Payne, Yes, there is no proof that Dorothy CHAMBERLAIN married Robert DANIELL of Charleston and there is no proof that Robert DANIEL (1718-AFT 1782) of Martin County, NC was a son of Simon DANIEL of Edgecombe County, NC, but you sure carry him as his son. Right? There is not a lot of proof for a lot of stuff in genealogy, is there? What there is proof of is -- Elizabeth CHAMBERLAIN (1720-1758), d/o Samuel CHAMBERLAIN (ABT 1685-1752) of Brunswick County, VA, married Sampson LANIER, Jr., d/o Sampson LANIER, Sr. and Elizabeth WASHINGTON. Is that not correct. Was it not you that said just a few days ago that Sarah DANIEL, d/o T&E, married Algeron WILSON and this Sarah turned out to be the daughter of Marmaduke DANIELL, Sr. and Susan PROCTOR and not T&E. I do not know what the answer is for this bunch but what I do know is there are too many identical surnames in Southside, the tidal areas of NC and Charleston for these families not to be connected. I think they are connected, possibly at a cousin level, but still connected. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Elizabeth Lanier > John, > > Just a comment, there is not proof that Robert Daniell married in to the > CHAMBERLAINS. Just some guess work, but it is profitable to consider that > aspect of the issue when you research the possible Daniell/Chamberlain > connection. > > To my knowledge no one suspects that Robert Daniell was of humble origins? > Because he owned about three ships, someone suggest that he was an English > Privateer. > Interesting, but probably untrue. BTW, he wasn't married three times > either. > > As John says, there is some "Hog Wash" here and there. > > Later, Payne > > Way to go, PHIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 8:30 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Elizabeth Lanier > > > Good Morning, > I can buy all of that but convincing others of that possibility is the > problem. Some have characterized the LANIERS as nothing but a bunch of > meat > cutters from Barbados and Robert DANIELL's family as being nothing but a > family of poor Welsh miners, or something along those lines. Maybe I have > exaggerated a little bit, but you get the idea. <grin> > As for Robert DANIELL, he seems more like a machinist, to me -- tooling > it around everywhere. <grin> It is surprising to me that Charleston > society was a kind to him as it seems to have been. I have understood the > WAINWRIGHTS were of Bermuda but I will bet they were of a similar class to > Robert because men have always had affairs but they usually did not marry > persons outside of their class, even then. > People, today, tend to forget that England was a very class conscious > society in that time frame and one did not start at the bottom rung of the > ladder and go all the way to the top, no matter who they were or even as a > result of their accomplishments.. It was almost like the caste system > used > in India, until recent times where people were locked into the class of > their birth. > If you look over the list of names in the Lords Proprietors, then you > will see nothing but the cream of English society because as we all know, > society tends to dictate that the rich get the gravy and the poor get the > shaft. That, was especially true back then. > To think that Robert DANIEL emerged from some poor Welsh mining clan to > become a Landgrave of the Carolinas is nothing but hogwash. To think he > married into such an illustrious family, as the CHAMBERLAINS, from such > humble Welsh beginnings is also hogwash. When you look at marriages in > the > 17th century, they were very class conscious. > Granted, Robert DANIELL may not have been from the very top echelons of > English society but he was far from the bottom rung of the ladder and his > family must have been well connected, which in those days was usually > based > on money and property. What I am surprised is how fast some of his > descendants seem to have deteriorated, class wise. > Are you aware that one's religious preference is a key denominator of > class? In the protestant faiths, you have the Episcopal Church at the > top, > followed closely by the Methodist and Presbyterian churches. > In the days after the Revolutionary War, one church in particular was > very paternalistic, the Baptists. How do you think this set with these > patriots who just fought a war to keep from being told what to do by their > English lords? Not very well, in my opinion. This same type of > philosophy > was incorporated into the Quaker faith which is why this religion > descended > after the RW. > Paternalistic based religions only tend to flourish among the > uneducated > classes, not the educated classes, even today. Educated