Vivki, The GRANGE and the HOWE family were long associated with the DANIEL family of Charleston. I do not make these assignments, I only keep a record of them and not necessarily that I agree with them. The GRANGE family was of Charleston, descendants of John GRANGE and UNK who later moved to the Cape Fear area of NC. He had two daughters that I know of, Sarah GRANGE born by 1730 who married General Robert HOWE of Brunswick County, NC and Anna born ABT 1734 who married Judge Maurice MOORE of Wilmington, New Hanover County, North Carolina. They also had a brother named, John GRANGE, Jr. and I have no information on him. Generally when I see this name attached to a DANIEL, I think "Charleston DANIEL" for the obvious reasons. Two of the daughters of Gen. Robert HOWE (1732-1786) and Sarah GRANGE married Stephen Bedon DANIEL (ABt 1745-1820) of Brunswick County, NC - Rebecca HOWE in 1764 and her sister, Anne Goodlet HOWE in 1769. The John DANIEL you reference as marrying a Hannah GRANGE was the son of Stephen Bedon DANIEL and Anne Goodlet HOWE and they were married on 27 Jan 1807 in Brunswick County, NC and that is a fact. Feel free to go to the Brunswick County, NC website because that marriage is there for anyone to see. The URL for that website is: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncbrunsw/brunswick.htm Feel free to differ with me at any time. I have no problem with that because I differ quite often with others, as Payne and Jack will attest. I also know there were HARRELLS in and around eastern NC around a lot of the families we see out of IOW County, VA. Your MAYS may be MAY and there were lots of them around this whole bunch. The NORFLEETS, COTTONS and RHODES were also there. These are not Henry County, VA folks but may have moved there, later, from IOW, Brunswick, Surry or even eastern NC. . I am also getting information that some of these eastern NC folks (the WILLSONS) moved to TN and then KY, especially Trigg and Christian County, KY. The BRETTS were folks around Lucy GRAY's DANIEL folks and these folks moved to GA. Lucy says there is some indication they moved to TN, first, and then to GA. Jefferson County, GA is the home place of these BRETS, along with some that went to Jackson County, FL with Lucy's bunch. We also know from which DANIEL family that Lucy's folks descend -- the IOW DANIEL family and this is probably my bunch, too, but I will not know for sure for about eight more weeks. The one family that had Edward as a key given name that is around this bunch is the BRYANS, there may be others. If there has been one DANIEL family that I have concentrated on through the years, is the Charleston bunch. The reason I have concentrated on this family is because I have so many Charleston links in my overall bunch that connect in various ways to the Charleston bunch. The only name in your bunch that I know is that of a George LUMPKIN. I carry a George (1788-1858) the son of Capt. John H. LUMPKIN and Lucy Elizabeth HOBSON of Wilkes County, GA. They moved there from VA. George LUMPLIN married a CALLOWAY, a DAVIS and a POPE. George's brother was the Wilson LUMPKIN, Esq. (1783-1870) who married Sarah WALKER, d/o Rev. Sanders WALKER and Sarah LAMAR of Oglethorpe County, GA. Wilson LUMPKIN and Sarah lived in Morgan County, GA right next to Key's Ferry on the Old Coach Road to Augusta down near Godfrey. Lumpkin County, GA is named for this Governor Wilson LUMPKIN and he is buried in Athens, GA where he went to live after Sarah died in 1819, after a short stint in Mississippi. The CALLOWAYS, the John CALLOWAY and Bethany ARNOLD line of Wilkes County, GA, were all tied up with the LUMPKINS. FYI, Edward is also a big name in the CALLOWAY family. They migrated from MD to eastern NC and then split up with some going into north GA (the John and Job CALLOWAY lines) and some going into middle GA, the Elijah CALLOWAY line, but they were all children of Edward CALLOWAY (1711-1789) and Elizabeth LNU of Onslow County, NC. I wish I could help you more in your research but I cannot. Have you considered DNA testing? That is the only way to tie your bunch back to a common ancestor. However, you need to be real careful to document the person you choose for this testing because there are lots of folks that are not who they portray themselves to be, especially in a line with which you are not personally familiar, like a distant, distant cousin Thank God, we have my cousin Russell DANIEL (my 2C1R) or my DANIEL line would be up that well known tributary without a suitable means of transportation. Normally, I consider a 2C1R to be a distant relative but in genealogy, that is close. In Russ's case, his GGF was my Grand Uncle and his genealogy is all documented. His grandfather was also in the newspaper business, so we have other things in common. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vickie Lomon" <vlomon@yahoo.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Notes on Edward Daniel, Mayo River, deeds, also Brett and Walter Daniel,John Daniels, SR. and JR. I beg to differ on your take of our Daniel and Mayes bunch, Henry county, VA. Henry Mayes and his wife Phoebe Harrell were there, much is documented on this line, most of all of Edwards children married children of Henry Mays, Sherrod Mays, etc. My Martha Mayes married William Daniel son of Edward Daniel in Grainger county, TN. 1821. Also the John Daniel that married Hannah Grainge is a descendant of Edward Daniel, a cousin is working on this line. Sherrod, Goodwin Mayes are also documented along with this Daniel family. They have wills, etc. on Henry Maze. Can you show me where John Daniel and Hannah Grange actually belong ? Some facts that pertain to John Daniel and Hannah Grainge, if so I will gladly contact the family member and clarify or correct the mistake. Not to offend in anyway, but my intention is to get facts not assumptions as to who they belong to. But Henry Mayes and Pheobe Harrell are diffinatly connected to our line, along with the Bridges, Hills, Jeffre! ys, Cottons, Norfleets, Rhodes, etc. Also there is Edward Daniel and Francis Daniel early in TN. church minutes. Vickie "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> wrote:Vickie, I think you have a lot of apples and oranges in some of that information, especially that part about John DANIELL and Hannah GRANGE moving to Granger County, TN. Or, the MAYES and DANIEL bunch. Granted, I think the DANIELL information is some of the worst we have but I would tend to think this John and Hannah either stayed around eastern NC or moved to somewhere down in SC or GA. As for the MAYES connection, one of the O'DANIELS out of Fairfax County, VA married a MAYES and Robert DANIELL has not been able to find out what happened to him other than his O'DANIEL girl died in SC. That's one of the problems when you look for specific names, there were lots of folks that had the same names in this period because they did not use a lot of different given names. So, it has been real easy for some researchers to grab on to the first Thomas DANIEL they find and say that was their ancestor -- if some will or deeds lists their known ancestor as a son of a Thomas DANIEL. However, that Thomas DANIEL could have been a Thomas DONNEL., Thomas DANIELLY or even a Thomas McDONALD. This is why I try to find the surnames that are collateral with my bunch in a certain area and then look for a blend of those same surnames in the area they moved to later. What I do is work, backwards. First, in my example, I took my known DANIEL bunch in Jefferson County, GA and I have developed all of their collaterals, who they married, where these folks came from and who were the ancestors of their collaterals and where they came from.. In other words, I know most everybody around or even remotely close to my DANIEL family in Burke and Jefferson County, GA. From this I have been able to develop not only a profile of my bunch but also a flavor as to the migration path each of these families took to reach Burke and later, Jefferson County, GA. However, I am dependent, to some degree, on the accuracy of the information researched by others and some of this information stinks. One of these is the TARVER information that has come out of Burke and Jefferson County, GA. I would not trust one scrap of information from this family. There are others, too. One of the things that I know about my Robert C. DANIEL (ABT 1764-AFT 1830) of Burke County, GA is that he or his wife had to come from a rather wealthy family because he