up DANIEL to keep this association out of > subsequent generations. > Personally, I never understand why the CUNNINGHAMS kept their name since > the "Butcher of SC" was a CUNNINGHAM and these folks in Greene County, GA > had to know the hard feelings this name had for many who also migrated from > SC to GA in the years after the RW. This may account for the reason the > CUNNINGHAMS married "so close" - none of the other folks in the area would > have anything to do with them. You know the South, as I do -- hard feelings > and family hatreds linger on for years, regardless of how much money you > have. <grin> > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:32 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > > > Can we have the best of both worlds. That is, Thomas was married to both > gals. What stats do you have on the Burney gal and likewise on the Randall > gal? Can they co-mingle in a relationship with Thomas? I enjoyed your > possibilities and I will keep chewing on this stuff. > > Thanks to John and Mike for their thoughts on my Peter Daniel delema and to > those of you who chipped in on my Marmaduke study. > > Lunch time ya'll. Payne > > "The supreme irony of life is that hardly anyone gets out of it alive." > -- Robert Heinlein, "Job", 1984 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:29 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > > > > Well, Payne, you know how I closely watch family associations in these > > DANIEL families and Charles DANIEL (1773-ABT 1800) of Greene County, GA > > being a son of Thomas DANIEL and Sarah BURNEY of NC, makes no sense > > whatsoever to me, if he married Elizabeth COFFEE, d/o Peter COFFEE. > > However, it does make sense if Charles's mother was a RANDLE and Thomas > was > > a VA DANIEL and not a NC DANIEL, which the BURNEY link seems to imply. > > > > Also note the many Charleston, SC connections in the family of William > > Coffee DANIEL (son of Charles and Elizabeth COFFEE of Greene County, > GA) -- > > he married a SCREVEN girl whose family was out of Charleston and > Charleston > > families are a big link in my bunch. Dr. William Coffee DANIEL I am pretty > > sure was the GA Senator William DANIEL of Savannah who interceded with the > > senate on behalf of the Methodist preacher, whom Judge L. Q. C. LAMAR of > > Milledgeville, GA had condemned to death in 1832, only to find out later, > he > > was innocent. Remember also, that Professor Winfield Montgomery RIVERS, > who > > married the widow of Robert W. DANIEL (my GGF), was living with Sarah > > Williamson Bird LAMAR, Judge LAMAR's widow, in Newton County, GA in 1850. > > > > As you will note, my DANIEL bunch of Burke, later Jefferson County, GA > > matches the profile of this bunch from Greene County, GA to a tee and one > of > > this Thomas and Sarah's kids of Greene County, GA were the > > great-grandparents of a girl, Mary Lou HUNTER, who married directly into > my > > RICHTER family in Madison, through the RALLS (also a VA family), COLEMANS > > and DANIEL of Greensboro, Greene County, GA. So, I am already connected > to > > this DANIEL bunch in Greene County, GA in one way but tis the other that > > interests me..... > > > > My bet is that my family of Burke County, GA is related in some way to > these > > Greene County, GA folks, either through Thomas and Sarah or through the > > CUNNINGHAM-DANIEL bunch. However, it could be a class thing and not a > > family thing. > > > > However, there is a pretty good possibility that my bunch had links to the > > Upper Neck area of VA, maybe even Augusta County, VA, which may explain > the > > RENEAU connection in this family. Also, Robert DANIELL's "O'DANIEL family > > of Fairfax County, VA" seems to be the only DANIEL related family that has > > links to both the names, ERWIN, TAYLOR and WISE, that I need for my bunch > in > > Burke County, GA to fly. We also know this O'DANIEL family was from > Fairfax > > County, VA, met the profile of my bunch and probably had many links into > the > > Upper Neck area of VA. They later migrated down to GA through NC and my > > DANIEL or DANIELL bunch may well be a part of this migration but we cannot > > find the name, Robert, in this bunch. > > > > I think the answer to my bunch may be in correcting the DANIEL families of > > Greene County, GA - both of them. I think they are cobbled up, as they > now > > stand, primarily because they do not make sense. > > > > John R. Clarke > > Thomasville, GA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 9:33 AM > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > > > > > > Yes I noticed. I remain interested in the Randle and Burney connections > and > > the will you mentioned. > > > > Payne > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 6:37 PM > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > > > > > > > Payne, > > > Did you happen to notice the given name, Charles, all over that > > DONELLY, > > > McDONALD and other DANIEL related information from Upper Neck and > Augusta > > > County, VA which I posted, yesterday? > > > I am still trying to figure out who this DONELLY bunch was but I > know > > > they are all over the LEWIS, CAMPBELL and CROW families of that area, a > > lot > > > of which later migrated into the OH territory. From what I do know, > this > > > bunch migrated from Scotland to Ireland and then to Botetourt County, > VA, > > > later Augusta County, VA. I would almost bet this DONELLY, or O'DONALD > as > > > they are sometimes referred to in these civil records, came with them, > > > before or after. > > > This DONELLY, O'DONALD or McDONALD family I think had links to the > > > Lancaster County, PA area or had ties to that area. I also think there > is > > a > > > good possibility they were probably tied in some way to that BOONES and > > > BRYAN bunch from that same general area. > > > The reason I ask about the name, Charles, is Charles is not a given > > name > > > in any of the families I know which later migrated into Greene and > Wilkes > > > County, GA. I cannot say these families in Augusta County, VA are > around > > > the CUNNINGHAMS of that area but they sure were in the same general > area, > > at > > > one point, and we know that bunch later migrated south into VA from PA. > > > I want to see that will of Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA, that > > > confirms the Charles DANIEL (1773-1803) who married Elizabeth COFFEE, > was > > a > > > son of Thomas DANIEL and Sarah BURNEY of Greene County, GA if someone > has > > > it. The given name, Charles, just does not fit this family nor does a > link > > > to the COFFEES. > > > The reason I say it does not fit is -- (1) These VA families tended > to > > > marry only into what were, once, VA families (2) These families married > > all > > > over each other -- cousins married cousins. > > > For Peter COFFEE to let his daughter break with tradition and marry > > into > > > a NC family does not match their profile at all, unless Thomas DANIEL > was > > > out of this same DANIEL line that came south with them and the > CUNNINHJAMS > > > from VA....... > > > If the latter, then I think Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA was > > > really married to a Sarah RANDLE, something that others have reported > > > because the RANDLE name is all over this bunch, later. If later, then > > > possibly, earlier, too........ > > > For what it is worth, I think the COFFEE/COFFEY family followed the > > > CUNNINGHAMS from Ireland to PA, then to PE County, VA and finally to > > Wilkes > > > and Greene County, GA. The HEARDS and even the FITZPATRICKS may have > been > > a > > > part of this group, too. > > > > > > <<<< > > > IE: > > > > > > Page 25.--26th February, 1762. Francis Tyler to Israel Christian, £40, > > > a negro slave Hanna. Teste: W. Christian, Charles Donelly. > > > > > > Page 305.--22d June, 1763. Daniel Harrison and Sarah to James Green, > > > £9, 100 acres in north fork of Linwell's Creek. Teste: James Gamwill, > > > Charles Donnelly. > > > > > > Page 289.--18th March, 1768. George Wilson and Elizabeth, of Hampshire, > > > to Charles Donnelly, £90, 234 acres by patent 10th August, 1759, on > > > Stewart's Creek above. Delivered to Charles Donnelly, March, 1778. > > > > > > MARCH 18, 1768 > > > (521) Commission ordered to privily examine Elizabeth, wife of George > > > Wilson, to deed to Charles Donnelly > > > > > > Page 106.--17th May, 1768. James Hugart's estate appraisement, by James > > > McCoy, Charles Donnerley, John Cartmill, recorded. > > > > > > MARCH 25, 1769 > > > (125) Charles Donnerly and John McCreery appointed surveyors of road > from > > > Capt. Charles Lewis's to, the Fork of Dickinson's Road. > > > > > > Page 219.--24th February, 1770. Patrick Davis and Esther to James > > > Millican, £30, 44 acres by patent dated 10th September, 1767, on > > > Cowpasture River. Teste: Charles Lewis, Charles and Andrew Donnelly. > > > Delivered: Andrew Donnelly, December, 1775. > > > > > > AUGUST 20, 1772 > > > (409) Charles Lewis qualified Lieutenant Colonel of County. > > > (411) Charles O'Donald, aged 17, orphan of Michael O'Donald, chose > Thomas > > > Stuart guardian. > > > > > > Page 9.--20th August, 1772. Thomas Stewart's bond (with George Mathews, > > > David Henderson) as guardian to Charles O'Donald, orphan of Michael > > > O'Donald. > > > > > > Page 182.--4th December, 1772. William Sitlington's estate appraised > > > by Charles Donelly, Ralph Laverty, William Reach--1 servant man > appraised > > > to Dorby Dedy, £18.00.0; 1 servant man. named Joseph, appraised > > > to Blackhouse £15.10.0; 1 servant man, named Augustine Picket, £14.00.0; > > > 1 servant man, named Richard, appraised to Edwards, £14.00.0; 1 servant > > > woman appraised to £12.00.0. > > > > > > Page 208.--8th October, 1781. Elizabeth (mark) dark's will--To daughter, > > > Jean Elliot's heirs; to well beloved Elizabeth Breath (Reath, Reoth?); > > > to daughter, Sarah Elliot; to daughter, Anne Dounlap; to daughter, > Margret > > > Clenkaid; to son, John Gridle; to son, James; to son, Alexander and > > > to Alexander's wife; to four daughters; to son, Samuel; to son, > William's > > > heirs; to son, Robert. Executors, son Robert Clark and William Reaoh. > > > Teste: Charles Donally, James McCleerey, Robt. Patterson, Geo. Berry. > > > Proved, 20th November, 1781, by McCleerey and Berry. Robert Clark > > > qualifies. > > > > > > Page 383.--25th October, 1781. Jane McCoy, of Greenbrier, widow and > > > sole executrix of James McCoy, to Andrew and Charles Donnerley, patented > > > 10th August, 1759, to said James on Stewart's Creek. Teste: Hugh > > > Brown, Andrew Sitlington, Nathan Crawford. > > > > > > > > > Page 308.--16th June, 1783. Mary (mark) Donnelly relinquishes her > > > right to administration on her husband's, Charles Donnelly's, estate and > > > nominates Andrew Donnelly, of Greenbrier, and her son, Andrew Donnelly. > > > Teste: James Bleake, William (mark) Gillespey. > > > > > > Page 308.--15th February, 1779. Charles Donnelly's will (of Cow > > > Pasture)--To wife, Mary; to daughters, Jean Bleake, Mary Brown; to other > > > four children, viz: Andrew, Charles, Ann, Catherine; to sons, Andrew and > > > Charles Donnally, Jr. Executrix, Mary and Col. Andrew Donnally and > > > son Andrew. Teste: James Bleke, John Gay, Wm. (mark) Gillespy. > > > Proved, 17th June, 1783, by Blake and Gillespy. Gay is since dead. The > > > two Andrews qualify. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. Clarke > > > Thomasville, GA > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 3:55 PM > > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > > > > > > > > > > Afternoon John and all, I have a puzzler. Even an "I think" or an "I > > told > > > > you so" will be appreciated. Payne > > > > > > > > The Peter Daniel who married Sarah/Sally Lofton has been assigned to > > > William > > > > Daniel and Martha Field Allen Daniel. This assignment and the > > possibility > > > > that he was Peter Mickelborough Daniel the son of Charles Daniel and > > Sarah > > > > Tate is questionable. Even though PMD has the same stats as the Peter > > > Daniel > > > > who was the s/o William and Martha, the Peter who was the son of > Charles > > > and > > > > Sarah was not the same individual. That Peter married Jane Ann > Mayfield > > > and > > > > Elizabeth Piner. Does all of this sound familiar : ) ? > > > > > > > > Now another scenerio. The Peter Daniel who was the son of David Daniel > > and > > > > Margaret Lynch was most likley the Peter who married Sally Lofton. > > There > > > > are many collateral ties between the Loftins and the Lynchs and the > > > Daniels > > > > of Davidson County to support this connection. Ref: Jersey Baptist > > Meeting > > > > House Records in Davidson County where Peter, Charity and Mary made > > > > applications in 1802. Had to be the son of David? > > > > > > > > Which Peter married Sally Lofton? We have at least two Peters sharing > > that > > > > distinction and both can't have the same date of birth, but they do? > > > > > > > > Peter Daniel (Is this fact or fiction) Father: William DANIEL b: 1740 > > in, > > > > Cumberland, Virginia - Mother: Pattie ALLEN b: Abt 1746 in Cumberland, > > > > Virginia - Marriage 1 Sarah LOFTON b: 1786 in, Montgomery, North > > Carolina > > > > Married: 28 MAR 1803 in Rowan, North Carolina - Sealing Spouse: 13 MAR > > > 1981 > > > > in OGDEN Children: 1. Drury DANIEL b: Abt 1809 in Rowan, North > Carolina. > > > 2. > > > > John T. DANIEL b: 1819 in Tennessee. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to > > > change your subscription method or email address or you have a > suggestion > > > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to > > > contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to > > change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion > > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to > > contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives > at: > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? 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"A mess in my work?" (smile)....I agree, I'd like to get it cleared up, but I'm not a mess...not too good looking maybe...but a mess? (smile) Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Daniel, Joe" <JoeD494005@aol.com>; "Brewer, Bill" <wwb@ix.netcom.com> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 6:34 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > Morning John , I am pleased that you visit my web site and find items of > interest to share with the List. Howsoever: > > Joe Daniel and I put the "Bill Brewer" line where it is after some > consultation with Bill. "Cobbled Up", even Bill is not 100% happy with the > assignment, but a mess in his work, I can't buy that. If you have some > constructive input to help us clear up the so called mess??, please let us > know in detail. > > So far I subscribe to the position that Burney and Randall gals were married > to Thomas Daniel. When I review your most recent ideas about that > possibility, I may change my mind. We need some facts man! > > Aha, TV basket ball today to cleanse the little gray cells from all this > genealogical morass. I am a DUKIE and Robert is a GATOR, so John bring on > the DAWGS. > > Talk to ya'll later. Payne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 1:03 PM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > > > > Payne, > > One researcher has Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA married to a > Sarah > > RANDLE and Sarah BURNEY with the kids being shown as the children of Sarah > > BURNEY. They also have this Thomas the son of William DANIEL and > Elizabeth > > COLEMAN of Caroline County, VA. What a cobbled up line, that is - that is > > the Bill BREWER line and talk about a mess, that is it..... > > It almost seems that some, when they cannot put their known ancestor > > with a specific line, they find the line with the most question marks and > > "bingo," they have an instant ancestor. <grin> I think there were > probably > > two Thomas DANIELS in Greene County -- one, a part of that Kelso-Daniel > line > > and another from NC. One married a RANDLE and one married a BURNEY. > > The only possibility is that BURNEY was not BURNEY but BIRNEY and > > floated out of that Northern VA and Maryland BIRNEY family. I know that > > part of that family migrated from MD/PA/VA to KY and then back into > Northern > > Alabama. Because of their opposition to slavery they later peddled their > > way back north to the Washington, DC area. > > This BIRNEY family is tied to my bunch - the son of General William > > BIRNEY and Catherine HOFFMAN of Prince Frederick County, MD, Theodore Weld > > BIRNEY (1854-1897), married my second cousin, Alice Josephine McCLELLAN > > (1858-1907) in 1892 as her second husband. Her mother was a TATUM and > her > > grandmother a POTTER, a younger sister of my GGM, Anne Eliza POTTER. > Alice > > also married a WHITE from Charleston, SC as her first husband but is most > > remembered for her latter marriage and name, Alice McClellan BIRNEY.. > > This was why I made the note about the McCLELLANDS of Augusta County, > VA > > in the note about the McDONALDS, O'DONALDS and DONNELLYS the other day. > The > > spelling of their name was butchered by civil servants, too.. > > I do not know about this bunch in Greene County, GA. A lot of their > > links do not make sense but they are tied all over the FITZPATRICKS and > any > > family tied to that bunch has links back to Goochland, Cumberland, > Fauquier > > and even Augusta County, VA. > > I know I am starting to see a pattern here that makes sense. This > > Thomas could be a Woodson-Daniel descendant or he could be a part of that > > Kelso-Daniel bunch. I do not know but I would like to look at the > > possibility they are all related. This is the simplest solution but that > > may not be the case. > > In fact, one of these may be a DONALD, McDONALD, DONALDSON, DONELLY or > > something along these lines and to make things simple down in Greene > County, > > they just shortened their name to DANIEL. Regardless, they all seem to be > > of the same financial and educational profiles. > > If I was going to guess, I would say that one of these Greene County, > > GA families was out of Lancaster, PA and/or Frederick County, MD area and > > was originally a McDONALD, DONELLY, O'DONALD or something along those > lines, > > which is why we cannot trace them back as a DANIEL. My bet is McDONALD > and > > the name change occurred around the time of the RW because of the Loyalist > > McDONALD family. In fact, some of this bunch may have been loyalists and > > dumped the name and took up DANIEL to keep this association out of > > subsequent generations. > > Personally, I never understand why the CUNNINGHAMS kept their name > since > > the "Butcher of SC" was a CUNNINGHAM and these folks in Greene County, GA > > had to know the hard feelings this name had for many who also migrated > from > > SC to GA in the years after the RW. This may account for the reason the > > CUNNINGHAMS married "so close" - none of the other folks in the area would > > have anything to do with them. You know the South, as I do -- hard > feelings > > and family hatreds linger on for years, regardless of how much money you > > have. <grin> > > > > John R. Clarke > > Thomasville, GA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:32 AM > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > > > > > > Can we have the best of both worlds. That is, Thomas was married to both > > gals. What stats do you have on the Burney gal and likewise on the Randall > > gal? Can they co-mingle in a relationship with Thomas? I enjoyed your > > possibilities and I will keep chewing on this stuff. > > > > Thanks to John and Mike for their thoughts on my Peter Daniel delema and > to > > those of you who chipped in on my Marmaduke study. > > > > Lunch time ya'll. Payne > > > > "The supreme irony of life is that hardly anyone gets out of it alive." > > -- Robert Heinlein, "Job", 1984 > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:29 AM > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > > > > > > > Well, Payne, you know how I closely watch family associations in these > > > DANIEL families and Charles DANIEL (1773-ABT 1800) of Greene County, GA > > > being a son of Thomas DANIEL and Sarah BURNEY of NC, makes no sense > > > whatsoever to me, if he married Elizabeth COFFEE, d/o Peter COFFEE. > > > However, it does make sense if Charles's mother was a RANDLE and Thomas > > was > > > a VA DANIEL and not a NC DANIEL, which the BURNEY link seems to imply. > > > > > > Also note the many Charleston, SC connections in the family of William > > > Coffee DANIEL (son of Charles and Elizabeth COFFEE of Greene County, > > GA) -- > > > he married a SCREVEN girl whose family was out of Charleston and > > Charleston > > > families are a big link in my bunch. Dr. William Coffee DANIEL I am > pretty > > > sure was the GA Senator William DANIEL of Savannah who interceded with > the > > > senate on behalf of the Methodist preacher, whom Judge L. Q. C. LAMAR of > > > Milledgeville, GA had condemned to death in 1832, only to find out > later, > > he > > > was innocent. Remember also, that Professor Winfield Montgomery RIVERS, > > who > > > married the widow of Robert W. DANIEL (my GGF), was living with Sarah > > > Williamson Bird LAMAR, Judge LAMAR's widow, in Newton County, GA in > 1850. > > > > > > As you will note, my DANIEL bunch of Burke, later Jefferson County, GA > > > matches the profile of this bunch from Greene County, GA to a tee and > one > > of > > > this Thomas and Sarah's kids of Greene County, GA were the > > > great-grandparents of a girl, Mary Lou HUNTER, who married directly into > > my > > > RICHTER family in Madison, through the RALLS (also a VA family), > COLEMANS > > > and DANIEL of Greensboro, Greene County, GA. So, I am already connected > > to > > > this DANIEL bunch in Greene County, GA in one way but tis the other that > > > interests me..... > > > > > > My bet is that my family of Burke County, GA is related in some way to > > these > > > Greene County, GA folks, either through Thomas and Sarah or through the > > > CUNNINGHAM-DANIEL bunch. However, it could be a class thing and not a > > > family thing. > > > > > > However, there is a pretty good possibility that my bunch had links to > the > > > Upper Neck area of VA, maybe even Augusta County, VA, which may explain > > the > > > RENEAU connection in this family. Also, Robert DANIELL's "O'DANIEL > family > > > of Fairfax County, VA" seems to be the only DANIEL related family that > has > > > links to both the names, ERWIN, TAYLOR and WISE, that I need for my > bunch > > in > > > Burke County, GA to fly. We also know this O'DANIEL family was from > > Fairfax > > > County, VA, met the profile of my bunch and probably had many links into > > the > > > Upper Neck area of VA. They later migrated down to GA through NC and my > > > DANIEL or DANIELL bunch may well be a part of this migration but we > cannot > > > find the name, Robert, in this bunch. > > > > > > I think the answer to my bunch may be in correcting the DANIEL families > of > > > Greene County, GA - both of them. I think they are cobbled up, as they > > now > > > stand, primarily because they do not make sense. > > > > > > John R. Clarke > > > Thomasville, GA > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 9:33 AM > > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > > > > > > > > > Yes I noticed. I remain interested in the Randle and Burney connections > > and > > > the will you mentioned. > > > > > > Payne > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 6:37 PM > > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > > > > > > > > > > Payne, > > > > Did you happen to notice the given name, Charles, all over that > > > DONELLY, > > > > McDONALD and other DANIEL related information from Upper Neck and > > Augusta > > > > County, VA which I posted, yesterday? > > > > I am still trying to figure out who this DONELLY bunch was but I > > know > > > > they are all over the LEWIS, CAMPBELL and CROW families of that area, > a > > > lot > > > > of which later migrated into the OH territory. From what I do know, > > this > > > > bunch migrated from Scotland to Ireland and then to Botetourt County, > > VA, > > > > later Augusta County, VA. I would almost bet this DONELLY, or > O'DONALD > > as > > > > they are sometimes referred to in these civil records, came with them, > > > > before or after. > > > > This DONELLY, O'DONALD or McDONALD family I think had links to the > > > > Lancaster County, PA area or had ties to that area. I also think > there > > is > > > a > > > > good possibility they were probably tied in some way to that BOONES > and > > > > BRYAN bunch from that same general area. > > > > The reason I ask about the name, Charles, is Charles is not a > given > > > name > > > > in any of the families I know which later migrated into Greene and > > Wilkes > > > > County, GA. I cannot say these families in Augusta County, VA are > > around > > > > the CUNNINGHAMS of that area but they sure were in the same general > > area, > > > at > > > > one point, and we know that bunch later migrated south into VA from > PA. > > > > I want to see that will of Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA, > that > > > > confirms the Charles DANIEL (1773-1803) who married Elizabeth COFFEE, > > was > > > a > > > > son of Thomas DANIEL and Sarah BURNEY of Greene County, GA if someone > > has > > > > it. The given name, Charles, just does not fit this family nor does a > > link > > > > to the COFFEES. > > > > The reason I say it does not fit is -- (1) These VA families > tended > > to > > > > marry only into what were, once, VA families (2) These families > married > > > all > > > > over each other -- cousins married cousins. > > > > For Peter COFFEE to let his daughter break with tradition and > marry > > > into > > > > a NC family does not match their profile at all, unless Thomas DANIEL > > was > > > > out of this same DANIEL line that came south with them and the > > CUNNINHJAMS > > > > from VA....... > > > > If the latter, then I think Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA was > > > > really married to a Sarah RANDLE, something that others have reported > > > > because the RANDLE name is all over this bunch, later. If later, then > > > > possibly, earlier, too........ > > > > For what it is worth, I think the COFFEE/COFFEY family followed > the > > > > CUNNINGHAMS from Ireland to PA, then to PE County, VA and finally to > > > Wilkes > > > > and Greene County, GA. The HEARDS and even the FITZPATRICKS may have > > been > > > a > > > > part of this group, too. > > > > > > > > <<<< > > > > IE: > > > > > > > > Page 25.--26th February, 1762. Francis Tyler to Israel Christian, £40, > > > > a negro slave Hanna. Teste: W. Christian, Charles Donelly. > > > > > > > > Page 305.--22d June, 1763. Daniel Harrison and Sarah to James Green, > > > > £9, 100 acres in north fork of Linwell's Creek. Teste: James Gamwill, > > > > Charles Donnelly. > > > > > > > > Page 289.--18th March, 1768. George Wilson and Elizabeth, of > Hampshire, > > > > to Charles Donnelly, £90, 234 acres by patent 10th August, 1759, on > > > > Stewart's Creek above. Delivered to Charles Donnelly, March, 1778. > > > > > > > > MARCH 18, 1768 > > > > (521) Commission ordered to privily examine Elizabeth, wife of George > > > > Wilson, to deed to Charles Donnelly > > > > > > > > Page 106.--17th May, 1768. James Hugart's estate appraisement, by > James > > > > McCoy, Charles Donnerley, John Cartmill, recorded. > > > > > > > > MARCH 25, 1769 > > > > (125) Charles Donnerly and John McCreery appointed surveyors of road > > from > > > > Capt. Charles Lewis's to, the Fork of Dickinson's Road. > > > > > > > > Page 219.