people just do > not > like to be told by their religions elders, what to do, when to do it and > how > it must be done. This is also probably why one sees so many agnostics and > even atheists in society, today - current religions philosophies are a > little too intrusive for them. > This is why the Baptist religion of the DANIELLS of Oconee County, GA > surprises me. Maybe William DANIELL's parents did not raise him properly > or > maybe his second wife was of a different class and she was in charge of > their kids upbringing, that I do not know. Maybe even the uncertainty of > life in that period tended to force people to accept a religion that > dominated their personal lives, from start to finish. That, I do not know > What I do know is -- I would not have tolerated that kind of religious > dominance, even then. . > The Baptist faith has changed somewhat over the course of the past 200 > years and is a little less intrusive than it used to be, but it is still > much more intrusive than other protestant religions. People also tended > to > join their community church and the community church in their area of GA > may > have been Baptist and once they became locked into a specific church, they > were also locked into that religion. That, I also do not know. > What I do know is that none of my family were of the Baptist faith > which > tells me a lot about them. My wife once told me a rather simple > definition > of class. "High class people talk about ideas, middle class people talk > about money and low rents talk about others." I will end this on that > tid-bit of Connecticut wisdom..... <grin> > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <ShuShuFlyPie@cs.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 12:02 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Elizabeth Lanier > > >> >> Probably nothing not already discussed, or of interest here... but >> Elizabeth >> LANIER is shown with her Thomas DANIEL in the family of Robert, and can >> see >> how the two Sarah DANIELs marrying WILLSON or WILSON could be >> confusing.....same >> Wilson book, pgs 8 and 9 ~ >> >> "A Carolina ~ Virginia Genealogy" compiled by York Lowry WILSON, [A.B., >> Princeton University, 1915] published by Aldershot Gale & Polden, Ltd >> 1962 >> >> >> Robert DANIEL I >> The English DANIELLs are of Norman origin, descending from the D'ANVERS >> or >> DANYERs family, who held estates in Cheshire in the reign of Henry III >> and >> bore >> arms "Arg. a pale fusily sa." which appear to be identical with those >> engraved >> on the seal of Colonel Robert DANIELL, progenitor of the Barbados branch. >> Similar arms, were, however, borne by other DANIELL lines in the Heralds' >> Visitations, that of London [originally from Norfolk] in 1634 showing >> Robert DANIELL >> of London, merchant, with a son Robert then aged three years. >> >> According to Hathaway's North Carolina History and Genealogy Register, >> [below] the first known ancestor was Roger DANIELL the elder, who came >> over with his >> kinsman Miles CAREY from Bristol, England, to Virginia before 1644/45 ~ >> Married UNKNOWN and had: >> >> 1. Roger DANIELL the younger, who came over from Bristol to Virginia >> with >> Roger, his father and their kinsman Miles CAREY ~ Married and had: >> >> 1.a. Robert DANIELL, Governor >> 1.b. John DANIELL of Barbados ~ Married Ann UNKNOWN and had: >> >> 1.b.1. John DANIELL, baptized at St. James, Barbados in 1678 >> 1.b.2. Thomas DANIELL of Tyrrell County, North Carolina, baptized at >> St. >> James, Barbados ~ dc: 1750, Tyrell County ~ Married Elizabeth LANIER of >> Tyrell >> County, daughter of Thomas LANIER. >> 1.b.3. Wilbert DANIELL, of Virginia, who spent only a short time in >> Barbados. >> >> ~O~ >> 2. Darby DANIELL, who was living in Virginia in 1693. [brother to >> Roger >> @ >> 1.] >> ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````` >> Colonel Robert DANIELL was, according to his age on the memorial tablet, >> born >> in 1646 [1. Ray claims that he was born in Virginia ~ see later] and >> although he was obviously possessed of considerable natural ability and >> talent, he is >> believed to have had influential family connections from his earliest >> days. >> >> He married (1) between 1675 and 1680, to Dorothy CHAMBERLAYNE, bc: 1654 ~ >> d: >> 16 OCT 1711, daughter of Colonel Edmund Chamberlayne of Maughersbury, >> County >> of Glouucester. The CHAMBERLAYNE family through their marital >> connections >> with >> the PYE family were prominent in Barbados trading circles, and Robert >> DANIELL >> took up this mode of life. His wife was an heiress and evidently refused >> to >> share the dangers and vicissitudes of colonial sea trading. Robert and >> Dorothy had one child, Robert II, bc: 1680 ~ d: after 20 OCT 1709. There >> is no >> indication in the records that Dorothy accompanied her husband on any of >> his trips >> to Barbados, Virginia, or the Carolinas. >> >> The year and circumstances of his first journey from England to Barbados >> are >> not known, but it must have been about the time of the Restoration or >> soon >> after, and as he was a staunch Royalist and Churchman, political factors >> are >> unlikely to have been involved, and he was probably at first a merchant >> or >> planter >> and perhaps owner or part-owner of a ship. Neither is it known how long >> he >> remained in Barbados, indeed it is probable that after his first arrival >> he >> made several voyages to and from England. Hotten records his migration >> from >> Barbados to Carolina, 04 APR 1679, in the ship "Mary" with Nicholas >> LOCKWOOD, >> Commander. He was accompanied by his servant Mary COOPER. [2. The >> Original >> Lists of Persons of Quality, 1600 ~ 1700, London, 1874, edited by John >> Camden >> HOTTEN] >> >> He received a succession of land grants, the first being dated a year >> before >> his arrival [3. Warrants for Lands in South Carolina, A. S. SALLEY, JR ~ >> see >> later] Although he was one of the largest landholders in South Carolina, >> he >> was not land-hungry. In fact, in several instances he sold lands in a >> very >> short time, probably in order to provide working capital for his trading >> adventures. >> >> He was taking an important part in the administrative life of Carolina >> within >> a few months of his arrival, making an appraisement of Thomas NERSE's >> property in 1680, and is himself referred to as a landowner in South >> Carolina on 15 >> DEC 16800, and again on 07 MAY and 10 MAY 1682, on all occasions with the >> rank >> of Captain. >> >> McCRADY records that "among the leaders who came into the Province of >> Carolina were some of great ability. Governor MOORE and Major Robert >> DANIELL though >> not among the first settlers, had each been in the Province some years. >> DANIELL from Barbados in 1679, and had already taken an active part in >> its >> affairs." >> >> His military rank appears to have varied. >> In MAY and AUG 1692 he is described as Major >> Captain in a deed dated 1693 [S.C.H. & G.M., Vol XI, pg 128] >> Major and Commander of the ship "Daniell of South Carolina" on 24 NOV >> 1693 >> [Ibid, Vol VIII, pg 210] >> Captain in a Will appointing him as Executor in 1695 [Ibid, Vol X, pg 83] >> Major again on 12 SEP 1696 [Ibid, Vol X, pg 236] >> Major on 10 MAR 1696/97 [Ibid, Vol X, pg 24] >> Major on 10 JAN 1697 [S.C.H.S. Collections, Vol 1, pg 144] >> >> In communications from the Lords Proprietors to the Governor and Council >> at >> Charles Town in 1698 [Ibid, Vol I, pg 456] his rank is given as Major and >> in >> 1702 he is styled Colonel [Rivers' Sketch, pg 20] and again in 1710, 1712 >> and >> 1716. >> >> In 1686 [Va Mag, Vol V, pg 81 ante.] he took an important part in the >> action >> against Spanish forces which had destroyed Stuart Town on Port Royal >> Island >> and other settlements in Carolina. Much of Robert DANIELL's time in the >> 16800's >> appears to have been spent in sailing his ships between America, Jamaica >> and >> Barbados [McCALL, TIDWELL and Allied Families, 1931, McCALL] >> >> His earliest extant signature "Robert Daniel" appears on a bond between >> John >> COMMINGS and Edward MAYO, 14 FEB 1680. The original contract is now in >> the >> possession of E. Roy DANIELL and Elizabeth HARLESTON DANIELL. >> >> The Will of Henry SYMMONDS of Charles Town, Vintner, proved before >> Governor >> BLAKE, 13 MAR 1695, appoints his friend Captain Robert DANIELL to be >> executor >> and trustee for testator's wife, Frances. The Will of Richard BUTLER, >> made 12 >> SEP 1696, appoints Major Robert DANIELL guardian to his wife and son. >> >> His career seems to have been little affected by his active opposition, >> beginning in 1680, to Landgrave John COLLETON, even after the latter >> became >> Governor. He was a loyal adherent of Seth SOTHEL throughout that stormy >> administration. In 1692 he was therefore excepted (with James MOORE) by >> the Lords >> Proprietors from the general pardon extended by them to all who had been >> concerned in >> Governor COLLETON's expulsion. Nevertheless, this did DANIELL little >> harm, >> and from then till the end of his life, his record was one of proomotion >> and >> achievement. In MAY 1692 as Major Robert DANIELL with Charles BURNHAM, >> he >> was >> entered as security for Robert GOSSE, who arrived in Carolina in the ship >> "Loyal Jamaica" [Grant Book, Secretary of State's Office, 1672/94, pg >> 78] >> >> In 1697 he was appointed Deputy to the Earl of Craven ~ Commissions and >> Instructions from the Lords Proprietors of Carolina to Public Officials >> of >> South >> Carolina, 1685~1715, pg 108. The Commission is as follows: >> >> William Lord CRAVEN one of ye true & absolute Lords & Proprietrs of ye >> Province of Carolina ~ to Robert DANIELL, Esq. Whereas it is Appointed >> by >> the Lords >> Proprietrs of Carolina in their ffundamentall Constitutions and Rules of >> Governmt that each of ye Lords Proprietrs shall Name a Deputy to be his >> Representative in ye generall Assembly and Councell of Carolina. I out >> of >> ye Confidence >> I have in ye Wisdome, Prudence & Loyalty of you ye said Robert DANIELL Do >> Constitute & Appoint you ye sd. Robert DANIELL to be my Deputy in that >> Part of >> our Province of Carolina wch llLyes South and West of Cape ffear, wth. >> full >> Power and Authority to Act and Exercise all such Powers & Things as to a >> Proprietrs Depty do's Belong Given under my Hand and Seal the fourteenth >> day of January >> Anno Dom: 1697/8. CRAVEN (Seal) >> >> Robert DANIELL served with great distinction in the ill-fated expedition >> led >> by Governor MOORE against St. Augustine in Florida in 1702 [The History >> of >> South Carolina under the Proprietary Government, 1670 ~ 1719, by Edward >> McCRADY, >> 1897, pg 381 et seq] >> ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` >> Ray's Index and Digest to Hathaway's N.C. History and Gen. Register, >> 19945, >> pg 38: >> The popular conception of Governor DANIEL's genealogical history is that >> he >> was born in England, whereas, the weight of the suggestive, if not >> positive, >> evidence is that he was born in York or Warwick County, Virginia. No one >> has >> been able to determine with certainty the exact year in which Miles CARY, >> the >> emigrant arrived in Virginia, but it was prior to 1644/45 at least. He >> was from >> Bristol, England, and brought over with him his "known kinsman" Roger >> DANIEL >> and his son Roger DANIEL, JR. The latter was the father of Governor >> Robert >> DANIEL, who with his two brothers, John and Wilbert, fled to the >> Barbadoes >> to >> escape the wrath of BERKLEY after the rebellion stirred up by Nathaniel >> BACON. >> >> Wilbert DANIEL remained in the Island only a few months, after which he >> returned to Virginia. Prior to his going there on NOV 13, 1678, he had >> been one of >> the subscribing witnesses to the Will of Henry ISHAM at Varina, in >> Henrico >> County, whose wife was the widow of ROYAL, and whose son Henry ROYAL in >> 1693 >> witnessed with Darby DANIEL (uncle of Governor Robert) the Will of his >> stepson, >> Henry COPELAND in Elizabeth City. >> >> John DANIEL, the other brother, remained in the Barbadoes for some time >> and >> the St James Parish Records there show the birth of two sons, John [JR] >> in >> 1678 >> and Thomas in 1679. >> >> Robert DANIEL had married Dorothy CHAMBERLAINE, by whom he had one son, >> Robert, and John DANIEL, his brother, married [in Barbadoes~?] to Ann >> UNKNOWN. >> Thomas DANIEL, b: 1679, married Elizabeth LANIER, daughter of Thomas >> Lanier, who >> was living for a time in the Island, and both Thomas DANIEL and Thomas >> LANIER >> died in Tyrrell County, NC about 1750, as disclosed by these Hathaway >> records. >> >> Dorothy CHAMBERLAIN, the first wife of Robert DANIEL, had a sister who >> appears to have been the wife of John LEAR, Clerk of Nansemond County, >> Virginia, >> hence Robert DANIEL and the old Clerk were brothers-in-law. Dorothy also >> had a >> nephew Marmaduke CHAMBERLAINE, for whom Governor DANIEL named his second >> grandson. >> >> North Carolina History & Gen. Register, Vol 1, pg 199, refers to Thomas >> DANIEL, John DANIEL and Robert DANIEL. >> [Will of Milles CARY of Warwick County, Virginia, dtd 09 JUN 1667, pr. 21 >> JUN >> 1667, Warwick County, left his grey mare and that parcel or tract of land >> called "Gaole" with all the rents and profits, to Roger DANIELL ~ The >> Virginia >> CARYs, Harrison, 1919, pgs 164~167]. >> >> Dorothy CHAMBERLAIN was not the first Chamberlaine to marry a DANIELL. >> "A" >> Robert DANIELL married (2) to Margaret CHAMBERLAIN who died at Edmonton, >> Middlesex, 30 JUL 1663. >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >> If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to >> change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion >> you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to >> contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net >> > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? 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Right? Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Elizabeth Lanier Payne, Yes, there is no proof that Dorothy CHAMBERLAIN married Robert DANIELL of Charleston and there is no proof that Robert DANIEL (1718-AFT 1782) of Martin County, NC was a son of Simon DANIEL of Edgecombe County, NC, but you sure carry him as his son. Right? There is not a lot of proof for a lot of stuff in genealogy, is there? What there is proof of is -- Elizabeth CHAMBERLAIN (1720-1758), d/o Samuel CHAMBERLAIN (ABT 1685-1752) of Brunswick County, VA, married Sampson LANIER, Jr., d/o Sampson LANIER, Sr. and Elizabeth WASHINGTON. Is that not correct. Was it not you that said just a few days ago that Sarah DANIEL, d/o T&E, married Algeron WILSON and this Sarah turned out to be the daughter of Marmaduke DANIELL, Sr. and Susan PROCTOR and not T&E. I do not know what the answer is for this bunch but what I do know is there are too many identical surnames in Southside, the tidal areas of NC and Charleston for these families not to be connected. I think they are connected, possibly at a cousin level, but still connected. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Elizabeth Lanier > John, > > Just a comment, there is not proof that Robert Daniell married in to the > CHAMBERLAINS. Just some guess work, but it is profitable to consider that > aspect of the issue when you research the possible Daniell/Chamberlain > connection. > > To my knowledge no one suspects that Robert Daniell was of humble origins? > Because he owned about three ships, someone suggest that he was an English > Privateer. > Interesting, but probably untrue. BTW, he wasn't married three times > either. > > As John says, there is some "Hog Wash" here and there. > > Later, Payne > > Way to go, PHIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 8:30 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Elizabeth Lanier > > > Good Morning, > I can buy all of that but convincing others of that possibility is the > problem. Some have characterized the LANIERS as nothing but a bunch of > meat > cutters from Barbados and Robert DANIELL's family as being nothing but a > family of poor Welsh miners, or something along those lines. Maybe I have > exaggerated a little bit, but you get the idea. <grin> > As for Robert DANIELL, he seems more like a machinist, to me -- tooling > it around everywhere. <grin> It is surprising to me that Charleston > society was a kind to him as it seems to have been. I have understood the > WAINWRIGHTS were of Bermuda but I will bet they were of a similar class to > Robert because men have always had affairs but they usually did not marry > persons outside of their class, even then. > People, today, tend to forget that England was a very class conscious > society in that time frame and one did not start at the bottom rung of the > ladder and go all the way to the top, no matter who they were or even as a > result of their accomplishments.. It was almost like the caste system > used > in India, until recent times where people were locked into the class of > their birth. > If you look over the list of names in the Lords Proprietors, then you > will see nothing but the cream of English society because as we all know, > society tends to dictate that the rich get the gravy and the poor get the > shaft. That, was especially true back then. > To think that Robert DANIEL emerged from some poor Welsh mining clan to > become a Landgrave of the Carolinas is nothing but hogwash. To think he > married into such an illustrious family, as the CHAMBERLAINS, from such > humble Welsh beginnings is also hogwash. When you look at marriages in > the > 17th century, they were very class conscious. > Granted, Robert DANIELL may not have been from the very top echelons of > English society but he was far from the bottom rung of the ladder and his > family must have been well connected, which in those days was usually > based > on money and property. What I am surprised is how fast some of his > descendants seem to have deteriorated, class wise. > Are you aware that one's religious preference is a key denominator of > class? In the protestant faiths, you have the Episcopal Church at the > top, > followed closely by the Methodist and Presbyterian churches. > In the days after the Revolutionary War, one church in particular was > very paternalistic, the Baptists. How do you think this set with these > patriots who just fought a war to keep from being told what to do by their > English lords? Not very well, in my opinion. This same type of > philosophy > was incorporated into the Quaker faith which is why this religion > descended > after the RW. > Paternalistic based religions only tend to flourish among the > uneducated > classes, not the educated classes, even today. Educated people just do > not > like to be told by their religions elders, what to do, when to do it and > how > it must be done. This is also probably why one sees so many agnostics and > even atheists in society, today - current religions philosophies are a > little too intrusive for them. > This is why the Baptist religion of the DANIELLS of Oconee County, GA > surprises me. Maybe William DANIELL's parents did not raise him properly > or > maybe his second wife was of a different class and she was in charge of > their kids upbringing, that I do not know. Maybe even the uncertainty of > life in that period tended to force people to accept a religion that > dominated their personal lives, from start to finish. That, I do not know > What I do know is -- I would not have tolerated that kind of religious > dominance, even then. . > The Baptist faith has changed somewhat over the course of the past 200 > years and is a little less intrusive than it used to be, but it is still > much more intrusive than other protestant religions. People also tended > to > join their community church and the community church in their area of GA > may > have been Baptist and once they became locked into a specific church, they > were also locked into that religion. That, I also do not know. > What I do know is that none of my family were of the Baptist faith > which > tells me a lot about them. My wife once told me a rather simple > definition > of class. "High class people talk about ideas, middle class people talk > about money and low rents talk about others." I will end this on that > tid-bit of Connecticut wisdom..... <grin> > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <ShuShuFlyPie@cs.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 12:02 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Elizabeth Lanier > > >> >> Probably nothing not already discussed, or of interest here... but >> Elizabeth >> LANIER is shown with her Thomas DANIEL in the family of Robert, and can >> see >> how the two Sarah DANIELs marrying WILLSON or WILSON could be >> confusing.....same >> Wilson book, pgs 8 and 9 ~ >> >> "A Carolina ~ Virginia Genealogy" compiled by York Lowry WILSON, [A.B., >> Princeton University, 1915] published by Aldershot Gale & Polden, Ltd >> 1962 >> >> >> Robert DANIEL I >> The English DANIELLs are of Norman origin, descending from the D'ANVERS >> or >> DANYERs family, who held estates in Cheshire in the reign of Henry III >> and >> bore >> arms "Arg. a pale fusily sa." which appear to be identical with those >> engraved >> on the seal of Colonel Robert DANIELL, progenitor of the Barbados branch. >> Similar arms, were, however, borne by other DANIELL lines in the Heralds' >> Visitations, that of London [originally from Norfolk] in 1634 showing >> Robert DANIELL >> of London, merchant, with a son Robert then aged three years. >> >> According to Hathaway's North Carolina History and Genealogy Register, >> [below] the first known ancestor was Roger DANIELL the elder, who came >> over with his >> kinsman Miles CAREY from Bristol, England, to Virginia before 1644/45 ~ >> Married UNKNOWN and had: >> >> 1. Roger DANIELL the younger, who came over from Bristol to Virginia >> with >> Roger, his father and their kinsman Miles CAREY ~ Married and had: >> >> 1.a. Robert DANIELL, Governor >> 1.b. John DANIELL of Barbados ~ Married Ann UNKNOWN and had: >> >> 1.b.1. John DANIELL, baptized at St. James, Barbados in 1678 >> 1.b.2. Thomas DANIELL of Tyrrell County, North Carolina, baptized at >> St. >> James, Barbados ~ dc: 1750, Tyrell County ~ Married Elizabeth LANIER of >> Tyrell >> County, daughter of Thomas LANIER. >> 1.b.3. Wilbert DANIELL, of Virginia, who spent only a short time in >> Barbados. >> >> ~O~ >> 2. Darby DANIELL, who was living in Virginia in 1693. [brother to >> Roger >> @ >> 1.] >> ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````` >> Colonel Robert DANIELL was, according to his age on the memorial tablet, >> born >> in 1646 [1. Ray claims that he was born in Virginia ~ see later] and >> although he was obviously possessed of considerable natural ability and >> talent, he is >> believed to have had influential family connections from his earliest >> days. >> >> He married (1) between 1675 and 1680, to Dorothy CHAMBERLAYNE, bc: 1654 ~ >> d: >> 16 OCT 1711, daughter of Colonel Edmund Chamberlayne of Maughersbury, >> County >> of Glouucester. The CHAMBERLAYNE family through their marital >> connections >> with >> the PYE family were prominent in Barbados trading circles, and Robert >> DANIELL >> took up this mode of life. His wife was an heiress and evidently refused >> to >> share the dangers and vicissitudes of colonial sea trading. Robert and >> Dorothy had one child, Robert II, bc: 1680 ~ d: after 20 OCT 1709. There >> is no >> indication in the records that Dorothy accompanied her husband on any of >> his trips >> to Barbados, Virginia, or the Carolinas. >> >> The year and circumstances of his first journey from England to Barbados >> are >> not known, but it must have been about the time of the Restoration or >> soon >> after, and as he was a staunch Royalist and Churchman, political factors >> are >> unlikely to have been involved, and he was probably at first a merchant >> or >> planter >> and perhaps owner or part-owner of a ship. Neither is it known how long >> he >> remained in Barbados, indeed it is probable that after his first arrival >> he >> made several voyages to and from England. Hotten records his migration >> from >> Barbados to Carolina, 04 APR 1679, in the ship "Mary" with Nicholas >> LOCKWOOD, >> Commander. He was accompanied by his servant Mary COOPER. [2. The >> Original >> Lists of Persons of Quality, 1600 ~ 1700, London, 1874, edited by John >> Camden >> HOTTEN] >> >> He received a succession of land grants, the first being dated a year >> before >> his arrival [3. Warrants for Lands in South Carolina, A. S. SALLEY, JR ~ >> see >> later] Although he was one of the largest landholders in South Carolina, >> he >> was not land-hungry. In fact, in several instances he sold lands in a >> very >> short time, probably in order to provide working capital for his trading >> adventures. >> >> He was taking an important part in the administrative life of Carolina >> within >> a few months of his arrival, making an appraisement of Thomas NERSE's >> property in 1680, and is himself referred to as a landowner in South >> Carolina on 15 >> DEC 16800, and again on 07 MAY and 10 MAY 1682, on all occasions with the >> rank >> of Captain. >> >> McCRADY records that "among the leaders who came into the Province of >> Carolina were some of great ability. Governor MOORE and Major Robert >> DANIELL though >> not among the first settlers, had each been in the Province some years. >> DANIELL from Barbados in 1679, and had already taken an active part in >> its >> affairs." >> >> His military rank appears to have varied. >> In MAY and AUG 1692 he is described as Major >> Captain in a deed dated 1693 [S.C.H. & G.M., Vol XI, pg 128] >> Major and Commander of the ship "Daniell of South Carolina" on 24 NOV >> 1693 >> [Ibid, Vol VIII, pg 210] >> Captain in a Will appointing him as Executor in 1695 [Ibid, Vol X, pg 83] >> Major again on 12 SEP 1696 [Ibid, Vol X, pg 236] >> Major on 10 MAR 1696/97 [Ibid, Vol X, pg 24] >> Major on 10 JAN 1697 [S.C.H.S. Collections, Vol 1, pg 144] >> >> In communications from the Lords Proprietors to the Governor and Council >> at >> Charles Town in 1698 [Ibid, Vol I, pg 456] his rank is given as Major and >> in >> 1702 he is styled Colonel [Rivers' Sketch, pg 20] and again in 1710, 1712 >> and >> 1716. >> >> In 1686 [Va Mag, Vol V, pg 81 ante.] he took an important part in the >> action >> against Spanish forces which had destroyed Stuart Town on Port Royal >> Island >> and other settlements in Carolina. Much of Robert DANIELL's time in the >> 16800's >> appears to have been spent in sailing his ships between America, Jamaica >> and >> Barbados [McCALL, TIDWELL and Allied Families, 1931, McCALL] >> >> His earliest extant signature "Robert Daniel" appears on a bond between >> John >> COMMINGS and Edward MAYO, 14 FEB 1680. The original contract is now in >> the >> possession of E. Roy DANIELL and Elizabeth HARLESTON DANIELL. >> >> The Will of Henry SYMMONDS of Charles Town, Vintner, proved before >> Governor >> BLAKE, 13 MAR 1695, appoints his friend Captain Robert DANIELL to be >> executor >> and trustee for testator's wife, Frances. The Will of Richard BUTLER, >> made 12 >> SEP 1696, appoints Major Robert DANIELL guardian to his wife and son. >> >> His career seems to have been little affected by his active opposition, >> beginning in 1680, to Landgrave John COLLETON, even after the latter >> became >> Governor. He was a loyal adherent of Seth SOTHEL throughout that stormy >> administration. In 1692 he was therefore excepted (with James MOORE) by >> the Lords >> Proprietors from the general pardon extended by them to all who had been >> concerned in >> Governor COLLETON's expulsion. Nevertheless, this did DANIELL little >> harm, >> and from then till the end of his life, his record was one of proomotion >> and >> achievement. In MAY 1692 as Major Robert DANIELL with Charles BURNHAM, >> he >> was >> entered as security for Robert GOSSE, who arrived in Carolina in the ship >> "Loyal Jamaica" [Grant Book, Secretary of State's Office, 1672/94, pg >> 78] >> >> In 1697 he was appointed Deputy to the Earl of Craven ~ Commissions and >> Instructions from the Lords Proprietors of Carolina to Public Officials >> of >> South >> Carolina, 1685~1715, pg 108. The Commission is as follows: >> >> William Lord CRAVEN one of ye true & absolute Lords & Proprietrs of ye >> Province of Carolina ~ to Robert DANIELL, Esq. Whereas it is Appointed >> by >> the Lords >> Proprietrs of Carolina in their ffundamentall Constitutions and Rules of >> Governmt that each of ye Lords Proprietrs shall Name a Deputy to be his >> Representative in ye generall Assembly and Councell of Carolina. I out >> of >> ye Confidence >> I have in ye Wisdome, Prudence & Loyalty of you ye said Robert DANIELL Do >> Constitute & Appoint you ye sd. Robert DANIELL to be my Deputy in that >> Part of >> our Province of Carolina wch llLyes South and West of Cape ffear, wth. >> full >> Power and Authority to Act and Exercise all such Powers & Things as to a >> Proprietrs Depty do's Belong Given under my Hand and Seal the fourteenth >> day of January >> Anno Dom: 1697/8. CRAVEN (Seal) >> >> Robert DANIELL served with great distinction in the ill-fated expedition >> led >> by Governor MOORE against St. Augustine in Florida in 1702 [The History >> of >> South Carolina under the Proprietary Government, 1670 ~ 1719, by Edward >> McCRADY, >> 1897, pg 381 et seq] >> ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` >> Ray's Index and Digest to Hathaway's N.C. History and Gen. Register, >> 19945, >> pg 38: >> The popular conception of Governor DANIEL's genealogical history is that >> he >> was born in England, whereas, the weight of the suggestive, if not >> positive, >> evidence is that he was born in York or Warwick County, Virginia. No one >> has >> been able to determine with certainty the exact year in which Miles CARY, >> the >> emigrant arrived in Virginia, but it was prior to 1644/45 at least. He >> was from >> Bristol, England, and brought over with him his "known kinsman" Roger >> DANIEL >> and his son Roger DANIEL, JR. The latter was the father of Governor >> Robert >> DANIEL, who with his two brothers, John and Wilbert, fled to the >> Barbadoes >> to >> escape the wrath of BERKLEY after the rebellion stirred up by Nathaniel >> BACON. >> >> Wilbert DANIEL remained in the Island only a few months, after which he >> returned to Virginia. Prior to his going there on NOV 13, 1678, he had >> been one of >> the subscribing witnesses to the Will of Henry ISHAM at Varina, in >> Henrico >> County, whose wife was the widow of ROYAL, and whose son Henry ROYAL in >> 1693 >> witnessed with Darby DANIEL (uncle of Governor Robert) the Will of his >> stepson, >> Henry COPELAND in Elizabeth City. >> >> John DANIEL, the other brother, remained in the Barbadoes for some time >> and >> the St James Parish Records there show the birth of two sons, John [JR] >> in >> 1678 >> and Thomas in 1679. >> >> Robert DANIEL had married Dorothy CHAMBERLAINE, by whom he had one son, >> Robert, and John DANIEL, his brother, married [in Barbadoes~?] to Ann >> UNKNOWN. >> Thomas DANIEL, b: 1679, married Elizabeth LANIER, daughter of Thomas >> Lanier, who >> was living for a time in the Island, and both Thomas DANIEL and Thomas >> LANIER >> died in Tyrrell County, NC about 1750, as disclosed by these Hathaway >> records. >> >> Dorothy CHAMBERLAIN, the first wife of Robert DANIEL, had a sister who >> appears to have been the wife of John LEAR, Clerk of Nansemond County, >> Virginia, >> hence Robert DANIEL and the old Clerk were brothers-in-law. Dorothy also >> had a >> nephew Marmaduke CHAMBERLAINE, for whom Governor DANIEL named his second >> grandson. >> >> North Carolina History & Gen. Register, Vol 1, pg 199, refers to Thomas >> DANIEL, John DANIEL and Robert DANIEL. >> [Will of Milles CARY of Warwick County, Virginia, dtd 09 JUN 1667, pr. 21 >> JUN >> 1667, Warwick County, left his grey mare and that parcel or tract of land >> called "Gaole" with all the rents and profits, to Roger DANIELL ~ The >> Virginia >> CARYs, Harrison, 1919, pgs 164~167]. >> >> Dorothy CHAMBERLAIN was not the first Chamberlaine to marry a DANIELL. >> "A" >> Robert DANIELL married (2) to Margaret CHAMBERLAIN who died at Edmonton, >> Middlesex, 30 JUL 1663. >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >> If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to >> change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion >> you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to >> contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net >> > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? 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