P, Yes, Cunningham DANIEL (1769-1839) of Greene County, Ga married Jane EWING, d/o Samuel EWING and Mary DANIEL of PE County, VA. Mary was the d/o James DANIEL and Jean KELSO, also of PE, so we are right back to where we started, aren't we? We also know what DANIEL family were shakers and movers in PE, don't we? I think all of the connections we see in this overall bunch, including the fact that Samuel CUNNINGAM, Cunningham's grandfather, married Jean KELSO after her husband, James DANIEL, died is pretty evident how close this bunch was and how tight they kept the marriages within this family I am going to take a little closer look at this whole family to see what else I can dig up on them because I know there was once a "Cunningham Corners" in Emanuel County, GA and it was located along its northern border with Jefferson County, just a few miles from present day, Wadley, then Bethany, Jefferson County, GA. As you will also note, the name Bethany was a prominent name in the Cunningham trilogy. The reason I have not looked at this CUNNINGHAM-DANIEL bunch in the past for connections to my Robert C. DANIEL of Burke County, GA was because I was "locked out" rather early in my research by members of this Cunningham-Daniel family. Now, with the possibility there were connections to this family not only in Greene but Morgan, I am going to take a much closer look at this family and see what turns up because Karen COTTER's research is stumbling into some very key Morgan County, GA families I closely monitor. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] The CUNNINGHAMS of Cub Creek, PA > Just a further word, Karen Cotter is not a list member. She has taken steps > to correct any incorrect information that she may have taken from various > sources. I will post my changes to her work when I get time to look at them. > Such things as Jane Coffee was not a Coffee but a Ewing. > Apparently both Herndon and Heinemann assigned the > wife of Cunningham Daniel as Jane Coffee IN ERROR. > Other researchers have found that Cunningham Daniel > married JANE EWING not Jane Coffee. > > If your are interested in Karen's work contact her at cotterkaren@yahoo.com > and she can discuss her research with you directly and not in a venue where > she unaware that she is being scrutinized. > > John, please put me on the mailing list for your book on any subject. <grin> > Payne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 7:53 PM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] The CUNNINGHAMS of Cub Creek, PA > > > > Payne, > > As for your being ticked, I do not know why you should feel that > way. > > I said nothing about you or your website other than I could not find > > anything listed on your website about the Kelso-Daniel bunch. If I am in > > error about this, then I apologize. If it is there, I would like to know > > where you have them assigned? If it is not there, why not? > > I do not monitor your website as much as I probably should but I do go > > there from time to time to see where you have a certain family assigned. > > What I have noticed, of recent, is that it is much more difficult to find > > things than it used to be. > > As for Karen's Cub Creek information, I have a vested interest in the > > assignment of the children of Thomas DANIEL and Sarah BURNEY, since their > > daughter, Nancy Ann DANIEL (ABT 1765-1828) married Eden COLEMAN and their > > descendants tie right into my RICHTER family in Madison, GA at the Grand > > Uncle level. I am going to study Karen's Cub Creek information in-depth > and > > until then, I will reserve any further comment on it. > > I want you and Karen to remember one thing. When anyone posts > > genealogical information to a public website it becomes open to > commentary, > > one way or the other. Also, it would seem we all can all agree to have > > differences of opinion as long as our comments are of the non-personal > > nature, as mine always will be. If someone's genealogical research will > > not stand up to an in-depth scrutiny, it will not stand for long on its > own. > > > > John R. Clarke > > Thomasville, GA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 4:33 PM > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] The CUNNINGHAMS of Cub Creek, PA > > > > > > > John, your tact is remarkable, are Karen and I third persons on the > fringe > > > of your present excursion into the various families that we may work > on, > > > such as the Cunningham's. I have no problem with taking shots head on so > > > long as it is constructive. Can't you merely ask me why I don't have the > > > Kelso-Daniel information posted? Karen can speak for herself, she may > not > > be > > > as fragile as I am. <grin> > > > > > > Ticked in Tampa, Payne > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 11:45 AM > > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] The CUNNINGHAMS of Cub Creek, PA > > > > > > > > > > Good Morning, > > > > Since we have been bouncing back and forth between various DANIEL > > > > bunches from Virginia and Eastern NC, I thought I would throw this > out > > on > > > > the table for discussion... > > > > Last evening I spent a considerable amount of time going through > > List > > > > Member, Karen COTTER's, description of the CUNNINHAMS of Cub Creek, > PA. > > > > Some of her information was very familiar, some of it corrected some > > > > information I already had on this family and some of it really > confused > > > me. > > > > I cannot tell you -- this information was Greek to me or that some > > of > > > it > > > > did not tie into my overall bunch, it did. However, some of it seemed > > to > > > > tie to families that made no sense to me, whatsoever. > > > > Take for instance the Peter COFFEE family. We know some of the > > > children > > > > of Peter COFFEE married into the family of Thomas DANIEL