--24th February, 1770. Patrick Davis and Esther to James > > > > Millican, £30, 44 acres by patent dated 10th September, 1767, on > > > > Cowpasture River. Teste: Charles Lewis, Charles and Andrew Donnelly. > > > > Delivered: Andrew Donnelly, December, 1775. > > > > > > > > AUGUST 20, 1772 > > > > (409) Charles Lewis qualified Lieutenant Colonel of County. > > > > (411) Charles O'Donald, aged 17, orphan of Michael O'Donald, chose > > Thomas > > > > Stuart guardian. > > > > > > > > Page 9.--20th August, 1772. Thomas Stewart's bond (with George > Mathews, > > > > David Henderson) as guardian to Charles O'Donald, orphan of Michael > > > > O'Donald. > > > > > > > > Page 182.--4th December, 1772. William Sitlington's estate appraised > > > > by Charles Donelly, Ralph Laverty, William Reach--1 servant man > > appraised > > > > to Dorby Dedy, £18.00.0; 1 servant man. named Joseph, appraised > > > > to Blackhouse £15.10.0; 1 servant man, named Augustine Picket, > £14.00.0; > > > > 1 servant man, named Richard, appraised to Edwards, £14.00.0; 1 > servant > > > > woman appraised to £12.00.0. > > > > > > > > Page 208.--8th October, 1781. Elizabeth (mark) dark's will--To > daughter, > > > > Jean Elliot's heirs; to well beloved Elizabeth Breath (Reath, Reoth?); > > > > to daughter, Sarah Elliot; to daughter, Anne Dounlap; to daughter, > > Margret > > > > Clenkaid; to son, John Gridle; to son, James; to son, Alexander and > > > > to Alexander's wife; to four daughters; to son, Samuel; to son, > > William's > > > > heirs; to son, Robert. Executors, son Robert Clark and William Reaoh. > > > > Teste: Charles Donally, James McCleerey, Robt. Patterson, Geo. Berry. > > > > Proved, 20th November, 1781, by McCleerey and Berry. Robert Clark > > > > qualifies. > > > > > > > > Page 383.--25th October, 1781. Jane McCoy, of Greenbrier, widow and > > > > sole executrix of James McCoy, to Andrew and Charles Donnerley, > patented > > > > 10th August, 1759, to said James on Stewart's Creek. Teste: Hugh > > > > Brown, Andrew Sitlington, Nathan Crawford. > > > > > > > > > > > > Page 308.--16th June, 1783. Mary (mark) Donnelly relinquishes her > > > > right to administration on her husband's, Charles Donnelly's, estate > and > > > > nominates Andrew Donnelly, of Greenbrier, and her son, Andrew > Donnelly. > > > > Teste: James Bleake, William (mark) Gillespey. > > > > > > > > Page 308.--15th February, 1779. Charles Donnelly's will (of Cow > > > > Pasture)--To wife, Mary; to daughters, Jean Bleake, Mary Brown; to > other > > > > four children, viz: Andrew, Charles, Ann, Catherine; to sons, Andrew > and > > > > Charles Donnally, Jr. Executrix, Mary and Col. Andrew Donnally and > > > > son Andrew. Teste: James Bleke, John Gay, Wm. (mark) Gillespy. > > > > Proved, 17th June, 1783, by Blake and Gillespy. Gay is since dead. The > > > > two Andrews qualify. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. Clarke > > > > Thomasville, GA > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> > > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 3:55 PM > > > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > > > > > > > > > > > > > Afternoon John and all, I have a puzzler. Even an "I think" or an "I > > > told > > > > > you so" will be appreciated. Payne > > > > > > > > > > The Peter Daniel who married Sarah/Sally Lofton has been assigned to > > > > William > > > > > Daniel and Martha Field Allen Daniel. This assignment and the > > > possibility > > > > > that he was Peter Mickelborough Daniel the son of Charles Daniel and > > > Sarah > > > > > Tate is questionable. Even though PMD has the same stats as the > Peter > > > > Daniel > > > > > who was the s/o William and Martha, the Peter who was the son of > > Charles > > > > and > > > > > Sarah was not the same individual. That Peter married Jane Ann > > Mayfield > > > > and > > > > > Elizabeth Piner. Does all of this sound familiar : ) ? > > > > > > > > > > Now another scenerio. The Peter Daniel who was the son of David > Daniel > > > and > > > > > Margaret Lynch was most likley the Peter who married Sally Lofton. > > > There > > > > > are many collateral ties between the Loftins and the Lynchs and the > > > > Daniels > > > > > of Davidson County to support this connection. Ref: Jersey Baptist > > > Meeting > > > > > House Records in Davidson County where Peter, Charity and Mary made > > > > > applications in 1802. Had to be the son of David? > > > > > > > > > > Which Peter married Sally Lofton? We have at least two Peters > sharing > > > that > > > > > distinction and both can't have the same date of birth, but they do? > > > > > > > > > > Peter Daniel (Is this fact or fiction) Father: William DANIEL b: > 1740 > > > in, > > > > > Cumberland, Virginia - Mother: Pattie ALLEN b: Abt 1746 in > Cumberland, > > > > > Virginia - Marriage 1 Sarah LOFTON b: 1786 in, Montgomery, North > > > Carolina > > > > > Married: 28 MAR 1803 in Rowan, North Carolina - Sealing Spouse: 13 > MAR > > > > 1981 > > > > > in OGDEN Children: 1. Drury DANIEL b: Abt 1809 in Rowan, North > > Carolina. > > > > 2. > > > > > John T. DANIEL b: 1819 in Tennessee. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > > > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like > to > > > > change your subscription method or email address or you have a > > suggestion > > > > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free > to > > > > contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to > > > change your subscription method or email address or you have a > suggestion > > > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to > > > contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives > > at: > > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? 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Payne, Webster's defines "mess" as a "disorderly accumulation" among one of its various meanings. From what I know about this particular DANIEL line, that definition probably describes our knowledge of this DANIEL line about as well as any descriptor I have ever seen affixed to any DANIEL line, unless you are privy to something I am not. What was it you used to call part of this DANIEL line -- the "Bill Brewer Questionable Line?" As you know, I like things neat and orderly. I like families that marry into the same families their cousins, aunts and uncles married into. Makes things, like key assignment and family inter-family relationships, a little easier to understand. Do you not agree? As for your website, you seem to change things so often in the past several years, I sometimes cannot always keep up with your current assignments. One time I go to your website and you have this Daniel boy assigned to one family and the next time I go to your website, you have him assigned to some completely different DANIEL family. I can understand some minor variations in family assignments, within a certain DANIEL family, but I do not understand these changes when these variations cross family boundaries. Early researchers were sometimes a little wrong on who a particular boy or girl were a son of but they were usually in the right ball park, even if they were not in the right section, row and aisle. Several or more times a year I go to your website and try to reconcile our differences, noting them to you, but when one has thousands and thousands of DANIELS, as I do, it is hard to keep up with these changes, especially to key assignments. We have made some key assignment changes in the past several years. One was the straightening out of the mess in the Middlesex bunch, i.e. James DANIEL and Jane HICKS, Chesley DANIEL and Judith, et. al., as well as some of the major changes in the Thomas DANIEL and Elizabeth line out of Tyrrell County, NC and the Simon and Elizabeth line out of Edgecombe but some of the changes I have seen recently on you website are completely outside of my database. Much of this put of different information into an apples and oranges situation, sometimes. I see apples and you are talking about oranges. This may be one of those times. As for the BREWERS, I have lots of BREWERS tied to various families very close to my DANIEL bunch. They are tied to the REIDS, WYCHES, WALTONS and even to a maternal great-grand uncle, George M. DAME of Montgomery County, GA. The DAMES lived in Middlesex County, VA before migrating to Dodge County, GA. The WYCHES, WALTONS and REIDS are all over my paternal Morgan County, GA family, which includes the DANIELS. I have looked at this COLEMAN-DANIEL line, very closely in the past, because of the Eden COLEMAN who ties into the Thomas DANIEL and Sarah BURNEY/RANDLE line in Greene County, GA. I assume you still have this "Bill Brewer Questionable Line" tied to the William DANIEL and Elizabeth COLEMAN out of Caroline County, VA? Anyway, that was where it was the last time I reconciled my information against yours and assume it is still there. Regardless, that is where I have it in my information. If you have moved it to another DANIEL family or sub-family, please advise, because I like for our key assignment information to agree. We both know the SNEADS went to KY and any family that usually went to KY had a good chance to floating across the Ohio River into either OH, IN or IL. I have nothing against being related to the SNEADS, at all. Swinging Sammy and I were born on the same day, the 27th of May, and we are both pretty good golfers. <grin> I do not even have anything against being related to the GILBERTS, another KY family, either. Larry GILBERT and I played a round a few years ago and he beat me one stroke on the last hole but I did not hold it against him. <grin> Larry was a nice fellow and a gentleman, as I assume Sammy was, and the world is lesser place for their passing. Do not think that I did not read about the Sen. Strom THURMAN situation with some degree of apprehension, especially since two of the surnames listed for two of his nieces were identical to those of close families and especially since one of the daughters of one of my great-grand uncles, a RENO, married a THURMAN. Nor the fact I have some family pictures taken in the 1850's in this same RENEAU family that don't look exactly Kosher. <grin> I thought this may have been something only attributable to that one RENO family until a cousin told me she had similar pictures in her family albums from the same period. We all know this kind of stuff went on in the days before the Civil War and I assume at least as late as 1924 in SC. <grin> As for facts, I wish I had some to offer you on the RANDLE-BURNEY possibilities, but I do not. I can only say, if the mother of the children of Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA was a Sarah BURNEY, the d/o Simon, Sr. and Elizabeth HARDY, then that points to Eastern NC for his origins. If she was a RANDLE, a real possibility, that points to VA for his origins, so take your pick. My best guess is she was a RANDLE but I have his wife, currently, as Sarah BURNEY........ John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler Morning John , I am pleased that you visit my web site and find items of interest to share with the List. Howsoever: Joe Daniel and I put the "Bill Brewer" line where it is after some consultation with Bill. "Cobbled Up", even Bill is not 100% happy with the assignment, but a mess in his work, I can't buy that. If you have some constructive input to help us clear up the so called mess??, please let us know in detail. So far I subscribe to the position that Burney and Randall gals were married to Thomas Daniel. When I review your most recent ideas about that possibility, I may change my mind. We need some facts man! Aha, TV basket ball today to cleanse the little gray cells from all this genealogical morass. I am a DUKIE and Robert is a GATOR, so John bring on the DAWGS. Talk to ya'll later. Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > Payne, > One researcher has Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA married to a Sarah > RANDLE and Sarah BURNEY with the kids being shown as the children of Sarah > BURNEY. They also have this Thomas the son of William DANIEL and Elizabeth > COLEMAN of Caroline County, VA. What a cobbled up line, that is - that is > the Bill BREWER line and talk about a mess, that is it..... > It almost seems that some, when they cannot put their known ancestor > with a specific line, they find the line with the most question marks and > "bingo," they have an instant ancestor. <grin> I think there were probably > two Thomas DANIELS in Greene County -- one, a part of that Kelso-Daniel line > and another from NC. One married a RANDLE and one married a BURNEY. > The only possibility is that BURNEY was not BURNEY but BIRNEY and > floated out of that Northern VA and Maryland BIRNEY family. I know that > part of that family migrated from MD/PA/VA to KY and then back into Northern > Alabama. Because of their opposition to slavery they later peddled their > way back north to the Washington, DC area. > This BIRNEY family is tied to my bunch - the son of General William > BIRNEY and Catherine HOFFMAN of Prince Frederick County, MD, Theodore Weld > BIRNEY (1854-1897), married my second cousin, Alice Josephine McCLELLAN > (1858-1907) in 1892 as her second husband. Her mother was a TATUM and her > grandmother a POTTER, a younger sister of my GGM, Anne Eliza POTTER. Alice > also married a WHITE from Charleston, SC as her first husband but is most > remembered for her latter marriage and name, Alice McClellan BIRNEY.. > This was why I made the note about the McCLELLANDS of Augusta County, VA > in the note about the McDONALDS, O'DONALDS and DONNELLYS the other day. The > spelling of their name was butchered by civil servants, too.. > I do not know about this bunch in Greene County, GA. A lot of their > links do not make sense but they are tied all over the FITZPATRICKS and any > family tied to that bunch has links back to Goochland, Cumberland, Fauquier > and even Augusta County, VA. > I know I am starting to see a pattern here that makes sense. This > Thomas could be a Woodson-Daniel descendant or he could be a part of that > Kelso-Daniel bunch. I do not know but I would like to look at the > possibility they are all related. This is the simplest solution but that > may not be the case. > In fact, one of these may be a DONALD, McDONALD, DONALDSON, DONELLY or > something along these lines and to make things simple down in Greene County, > they just shortened their name to DANIEL. Regardless, they all seem to be > of the same financial and educational profiles. > If I was going to guess, I would say that one of these Greene County, > GA families was out of Lancaster, PA and/or Frederick County, MD area and > was originally a McDONALD, DONELLY, O'DONALD or something along those lines, > which is why we cannot trace them back as a DANIEL. My bet is McDONALD and > the name change occurred around the time of the RW because of the Loyalist > McDONALD family. In fact, some of this bunch may have been loyalists and > dumped the name and took up DANIEL to keep this association out of > subsequent generations. > Personally, I never understand why the CUNNINGHAMS kept their name since > the "Butcher of SC" was a CUNNINGHAM and these folks in Greene County, GA > had to know the hard feelings this name had for many who also migrated from > SC to GA in the years after the RW. This may account for the reason the > CUNNINGHAMS married "so close" - none of the other folks in the area would > have anything to do with them. You know the South, as I do -- hard feelings > and family hatreds linger on for years, regardless of how much money you > have. <grin> > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:32 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > > > Can we have the best of both worlds. That is, Thomas was married to both > gals. What stats do you have on the Burney gal and likewise on the Randall > gal? Can they co-mingle in a relationship with Thomas? I enjoyed your > possibilities and I will keep chewing on this stuff. > > Thanks to John and Mike for their thoughts on my Peter Daniel delema and to > those of you who chipped in on my Marmaduke study. > > Lunch time ya'll. Payne > > "The supreme irony of life is that hardly anyone gets out of it alive." > -- Robert Heinlein, "Job", 1984 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:29 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > > > > Well, Payne, you know how I closely watch family associations in these > > DANIEL families and Charles DANIEL (1773-ABT 1800) of Greene County, GA > > being a son of Thomas DANIEL and Sarah BURNEY of NC, makes no sense > > whatsoever to me, if he married Elizabeth COFFEE, d/o Peter COFFEE. > > However, it does make sense if Charles's mother was a RANDLE and Thomas > was > > a VA DANIEL and not a NC DANIEL, which the BURNEY link seems to imply. > > > > Also note the many Charleston, SC connections in the family of William > > Coffee DANIEL (son of Charles and Elizabeth COFFEE of Greene County, > GA) -- > > he married a SCREVEN girl whose family was out of Charleston and > Charleston > > families are a big link in my bunch. Dr. William Coffee DANIEL I am pretty > > sure was the GA Senator William DANIEL of Savannah who interceded with the > > senate on behalf of the Methodist preacher, whom Judge L. Q. C. LAMAR of > > Milledgeville, GA had condemned to death in 1832, only to find out later, > he > > was innocent. Remember also, that Professor Winfield Montgomery RIVERS, > who > > married the widow of Robert W. DANIEL (my GGF), was living with Sarah > > Williamson Bird LAMAR, Judge LAMAR's widow, in Newton County, GA in 1850. > > > > As you will note, my DANIEL bunch of Burke, later Jefferson County, GA > > matches the profile of this bunch from Greene County, GA to a tee and one > of > > this Thomas and Sarah's kids of Greene County, GA were the > > great-grandparents of a girl, Mary Lou HUNTER, who married directly into > my > > RICHTER family in Madison, through the RALLS (also a VA family), COLEMANS > > and DANIEL of Greensboro, Greene County, GA. So, I am already connected > to > > this DANIEL bunch in Greene County, GA in one way but tis the other that > > interests me..... > > > > My bet is that my family of Burke County, GA is related in some way to > these > > Greene County, GA folks, either through Thomas and Sarah or through the > > CUNNINGHAM-DANIEL bunch. However, it could be a class thing and not a > > family thing. > > > > However, there is a pretty good possibility that my bunch had links to the > > Upper Neck area of VA, maybe even Augusta County, VA, which may explain > the > > RENEAU connection in this family. Also, Robert DANIELL's "O'DANIEL family > > of Fairfax County, VA" seems to be the only DANIEL related family that has > > links to both the names, ERWIN, TAYLOR and WISE, that I need for my bunch > in > > Burke County, GA to fly. We also know this O'DANIEL family was from > Fairfax > > County, VA, met the profile of my bunch and probably had many links into > the > > Upper Neck area of VA. They later migrated down to GA through NC and my > > DANIEL or DANIELL bunch may well be a part of this migration but we cannot > > find the name, Robert, in this bunch. > > > > I think the answer to my bunch may be in correcting the DANIEL families of > > Greene County, GA - both of them. I think they are cobbled up, as they > now > > stand, primarily because they do not make sense. > > > > John R. Clarke > > Thomasville, GA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 9:33 AM > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > > > > > > Yes I noticed. I remain interested in the Randle and Burney connections > and > > the will you mentioned. > > > > Payne > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 6:37 PM > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > > > > > > > Payne, > > > Did you happen to notice the given name, Charles, all over that > > DONELLY, > > > McDONALD and other DANIEL related information from Upper Neck and > Augusta > > > County, VA which I posted, yesterday? > > > I am still trying to figure out who this DONELLY bunch was but I > know > > > they are all over the LEWIS, CAMPBELL and CROW families of that area, a > > lot > > > of which later migrated into the OH territory. From what I do know, > this > > > bunch migrated from Scotland to Ireland and then to Botetourt County, > VA, > > > later Augusta County, VA. I would almost bet this DONELLY, or O'DONALD > as > > > they are sometimes referred to in these civil records, came with them, > > > before or after. > > > This DONELLY, O'DONALD or McDONALD family I think had links to the > > > Lancaster County, PA area or had ties to that area. I also think there > is > > a > > > good possibility they were probably tied in some way to that BOONES and > > > BRYAN bunch from that same general area. > > > The reason I ask about the name, Charles, is Charles is not a given > > name > > > in any of the families I know which later migrated into Greene and > Wilkes > > > County, GA. I cannot say these families in Augusta County, VA are > around > > > the CUNNINGHAMS of that area but they sure were in the same general > area, > > at > > > one point, and we know that bunch later migrated south into VA from PA. > > > I want to see that will of Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA, that > > > confirms the Charles DANIEL (1773-1803) who married Elizabeth COFFEE, > was > > a > > > son of Thomas DANIEL and Sarah BURNEY of Greene County, GA if someone > has > > > it. The given name, Charles, just does not fit this family nor does a > link > > > to the COFFEES. > > > The reason I say it does not fit is -- (1) These VA families tended > to > > > marry only into what were, once, VA families (2) These families married > > all > > > over each other -- cousins married cousins. > > > For Peter COFFEE to let his daughter break with tradition and marry > > into > > > a NC family does not match their profile at all, unless Thomas DANIEL > was > > > out of this same DANIEL line that came south with them and the > CUNNINHJAMS > > > from VA....... > > > If the latter, then I think Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA was > > > really married to a Sarah RANDLE, something that others have reported > > > because the RANDLE name is all over this bunch, later. If later, then > > > possibly, earlier, too........ > > > For what it is worth, I think the COFFEE/COFFEY family followed the > > > CUNNINGHAMS from Ireland to PA, then to PE County, VA and finally to > > Wilkes > > > and Greene County, GA. The HEARDS and even the FITZPATRICKS may have > been > > a > > > part of this group, too. > > > > > > <<<< > > > IE: > > > > > > Page 25.--26th February, 1762. Francis Tyler to Israel Christian, £40, > > > a negro slave Hanna. Teste: W. Christian, Charles Donelly. > > > > > > Page 305.--22d June, 1763. Daniel Harrison and Sarah to James Green, > > > £9, 100 acres in north fork of Linwell's Creek. Teste: James Gamwill, > > > Charles Donnelly. > > > > > > Page 289.--18th March, 1768. George Wilson and Elizabeth, of Hampshire, > > > to Charles Donnelly, £90, 234 acres by patent 10th August, 1759, on > > > Stewart's Creek above. Delivered to Charles Donnelly, March, 1778. > > > > > > MARCH 18, 1768 > > > (521) Commission ordered to privily examine Elizabeth, wife of George > > > Wilson, to deed to Charles Donnelly > > > > > > Page 106.--17th May, 1768. James Hugart's estate appraisement, by James > > > McCoy, Charles Donnerley, John Cartmill, recorded. > > > > > > MARCH 25, 1769 > > > (125) Charles Donnerly and John McCreery appointed surveyors of road > from > > > Capt. Charles Lewis's to, the Fork of Dickinson's Road. > > > > > > Page 219.--24th February, 1770. Patrick Davis and Esther to James > > > Millican, £30, 44 acres by patent dated 10th September, 1767, on > > > Cowpasture River. Teste: Charles Lewis, Charles and Andrew Donnelly. > > > Delivered: Andrew Donnelly, December, 1775. > > > > > > AUGUST 20, 1772 > > > (409) Charles Lewis qualified Lieutenant Colonel of County. > > > (411) Charles O'Donald, aged 17, orphan of Michael O'Donald, chose > Thomas > > > Stuart guardian. > > > > > > Page 9.--20th August, 1772. Thomas Stewart's bond (with George Mathews, > > > David Henderson) as guardian to Charles O'Donald, orphan of Michael > > > O'Donald. > > > > > > Page 182.--4th December, 1772. William Sitlington's estate appraised > > > by Charles Donelly, Ralph Laverty, William Reach--1 servant man > appraised > > > to Dorby Dedy, £18.00.0; 1 servant man. named Joseph, appraised > > > to Blackhouse £15.10.0; 1 servant man, named Augustine Picket, £14.00.0; > > > 1 servant man, named Richard, appraised to Edwards, £14.00.0; 1 servant > > > woman appraised to £12.00.0. > > > > > > Page 208.--8th October, 1781. Elizabeth (mark) dark's will--To daughter, > > > Jean Elliot's heirs; to well beloved Elizabeth Breath (Reath, Reoth?); > > > to daughter, Sarah Elliot; to daughter, Anne Dounlap; to daughter, > Margret > > > Clenkaid; to son, John Gridle; to son, James; to son, Alexander and > > > to Alexander's wife; to four daughters; to son, Samuel; to son, > William's > > > heirs; to son, Robert. Executors, son Robert Clark and William Reaoh. > > > Teste: Charles Donally, James McCleerey, Robt. Patterson, Geo. Berry. > > > Proved, 20th November, 1781, by McCleerey and Berry. Robert Clark > > > qualifies. > > > > > > Page 383.--25th October, 1781. Jane McCoy, of Greenbrier, widow and > > > sole executrix of James McCoy, to Andrew and Charles Donnerley, patented > > > 10th August, 1759, to said James on Stewart's Creek. Teste: Hugh > > > Brown, Andrew Sitlington, Nathan Crawford. > > > > > > > > > Page 308.--16th June, 1783. Mary (mark) Donnelly relinquishes her > > > right to administration on her husband's, Charles Donnelly's, estate and > > > nominates Andrew Donnelly, of Greenbrier, and her son, Andrew Donnelly. > > > Teste: James Bleake, William (mark) Gillespey. > > > > > > Page 308.--15th February, 1779. Charles Donnelly's will (of Cow > > > Pasture)--To wife, Mary; to daughters, Jean Bleake, Mary Brown; to other > > > four children, viz: Andrew, Charles, Ann, Catherine; to sons, Andrew and > > > Charles Donnally, Jr. Executrix, Mary and Col. Andrew Donnally and > > > son Andrew. Teste: James Bleke, John Gay, Wm. (mark) Gillespy. > > > Proved, 17th June, 1783, by Blake and Gillespy. Gay is since dead. The > > > two Andrews qualify. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. Clarke > > > Thomasville, GA > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 3:55 PM > > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > > > > > > > > > > Afternoon John and all, I have a puzzler. Even an "I think" or an "I > > told > > > > you so" will be appreciated. Payne > > > > > > > > The Peter Daniel who married Sarah/Sally Lofton has been assigned to > > > William > > > > Daniel and Martha Field Allen Daniel. This assignment and the > > possibility > > > > that he was Peter Mickelborough Daniel the son of Charles Daniel and > > Sarah > > > > Tate is questionable. Even though PMD has the same stats as the Peter > > > Daniel > > > > who was the s/o William and Martha, the Peter who was the son of > Charles > > > and > > > > Sarah was not the same individual. That Peter married Jane Ann > Mayfield > > > and > > > > Elizabeth Piner. Does all of this sound familiar : ) ? > > > > > > > > Now another scenerio. The Peter Daniel who was the son of David Daniel > > and > > > > Margaret Lynch was most likley the Peter who married Sally Lofton. > > There > > > > are many collateral ties between the Loftins and the Lynchs and the > > > Daniels > > > > of Davidson County to support this connection. Ref: Jersey Baptist > > Meeting > > > > House Records in Davidson County where Peter, Charity and Mary made > > > > applications in 1802. Had to be the son of David? > > > > > > > > Which Peter married Sally Lofton? We have at least two Peters sharing > > that > > > > distinction and both can't have the same date of birth, but they do? > > > > > > > > Peter Daniel (Is this fact or fiction) Father: William DANIEL b: 1740 > > in, > > > > Cumberland, Virginia - Mother: Pattie ALLEN b: Abt 1746 in Cumberland, > > > > Virginia - Marriage 1 Sarah LOFTON b: 1786 in, Montgomery, North > > Carolina > > > > Married: 28 MAR 1803 in Rowan, North Carolina - Sealing Spouse: 13 MAR > > > 1981 > > > > in OGDEN Children: 1. Drury DANIEL b: Abt 1809 in Rowan, North > Carolina. > > > 2. > > > > John T. DANIEL b: 1819 in Tennessee. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to > > > change your subscription method or email address or you have a > suggestion > > > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to > > > contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to > > change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion > > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to > > contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives > at: > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? 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Alas John, you are never at a loss for words. I reserve the right to change my web page anytime there is some good reason to do so. To me the mention that something is a mess in the context that you use it is bothersome. By whose standards do you judge someone's work since everything is not as neat and tidy as you would like. My web page changes that are Daniel-List driven aren't as frequent as you make out and come only after careful consultation with you, Jack, Mike, Robert, Joe, Ruth, Diane, Randy, etc., etc., etc. Additionally, many of my changes come about from sources that you and the List are unaware of. My work is a compilation from all sources and makes no claim to absolute authority. One researcher has asked me several pointed questions about my Caroline connection and the proof thereof. We will work on this inquiry out of the spot light and if there is something that needs to be brought to your attention as the Daniel List Master, we will. If I recall, it was not I who had to change his position on several issues such as the William Daniel who married Lucretia Bell and their connection to the O'Daniels. I don't think you are still comfortable with my Middlesex assignments, but be assured that I will at least consider your ideas, before I make any notable changes. Anyway, sometime today or tomorrow I am going to unsubscribe from the List until after Christmas. I need to do some reorganizing of my thoughts and respond to several inquiries that are time consuming. Be kind to me while I am away and if you think that something is a mess let me know. BTW, thanks for your thoughts on the Burney/Randle issue. MERRY CHRISTMAS ALL and stay in touch. The Old Fence Sitter in Tampa. Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > Payne, > Webster's defines "mess" as a "disorderly accumulation" among one of its > various meanings. From what I know about this particular DANIEL line, that > definition probably describes our knowledge of this DANIEL line about as > well as any descriptor I have ever seen affixed to any DANIEL line, unless > you are privy to something I am not. What was it you used to call part of > this DANIEL line -- the "Bill Brewer Questionable Line?" > As you know, I like things neat and orderly. I like families that marry > into the same families their cousins, aunts and uncles married into. Makes > things, like key assignment and family inter-family relationships, a little > easier to understand. Do you not agree? > As for your website, you seem to change things so often in the past > several years, I sometimes cannot always keep up with your current > assignments. One time I go to your website and you have this Daniel boy > assigned to one family and the next time I go to your website, you have him > assigned to some completely different DANIEL family. I can understand some > minor variations in family assignments, within a certain DANIEL family, but > I do not understand these changes when these variations cross family > boundaries. Early researchers were sometimes a little wrong on who a > particular boy or girl were a son of but they were usually in the right ball > park, even if they were not in the right section, row and aisle. > Several or more times a year I go to your website and try to reconcile > our differences, noting them to you, but when one has thousands and > thousands of DANIELS, as I do, it is hard to keep up with these changes, > especially to key assignments. > We have made some key assignment changes in the past several years. One > was the straightening out of the mess in the Middlesex bunch, i.e. James > DANIEL and Jane HICKS, Chesley DANIEL and Judith, et. al., as well as some > of the major changes in the Thomas DANIEL and Elizabeth line out of Tyrrell > County, NC and the Simon and Elizabeth line out of Edgecombe but some of the > changes I have seen recently on you website are completely outside of my > database. > Much of this put of different information into an apples and oranges > situation, sometimes. I see apples and you are talking about oranges. This > may be one of those times. > As for the BREWERS, I have lots of BREWERS tied to various families very > close to my DANIEL bunch. They are tied to the REIDS, WYCHES, WALTONS and > even to a maternal great-grand uncle, George M. DAME of Montgomery County, > GA. The DAMES lived in Middlesex County, VA before migrating to Dodge > County, GA. The WYCHES, WALTONS and REIDS are all over my paternal Morgan > County, GA family, which includes the DANIELS. > I have looked at this COLEMAN-DANIEL line, very closely in the past, > because of the Eden COLEMAN who ties into the Thomas DANIEL and Sarah > BURNEY/RANDLE line in Greene County, GA. I assume you still have this > "Bill Brewer Questionable Line" tied to the William DANIEL and Elizabeth > COLEMAN out of Caroline County, VA? Anyway, that was where it was the > last time I reconciled my information against yours and assume it is still > there. Regardless, that is where I have it in my information. If you have > moved it to another DANIEL family or sub-family, please advise, because I > like for our key assignment information to agree. > We both know the SNEADS went to KY and any family that usually went to > KY had a good chance to floating across the Ohio River into either OH, IN or > IL. I have nothing against being related to the SNEADS, at all. Swinging > Sammy and I were born on the same day, the 27th of May, and we are both > pretty good golfers. <grin> I do not even have anything against being > related to the GILBERTS, another KY family, either. Larry GILBERT and I > played a round a few years ago and he beat me one stroke on the last hole > but I did not hold it against him. <grin> Larry was a nice fellow and a > gentleman, as I assume Sammy was, and the world is lesser place for their > passing. > Do not think that I did not read about the Sen. Strom THURMAN situation > with some degree of apprehension, especially since two of the surnames > listed for two of his nieces were identical to those of close families and > especially since one of the daughters of one of my great-grand uncles, a > RENO, married a THURMAN. Nor the fact I have some family pictures taken in > the 1850's in this same RENEAU family that don't look exactly Kosher. > <grin> I thought this may have been something only attributable to that one > RENO family until a cousin told me she had similar pictures in her family > albums from the same period. We all know this kind of stuff went on in the > days before the Civil War and I assume at least as late as 1924 in SC. > <grin> > As for facts, I wish I had some to offer you on the RANDLE-BURNEY > possibilities, but I do not. I can only say, if the mother of the children > of Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA was a Sarah BURNEY, the d/o Simon, Sr. > and Elizabeth HARDY, then that points to Eastern NC for his origins. If she > was a RANDLE, a real possibility, that points to VA for his origins, so take > your pick. My best guess is she was a RANDLE but I have his wife, > currently, as Sarah BURNEY........ > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 9:34 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > > > Morning John , I am pleased that you visit my web site and find items of > interest to share with the List. Howsoever: > > Joe Daniel and I put the "Bill Brewer" line where it is after some > consultation with Bill. "Cobbled Up", even Bill is not 100% happy with the > assignment, but a mess in his work, I can't buy that. If you have some > constructive input to help us clear up the so called mess??, please let us > know in detail. > > So far I subscribe to the position that Burney and Randall gals were married > to Thomas Daniel. When I review your most recent ideas about that > possibility, I may change my mind. We need some facts man! > > Aha, TV basket ball today to cleanse the little gray cells from all this > genealogical morass. I am a DUKIE and Robert is a GATOR, so John bring on > the DAWGS. > > Talk to ya'll later. Payne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 1:03 PM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > > > > Payne, > > One researcher has Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA married to a > Sarah > > RANDLE and Sarah BURNEY with the kids being shown as the children of Sarah > > BURNEY. They also have this Thomas the son of William DANIEL and > Elizabeth > > COLEMAN of Caroline County, VA. What a cobbled up line, that is - that is > > the Bill BREWER line and talk about a mess, that is it..... > > It almost seems that some, when they cannot put their known ancestor > > with a specific line, they find the line with the most question marks and > > "bingo," they have an instant ancestor. <grin> I think there were > probably > > two Thomas DANIELS in Greene County -- one, a part of that Kelso-Daniel > line > > and another from NC. One married a RANDLE and one married a BURNEY. > > The only possibility is that BURNEY was not BURNEY but BIRNEY and > > floated out of that Northern VA and Maryland BIRNEY family. I know that > > part of that family migrated from MD/PA/VA to KY and then back into > Northern > > Alabama. Because of their opposition to slavery they later peddled their > > way back north to the Washington, DC area. > > This BIRNEY family is tied to my bunch - the son of General William > > BIRNEY and Catherine HOFFMAN of Prince Frederick County, MD, Theodore Weld > > BIRNEY (1854-1897), married my second cousin, Alice Josephine McCLELLAN > > (1858-1907) in 1892 as her second husband. Her mother was a TATUM and > her > > grandmother a POTTER, a younger sister of my GGM, Anne Eliza POTTER. > Alice > > also married a WHITE from Charleston, SC as her first husband but is most > > remembered for her latter marriage and name, Alice McClellan BIRNEY.. > > This was why I made the note about the McCLELLANDS of Augusta County, > VA > > in the note about the McDONALDS, O'DONALDS and DONNELLYS the other day. > The > > spelling of their name was butchered by civil servants, too.. > > I do not know about this bunch in Greene County, GA. A lot of their > > links do not make sense but they are tied all over the FITZPATRICKS and > any > > family tied to that bunch has links back to Goochland, Cumberland, > Fauquier > > and even Augusta County, VA. > > I know I am starting to see a pattern here that makes sense. This > > Thomas could be a Woodson-Daniel descendant or he could be a part of that > > Kelso-Daniel bunch. I do not know but I would like to look at the > > possibility they are all related. This is the simplest solution but that > > may not be the case. > > In fact, one of these may be a DONALD, McDONALD, DONALDSON, DONELLY or > > something along these lines and to make things simple down in Greene > County, > > they just shortened their name to DANIEL. Regardless, they all seem to be > > of the same financial and educational profiles. > > If I was going to guess, I would say that one of these Greene County, > > GA families was out of Lancaster, PA and/or Frederick County, MD area and > > was originally a McDONALD, DONELLY, O'DONALD or something along those > lines, > > which is why we cannot trace them back as a DANIEL. My bet is McDONALD > and > > the name change occurred around the time of the RW because of the Loyalist > > McDONALD family. In fact, some of this bunch may have been loyalists and > > dumped the name and took up DANIEL to keep this association out of > > subsequent generations. > > Personally, I never understand why the CUNNINGHAMS kept their name > since > > the "Butcher of SC" was a CUNNINGHAM and these folks in Greene County, GA > > had to know the hard feelings this name had for many who also migrated > from > > SC to GA in the years after the RW. This may account for the reason the > > CUNNINGHAMS married "so close" - none of the other folks in the area would > > have anything to do with them. You know the South, as I do -- hard > feelings > > and family hatreds linger on for years, regardless of how much money you > > have. <grin> > > > > John R. Clarke > > Thomasville, GA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:32 AM > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > > > > > > Can we have the best of both worlds. That is, Thomas was married to both > > gals. What stats do you have on the Burney gal and likewise on the Randall > > gal? Can they co-mingle in a relationship with Thomas? I enjoyed your > > possibilities and I will keep chewing on this stuff. > > > > Thanks to John and Mike for their thoughts on my Peter Daniel delema and > to > > those of you who chipped in on my Marmaduke study. > > > > Lunch time ya'll. Payne > > > > "The supreme irony of life is that hardly anyone gets out of it alive." > > -- Robert Heinlein, "Job", 1984 > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:29 AM > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > > > > > > > Well, Payne, you know how I closely watch family associations in these > > > DANIEL families and Charles DANIEL (1773-ABT 1800) of Greene County, GA > > > being a son of Thomas DANIEL and Sarah BURNEY of NC, makes no sense > > > whatsoever to me, if he married Elizabeth COFFEE, d/o Peter COFFEE. > > > However, it does make sense if Charles's mother was a RANDLE and Thomas > > was > > > a VA DANIEL and not a NC DANIEL, which the BURNEY link seems to imply. > > > > > > Also note the many Charleston, SC connections in the family of William > > > Coffee DANIEL (son of Charles and Elizabeth COFFEE of Greene County, > > GA) -- > > > he married a SCREVEN girl whose family was out of Charleston and > > Charleston > > > families are a big link in my bunch. Dr. William Coffee DANIEL I am > pretty > > > sure was the GA Senator William DANIEL of Savannah who interceded with > the > > > senate on behalf of the Methodist preacher, whom Judge L. Q. C. LAMAR of > > > Milledgeville, GA had condemned to death in 1832, only to find out > later, > > he > > > was innocent. Remember also, that Professor Winfield Montgomery RIVERS, > > who > > > married the widow of Robert W. DANIEL (my GGF), was living with Sarah > > > Williamson Bird LAMAR, Judge LAMAR's widow, in Newton County, GA in > 1850. > > > > > > As you will note, my DANIEL bunch of Burke, later Jefferson County, GA > > > matches the profile of this bunch from Greene County, GA to a tee and > one > > of > > > this Thomas and Sarah's kids of Greene County, GA were the > > > great-grandparents of a girl, Mary Lou HUNTER, who married directly into > > my > > > RICHTER family in Madison, through the RALLS (also a VA family), > COLEMANS > > > and DANIEL of Greensboro, Greene County, GA. So, I am already connected > > to > > > this DANIEL bunch in Greene County, GA in one way but tis the other that > > > interests me..... > > > > > > My bet is that my family of Burke County, GA is related in some way to > > these > > > Greene County, GA folks, either through Thomas and Sarah or through the > > > CUNNINGHAM-DANIEL bunch. However, it could be a class thing and not a > > > family thing. > > > > > > However, there is a pretty good possibility that my bunch had links to > the > > > Upper Neck area of VA, maybe even Augusta County, VA, which may explain > > the > > > RENEAU connection in this family. Also, Robert DANIELL's "O'DANIEL > family > > > of Fairfax County, VA" seems to be the only DANIEL related family that > has > > > links to both the names, ERWIN, TAYLOR and WISE, that I need for my > bunch > > in > > > Burke County, GA to fly. We also know this O'DANIEL family was from > > Fairfax > > > County, VA, met the profile of my bunch and probably had many links into > > the > > > Upper Neck area of VA. They later migrated down to GA through NC and my > > > DANIEL or DANIELL bunch may well be a part of this migration but we > cannot > > > find the name, Robert, in this bunch. > > > > > > I think the answer to my bunch may be in correcting the DANIEL families > of > > > Greene County, GA - both of them. I think they are cobbled up, as they > > now > > > stand, primarily because they do not make sense. > > > > > > John R. Clarke > > > Thomasville, GA > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 9:33 AM > > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > > > > > > > > > Yes I noticed. I remain interested in the Randle and Burney connections > > and > > > the will you mentioned. > > > > > > Payne > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 6:37 PM > > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > > > > > > > > > > Payne, > > > > Did you happen to notice the given name, Charles, all over that > > > DONELLY, > > > > McDONALD and other DANIEL related information from Upper Neck and > > Augusta > > > > County, VA which I posted, yesterday? > > > > I am still trying to figure out who this DONELLY bunch was but I > > know > > > > they are all over the LEWIS, CAMPBELL and CROW families of that area, > a > > > lot > > > > of which later migrated into the OH territory. From what I do know, > > this > > > > bunch migrated from Scotland to Ireland and then to Botetourt County, > > VA, > > > > later Augusta County, VA. I would almost bet this DONELLY, or > O'DONALD > > as > > > > they are sometimes referred to in these civil records, came with them, > > > > before or after. > > > > This DONELLY, O'DONALD or McDONALD family I think had links to the > > > > Lancaster County, PA area or had ties to that area. I also think > there > > is > > > a > > > > good possibility they were probably tied in some way to that BOONES > and > > > > BRYAN bunch from that same general area. > > > > The reason I ask about the name, Charles, is Charles is not a > given > > > name > > > > in any of the families I know which later migrated into Greene and > > Wilkes > > > > County, GA. I cannot say these families in Augusta County, VA are > > around > > > > the CUNNINGHAMS of that area but they sure were in the same general > > area, > > > at > > > > one point, and we know that bunch later migrated south into VA from > PA. > > > > I want to see that will of Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA, > that > > > > confirms the Charles DANIEL (1773-1803) who married Elizabeth COFFEE, > > was > > > a > > > > son of Thomas DANIEL and Sarah BURNEY of Greene County, GA if someone > > has > > > > it. The given name, Charles, just does not fit this family nor does a > > link > > > > to the COFFEES. > > > > The reason I say it does not fit is -- (1) These VA families > tended > > to > > > > marry only into what were, once, VA families (2) These families > married > > > all > > > > over each other -- cousins married cousins. > > > > For Peter COFFEE to let his daughter break with tradition and > marry > > > into > > > > a NC family does not match their profile at all, unless Thomas DANIEL > > was > > > > out of this same DANIEL line that came south with them and the > > CUNNINHJAMS > > > > from VA....... > > > > If the latter, then I think Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA was > > > > really married to a Sarah RANDLE, something that others have reported > > > > because the RANDLE name is all over this bunch, later. If later, then > > > > possibly, earlier, too........ > > > > For what it is worth, I think the COFFEE/COFFEY family followed > the > > > > CUNNINGHAMS from Ireland to PA, then to PE County, VA and finally to > > > Wilkes > > > > and Greene County, GA. The HEARDS and even the FITZPATRICKS may have > > been > > > a > > > > part of this group, too. > > > > > > > > <<<< > > > > IE: > > > > > > > > Page 25.--26th February, 1762. Francis Tyler to Israel Christian, £40, > > > > a negro slave Hanna. Teste: W. Christian, Charles Donelly. > > > > > > > > Page 305.--22d June, 1763. Daniel Harrison and Sarah to James Green, > > > > £9, 100 acres in north fork of Linwell's Creek. Teste: James Gamwill, > > > > Charles Donnelly. > > > > > > > > Page 289.--18th March, 1768. George Wilson and Elizabeth, of > Hampshire, > > > > to Charles Donnelly, £90, 234 acres by patent 10th August, 1759, on > > > > Stewart's Creek above. Delivered to Charles Donnelly, March, 1778. > > > > > > > > MARCH 18, 1768 > > > > (521) Commission ordered to privily examine Elizabeth, wife of George > > > > Wilson, to deed to Charles Donnelly > > > > > > > > Page 106.--17th May, 1768. James Hugart's estate appraisement, by > James > > > > McCoy, Charles Donnerley, John Cartmill, recorded. > > > > > > > > MARCH 25, 1769 > > > > (125) Charles Donnerly and John McCreery appointed surveyors of road > > from > > > > Capt. Charles Lewis's to, the Fork of Dickinson's Road. > > > > > > > > Page 219.--24th February, 1770. Patrick Davis and Esther to James > > > > Millican, £30, 44 acres by patent dated 10th September, 1767, on > > > > Cowpasture River. Teste: Charles Lewis, Charles and Andrew Donnelly. > > > > Delivered: Andrew Donnelly, December, 1775. > > > > > > > > AUGUST 20, 1772 > > > > (409) Charles Lewis qualified Lieutenant Colonel of County. > > > > (411) Charles O'Donald, aged 17, orphan of Michael O'Donald, chose > > Thomas > > > > Stuart guardian. > > > > > > > > Page 9.--20th August, 1772. Thomas Stewart's bond (with George > Mathews, > > > > David Henderson) as guardian to Charles O'Donald, orphan of Michael > > > > O'Donald. > > > > > > > > Page 182.--4th December, 1772. William Sitlington's estate appraised > > > > by Charles Donelly, Ralph Laverty, William Reach--1 servant man > > appraised > > > > to Dorby Dedy, £18.00.0; 1 servant man. named Joseph, appraised > > > > to Blackhouse £15.10.0; 1 servant man, named Augustine Picket, > £14.00.0; > > > > 1 servant man, named Richard, appraised to Edwards, £14.00.0; 1 > servant > > > > woman appraised to £12.00.0. > > > > > > > > Page 208.--8th October, 1781. Elizabeth (mark) dark's will--To > daughter, > > > > Jean Elliot's heirs; to well beloved Elizabeth Breath (Reath, Reoth?); > > > > to daughter, Sarah Elliot; to daughter, Anne Dounlap; to daughter, > > Margret > > > > Clenkaid; to son, John Gridle; to son, James; to son, Alexander and > > > > to Alexander's wife; to four daughters; to son, Samuel; to son, > > William's > > > > heirs; to son, Robert. Executors, son Robert Clark and William Reaoh. > > > > Teste: Charles Donally, James McCleerey, Robt. Patterson, Geo. Berry. > > > > Proved, 20th November, 1781, by McCleerey and Berry. Robert Clark > > > > qualifies. > > > > > > > > Page 383.--25th October, 1781. Jane McCoy, of Greenbrier, widow and > > > > sole executrix of James McCoy, to Andrew and Charles Donnerley, > patented > > > > 10th August, 1759, to said James on Stewart's Creek. Teste: Hugh > > > > Brown, Andrew Sitlington, Nathan Crawford. > > > > > > > > > > > > Page 308.--16th June, 1783. Mary (mark) Donnelly relinquishes her > > > > right to administration on her husband's, Charles Donnelly's, estate > and > > > > nominates Andrew Donnelly, of Greenbrier, and her son, Andrew > Donnelly. > > > > Teste: James Bleake, William (mark) Gillespey. > > > > > > > > Page 308.--15th February, 1779. Charles Donnelly's will (of Cow > > > > Pasture)--To wife, Mary; to daughters, Jean Bleake, Mary Brown; to > other > > > > four children, viz: Andrew, Charles, Ann, Catherine; to sons, Andrew > and > > > > Charles Donnally, Jr. Executrix, Mary and Col. Andrew Donnally and > > > > son Andrew. Teste: James Bleke, John Gay, Wm. (mark) Gillespy. > > > > Proved, 17th June, 1783, by Blake and Gillespy. Gay is since dead. The > > > > two Andrews qualify. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. Clarke > > > > Thomasville, GA > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> > > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 3:55 PM > > > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > > > > > > > > > > > > > Afternoon John and all, I have a puzzler. Even an "I think" or an "I > > > told > > > > > you so" will be appreciated. Payne > > > > > > > > > > The Peter Daniel who married Sarah/Sally Lofton has been assigned to > > > > William > > > > > Daniel and Martha Field Allen Daniel. This assignment and the > > > possibility > > > > > that he was Peter Mickelborough Daniel the son of Charles Daniel and > > > Sarah > > > > > Tate is questionable. Even though PMD has the same stats as the > Peter > > > > Daniel > > > > > who was the s/o William and Martha, the Peter who was the son of > > Charles > > > > and > > > > > Sarah was not the same individual. That Peter married Jane Ann > > Mayfield > > > > and > > > > > Elizabeth Piner. Does all of this sound familiar : ) ? > > > > > > > > > > Now another scenerio. The Peter Daniel who was the son of David > Daniel > > > and > > > > > Margaret Lynch was most likley the Peter who married Sally Lofton. > > > There > > > > > are many collateral ties between the Loftins and the Lynchs and the > > > > Daniels > > > > > of Davidson County to support this connection. Ref: Jersey Baptist > > > Meeting > > > > > House Records in Davidson County where Peter, Charity and Mary made > > > > > applications in 1802. Had to be the son of David? > > > > > > > > > > Which Peter married Sally Lofton? We have at least two Peters > sharing > > > that > > > > > distinction and both can't have the same date of birth, but they do? > > > > > > > > > > Peter Daniel (Is this fact or fiction) Father: William DANIEL b: > 1740 > > > in, > > > > > Cumberland, Virginia - Mother: Pattie ALLEN b: Abt 1746 in > Cumberland, > > > > > Virginia - Marriage 1 Sarah LOFTON b: 1786 in, Montgomery, North > > > Carolina > > > > > Married: 28 MAR 1803 in Rowan, North Carolina - Sealing Spouse: 13 > MAR > > > > 1981 > > > > > in OGDEN Children: 1. Drury DANIEL b: Abt 1809 in Rowan, North > > Carolina. > > > > 2. > > > > > John T. DANIEL b: 1819 in Tennessee. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > > > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like > to > > > > change your subscription method or email address or you have a > > suggestion > > > > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free > to > > > > contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to > > > change your subscription method or email address or you have a > suggestion > > > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to > > > contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives > > at: > > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? 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And I, John, would like an explanation of the comment.."Bill Brewer's Questionable Line?" What is questionable or messy about my line? As I said in my last message to you, I have documentation of everything back to Benjamin Daniel being a son of William Daniel and Mary Snead. What is questionable about it. We don't know WHICH William Daniel, but I've made that very clear. Yes, some of the Sneads and Daniels went to Kentucky (along with the Browns, Mundays, and Noels), and yes, my branch of the Daniel family eventually ended up in Madison, Indiana. I don't know what your point was about that, but it did happen. Bill Brewer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 6:57 AM Subject: [DANIEL-L] The Old Fence Sitter > Alas John, you are never at a loss for words. I reserve the right to change > my web page anytime there is some good reason to do so. To me the mention > that something is a mess in the context that you use it is bothersome. By > whose standards do you judge someone's work since everything is not as neat > and tidy as you would like. My web page changes that are Daniel-List driven > aren't as frequent as you make out and come only after careful consultation > with you, Jack, Mike, Robert, Joe, Ruth, Diane, Randy, etc., etc., etc. > > Additionally, many of my changes come about from sources that you and the > List are unaware of. My work is a compilation from all sources and makes no > claim to absolute authority. One researcher has asked me several pointed > questions about my Caroline connection and the proof thereof. We will work > on this inquiry out of the spot light and if there is something that needs > to be brought to your attention as the Daniel List Master, we will. > > If I recall, it was not I who had to change his position on several issues > such as the William Daniel who married Lucretia Bell and their connection to > the O'Daniels. I don't think you are still comfortable with my Middlesex > assignments, but be assured that I will at least consider your ideas, before > I make any notable changes. > > Anyway, sometime today or tomorrow I am going to unsubscribe from the List > until after Christmas. I need to do some reorganizing of my thoughts and > respond to several inquiries that are time consuming. Be kind to me while I > am away and if you think that something is a mess let me know. > > BTW, thanks for your thoughts on the Burney/Randle issue. > > MERRY CHRISTMAS ALL and stay in touch. > > The Old Fence Sitter in Tampa. Payne > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:27 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > > > > Payne, > > Webster's defines "mess" as a "disorderly accumulation" among one of > its > > various meanings. From what I know about this particular DANIEL line, > that > > definition probably describes our knowledge of this DANIEL line about as > > well as any descriptor I have ever seen affixed to any DANIEL line, unless > > you are privy to something I am not. What was it you used to call part of > > this DANIEL line -- the "Bill Brewer Questionable Line?" > > As you know, I like things neat and orderly. I like families that > marry > > into the same families their cousins, aunts and uncles married into. > Makes > > things, like key assignment and family inter-family relationships, a > little > > easier to understand. Do you not agree? > > As for your website, you seem to change things so often in the past > > several years, I sometimes cannot always keep up with your current > > assignments. One time I go to your website and you have this Daniel boy > > assigned to one family and the next time I go to your website, you have > him > > assigned to some completely different DANIEL family. I can understand > some > > minor variations in family assignments, within a certain DANIEL family, > but > > I do not understand these changes when these variations cross family > > boundaries. Early researchers were sometimes a little wrong on who a > > particular boy or girl were a son of but they were usually in the right > ball > > park, even if they were not in the right section, row and aisle. > > Several or more times a year I go to your website and try to reconcile > > our differences, noting them to you, but when one has thousands and > > thousands of DANIELS, as I do, it is hard to keep up with these changes, > > especially to key assignments. > > We have made some key assignment changes in the past several years. > One > > was the straightening out of the mess in the Middlesex bunch, i.e. James > > DANIEL and Jane HICKS, Chesley DANIEL and Judith, et. al., as well as some > > of the major changes in the Thomas DANIEL and Elizabeth line out of > Tyrrell > > County, NC and the Simon and Elizabeth line out of Edgecombe but some of > the > > changes I have seen recently on you website are completely outside of my > > database. > > Much of this put of different information into an apples and oranges > > situation, sometimes. I see apples and you are talking about oranges. > This > > may be one of those times. > > As for the BREWERS, I have lots of BREWERS tied to various families > very > > close to my DANIEL bunch. They are tied to the REIDS, WYCHES, WALTONS and > > even to a maternal great-grand uncle, George M. DAME of Montgomery County, > > GA. The DAMES lived in Middlesex County, VA before migrating to Dodge > > County, GA. The WYCHES, WALTONS and REIDS are all over my paternal Morgan > > County, GA family, which includes the DANIELS. > > I have looked at this COLEMAN-DANIEL line, very closely in the past, > > because of the Eden COLEMAN who ties into the Thomas DANIEL and Sarah > > BURNEY/RANDLE line in Greene County, GA. I assume you still have this > > "Bill Brewer Questionable Line" tied to the William DANIEL and Elizabeth > > COLEMAN out of Caroline County, VA? Anyway, that was where it was the > > last time I reconciled my information against yours and assume it is still > > there. Regardless, that is where I have it in my information. If you > have > > moved it to another DANIEL family or sub-family, please advise, because I > > like for our key assignment information to agree. > > We both know the SNEADS went to KY and any family that usually went to > > KY had a good chance to floating across the Ohio River into either OH, IN > or > > IL. I have nothing against being related to the SNEADS, at all. Swinging > > Sammy and I were born on the same day, the 27th of May, and we are both > > pretty good golfers. <grin> I do not even have anything against being > > related to the GILBERTS, another KY family, either. Larry GILBERT and I > > played a round a few years ago and he beat me one stroke on the last hole > > but I did not hold it against him. <grin> Larry was a nice fellow and a > > gentleman, as I assume Sammy was, and the world is lesser place for their > > passing. > > Do not think that I did not read about the Sen. Strom THURMAN > situation > > with some degree of apprehension, especially since two of the surnames > > listed for two of his nieces were identical to those of close families and > > especially since one of the daughters of one of my great-grand uncles, a > > RENO, married a THURMAN. Nor the fact I have some family pictures taken > in > > the 1850's in this same RENEAU family that don't look exactly Kosher. > > <grin> I thought this may have been something only attributable to that > one > > RENO family until a cousin told me she had similar pictures in her family > > albums from the same period. We all know this kind of stuff went on in > the > > days before the Civil War and I assume at least as late as 1924 in SC. > > <grin> > > As for facts, I wish I had some to offer you on the RANDLE-BURNEY > > possibilities, but I do not. I can only say, if the mother of the > children > > of Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA was a Sarah BURNEY, the d/o Simon, > Sr. > > and Elizabeth HARDY, then that points to Eastern NC for his origins. If > she > > was a RANDLE, a real possibility, that points to VA for his origins, so > take > > your pick. My best guess is she was a RANDLE but I have his wife, > > currently, as Sarah BURNEY........ > > > > John R. Clarke > > Thomasville, GA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 9:34 AM > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > > > > > > Morning John , I am pleased that you visit my web site and find items of > > interest to share with the List. Howsoever: > > > > Joe Daniel and I put the "Bill Brewer" line where it is after some > > consultation with Bill. "Cobbled Up", even Bill is not 100% happy with the > > assignment, but a mess in his work, I can't buy that. If you have some > > constructive input to help us clear up the so called mess??, please let us > > know in detail. > > > > So far I subscribe to the position that Burney and Randall gals were > married > > to Thomas Daniel. When I review your most recent ideas about that > > possibility, I may change my mind. We need some facts man! > > > > Aha, TV basket ball today to cleanse the little gray cells from all this > > genealogical morass. I am a DUKIE and Robert is a GATOR, so John bring on > > the DAWGS. > > > > Talk to ya'll later. Payne > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 1:03 PM > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > > > > > > > Payne, > > > One researcher has Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA married to a > > Sarah > > > RANDLE and Sarah BURNEY with the kids being shown as the children of > Sarah > > > BURNEY. They also have this Thomas the son of William DANIEL and > > Elizabeth > > > COLEMAN of Caroline County, VA. What a cobbled up line, that is - that > is > > > the Bill BREWER line and talk about a mess, that is it..... > > > It almost seems that some, when they cannot put their known ancestor > > > with a specific line, they find the line with the most question marks > and > > > "bingo," they have an instant ancestor. <grin> I think there were > > probably > > > two Thomas DANIELS in Greene County -- one, a part of that Kelso-Daniel > > line > > > and another from NC. One married a RANDLE and one married a BURNEY. > > > The only possibility is that BURNEY was not BURNEY but BIRNEY and > > > floated out of that Northern VA and Maryland BIRNEY family. I know that > > > part of that family migrated from MD/PA/VA to KY and then back into > > Northern > > > Alabama. Because of their opposition to slavery they later peddled > their > > > way back north to the Washington, DC area. > > > This BIRNEY family is tied to my bunch - the son of General William > > > BIRNEY and Catherine HOFFMAN of Prince Frederick County, MD, Theodore > Weld > > > BIRNEY (1854-1897), married my second cousin, Alice Josephine McCLELLAN > > > (1858-1907) in 1892 as her second husband. Her mother was a TATUM and > > her > > > grandmother a POTTER, a younger sister of my GGM, Anne Eliza POTTER. > > Alice > > > also married a WHITE from Charleston, SC as her first husband but is > most > > > remembered for her latter marriage and name, Alice McClellan BIRNEY.. > > > This was why I made the note about the McCLELLANDS of Augusta > County, > > VA > > > in the note about the McDONALDS, O'DONALDS and DONNELLYS the other day. > > The > > > spelling of their name was butchered by civil servants, too.. > > > I do not know about this bunch in Greene County, GA. A lot of their > > > links do not make sense but they are tied all over the FITZPATRICKS and > > any > > > family tied to that bunch has links back to Goochland, Cumberland, > > Fauquier > > > and even Augusta County, VA. > > > I know I am starting to see a pattern here that makes sense. This > > > Thomas could be a Woodson-Daniel descendant or he could be a part of > that > > > Kelso-Daniel bunch. I do not know but I would like to look at the > > > possibility they are all related. This is the simplest solution but > that > > > may not be the case. > > > In fact, one of these may be a DONALD, McDONALD, DONALDSON, DONELLY > or > > > something along these lines and to make things simple down in Greene > > County, > > > they just shortened their name to DANIEL. Regardless, they all seem to > be > > > of the same financial and educational profiles. > > > If I was going to guess, I would say that one of these Greene > County, > > > GA families was out of Lancaster, PA and/or Frederick County, MD area > and > > > was originally a McDONALD, DONELLY, O'DONALD or something along those > > lines, > > > which is why we cannot trace them back as a DANIEL. My bet is McDONALD > > and > > > the name change occurred around the time of the RW because of the > Loyalist > > > McDONALD family. In fact, some of this bunch may have been loyalists > and > > > dumped the name and took up DANIEL to keep this association out of > > > subsequent generations. > > > Personally, I never understand why the CUNNINGHAMS kept their name > > since > > > the "Butcher of SC" was a CUNNINGHAM and these folks in Greene County, > GA > > > had to know the hard feelings this name had for many who also migrated > > from > > > SC to GA in the years after the RW. This may account for the reason the > > > CUNNINGHAMS married "so close" - none of the other folks in the area > would > > > have anything to do with them. You know the South, as I do -- hard > > feelings > > > and family hatreds linger on for years, regardless of how much money you > > > have. <grin> > > > > > > John R. Clarke > > > Thomasville, GA > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:32 AM > > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > > > > > > > > > Can we have the best of both worlds. That is, Thomas was married to both > > > gals. What stats do you have on the Burney gal and likewise on the > Randall > > > gal? Can they co-mingle in a relationship with Thomas? I enjoyed your > > > possibilities and I will keep chewing on this stuff. > > > > > > Thanks to John and Mike for their thoughts on my Peter Daniel delema and > > to > > > those of you who chipped in on my Marmaduke study. > > > > > > Lunch time ya'll. Payne > > > > > > "The supreme irony of life is that hardly anyone gets out of it alive." > > > -- Robert Heinlein, "Job", 1984 > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:29 AM > > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > > > > > > > > > > Well, Payne, you know how I closely watch family associations in these > > > > DANIEL families and Charles DANIEL (1773-ABT 1800) of Greene County, > GA > > > > being a son of Thomas DANIEL and Sarah BURNEY of NC, makes no sense > > > > whatsoever to me, if he married Elizabeth COFFEE, d/o Peter COFFEE. > > > > However, it does make sense if Charles's mother was a RANDLE and > Thomas > > > was > > > > a VA DANIEL and not a NC DANIEL, which the BURNEY link seems to imply. > > > > > > > > Also note the many Charleston, SC connections in the family of William > > > > Coffee DANIEL (son of Charles and Elizabeth COFFEE of Greene County, > > > GA) -- > > > > he married a SCREVEN girl whose family was out of Charleston and > > > Charleston > > > > families are a big link in my bunch. Dr. William Coffee DANIEL I am > > pretty > > > > sure was the GA Senator William DANIEL of Savannah who interceded with > > the > > > > senate on behalf of the Methodist preacher, whom Judge L. Q. C. LAMAR > of > > > > Milledgeville, GA had condemned to death in 1832, only to find out > > later, > > > he > > > > was innocent. Remember also, that Professor Winfield Montgomery > RIVERS, > > > who > > > > married the widow of Robert W. DANIEL (my GGF), was living with Sarah > > > > Williamson Bird LAMAR, Judge LAMAR's widow, in Newton County, GA in > > 1850. > > > > > > > > As you will note, my DANIEL bunch of Burke, later Jefferson County, GA > > > > matches the profile of this bunch from Greene County, GA to a tee and > > one > > > of > > > > this Thomas and Sarah's kids of Greene County, GA were the > > > > great-grandparents of a girl, Mary Lou HUNTER, who married directly > into > > > my > > > > RICHTER family in Madison, through the RALLS (also a VA family), > > COLEMANS > > > > and DANIEL of Greensboro, Greene County, GA. So, I am already > connected > > > to > > > > this DANIEL bunch in Greene County, GA in one way but tis the other > that > > > > interests me..... > > > > > > > > My bet is that my family of Burke County, GA is related in some way to > > > these > > > > Greene County, GA folks, either through Thomas and Sarah or through > the > > > > CUNNINGHAM-DANIEL bunch. However, it could be a class thing and not a > > > > family thing. > > > > > > > > However, there is a pretty good possibility that my bunch had links to > > the > > > > Upper Neck area of VA, maybe even Augusta County, VA, which may > explain > > > the > > > > RENEAU connection in this family. Also, Robert DANIELL's "O'DANIEL > > family > > > > of Fairfax County, VA" seems to be the only DANIEL related family that > > has > > > > links to both the names, ERWIN, TAYLOR and WISE, that I need for my > > bunch > > > in > > > > Burke County, GA to fly. We also know this O'DANIEL family was from > > > Fairfax > > > > County, VA, met the profile of my bunch and probably had many links > into > > > the > > > > Upper Neck area of VA. They later migrated down to GA through NC and > my > > > > DANIEL or DANIELL bunch may well be a part of this migration but we > > cannot > > > > find the name, Robert, in this bunch. > > > > > > > > I think the answer to my bunch may be in correcting the DANIEL > families > > of > > > > Greene County, GA - both of them. I think they are cobbled up, as > they > > > now > > > > stand, primarily because they do not make sense. > > > > > > > > John R. Clarke > > > > Thomasville, GA > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> > > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 9:33 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I noticed. I remain interested in the Randle and Burney > connections > > > and > > > > the will you mentioned. > > > > > > > > Payne > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 6:37 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > > > > > > > > > > > > > Payne, > > > > > Did you happen to notice the given name, Charles, all over that > > > > DONELLY, > > > > > McDONALD and other DANIEL related information from Upper Neck and > > > Augusta > > > > > County, VA which I posted, yesterday? > > > > > I am still trying to figure out who this DONELLY bunch was but I > > > know > > > > > they are all over the LEWIS, CAMPBELL and CROW families of that > area, > > a > > > > lot > > > > > of which later migrated into the OH territory. From what I do know, > > > this > > > > > bunch migrated from Scotland to Ireland and then to Botetourt > County, > > > VA, > > > > > later Augusta County, VA. I would almost bet this DONELLY, or > > O'DONALD > > > as > > > > > they are sometimes referred to in these civil records, came with > them, > > > > > before or after. > > > > > This DONELLY, O'DONALD or McDONALD family I think had links to > the > > > > > Lancaster County, PA area or had ties to that area. I also think > > there > > > is > > > > a > > > > > good possibility they were probably tied in some way to that BOONES > > and > > > > > BRYAN bunch from that same general area. > > > > > The reason I ask about the name, Charles, is Charles is not a > > given > > > > name > > > > > in any of the families I know which later migrated into Greene and > > > Wilkes > > > > > County, GA. I cannot say these families in Augusta County, VA are > > > around > > > > > the CUNNINGHAMS of that area but they sure were in the same general > > > area, > > > > at > > > > > one point, and we know that bunch later migrated south into VA from > > PA. > > > > > I want to see that will of Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA, > > that > > > > > confirms the Charles DANIEL (1773-1803) who married Elizabeth > COFFEE, > > > was > > > > a > > > > > son of Thomas DANIEL and Sarah BURNEY of Greene County, GA if > someone > > > has > > > > > it. The given name, Charles, just does not fit this family nor does > a > > > link > > > > > to the COFFEES. > > > > > The reason I say it does not fit is -- (1) These VA families > > tended > > > to > > > > > marry only into what were, once, VA families (2) These families > > married > > > > all > > > > > over each other -- cousins married cousins. > > > > > For Peter COFFEE to let his daughter break with tradition and > > marry > > > > into > > > > > a NC family does not match their profile at all, unless Thomas > DANIEL > > > was > > > > > out of this same DANIEL line that came south with them and the > > > CUNNINHJAMS > > > > > from VA....... > > > > > If the latter, then I think Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA > was > > > > > really married to a Sarah RANDLE, something that others have > reported > > > > > because the RANDLE name is all over this bunch, later. If later, > then > > > > > possibly, earlier, too........ > > > > > For what it is worth, I think the COFFEE/COFFEY family followed > > the > > > > > CUNNINGHAMS from Ireland to PA, then to PE County, VA and finally to > > > > Wilkes > > > > > and Greene County, GA. The HEARDS and even the FITZPATRICKS may > have > > > been > > > > a > > > > > part of this group, too. > > > > > > > > > > <<<< > > > > > IE: > > > > > > > > > > Page 25.--26th February, 1762. Francis Tyler to Israel Christian, > £40, > > > > > a negro slave Hanna. Teste: W. Christian, Charles Donelly. > > > > > > > > > > Page 305.--22d June, 1763. Daniel Harrison and Sarah to James Green, > > > > > £9, 100 acres in north fork of Linwell's Creek. Teste: James > Gamwill, > > > > > Charles Donnelly. > > > > > > > > > > Page 289.--18th March, 1768. George Wilson and Elizabeth, of > > Hampshire, > > > > > to Charles Donnelly, £90, 234 acres by patent 10th August, 1759, on > > > > > Stewart's Creek above. Delivered to Charles Donnelly, March, 1778. > > > > > > > > > > MARCH 18, 1768 > > > > > (521) Commission ordered to privily examine Elizabeth, wife of > George > > > > > Wilson, to deed to Charles Donnelly > > > > > > > > > > Page 106.--17th May, 1768. James Hugart's estate appraisement, by > > James > > > > > McCoy, Charles Donnerley, John Cartmill, recorded. > > > > > > > > > > MARCH 25, 1769 > > > > > (125) Charles Donnerly and John McCreery appointed surveyors of > road > > > from > > > > > Capt. Charles Lewis's to, the Fork of Dickinson's Road. > > > > > > > > > > Page 219.--24th February, 1770. Patrick Davis and Esther to James > > > > > Millican, £30, 44 acres by patent dated 10th September, 1767, on > > > > > Cowpasture River. Teste: Charles Lewis, Charles and Andrew Donnelly. > > > > > Delivered: Andrew Donnelly, December, 1775. > > > > > > > > > > AUGUST 20, 1772 > > > > > (409) Charles Lewis qualified Lieutenant Colonel of County. > > > > > (411) Charles O'Donald, aged 17, orphan of Michael O'Donald, chose > > > Thomas > > > > > Stuart guardian. > > > > > > > > > > Page 9.--20th August, 1772. Thomas Stewart's bond (with George > > Mathews, > > > > > David Henderson) as guardian to Charles O'Donald, orphan of Michael > > > > > O'Donald. > > > > > > > > > > Page 182.--4th December, 1772. William Sitlington's estate appraised > > > > > by Charles Donelly, Ralph Laverty, William Reach--1 servant man > > > appraised > > > > > to Dorby Dedy, £18.00.0; 1 servant man. named Joseph, appraised > > > > > to Blackhouse £15.10.0; 1 servant man, named Augustine Picket, > > £14.00.0; > > > > > 1 servant man, named Richard, appraised to Edwards, £14.00.0; 1 > > servant > > > > > woman appraised to £12.00.0. > > > > > > > > > > Page 208.--8th October, 1781. Elizabeth (mark) dark's will--To > > daughter, > > > > > Jean Elliot's heirs; to well beloved Elizabeth Breath (Reath, > Reoth?); > > > > > to daughter, Sarah Elliot; to daughter, Anne Dounlap; to daughter, > > > Margret > > > > > Clenkaid; to son, John Gridle; to son, James; to son, Alexander and > > > > > to Alexander's wife; to four daughters; to son, Samuel; to son, > > > William's > > > > > heirs; to son, Robert. Executors, son Robert Clark and William > Reaoh. > > > > > Teste: Charles Donally, James McCleerey, Robt. Patterson, Geo. > Berry. > > > > > Proved, 20th November, 1781, by McCleerey and Berry. Robert Clark > > > > > qualifies. > > > > > > > > > > Page 383.--25th October, 1781. Jane McCoy, of Greenbrier, widow and > > > > > sole executrix of James McCoy, to Andrew and Charles Donnerley, > > patented > > > > > 10th August, 1759, to said James on Stewart's Creek. Teste: Hugh > > > > > Brown, Andrew Sitlington, Nathan Crawford. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Page 308.--16th June, 1783. Mary (mark) Donnelly relinquishes her > > > > > right to administration on her husband's, Charles Donnelly's, estate > > and > > > > > nominates Andrew Donnelly, of Greenbrier, and her son, Andrew > > Donnelly. > > > > > Teste: James Bleake, William (mark) Gillespey. > > > > > > > > > > Page 308.--15th February, 1779. Charles Donnelly's will (of Cow > > > > > Pasture)--To wife, Mary; to daughters, Jean Bleake, Mary Brown; to > > other > > > > > four children, viz: Andrew, Charles, Ann, Catherine; to sons, Andrew > > and > > > > > Charles Donnally, Jr. Executrix, Mary and Col. Andrew Donnally and > > > > > son Andrew. Teste: James Bleke, John Gay, Wm. (mark) Gillespy. > > > > > Proved, 17th June, 1783, by Blake and Gillespy. Gay is since dead. > The > > > > > two Andrews qualify. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. Clarke > > > > > Thomasville, GA > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> > > > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 3:55 PM > > > > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Family Puzzler > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Afternoon John and all, I have a puzzler. Even an "I think" or an > "I > > > > told > > > > > > you so" will be appreciated. Payne > > > > > > > > > > > > The Peter Daniel who married Sarah/Sally Lofton has been assigned > to > > > > > William > > > > > > Daniel and Martha Field Allen Daniel. This assignment and the > > > > possibility > > > > > > that he was Peter Mickelborough Daniel the son of Charles Daniel > and > > > > Sarah > > > > > > Tate is questionable. Even though PMD has the same stats as the > > Peter > > > > > Daniel > > > > > > who was the s/o William and Martha, the Peter who was the son of > > > Charles > > > > > and > > > > > > Sarah was not the same individual. That Peter married Jane Ann > > > Mayfield > > > > > and > > > > > > Elizabeth Piner. Does all of this sound familiar : ) ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Now another scenerio. The Peter Daniel who was the son of David > > Daniel > > > > and > > > > > > Margaret Lynch was most likley the Peter who married Sally Lofton. > > > > There > > > > > > are many collateral ties between the Loftins and the Lynchs and > the > > > > > Daniels > > > > > > of Davidson County to support this connection. Ref: Jersey Baptist > > > > Meeting > > > > > > House Records in Davidson County where Peter, Charity and Mary > made > > > > > > applications in 1802. Had to be the son of David? > > > > > > > > > > > > Which Peter married Sally Lofton? We have at least two Peters > > sharing > > > > that > > > > > > distinction and both can't have the same date of birth, but they > do? > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter Daniel (Is this fact or fiction) Father: William DANIEL b: > > 1740 > > > > in, > > > > > > Cumberland, Virginia - Mother: Pattie ALLEN b: Abt 1746 in > > Cumberland, > > > > > > Virginia - Marriage 1 Sarah LOFTON b: 1786 in, Montgomery, North > > > > Carolina > > > > > > Married: 28 MAR 1803 in Rowan, North Carolina - Sealing Spouse: 13 > > MAR > > > > > 1981 > > > > > > in OGDEN Children: 1. Drury DANIEL b: Abt 1809 in Rowan, North > > > Carolina. > > > > > 2. > > > > > > John T. 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