hit Burke County, GA with more than pocket change. Considering that most of these families always seemed to find a way to have 10 or more chillen and Robert hit Burke with 10 slaves then he had to come from a family that had, at the very least, 50 or more slaves. I base this on an equal distribution of males and females in his family, meaning their were five boys and five girls and each of the boys got an equal distribution of the estate of their parents. However, his slaves could have come from the estate of his wife's parents, that I do not know. Or, they could have been a equal distribution from both his family and her family or he could have been an only child but I tend to discount this. Regardless, I think the least number of deductions that I must make in this matter is probably the simplest answer -- they came from his family. Since this Robert DANIEL was probably not the oldest boy in his family, he probably did not get a lion's share of his father's estate and over time the few slaves he got from his family could well be represented by the 10 slaves he had in 1820, when he was about age 50-55. It is not just sufficient to chase the given names in a certain family but you must also always chase the money, like the accountants say. So, I know that Robert C. DANIEL of Burke came from a good family, maybe not exactly landed gentry, but somewhere near this lofty group. He also seems to have married well since Isam LANE owned ABT 2,000 acres of land in Greene and Wayne County, NC when he died but I also know that his son, John LANE, got most of this land and not Robert's wife, Penelope LANE. I also know that his chillen in Burke tended to marry folks who either came down with them from NC or were related to folks they knew or were collateral with back in NC. His and Penelope's kids also tended to do well in their new location (s) and most of their kids families were worth in the 20K range by 1860 and this was not peanuts. I do get the feeling that these DANIELS did not make their fortunes off the backs of others and that slavery engaged agriculture was not one of their main pursuits. However, I do know they owned slaves but not in the proportions of others of their station in the same area. Also, some were Baptist and some were Methodist and the difference may have been due to who they married and not because of some ideological difference in religious doctrine between these two religions. This is kind of what you have to do with your family or with any family you research because if you do not know them, you will never be able to put them all together. I get hundreds of emails each day but only a few grab my attention. They do not do it by the specific names listed in that post but by the blend of names in that post combined with a specific location in a specific time frame. In the course of the last 15 years I have written hundreds of folks about their DANIEL ancestors and I have gotten hundreds of emails back saying their family was in no way related to my family. This is to be expected, not because my assessment was not correct, but because they did not know their family as well as they thought they did. So, just hang in there and one day we will all see the light and find out the answers to the many questions we have about our specific DANIEL bunch. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vickie Lomon" To: Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 2:12 AM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Notes on Edward Daniel, Mayo River, deeds, also Brett and Walter Daniel,John Daniels, SR. and JR. enclosed are compiled notes by another researcher working on the Edward Daniel line, I don't know how accurate it is, but I thought I would post it to see if anyone reconizes these families and names. EDWARD DANIEL - all information The York County, Va Daniell are descendants of the FIRST FOUR Daniell in Colony of Va. who came from Bristol England area. Somersetshire & Wiltshire branches of the family. Roger - John - Edward - Thomas There are also three other Daniell emigrants - Daniell, Henry, & Walter Colonel Peter Daniel, of Crow's Nest, mentioned as one of the neighbors of George Mason, of historic Gunston Hall, becoming the property of Edward Daniels. Gunston Hall was partially restored by Edward. It is one of the best types of Virginia colonial mansions. Peter, s/o James, s/o Charles, s/o James, the first ancestor - See complete article under Peter - Ancestry and Probable Origin of the Daniell Family of York, VA by Worth Stickley Ray - BK 929.273 D227r 27 Jul 1635 - Edward Daniell & Richard Cary came to Va. on the "Primrose" embarking at Gravesend, England with Capt. Douglass, Master. The Cary & Daniell families related. See Henry Daniell Note: Richard Cary was s/o Christopher Cary, of Bristol, England. He had a brother, John Cary and sister who married Henry Daniell, of Bristol, as shown by an indenture of Christopher Daniell and his wife Margaret, which appears in Waters "Gleanings", in which he states, "my two sons, Richard & John Cary, and my son-in-law, Henry Daniell, dated 1672. The probability that this Henry Daniell & Edward, Roger & John being related, are very strong. Note: Christopher Cary, s/o Christopher Cary, ca 1568-1626, married Lettice Young, was a merchant & Sheriff of Bristol, Eng. He was brother of William Cary (actually ½ bro.) who M: Goodall and had Miles Cary, the emigrant & kinsman of Roger Daniell. "Virginia Carys"p.15-20 Note: Article on Richard Cary, "Virginia Carys", p. 146: " on July 27, 1635, a number of young men bound for Va on the ship Primrose, Capt. Douglass, took the oaths of allegiance & supremacy at Gravesend. Among them was Richard Cary aged 17. He may well have been the same Richard Cary who, on October 13, 1653, patented 1350acres of land in Gloucester Co., VA. In 1662 this last named Richard joined one George Seaton in taking out a patent to 6,000 acres on the Potomac, in Westmoreland Co.,(later Stafford) not far from the 3000 acres which Miles Cary of Warwick had patented in the same county in 1654. He left a will dated Nov. 29, 1682, in which he named tow sons, Richard & John. (The will is lost in the Gloucester recds, but a recital in a deed in 1759. See Virginia Magazine II, page 280 - This Richard Cary could be ancestor of Hugh Cary, administrator of Hugh Ballentine, who sued James Daniel & wife Elizabeth in Goochland, in 1735, as shown by Judge Newman's acct of the Daniel Fam. - Va. Mag. XII, p. 253 - Notes Relating to connection of the Daniell & Cary Fam. by Worth Stickley Ray, 929.273 D227r June 1636 - John Neale, a well known figure on the early records of Accomac Co., VA, appears to have made the first claim to having transported Edward Daniell to the Colony, when he patented 1500a of land on the "Eastern Shore" on this date. (Nugent, p. 43) Among many others claimed at the same time as his headrights were, Thomas Adams, William Pearce, Ann Prosser and Henry Robinson. In the early records of the Daniell family of King & Queen and Carolina, the name of John Prosser frequently occurs as a close associate and neighbor. Two years later on May 10, 1638, the well known resident of the "Eastern Shore", Stephen Charlton, took out a certificate for 1000 acres in Accomac and among the headrights he claimed to own, were Thomas Bell, John Robinson, Edward Daniell and others. William Daniell, bro. of John Daniell of York, VA has a son Alexander Daniell, whose daughter, Elizabeth married Elias Bell. (Nugent, p. 82, for Charleton's patent) It was not until, 8, Oct 1644, after Edward Daniell had been in the colony nearly ten years, that he was used as a headright by Edwin Conway, when he patented his 500a in Northampton, Va, at Hungar's Creek and claimed he had transported to VA, among several others mentioned, Francis Harrison, William Burrell, John Powell and Edward Daniell. This clearly shows that Edward Daniell appeared in VA about the same time as Roger, John, Walter and Henry Daniell. This Edward Daniell settled in Accomac and in Northampton, VA for two years after Neale's patent in 1636. His name appears on the Accomac Co., records as a witness in a dispute between Stephen Charleton and others. (Fleet's VA Abstracts, Vol. 32, p. 61 & 62) In between the several times his name was used as a headright, he may have travel out of the country, selling his headright in each instance, to which he was entitled, to the next person who used it. It is believed that Edward may have went to Maryland; that the Bates and other influences drew him into the Quakers. This has never been proven. He may have been the father of William, who was living in Somerset Co., Maryland, between 1666 & 1700 and that the relationship between William Stone, Governor of Maryland (from Northampton, Va) and his family, accounts for the Daniell Family of Prince George and Charles, Maryland, shown on the Maryland Records. Old Somerset, p. 465 In Torrence's Old Somerset, Anguish Morrow, of Dorset County, MD, married Rose Daniell, of Somerset Co., MD, in 1676 and Edward Evans married Mary Daniell, in Somerset, on May 22, 1677. Worth Stickley Ray, writer of this compilation, is a descendant from Armstrong Morrow, who married Margaret Daniell. While the Morrows, Daniell, and Rays, intermarried for many generations, the above record (Old Somerset, p. 401) is the first such authentic record found that far back. That Mary and Rose Daniell, were daughters of William Daniell, son of Edward Daniell, the emigrant, is not improbable. Ancestry and Probable Origin of the Daniell Family of York, VA by Worth Stickley Ray, p. 40 1636 - Patent - Accomac or Northampton - settled here - could be father of William of Somerset 1666-1700 - Somerset Quakers - 3 Feb 1605 - Marriage of Edward to Anne Walle - Genuki: Surname Index "D" to online transcriptions from Phillimere's Gloucestershire, England Dec 1629 - Captain Daniell took prisoners Captain Constance Ferrar & family - employed by merchants - Emigrants - 1607-1660, pg.88 27 July 1635 - Dannel - Passenger Primrose from London to VA,18 yrs.old -Emigrants 1607-60 Bk p.158 - (B: 1617) 4 Sep 1637 - Wiltshire, England - Marr. to Amy Muspratt - Edward of Poltern, England - tailor - license issued at Salisbury - The Genealogist, Vol 30, New Series, p. 240 8 Oct 1644 - headright to Edwin Conway's patent, Northampton, VA, Transportation of 10 people, Burrell & wife, Harrison, Fixmus, Landwood, Powell, Potter, Ed. Daniel. All headrights. 500a. Colonial Rec 6 Feb 1654 - transported - p. 43 1672 - Testimony given - SR 10880 p.1, Colonial Recds. Lib. of Va Archives Div. 4 June 1672 - Colonial Va - affidavit - Edward left Barbados on 13 Mar 1672, for England, general embargo on all ships at the time - Chancery Regist. Of Affidavits. Trinity 1-3, 1p, - Colonial Va SR 10880 1697 - Lawyer - SR04775 p.l Va Colonial Recds. Personal names. Lib. of Va Archives Div. 14 Dec 1736 - (New Kent?)Va - dau. Eustance born this date - .. 30 June 1743 - Goochland, Va - 400a both sides of Neds Creek, branch of Fluvanna - patents 211, 1742- 43 pg 296 - Goochland Land Patents Va. Card #6 1748 - Albemarle, Va - moved here from Willis Rv., Cumberland, Va - believed to be related to Walter of New Kent, 1741 - of whom Brett Daniel is earliest mentioned in New Kent, Va 1698 - This Edward usually mentioned with George Daniel, 1748, both moved to Albemarle together. - see Walter - FTM, Cd 187, Fam. His Va Gen. #3, 1600-1800, V1, Wm. Daniel of Middlx 1750's Born - Va - M: Anna abt 1775 either Henry, Va or NC border - D: 1833 Grainger, TN - left Will Children: Easter Esther B: 1776 - Henry, Va - M: Liggin Mayes - 2 Jul 1792, Henry, Va D: Rutledge, Grainger, TN Elizabeth Betsy - B: 1778 - Henry, Va - M: Dudley Mayes - 9 Feb 1806, Morristown, Grainger, TN - D: 1840/50 - Grainger, TN Anna Ann B: abt 1780 - Henry, Va - M: Jesse Hodge - 1806, Grainger, TN John Daniell B: 1782 - Va - M: Hannah Grange - 27 Jan 1807, Brunswick, NC D: bef 1880, Grainger, TN Joseph B: 1784 - Henry, Va - M: Rebecca Hodge - 21 Dec 1806, Grainger, TN D: 15 Apr 1842, Grainger, TN Edward Jr. B: 1787 - Henry, Va - M: Precilla Ciller Mays - 22 Dec 1811, Grainger, TN - D: Grainger, TN Mary Polly B: 15 Mar 1790 - Va - M: John Jonathan Mayes - 29 Jan 1813 Grainger, TN - D: 1860/70, Lonesome Valley, Claiborne, TN Bur: Mayes Chapel Cemetery Claiborne, TN Rebecca B: 1792 - Va - M: James Sunderland - 8 Oct 1812, Grainger, TN Sarah Sally B: 1795 - Va - M: Thomas Houston Mayes - 27 Jan 1816, Grainger, TN D: Sumner, TN Bur: Sumner, TN Jemima B: 1797 - Va. - M: Winfry McGee - 12 Jun 1830, Grainger, TN - D: William B: 1799 - Va. - M: Martha May Mayes - 4 Nov 1821, Grainger, TN D: 19 May 1847, Grainger, TN (check Estates & Wills Gr. TN p.522 p. 103) Isaac B: 1804 - Grainger, TN - M: Phebe/Phoebe Mayes - 5 Feb 1831, Grainger, TN - D: bef 20 Nov 1850, Grainger, TN - school teacher 6 Feb 1745 - Indenture bet. John Loyd of Brunswick, Va & his son Thomas Loyd for 200a on s. side of Daniel's Branch, 20a. Gift dated 9 Jan 1744, Deed of gift dated 20 May 1743 & recorded. ftp://ftp.rootseb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/brunswick/deeds/bruns03.txt 12 Jul 1750 - Albemarle, Va 200a. of Wm. Woodson, adj. Isaac Bates & Edward Daniel - on branches of Neds Creek & Randolph Creek. - Valentine Papers 30, p219 Va Genealogy 14 Aug 1760 - Albemarle, 260a Tucker Woodson of Albemarle, bought fr Samuel Southern - both sides Glover Rd. adj. Noel Burton, Wm. Webb, John Cannon, Ed. Daniel, Wm. Woodson, & Stephen Hughes. Valentine Papers Woodson Fam. DB 2,p307 1760 - Halifax, NC (not in 1740) 1776 - Rockingham, NC - Matrimony Creek Baptist Church member - part of Strawberry Ass. of Va & others from Marribone Baptist Church, Henry, Va. - ment. with wife Anna - others: Esther Lacy ( Ed's sister), Phillemon Lacy, her husband, Phebey Mayes (dau. Henry Mayes or wife) Sept 1776 - Members of Matrimony Creek Baptist Church Recds for Rockingham, NC. At one time part of Strawberry Ass. of Va & connected with four other churches. Marribone Baptist, Henry, Va, Big Springs of TN, Blue Springs of Holston, Va. Edward & Anna members listed with Phillemon Lacy, Ester Lacy, Edwards sister, Phebey Mays, (wife of Henry Mayes) Rockingham, NC archives - Web Judy Wright - Complete recd. So. Historical Collection Chapel, NC - www.tree-pages.genealogy.roots.com - minutes Big Springs Primitive 1805 - See 1804-05. abt 1777 - Henry, Va - Enlisted in the VA Militia - 1782 - 1790 Powhatten Co., VA, William Daniel Sr. fell from mill dam & drown. Other Daniels mentioned: William Jr., Stephen, & Henry. (These could be Edwards brothers with William their father or William Sr. brothers. William Sr. had a half bro. named William, who was marr. to a Cox. 1785 - Albemarle, Va - 1st Census - NO DANIEL, MAYES, OR HODGES listed 21 Nov 1785 - Old Guilford, NC - Jury duty, court minutes - 13 Oct 1787 - Rockingham, NC - Bought from Daniel Sullivant, for 50 pds. 100a on Va line and Stewarts Cr. Adj. Farlour, Frederick Caleur (?), and Henry Scales - Deeds Bk 243 29 Aug 1789 - Rockingham, NC - Edward Daniel of Henry Co., Va. Deed to Richard Oakly for 100 pds. 600a on Matrimony Creek, adj. Samuel Gates, Va. line, John Roach, Henry Grogan, Joseph Hopper, and Jenna Hopper - Deed Bk 1 - (interesting, Matrimony Cr. is on Va. line.)* 1790 - Patrick county, Va created from Henry county. aft 1790 - Henry, Va - Statement (see Edward File) made in petition opposing the cost of 9 cent a gal. on all spirits distilled, discouraging that business. Ask for repeal. Many signed, including Edward Daniel - Abstracts of Henry Co. Legislative Petitions. Archived of the VA State Lib. by Marshall Wingfield for Miss Judith Parks America Hill's book, "History of Henry Co. Va", publ. 1925, 1995 by Southern Historical Press, p. 293 1790 - Part of TN called Territory south of the River Ohio. NC ceded this TN area 1790 - Va - Tax List - Henry, Co - Edward - Personal A - pg 5 - also: John the same, Nehemiah Personal B - pg. 5 - Others: May, Mays, Mayse, Jones, Bryant & Witt 24 Apr 1790 - Henry, Va - bought 211a. of Marrowbone Creek from Andrew Rea for 100pds - adj. Geo. Hairston, Tho. Jamison, Goodwin Mayse & David Mayse - Wit: Ed. Adams, Jesse Murphy, Goodwin Mayse - Abstracts Deed Bk 3 & 4 Henry Co.,Va 1784 to 1792 p. 111,112 * Prov.26 April 1790 - FHL #2055330 item 7, reel p. 110 - Note: George Hairston is connected to many pieces of property. He is listed on all of these: Blackberry Crk (North Mayo Rv) USGS Patrick Springs. Property of William Baker Adj. Going, Hollandsworth, King, Abram Mayes, Philpott Boreing (Bowens) Mill Branch on Mayo Rv. Prop. Michel Clous, adj. Randolph, Smith Staples, Taylor Bull Mountain USGS Stuart - Prop. Edmund & John Chitwood, adj. Goin, Hollandsworth King, Lindsay, Penn, Philpott, Sharp, Slater, Staples, Walton Near Koger (Stones) Crk, prop. Of John Duncan, adj. Frazier, Going, Gray, Hamilton, Koger, Newman, Penn Praytor, Vess, Watson Bull run near Horsepasture Crk, prop. Of Cook, adj. East, Hooker, Solomon, Taylor, Vaughn , Watson, John Woodson Cloud Break Mountain, spur of Bull Mt. Prop. William Carter, adj. Eliphaz Shelton Cloud Bottom near Mayo Rv, prop. Josiah Faris, adj. Marr, Penn South Fork near Polebridge Crk, prop. Richard Adams, adj. Allen, Burnett, Gardner, Hancock Noe, Penn, Sharp, Staples others Horsepasture Crk USGS Sanville, prop. James East, adj. Hawkins, Heath, Hooker, Solomon, Taylor, Vaughan, Watson, John Woodson Koger (Stones) Crk USGS Sanville, prop. 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Then there must be two JOhn Daniels that married Hannah Grange, we have a letter from the Greenlee's that specifically name Uncle John Daniel and aunt Hannah, I am waiting on a copy of it and I will post it, Vic "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> wrote:Vivki, The GRANGE and the HOWE family were long associated with the DANIEL family of Charleston. I do not make these assignments, I only keep a record of them and not necessarily that I agree with them. The GRANGE family was of Charleston, descendants of John GRANGE and UNK who later moved to the Cape Fear area of NC. He had two daughters that I know of, Sarah GRANGE born by 1730 who married General Robert HOWE of Brunswick County, NC and Anna born ABT 1734 who married Judge Maurice MOORE of Wilmington, New Hanover County, North Carolina. They also had a brother named, John GRANGE, Jr. and I have no information on him. Generally when I see this name attached to a DANIEL, I think "Charleston DANIEL" for the obvious reasons. Two of the daughters of Gen. Robert HOWE (1732-1786) and Sarah GRANGE married Stephen Bedon DANIEL (ABt 1745-1820) of Brunswick County, NC - Rebecca HOWE in 1764 and her sister, Anne Goodlet HOWE in 1769. The John DANIEL you reference as marrying a Hannah GRANGE was the son of Stephen Bedon DANIEL and Anne Goodlet HOWE and they were married on 27 Jan 1807 in Brunswick County, NC and that is a fact. Feel free to go to the Brunswick County, NC website because that marriage is there for anyone to see. The URL for that website is: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncbrunsw/brunswick.htm Feel free to differ with me at any time. I have no problem with that because I differ quite often with others, as Payne and Jack will attest. I also know there were HARRELLS in and around eastern NC around a lot of the families we see out of IOW County, VA. Your MAYS may be MAY and there were lots of them around this whole bunch. The NORFLEETS, COTTONS and RHODES were also there. These are not Henry County, VA folks but may have moved there, later, from IOW, Brunswick, Surry or even eastern NC. . I am also getting information that some of these eastern NC folks (the WILLSONS) moved to TN and then KY, especially Trigg and Christian County, KY. The BRETTS were folks around Lucy GRAY's DANIEL folks and these folks moved to GA. Lucy says there is some indication they moved to TN, first, and then to GA. Jefferson County, GA is the home place of these BRETS, along with some that went to Jackson County, FL with Lucy's bunch. We also know from which DANIEL family that Lucy's folks descend -- the IOW DANIEL family and this is probably my bunch, too, but I will not know for sure for about eight more weeks. The one family that had Edward as a key given name that is around this bunch is the BRYANS, there may be others. If there has been one DANIEL family that I have concentrated on through the years, is the Charleston bunch. The reason I have concentrated on this family is because I have so many Charleston links in my overall bunch that connect in various ways to the Charleston bunch. The only name in your bunch that I know is that of a George LUMPKIN. I carry a George (1788-1858) the son of Capt. John H. LUMPKIN and Lucy Elizabeth HOBSON of Wilkes County, GA. They moved there from VA. George LUMPLIN married a CALLOWAY, a DAVIS and a POPE. George's brother was the Wilson LUMPKIN, Esq. (1783-1870) who married Sarah WALKER, d/o Rev. Sanders WALKER and Sarah LAMAR of Oglethorpe County, GA. Wilson LUMPKIN and Sarah lived in Morgan County, GA right next to Key's Ferry on the Old Coach Road to Augusta down near Godfrey. Lumpkin County, GA is named for this Governor Wilson LUMPKIN and he is buried in Athens, GA where he went to live after Sarah died in 1819, after a short stint in Mississippi. The CALLOWAYS, the John CALLOWAY and Bethany ARNOLD line of Wilkes County, GA, were all tied up with the LUMPKINS. FYI, Edward is also a big name in the CALLOWAY family. They migrated from MD to eastern NC and then split up with some going into north GA (the John and Job CALLOWAY lines) and some going into middle GA, the Elijah CALLOWAY line, but they were all children of Edward CALLOWAY (1711-1789) and Elizabeth LNU of Onslow County, NC. I wish I could help you more in your research but I cannot. Have you considered DNA testing? That is the only way to tie your bunch back to a common ancestor. However, you need to be real careful to document the person you choose for this testing because there are lots of folks that are not who they portray themselves to be, especially in a line with which you are not personally familiar, like a distant, distant cousin Thank God, we have my cousin Russell DANIEL (my 2C1R) or my DANIEL line would be up that well known tributary without a suitable means of transportation. Normally, I consider a 2C1R to be a distant relative but in genealogy, that is close. In Russ's case, his GGF was my Grand Uncle and his genealogy is all documented. His grandfather was also in the newspaper business, so we have other things in common. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vickie Lomon" To: Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Notes on Edward Daniel, Mayo River, deeds, also Brett and Walter Daniel,John Daniels, SR. and JR. I beg to differ on your take of our Daniel and Mayes bunch, Henry county, VA. Henry Mayes and his wife Phoebe Harrell were there, much is documented on this line, most of all of Edwards children married children of Henry Mays, Sherrod Mays, etc. My Martha Mayes married William Daniel son of Edward Daniel in Grainger county, TN. 1821. Also the John Daniel that married Hannah Grainge is a descendant of Edward Daniel, a cousin is working on this line. Sherrod, Goodwin Mayes are also documented along with this Daniel family. They have wills, etc. on Henry Maze. Can you show me where John Daniel and Hannah Grange actually belong ? Some facts that pertain to John Daniel and Hannah Grainge, if so I will gladly contact the family member and clarify or correct the mistake. Not to offend in anyway, but my intention is to get facts not assumptions as to who they belong to. But Henry Mayes and Pheobe Harrell are diffinatly connected to our line, along with the Bridges, Hills, Jeffre! ys, Cottons, Norfleets, Rhodes, etc. Also there is Edward Daniel and Francis Daniel early in TN. church minutes. Vickie "John R. Clarke" wrote:Vickie, I think you have a lot of apples and oranges in some of that information, especially that part about John DANIELL and Hannah GRANGE moving to Granger County, TN. Or, the MAYES and DANIEL bunch. Granted, I think the DANIELL information is some of the worst we have but I would tend to think this John and Hannah either stayed around eastern NC or moved to somewhere down in SC or GA. As for the MAYES connection, one of the O'DANIELS out of Fairfax County, VA married a MAYES and Robert DANIELL has not been able to find out what happened to him other than his O'DANIEL girl died in SC. That's one of the problems when you look for specific names, there were lots of folks that had the same names in this period because they did not use a lot of different given names. So, it has been real easy for some researchers to grab on to the first Thomas DANIEL they find and say that was their ancestor -- if some will or deeds lists their known ancestor as a son of a Thomas DANIEL. However, that Thomas DANIEL could have been a Thomas DONNEL., Thomas DANIELLY or even a Thomas McDONALD. This is why I try to find the surnames that are collateral with my bunch in a certain area and then look for a blend of those same surnames in the area they moved to later. What I do is work, backwards. First, in my example, I took my known DANIEL bunch in Jefferson County, GA and I have developed all of their collaterals, who they married, where these folks came from and who were the ancestors of their collaterals and where they came from.. In other words, I know most everybody around or even remotely close to my DANIEL family in Burke and Jefferson County, GA. From this I have been able to develop not only a profile of my bunch but also a flavor as to the migration path each of these families took to reach Burke and later, Jefferson County, GA. However, I am dependent, to some degree, on the accuracy of the information researched by others and some of this information stinks. One of these is the TARVER information that has come out of Burke and Jefferson County, GA. I would not trust one scrap of information from this family. There are others, too. One of the things that I know about my Robert C. DANIEL (ABT 1764-AFT 1830) of Burke County, GA is that he or his wife had to come from a rather wealthy family because he hit Burke County, GA with more than pocket change. Considering that most of these families always seemed to find a way to have 10 or more chillen and Robert hit Burke with 10 slaves then he had to come from a family that had, at the very least, 50 or more slaves. I base this on an equal distribution of males and females in his family, meaning their were five boys and five girls and each of the boys got an equal distribution of the estate of their parents. However, his slaves could have come from the estate of his wife's parents, that I do not know. Or, they could have been a equal distribution from both his family and her family or he could have been an only child but I tend to discount this. Regardless, I think the least number of deductions that I must make in this matter is probably the simplest answer -- they came from his family. Since this Robert DANIEL was probably not the oldest boy in his family, he probably did not get a lion's share of his father's estate and over time the few slaves he got from his family could well be represented by the 10 slaves he had in 1820, when he was about age 50-55. It is not just sufficient to chase the given names in a certain family but you must also always chase the money, like the accountants say. So, I know that Robert C. DANIEL of Burke came from a good family, maybe not exactly landed gentry, but somewhere near this lofty group. He also seems to have married well since Isam LANE owned ABT 2,000 acres of land in Greene and Wayne County, NC when he died but I also know that his son, John LANE, got most of this land and not Robert's wife, Penelope LANE. I also know that his chillen in Burke tended to marry folks who either came down with them from NC or were related to folks they knew or were collateral with back in NC. His and Penelope's kids also tended to do well in their new location (s) and most of their kids families were worth in the 20K range by 1860 and this was not peanuts. I do get the feeling that these DANIELS did not make their fortunes off the backs of others and that slavery engaged agriculture was not one of their main pursuits. However, I do know they owned slaves but not in the proportions of others of their station in the same area. Also, some were Baptist and some were Methodist and the difference may have been due to who they married and not because of some ideological difference in religious doctrine between these two religions. This is kind of what you have to do with your family or with any family you research because if you do not know them, you will never be able to put them all together. I get hundreds of emails each day but only a few grab my attention. They do not do it by the specific names listed in that post but by the blend of names in that post combined with a specific location in a specific time frame. In the course of the last 15 years I have written hundreds of folks about their DANIEL ancestors and I have gotten hundreds of emails back saying their family was in no way related to my family. This is to be expected, not because my assessment was not correct, but because they did not know their family as well as they thought they did. So, just hang in there and one day we will all see the light and find out the answers to the many questions we have about our specific DANIEL bunch. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vickie Lomon" To: Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 2:12 AM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Notes on Edward Daniel, Mayo River, deeds, also Brett and Walter Daniel,John Daniels, SR. and JR. enclosed are compiled notes by another researcher working on the Edward Daniel line, I don't know how accurate it is, but I thought I would post it to see if anyone reconizes these families and names. EDWARD DANIEL - all information The York County, Va Daniell are descendants of the FIRST FOUR Daniell in Colony of Va. who came from Bristol England area. Somersetshire & Wiltshire branches of the family. Roger - John - Edward - Thomas There are also three other Daniell emigrants - Daniell, Henry, & Walter Colonel Peter Daniel, of Crow's Nest, mentioned as one of the neighbors of George Mason, of historic Gunston Hall, becoming the property of Edward Daniels. Gunston Hall was partially restored by Edward. It is one of the best types of Virginia colonial mansions. Peter, s/o James, s/o Charles, s/o James, the first ancestor - See complete article under Peter - Ancestry and Probable Origin of the Daniell Family of York, VA by Worth Stickley Ray - BK 929.273 D227r 27 Jul 1635 - Edward Daniell & Richard Cary came to Va. on the "Primrose" embarking at Gravesend, England with Capt. Douglass, Master. The Cary & Daniell families related. See Henry Daniell Note: Richard Cary was s/o Christopher Cary, of Bristol, England. He had a brother, John Cary and sister who married Henry Daniell, of Bristol, as shown by an indenture of Christopher Daniell and his wife Margaret, which appears in Waters "Gleanings", in which he states, "my two sons, Richard & John Cary, and my son-in-law, Henry Daniell, dated 1672. The probability that this Henry Daniell & Edward, Roger & John being related, are very strong. Note: Christopher Cary, s/o Christopher Cary, ca 1568-1626, married Lettice Young, was a merchant & Sheriff of Bristol, Eng. He was brother of William Cary (actually � bro.) who M: Goodall and had Miles Cary, the emigrant & kinsman of Roger Daniell. "Virginia Carys"p.15-20 Note: Article on Richard Cary, "Virginia Carys", p. 146: " on July 27, 1635, a number of young men bound for Va on the ship Primrose, Capt. Douglass, took the oaths of allegiance & supremacy at Gravesend. Among them was Richard Cary aged 17. He may well have been the same Richard Cary who, on October 13, 1653, patented 1350acres of land in Gloucester Co., VA. In 1662 this last named Richard joined one George Seaton in taking out a patent to 6,000 acres on the Potomac, in Westmoreland Co.,(later Stafford) not far from the 3000 acres which Miles Cary of Warwick had patented in the same county in 1654. He left a will dated Nov. 29, 1682, in which he named tow sons, Richard & John. (The will is lost in the Gloucester recds, but a recital in a deed in 1759. See Virginia Magazine II, page 280 - This Richard Cary could be ancestor of Hugh Cary, administrator of Hugh Ballentine, who sued James Daniel & wife Elizabeth in Goochland, in 1735, as shown by Judge Newman's acct of the Daniel Fam. - Va. Mag. XII, p. 253 - Notes Relating to connection of the Daniell & Cary Fam. by Worth Stickley Ray, 929.273 D227r June 1636 - John Neale, a well known figure on the early records of Accomac Co., VA, appears to have made the first claim to having transported Edward Daniell to the Colony, when he patented 1500a of land on the "Eastern Shore" on this date. (Nugent, p. 43) Among many others claimed at the same time as his headrights were, Thomas Adams, William Pearce, Ann Prosser and Henry Robinson. In the early records of the Daniell family of King & Queen and Carolina, the name of John Prosser frequently occurs as a close associate and neighbor. Two years later on May 10, 1638, the well known resident of the "Eastern Shore", Stephen Charlton, took out a certificate for 1000 acres in Accomac and among the headrights he claimed to own, were Thomas Bell, John Robinson, Edward Daniell and others. William Daniell, bro. of John Daniell of York, VA has a son Alexander Daniell, whose daughter, Elizabeth married Elias Bell. (Nugent, p. 82, for Charleton's patent) It was not until, 8, Oct 1644, after Edward Daniell had been in the colony nearly ten years, that he was used as a headright by Edwin Conway, when he patented his 500a in Northampton, Va, at Hungar's Creek and claimed he had transported to VA, among several others mentioned, Francis Harrison, William Burrell, John Powell and Edward Daniell. This clearly shows that Edward Daniell appeared in VA about the same time as Roger, John, Walter and Henry Daniell. This Edward Daniell settled in Accomac and in Northampton, VA for two years after Neale's patent in 1636. His name appears on the Accomac Co., records as a witness in a dispute between Stephen Charleton and others. (Fleet's VA Abstracts, Vol. 32, p. 61 & 62) In between the several times his name was used as a headright, he may have travel out of the country, selling his headright in each instance, to which he was entitled, to the next person who used it. It is believed that Edward may have went to Maryland; that the Bates and other influences drew him into the Quakers. This has never been proven. He may have been the father of William, who was living in Somerset Co., Maryland, between 1666 & 1700 and that the relationship between William Stone, Governor of Maryland (from Northampton, Va) and his family, accounts for the Daniell Family of Prince George and Charles, Maryland, shown on the Maryland Records. Old Somerset, p. 465 In Torrence's Old Somerset, Anguish Morrow, of Dorset County, MD, married Rose Daniell, of Somerset Co., MD, in 1676 and Edward Evans married Mary Daniell, in Somerset, on May 22, 1677. Worth Stickley Ray, writer of this compilation, is a descendant from Armstrong Morrow, who married Margaret Daniell. While the Morrows, Daniell, and Rays, intermarried for many generations, the above record (Old Somerset, p. 401) is the first such authentic record found that far back. That Mary and Rose Daniell, were daughters of William Daniell, son of Edward Daniell, the emigrant, is not improbable. Ancestry and Probable Origin of the Daniell Family of York, VA by Worth Stickley Ray, p. 40 1636 - Patent - Accomac or Northampton - settled here - could be father of William of Somerset 1666-1700 - Somerset Quakers - 3 Feb 1605 - Marriage of Edward to Anne Walle - Genuki: Surname Index "D" to online transcriptions from Phillimere's Gloucestershire, England Dec 1629 - Captain Daniell took prisoners Captain Constance Ferrar & family - employed by merchants - Emigrants - 1607-1660, pg.88 27 July 1635 - Dannel - Passenger Primrose from London to VA,18 yrs.old -Emigrants 1607-60 Bk p.158 - (B: 1617) 4 Sep 1637 - Wiltshire, England - Marr. to Amy Muspratt - Edward of Poltern, England - tailor - license issued at Salisbury - The Genealogist, Vol 30, New Series, p. 240 8 Oct 1644 - headright to Edwin Conway's patent, Northampton, VA, Transportation of 10 people, Burrell & wife, Harrison, Fixmus, Landwood, Powell, Potter, Ed. Daniel. All headrights. 500a. Colonial Rec 6 Feb 1654 - transported - p. 43 1672 - Testimony given - SR 10880 p.1, Colonial Recds. Lib. of Va Archives Div. 4 June 1672 - Colonial Va - affidavit - Edward left Barbados on 13 Mar 1672, for England, general embargo on all ships at the time - Chancery Regist. Of Affidavits. Trinity 1-3, 1p, - Colonial Va SR 10880 1697 - Lawyer - SR04775 p.l Va Colonial Recds. Personal names. Lib. of Va Archives Div. 14 Dec 1736 - (New Kent?)Va - dau. Eustance born this date - .. 30 June 1743 - Goochland, Va - 400a both sides of Neds Creek, branch of Fluvanna - patents 211, 1742- 43 pg 296 - Goochland Land Patents Va. Card #6 1748 - Albemarle, Va - moved here from Willis Rv., Cumberland, Va - believed to be related to Walter of New Kent, 1741 - of whom Brett Daniel is earliest mentioned in New Kent, Va 1698 - This Edward usually mentioned with George Daniel, 1748, both moved to Albemarle together. - see Walter - FTM, Cd 187, Fam. His Va Gen. #3, === message truncated ===

I do know that the Jeffreys , Osborn Jeffreys and Marmaduke Daniel were from Franklin county, NC. Bute . Marmaduke migrated to TN. Grainger county and left Tn. and settled in Kentucky, The Hills, Sion Hill and others Peidmont area, also TN. Green Hill Jr. and Nancy Thomas, JOrdon Hill, Franklin, NC. and surrounding area. The Hills were IOW family lines. and some migrated on to Ark. then to Oklahoma. So far I cannot place any of my Daniel line is Georgia. "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> wrote:Vivki, The GRANGE and the HOWE family were long associated with the DANIEL family of Charleston. I do not make these assignments, I only keep a record of them and not necessarily that I agree with them. The GRANGE family was of Charleston, descendants of John GRANGE and UNK who later moved to the Cape Fear area of NC. He had two daughters that I know of, Sarah GRANGE born by 1730 who married General Robert HOWE of Brunswick County, NC and Anna born ABT 1734 who married Judge Maurice MOORE of Wilmington, New Hanover County, North Carolina. They also had a brother named, John GRANGE, Jr. and I have no information on him. Generally when I see this name attached to a DANIEL, I think "Charleston DANIEL" for the obvious reasons. Two of the daughters of Gen. Robert HOWE (1732-1786) and Sarah GRANGE married Stephen Bedon DANIEL (ABt 1745-1820) of Brunswick County, NC - Rebecca HOWE in 1764 and her sister, Anne Goodlet HOWE in 1769. The John DANIEL you reference as marrying a Hannah GRANGE was the son of Stephen Bedon DANIEL and Anne Goodlet HOWE and they were married on 27 Jan 1807 in Brunswick County, NC and that is a fact. Feel free to go to the Brunswick County, NC website because that marriage is there for anyone to see. The URL for that website is: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncbrunsw/brunswick.htm Feel free to differ with me at any time. I have no problem with that because I differ quite often with others, as Payne and Jack will attest. I also know there were HARRELLS in and around eastern NC around a lot of the families we see out of IOW County, VA. Your MAYS may be MAY and there were lots of them around this whole bunch. The NORFLEETS, COTTONS and RHODES were also there. These are not Henry County, VA folks but may have moved there, later, from IOW, Brunswick, Surry or even eastern NC. . I am also getting information that some of these eastern NC folks (the WILLSONS) moved to TN and then KY, especially Trigg and Christian County, KY. The BRETTS were folks around Lucy GRAY's DANIEL folks and these folks moved to GA. Lucy says there is some indication they moved to TN, first, and then to GA. Jefferson County, GA is the home place of these BRETS, along with some that went to Jackson County, FL with Lucy's bunch. We also know from which DANIEL family that Lucy's folks descend -- the IOW DANIEL family and this is probably my bunch, too, but I will not know for sure for about eight more weeks. The one family that had Edward as a key given name that is around this bunch is the BRYANS, there may be others. If there has been one DANIEL family that I have concentrated on through the years, is the Charleston bunch. The reason I have concentrated on this family is because I have so many Charleston links in my overall bunch that connect in various ways to the Charleston bunch. The only name in your bunch that I know is that of a George LUMPKIN. I carry a George (1788-1858) the son of Capt. John H. LUMPKIN and Lucy Elizabeth HOBSON of Wilkes County, GA. They moved there from VA. George LUMPLIN married a CALLOWAY, a DAVIS and a POPE. George's brother was the Wilson LUMPKIN, Esq. (1783-1870) who married Sarah WALKER, d/o Rev. Sanders WALKER and Sarah LAMAR of Oglethorpe County, GA. Wilson LUMPKIN and Sarah lived in Morgan County, GA right next to Key's Ferry on the Old Coach Road to Augusta down near Godfrey. Lumpkin County, GA is named for this Governor Wilson LUMPKIN and he is buried in Athens, GA where he went to live after Sarah died in 1819, after a short stint in Mississippi. The CALLOWAYS, the John CALLOWAY and Bethany ARNOLD line of Wilkes County, GA, were all tied up with the LUMPKINS. FYI, Edward is also a big name in the CALLOWAY family. They migrated from MD to eastern NC and then split up with some going into north GA (the John and Job CALLOWAY lines) and some going into middle GA, the Elijah CALLOWAY line, but they were all children of Edward CALLOWAY (1711-1789) and Elizabeth LNU of Onslow County, NC. I wish I could help you more in your research but I cannot. Have you considered DNA testing? That is the only way to tie your bunch back to a common ancestor. However, you need to be real careful to document the person you choose for this testing because there are lots of folks that are not who they portray themselves to be, especially in a line with which you are not personally familiar, like a distant, distant cousin Thank God, we have my cousin Russell DANIEL (my 2C1R) or my DANIEL line would be up that well known tributary without a suitable means of transportation. Normally, I consider a 2C1R to be a distant relative but in genealogy, that is close. In Russ's case, his GGF was my Grand Uncle and his genealogy is all documented. His grandfather was also in the newspaper business, so we have other things in common. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vickie Lomon" To: Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Notes on Edward Daniel, Mayo River, deeds, also Brett and Walter Daniel,John Daniels, SR. and JR. I beg to differ on your take of our Daniel and Mayes bunch, Henry county, VA. Henry Mayes and his wife Phoebe Harrell were there, much is documented on this line, most of all of Edwards children married children of Henry Mays, Sherrod Mays, etc. My Martha Mayes married William Daniel son of Edward Daniel in Grainger county, TN. 1821. Also the John Daniel that married Hannah Grainge is a descendant of Edward Daniel, a cousin is working on this line. Sherrod, Goodwin Mayes are also documented along with this Daniel family. They have wills, etc. on Henry Maze. Can you show me where John Daniel and Hannah Grange actually belong ? Some facts that pertain to John Daniel and Hannah Grainge, if so I will gladly contact the family member and clarify or correct the mistake. Not to offend in anyway, but my intention is to get facts not assumptions as to who they belong to. But Henry Mayes and Pheobe Harrell are diffinatly connected to our line, along with the Bridges, Hills, Jeffre! ys, Cottons, Norfleets, Rhodes, etc. Also there is Edward Daniel and Francis Daniel early in TN. church minutes. Vickie "John R. Clarke" wrote:Vickie, I think you have a lot of apples and oranges in some of that information, especially that part about John DANIELL and Hannah GRANGE moving to Granger County, TN. Or, the MAYES and DANIEL bunch. Granted, I think the DANIELL information is some of the worst we have but I would tend to think this John and Hannah either stayed around eastern NC or moved to somewhere down in SC or GA. As for the MAYES connection, one of the O'DANIELS out of Fairfax County, VA married a MAYES and Robert DANIELL has not been able to find out what happened to him other than his O'DANIEL girl died in SC. That's one of the problems when you look for specific names, there were lots of folks that had the same names in this period because they did not use a lot of different given names. So, it has been real easy for some researchers to grab on to the first Thomas DANIEL they find and say that was their ancestor -- if some will or deeds lists their known ancestor as a son of a Thomas DANIEL. However, that Thomas DANIEL could have been a Thomas DONNEL., Thomas DANIELLY or even a Thomas McDONALD. This is why I try to find the surnames that are collateral with my bunch in a certain area and then look for a blend of those same surnames in the area they moved to later. What I do is work, backwards. First, in my example, I took my known DANIEL bunch in Jefferson County, GA and I have developed all of their collaterals, who they married, where these folks came from and who were the ancestors of their collaterals and where they came from.. In other words, I know most everybody around or even remotely close to my DANIEL family in Burke and Jefferson County, GA. From this I have been able to develop not only a profile of my bunch but also a flavor as to the migration path each of these families took to reach Burke and later, Jefferson County, GA. However, I am dependent, to some degree, on the accuracy of the information researched by others and some of this information stinks. One of these is the TARVER information that has come out of Burke and Jefferson County, GA. I would not trust one scrap of information from this family. There are others, too. One of the things that I know about my Robert C. DANIEL (ABT 1764-AFT 1830) of Burke County, GA is that he or his wife had to come from a rather wealthy family because he hit Burke County, GA with more than pocket change. Considering that most of these families always seemed to find a way to have 10 or more chillen and Robert hit Burke with 10 slaves then he had to come from a family that had, at the very least, 50 or more slaves. I base this on an equal distribution of males and females in his family, meaning their were five boys and five girls and each of the boys got an equal distribution of the estate of their parents. However, his slaves could have come from the estate of his wife's parents, that I do not know. Or, they could have been a equal distribution from both his family and her family or he could have been an only child but I tend to discount this. Regardless, I think the least number of deductions that I must make in this matter is probably the simplest answer -- they came from his family. Since this Robert DANIEL was probably not the oldest boy in his family, he probably did not get a lion's share of his father's estate and over time the few slaves he got from his family could well be represented by the 10 slaves he had in 1820, when he was about age 50-55. It is not just sufficient to chase the given names in a certain family but you must also always chase the money, like the accountants say. So, I know that Robert C. DANIEL of Burke came from a good family, maybe not exactly landed gentry, but somewhere near this lofty group. He also seems to have married well since Isam LANE owned ABT 2,000 acres of land in Greene and Wayne County, NC when he died but I also know that his son, John LANE, got most of this land and not Robert's wife, Penelope LANE. I also know that his chillen in Burke tended to marry folks who either came down with them from NC or were related to folks they knew or were collateral with back in NC. His and Penelope's kids also tended to do well in their new location (s) and most of their kids families were worth in the 20K range by 1860 and this was not peanuts. I do get the feeling that these DANIELS did not make their fortunes off the backs of others and that slavery engaged agriculture was not one of their main pursuits. However, I do know they owned slaves but not in the proportions of others of their station in the same area. Also, some were Baptist and some were Methodist and the difference may have been due to who they married and not because of some ideological difference in religious doctrine between these two religions. This is kind of what you have to do with your family or with any family you research because if you do not know them, you will never be able to put them all together. I get hundreds of emails each day but only a few grab my attention. They do not do it by the specific names listed in that post but by the blend of names in that post combined with a specific location in a specific time frame. In the course of the last 15 years I have written hundreds of folks about their DANIEL ancestors and I have gotten hundreds of emails back saying their family was in no way related to my family. This is to be expected, not because my assessment was not correct, but because they did not know their family as well as they thought they did. So, just hang in there and one day we will all see the light and find out the answers to the many questions we have about our specific DANIEL bunch. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vickie Lomon" To: Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 2:12 AM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Notes on Edward Daniel, Mayo River, deeds, also Brett and Walter Daniel,John Daniels, SR. and JR. enclosed are compiled notes by another researcher working on the Edward Daniel line, I don't know how accurate it is, but I thought I would post it to see if anyone reconizes these families and names. EDWARD DANIEL - all information The York County, Va Daniell are descendants of the FIRST FOUR Daniell in Colony of Va. who came from Bristol England area. Somersetshire & Wiltshire branches of the family. Roger - John - Edward - Thomas There are also three other Daniell emigrants - Daniell, Henry, & Walter Colonel Peter Daniel, of Crow's Nest, mentioned as one of the neighbors of George Mason, of historic Gunston Hall, becoming the property of Edward Daniels. Gunston Hall was partially restored by Edward. It is one of the best types of Virginia colonial mansions. Peter, s/o James, s/o Charles, s/o James, the first ancestor - See complete article under Peter - Ancestry and Probable Origin of the Daniell Family of York, VA by Worth Stickley Ray - BK 929.273 D227r 27 Jul 1635 - Edward Daniell & Richard Cary came to Va. on the "Primrose" embarking at Gravesend, England with Capt. Douglass, Master. The Cary & Daniell families related. See Henry Daniell Note: Richard Cary was s/o Christopher Cary, of Bristol, England. He had a brother, John Cary and sister who married Henry Daniell, of Bristol, as shown by an indenture of Christopher Daniell and his wife Margaret, which appears in Waters "Gleanings", in which he states, "my two sons, Richard & John Cary, and my son-in-law, Henry Daniell, dated 1672. The probability that this Henry Daniell & Edward, Roger & John being related, are very strong. Note: Christopher Cary, s/o Christopher Cary, ca 1568-1626, married Lettice Young, was a merchant & Sheriff of Bristol, Eng. He was brother of William Cary (actually � bro.) who M: Goodall and had Miles Cary, the emigrant & kinsman of Roger Daniell. "Virginia Carys"p.15-20 Note: Article on Richard Cary, "Virginia Carys", p. 146: " on July 27, 1635, a number of young men bound for Va on the ship Primrose, Capt. Douglass, took the oaths of allegiance & supremacy at Gravesend. Among them was Richard Cary aged 17. He may well have been the same Richard Cary who, on October 13, 1653, patented 1350acres of land in Gloucester Co., VA. In 1662 this last named Richard joined one George Seaton in taking out a patent to 6,000 acres on the Potomac, in Westmoreland Co.,(later Stafford) not far from the 3000 acres which Miles Cary of Warwick had patented in the same county in 1654. He left a will dated Nov. 29, 1682, in which he named tow sons, Richard & John. (The will is lost in the Gloucester recds, but a recital in a deed in 1759. See Virginia Magazine II, page 280 - This Richard Cary could be ancestor of Hugh Cary, administrator of Hugh Ballentine, who sued James Daniel & wife Elizabeth in Goochland, in 1735, as shown by Judge Newman's acct of the Daniel Fam. - Va. Mag. XII, p. 253 - Notes Relating to connection of the Daniell & Cary Fam. by Worth Stickley Ray, 929.273 D227r June 1636 - John Neale, a well known figure on the early records of Accomac Co., VA, appears to have made the first claim to having transported Edward Daniell to the Colony, when he patented 1500a of land on the "Eastern Shore" on this date. (Nugent, p. 43) Among many others claimed at the same time as his headrights were, Thomas Adams, William Pearce, Ann Prosser and Henry Robinson. In the early records of the Daniell family of King & Queen and Carolina, the name of John Prosser frequently occurs as a close associate and neighbor. Two years later on May 10, 1638, the well known resident of the "Eastern Shore", Stephen Charlton, took out a certificate for 1000 acres in Accomac and among the headrights he claimed to own, were Thomas Bell, John Robinson, Edward Daniell and others. William Daniell, bro. of John Daniell of York, VA has a son Alexander Daniell, whose daughter, Elizabeth married Elias Bell. (Nugent, p. 82, for Charleton's patent) It was not until, 8, Oct 1644, after Edward Daniell had been in the colony nearly ten years, that he was used as a headright by Edwin Conway, when he patented his 500a in Northampton, Va, at Hungar's Creek and claimed he had transported to VA, among several others mentioned, Francis Harrison, William Burrell, John Powell and Edward Daniell. This clearly shows that Edward Daniell appeared in VA about the same time as Roger, John, Walter and Henry Daniell. This Edward Daniell settled in Accomac and in Northampton, VA for two years after Neale's patent in 1636. His name appears on the Accomac Co., records as a witness in a dispute between Stephen Charleton and others. (Fleet's VA Abstracts, Vol. 32, p. 61 & 62) In between the several times his name was used as a headright, he may have travel out of the country, selling his headright in each instance, to which he was entitled, to the next person who used it. It is believed that Edward may have went to Maryland; that the Bates and other influences drew him into the Quakers. This has never been proven. He may have been the father of William, who was living in Somerset Co., Maryland, between 1666 & 1700 and that the relationship between William Stone, Governor of Maryland (from Northampton, Va) and his family, accounts for the Daniell Family of Prince George and Charles, Maryland, shown on the Maryland Records. Old Somerset, p. 465 In Torrence's Old Somerset, Anguish Morrow, of Dorset County, MD, married Rose Daniell, of Somerset Co., MD, in 1676 and Edward Evans married Mary Daniell, in Somerset, on May 22, 1677. Worth Stickley Ray, writer of this compilation, is a descendant from Armstrong Morrow, who married Margaret Daniell. While the Morrows, Daniell, and Rays, intermarried for many generations, the above record (Old Somerset, p. 401) is the first such authentic record found that far back. That Mary and Rose Daniell, were daughters of William Daniell, son of Edward Daniell, the emigrant, is not improbable. Ancestry and Probable Origin of the Daniell Family of York, VA by Worth Stickley Ray, p. 40 1636 - Patent - Accomac or Northampton - settled here - could be father of William of Somerset 1666-1700 - Somerset Quakers - 3 Feb 1605 - Marriage of Edward to Anne Walle - Genuki: Surname Index "D" to online transcriptions from Phillimere's Gloucestershire, England Dec 1629 - Captain Daniell took prisoners Captain Constance Ferrar & family - employed by merchants - Emigrants - 1607-1660, pg.88 27 July 1635 - Dannel - Passenger Primrose from London to VA,18 yrs.old -Emigrants 1607-60 Bk p.158 - (B: 1617) 4 Sep 1637 - Wiltshire, England - Marr. to Amy Muspratt - Edward of Poltern, England - tailor - license issued at Salisbury - The Genealogist, Vol 30, New Series, p. 240 8 Oct 1644 - headright to Edwin Conway's patent, Northampton, VA, Transportation of 10 people, Burrell & wife, Harrison, Fixmus, Landwood, Powell, Potter, Ed. Daniel. All headrights. 500a. Colonial Rec 6 Feb 1654 - transported - p. 43 1672 - Testimony given - SR 10880 p.1, Colonial Recds. Lib. of Va Archives Div. 4 June 1672 - Colonial Va - affidavit - Edward left Barbados on 13 Mar 1672, for England, general embargo on all ships at the time - Chancery Regist. Of Affidavits. Trinity 1-3, 1p, - Colonial Va SR 10880 1697 - Lawyer - SR04775 p.l Va Colonial Recds. Personal names. Lib. of Va Archives Div. 14 Dec 1736 - (New Kent?)Va - dau. Eustance born this date - .. 30 June 1743 - Goochland, Va - 400a both sides of Neds Creek, branch of Fluvanna - patents 211, 1742- 43 pg 296 - Goochland Land Patents Va. Card #6 1748 - Albemarle, Va - moved here from Willis Rv., Cumberland, Va - believed to be related to Walter of New Kent, 1741 - of whom Brett Daniel is earliest mentioned in New Kent, Va 1698 - This Edward usually mentioned with George Daniel, 1748, both moved to Albemarle together. - see Walter - FTM, Cd 187, Fam. His Va Gen. #3, === message truncated ===

Hi again, John. Our 7 DANIEL folk who are searching for Edward Daniel, Sr. have all the info that Vickie sent plus lots more from Tennessee. Also, my direct line and grandfather, great-grandfather and great-great-grandfather were in Tennessee, and settled in Kentucky and Illinois where I was born. My great-great-grandfather and wife are buried in Kentucky near where I live but they were in Tennessee originally. My great-grandfather and grandfather are also born in Pulaski County, Illinois where I was born. In our present Daniel/Daniels families a 4th cousin has done DNA for 12, 14, 37 markers and matched with 10 other DNA testers. My nephew, Michael Daniels (my grandfather added the s to our name) son of my deceased brother, Ray Daniels, recently took the 12 marker DNA and we haven't received the results yet. We believe we will learn more from these Daniel male DNA tests than we can ever find on the internet! I am also going to do the female Daniel DNA test although it won't be as informative as it is for the male because of the wives whose lines muddy the waters, however whatever I learn would be fine with me. Please do go to Denny Brubaker's site and ask for his list of DANIEL and Mayes. You will see the Mayes and Daniel that Vickie has written about. I do suppose that it wouldn't be very interesting to you since your lines were in Georgia and other areas that our lines don't include and obviously don't connect with your line in any way. Good luck in your search! Evelyn