and Sarah > > BURNEY. > > > > We also know where the BURNEYS were from (Craven County, NC) and what > > > DANIEL > > > > family they seem to connect to -- the T&E bunch. > > > > So, what was Karen doing with Peter COFFEE amongst her Cub Creek, > PA > > > > CUNNINGHAM bunch. This made no sense to me. However, the profile of > > her > > > > CUNNINGHAM bunch matches, perfectly, with the children of Charles > DANIEL > > > > (1773-1803) and Elizabeth COFFEE. This begs the questions -- if she > > > married > > > > Charles DANIEL, was he really a son of Thomas DANIEL and Sarah BURNEY? > > > > I have no compunctions about making Charles's father, Thomas > > DANIEL, > > > a > > > > Virginia DANIEL but Thomas is not even a name in that bunch nor was he > > > even > > > > mentioned in her material. She had all of the DANIEL boys who married > > > into > > > > her CUNNINGHAM bunch in Greene County, GA, as well as their parents, > > James > > > > DANIEL and Jean KELSO, but little, if anything, about this COFFEE > > > > connection. As most know, they say that James DANIEL was a son of > John > > > > DANIEL III and Ann BATES of York County, VA but I get the feeling > this > > is > > > > all wrong. I also checked to see if Payne had anything new on this > > > > Kelso-Daniel bunch and his information was so new, he did not even > have > > > them > > > > listed anywhere on his website, that I could find. <grin> I think he > > > used > > > > to have them linked to the Middlesex DANIEL bunch, the last time I > > > checked. > > > > I also noted her link to the COLBERTS, a name close to my bunch. > > She > > > > even has ties between her bunch and the WINGFIELDS and I know where > that > > > > bunch was from - New Kent County, VA. However, the BURNEYS and the > > > > WINGFIELDS were also close. She even has the CARLTONS in this bunch > but > > > the > > > > Morgan County, GA CARLTON family was from Duplin County, NC but before > > > that, > > > > they were from PA -- Chester County, PA. > > > > I just do not know about her material as to whether this > information > > > is > > > > accurate or she is confusing persons of the same name with those of an > > > > identical name but were from somewhere else. We know where the Simon > > > > BURNEYS were from -- Carven County, NC. However, the COFFEES would > have > > > > probably run across the CUNNINGAMS since they both lived in PE County, > > VA > > > at > > > > one point. > > > > The one thing I know about this total bunch, it smells of "Irish > > > green" > > > > all over the place, including the COFFEES. I just do not know about > > > some > > > > of her information nor some of the conflicts I see in some of it. > > > > The one thing I feel is -- if these DANIEL boys married that > heavily > > > > into her CUNNINGHAM family in Greene County, GA then you can bet their > > > > parents, James DANIEL and Jean KELSO, probably followed them all the > way > > > > from Ireland or James had parents who were from the same area in > > Ireland. > > > > In fact, her Samuel CUNNINGHAM married Jean KELSO after his wife died > > and > > > > her husband died. That, to me, is a very close family. > > > > The one thing that really caught my eye was the James CUNNINGHAM > who > > > > Karen says was an early merchant in Madison, Morgan County, GA, a > > > profession > > > > my RICHTER bunch was also in during a slightly later time frame, also > in > > > > Madison. I also know this Jimmy CUNNINGHAM was also listed with > Henry > > > > CARLTON in a horse racing endeavor in Madison in 1809 and the CARLTONS > > > were > > > > also listed as being with her Cub Creek CUNNINGHAM bunch. > > > > Henry CARLTON's daughter, Lucy, also married a James Harris > PONDER, > > > Sr. > > > > (1786-1864) and he was the GGF of Lucille PONDER (1895-1973) who > married > > > my > > > > father, as his first wife. Henry's brother, John K. CARLTON married > an > > > > ALDERMAN and they moved to Thomasville, Thomas County, GA. Their > grand > > > > daughter, Edna Sophronia CHASTAIN, married Russell R. RENEAU > (1832-1862) > > > in > > > > 1855 in Thomasville and his sister, Mary Jane RENEAU, my GGM, married > my > > > > GGF, Robert W. DANIEL in 1852 in Jefferson County, GA and their > > daughter, > > > > Alice E. DANIEL (1854-1924) married my grandfather, John C. RICHTER, > Sr. > > > in > > > > 1872 in Madison, GA. A Round-Robin, I do not know.... > > > > What I do know is there is not a Robert or Thomas DANIEL anywhere > in > > > > sight in this Cunningham-Daniel bunch of Greene County, GA, although > > they > > > > match most of these DANIELS, financially, to a tee. I also do not > know > > > > whether this may be a DANIEL cross-line or not. > > > > What I do know is -- a lot of collateral links she carries do not > > make > > > > sense to me -or- they make what I have, not make sense. I do not know > > > which > > > > is correct. You can bet I will take a much closer look at her > > > information. > > > > If anyone wants a copy of her information drop me a private note and I > > > will > > > > send you a MS Word Document which contains her Cunningham information. > > > > Make sure you have MS Word on your computer because you can not view > it, > > > > otherwise........... > > > > > > > > John R. Clarke > > > > Thomasville, GA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to > > > change your subscription method or email address or you have a > suggestion > > > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to > > > contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change > > the subject of a reply message. > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of > messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or > those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not > allowed on this list. > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > >