I see what you are saying, Joe and Evelyn are a generation before me, perhaps more people will get involved with the DNA project and help break down some of these barriers. "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> wrote:Vicki, There are several other lines that need to be looked at via DNA testing. We need more Middlesex DANIEL lines and some of the Cunningham-Daniel-Kelso line out of PE and later Greene County, Ga. Most of all we need well documented lines and not those lines that stop at a certain point and their descendants "think" of "have always heard" they descend from one particular DANIEL line or another. We also have to establish a base line for each DANIEL line that we discover in order to be able to determine which families were related to that DANIEL line and whether that relationship was in the distant past or was closer to the present. I think as we go on we will find the 25 marker test is sufficient if it is combined with good documentary evidence. A five generation separation is about at the second cousin level and most second cousins have some idea who their other second cousins are. If you happen to have some DNA from your 4th GGF, that is a five generation separation between you and him but since most of us do not, then our testing is based on descendants down to different lines that share a common ancestor. Also remember, you are playing with statistics in this DNA test and the width of the period in which these tests indicate there is a relationship between two identically matched individuals is much wider than it probably really is. Most of our American ancestors are within 7-10 generations with most probably as close as half of that. However, you have to double that number of generations because you are actually working down two different legs of the same family. First cousins, share grandfathers, second cousins share great-grandfathers, third cousins share 2nd great grandfathers, fourth cousins share 3rd great grandfathers, 5th cousins share 4th great grandfathers and so on. All of these should match, perfectly, a 12 marker test and probably the 25 marker test. Most of my 4th GGF's were born in the early to mid 1700 time frame and while the 25 marker DNA test may not statistically reach that far back with perfect results, it should be sufficient when combined with other documentary evidence. My guess is -- if you getting differences on the 25 marker test, then your total separation is probably pretty close to the 4th GFF level, or greater. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vickie Lomon" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 10:43 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [DANIEL-L] Posting my ancestors for the DANIEL line. > Yes, you are correct, we are cousins, yes, Joe is supposedly recieve his > information tomorrow, lets hope there are no delays, They say there are > native american tests available to. It may or may not reveal native > american ancestry. But it's worth a shot. I think the 37 marker test is > supposed to narrow it down to five generations? Don't hold me to it, but I > think that what I was told. I just wish more Daniel descendants would > submit. Especially those lines that haven't been tested yet. Captain Allen > Daniel from Prince George, VA. and the Charleston Bunch. It would > certainly be of some interests to prove or disprove connections based on > the DNA facts and not the assumptions of researchers that have no direct > facts or links to the lines involved. Vic > > Ken and Evelyn Hansson wrote:Vickie, Joe e-mailed me > after I sent him the posting I sent to Daniel-L. His > 37 marker DNA should arrive tomorrow. I'm really excited! My nephew's 12 > marker went out about the same time as Joe's 37 so Michael's should be > arriving soon too. My line was Daniel but my grandfather, Charles Daniel > added the s when he married Elizabeth "Lizzie" Clanton and that made all > his > children Daniels. The same thing happened to Joe Daniels. A Robert Daniel > who has been corresponding with me on the Daniel-L has just done the 25 > marker and thinks it will be back in a couple months. I believe you are > right when you say you think the DNA will open doors for us. Just think > how > many people we can compare history of Daniel with and surely we will learn > from which country in Europe our Daniel families originated. I'm going to > do > the DNA for Daniel and Crow. Crow is my mother's line. I know they want > direct male testers but I think the female will tell me something....maybe > that Nancy Mays was Cherokee. > > Keep in touch. > > Evelyn Daniels Hansson (I guess since Joe and I are 4th cousins you and I > are too?) > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives > at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives at: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL

Hello Daniel list, I will be putting out an update for the Daniel DNA project this weekend. A lot has been happening lately! A couple of lists I belong to are absolutely burying me in emails, so I am way behind on my reading/replying. Sorry if there are emails that I have not replied to in the past few weeks. I will try to get caught up this weekend. I have seen some discussion of 12 marker results, but I have not looked to see the particulars of these results and discussions. I will say that 12 marker matches are getting pretty common. I have 26 of those, five to other Daniels. One of these other Daniels is not a match on the 25 marker test, however, with 5 markers being different. That means we are related but in the distant past before surnames where used. A match with another Daniel on a 12 marker test should be an interesting finding, but not considered proof of a common Daniel ancestor, unless there is some primary record evidence to support the relationship. The only way to prove the relationship has occurred within the time that the use of surnames became common is if both participants have taken the 25 marker test. Even then, however, lacking evidence from primary records, it is difficult to determine exactly when the common ancestor of the participants lived. In some cases, where there is no evidence from primary records to narrow the time frame when the common ancestor lived, the 37 marker test may be needed. Just a comment. Not sure if this pertains to any the discussion that has been going on on the list in the past few weeks. Kevin