Clay, This smells an awful lot like the migration pattern of the PONDERS and PATTERSONS and probably others, maybe even the CUNNINGHAMS and DANIEL bunch of Greene County, GA. I know there was a LANE Family in the Orange County, VA area. They list even an Isham LANE, Jr. born 1757 in Orange County, VA who moved to KY. I have looked at this LANE bunch, especially since I have an Isham or Isam LANE, Sr. but I cannot connect them up. I also know there was a DONNEL family tied to the PATTERSONS and probably the PONDERS, too. The PATTERSONS and PONDERS migrated into Queen Anne County, Maryland and then through the Shenandoah Valley area to York County, SC, then Craven.. All of this was in the 1750 time frame and they are in SC by 1770. Actually they say Margaret DONNELL (ABT 1680-1770) , wife of William PATTERSON, died in Tyron County, NC in 1770 and it is located right across the NC border from York County, SC. Their grand daughter, Elizabeth PATTERSON b. ABT 1755, the d/o Robert PATTERSON (ABT 1710-1775) and Sarah, married Daniel PONDER, Jr. the son of Daniel PONDER, Sr. and Jemima BENNETT. Daniel, Jr.(1755-1817) and Elizabeth moved to Buncombe County, NC, later Madison County, NC. Most of this bunch were real big Tories although "they say" some of Daniel, Jr's brothers served the American cause during the RW. Several of these PONDER boys moved to Wilkes County, GA. Known Tory families that are collateral with this bunch are BLACK and JULIAN. I also know there were lots of DONNELLS and McDONALDS in the Shenandoah Valley area with lots of ties back to southern PA. One of these was a Randall McDONALD and there was even a Robert DONNELL, as I remember. You need to look at the Chaulkley Papers on the Augusta County, VA website because they list a lot of these early families of that area. Smith Calloway BANKS, my friend and historian of Bulloch County, GA seems to think my DANIEL bunch may have followed his family down from the Reading, PA area into Orange and Spotsylvania County, VA. Or, they linked up with them somewhere along the way. This bunch was in the foundry business and made cannons for Washington's army during the RW. I cannot discount this because of the Isham LANE name connection to Orange but I cannot find any links between Robert C. DANIEL of Greene County, NC and this area. Nor, can I find any links between the LANES of Greene County, NC and the LANES in Orange County, NC, other than the name, Isham, which I noted. One of the reasons I feel that Ms. Lucy GRAY's DANIEL bunch and mine are connected is because Elisha Fowler BANKS (ABT 1765-1795) was Smith's ancestor. He also was the father of Elizabeth BANKS who married Elijah Hosea CALLOWAY, Sr. of Emanuel County, GA, later Jackson County, FL where his daughter, Sarah Ann Caroline CALLOWAY, married Josiah DANIEL (ABT 1804-1853), Miss Lucy's direct DANIEL ancestor. We also now know where Miss Lucy's DANIELS descend from -- the IOW DANIEL family, so this pretty much locks my bunch into this same family but I will not know until we get my DANIEL cousin's DNA test back in six to eight weeks. The CALLOWAYS, as most know, were, originally, from Somerset County, MD I also have other direct links from this general area, including the RAMSEYS (New Castle, MD) and ALEXANDERS (Frederick, MD) and my RENEAU bunch (Frederick and Fauquier County, VA). The RENEAUS, RAMSEYS and ALEXANDERS also migrated to TN, generally around the Knox, Jefferson and Sevier County areas. I also have a NORRIS family that ties into the RENEAUS in Jefferson County that I cannot find a lot on. My STOCKTON family from that area descends from the Davis STOCKTON line out of Albemarle County, VA and they were formerly of Monmouth County, NJ. So, I do have a few links to MD and TN but not in the TN counties you listed. One of the RENEAU hot spots for a while was Wilson County, TN before they moved ob to Blue River TWP, Harrison County, IN. They were also tied to the John SEVIER family, another Augusta County, VA family - one of John SEVIER's daughters married my 4th GGU, Francis RENEAU RS-VA. Another close family of the RAMSEYS was the FLEMING family of Augusta County, VA and they tie back to a CHRISTIAN family of the same location. I have always felt there was a good likelihood there was some links between my DANIEL family and my RENEAU family but I have never been able to develop a link between my DANIEL families eastern NC origins and my RENEAU bunch in TN, other than the SWANN connection I noted in a previous post. However, the PONDERS are connected to my DANIEL family in Morgan County, GA and in 1836 in Burke County, GA a William PATTERSON sued my GGF, Robert W. DANIEL (1809-1865) and I have to believe that was a result of family matters, they usually are. I do not know the details of this suit because these records have been lost but William PATTERSON was married to a LITTLE but this Burke County, GA families "stated" genealogy is such that they would never have been connected to my bunch because, according to them, they were in GA long before the RW and all of them served the American cause during the RW. Personally, I think they were probably part of the PATTERSONS of York County, SC and they may well be connected to my DANIEL bunch, as indicated by my families latter connection to the PONDERS. However, that, is just a guess on my part. The things we are bumping up against is a lot of creative genealogy that was used to obtain membership in the DAR. As you can probably imagine, none of these folks of the turn of the last century (and before) wanted their family, in any way, to be associated with the Tories. So, what they did was find themselves an ancestor that served the American cause and locked in that boy into their family, whether they were their ancestor or not. Now, we are starting to straighten some of this "creative genealogy" out through DNA research and a lot better access to primary source records than was available to these early researchers or even the DAR.. What we are bumping up against now are poorly transcribed original records because there are generally two types of persons that transcribe these records. One, is the person who has little formal training but wants to write a book for some extra cash and they wing it on a lot of the names they transcribe. They also do not know the families of the area being covered in their transcriptions, so names like, DONNELL becomes DANIEL, WYSE becomes WISE, or MARSHALL becomes MARSH, etc. You see this all the time in census and will records, which is why I always go back to the originals to see what they actually said. The second type is a person is one who is not at arm's length to what they are transcribing, such as what you often see cited as primary source information in family genealogy books. There have been good family researchers but I always feel a lot of this stuff is created, knowingly or unknowingly because these family researchers depend too much on compiled information submitted by others. The problem is -- both of these types of errors get easily intermixed into our research and once there, they are hard to straighten out. This is why I have pushed the concept of "profiling" you family so you will have some understanding of the types of families into which your ancestors were likely to marry. Two old rules I like and they are important ones, area -- "acorns do not fall that far from the tree" and "blood is thicker than water." In other words, your ancestors would more than likely marry into families that were just like them, financially, professionally and otherwise and more than likely, they would marry into one of their collateral families. Take these two concepts as your guide and you will never be far off about your family. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clay Daniels" <clay_1@airmail.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] LANES, McKINNIES and other deeds from Bertie County, NC > John, wonder if you might have any info on my ggg-grandmother Agnes Lane > who > was born 25 Jan 1767 supposedly somewhere in Virginia. Agnes Lane married > Benjamin Kimsey/Kinzey the younger. The Kimsey family seems to have > migrated > down the Shenandoah Valley of western Virginia, possibly from Cumberland > County Pennsylvania after they had come from Ulster to America in the > early > 1700's, eventually settling in Buncombe County North Carolina, where my > gg-grandfather Robert C. Daniel married Nancy Kimsey about 1810. Both > Benjamin Kimsey the elder and the younger died in Buncombe County between > 1800-1810, and the family moved to Bedford County Tennessee by 1813. Agnes > Lane Kimsey remarried to Joseph Long, and it is because of the Long family > Bible that we know the exact date of birth of Agnes Lane. Joseph Long died > in 1839, and by 1850 Agnes is living with the Robert C. Daniel family in > what was then Bedford County, now Moore County, Tennessee. We believe we > know where Agnes Lane Kimsey Long is buried, at the head of Daniel Hollow > there in Moore County, but there is no surviving marker, so this is just a > belief with no real proof. > > We do not know what part of Virginia Agnes Lane came from, and cannot > assume > the Lane family nor my Daniel line followed the same migration path as the > Kimzey bunch. In her book on the Kimsey family, Alga Kimsey says nothing > is > known of Agness' family, but speculates she may have been related to the > Joseph Lane Jr. family. Alga does say that according to family tradition, > Agness is described as a Welsh woman, "a beautiful woman and so small that > she could have danced on a looking glass." > > Clay Daniels > Fort Worth, Texas > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > >