Payne, The significance is -- Hillary's niece married one of these DANIEL boys from Pitt and this whole bunch is tied together, both in NC and later in GA. I do not think we are going to find the answers that many of us seek looking at these DANIELS because if we were -- we would already have found it. The answers, I think, will be in their collaterals and not in their main line. As I have said many times, it is easy to cobble up a genealogy over one line but it is difficult to do it over several lines. The greater the number of lines involved, the more difficult it becomes. This is why I look so closely at collaterals and I can usually tell from a glance at the surnames involved, from which DANIEL line they probably descended. I may have 5,000 different DANIELS in my records but I have 40,000 of their collaterals, or more, in my records and notes. It is real easy to take down what someone has sent you on their family but when you start comparing that information against the known information of other families, you often run into real difficulties because it does not match up. I spend a good portion of my time correcting errors in this information, as new information becomes available. The one DANIEL family I do not carry a lot on is the Essex bunch, which seems to be one of your families of interest. All of the rest of them I have a pretty good understanding of. I also see a lot of posts on McDANIELS, McDONALDS and others that I know later became DANIEL and this is especially true of a lot of families from PA. VA and TN, especially those that migrated to the Midwest in a later time frame. There are four big "cotton mill" families in GA -- the CASONS, CANNONS, JONES and CALLOWAYS. I have two in my bunch and I think the other two. I also know that a cotton mill boy of Athens, Robert DANIEL, is reported to have been in the same type of business and family sources say his family in Athens was related to my bunch but guess who claims this boy -- the DANIELL family of Bogart but they have also claimed about every DANIEL in east Georgia and western SC that has two cents in their pockets, at one time or another so I do not believe everything I hear from that bunch. This is one of the primary reasons I look at this SC bunch, not to mention all of my other connections to Charleston nor the fact that one of the RIVERS family of James Island owned Gov. Robert DANIELL's home in Charleston up to the turn of the 20th Century. Like you, I see all type of compiled genealogical information submitted by subscribers to this list, as well as to other lists. Usually, if the name, DANIEL, is involved, I can look over the surnames and locations involved and have a pretty good guess as to whether it is accurate or not. I also see a lot of this information that does not pass the smell test. I am not interested in who someone's Granny SMITH married or even who her parents were because that only puts us back to 1850 and 1850 information is useless to me. I want early information (before 1800) because that is where the errors usually come into a lot of this compiled information. I know it becomes boring to you and others concerning the relationship(s) I try to explain in some of these families and for this, I am sorry. However, if you do not understand these inter-relationships, you do not understand your DANIEL family, which opens the door for incorrect assignments. As I have stated many times, just because your great aunt, Sally, told your mother when she was a young girl that your ancestors were a John DANIEL and Mary SMITH, does not mean the first John DANIEL and Mary SMITH you happen to find living in your neck of the woods in the right time frame were your ancestors. However, they could be, but only after you verify this information through bible records, civil records, court records and tombstones, to an acceptable degree of certainty. As for me, the only records I trust to a 100% certainty are tombstones because if they list the name of the parent, they are irrefutable. Civil records, court records and bible records often leave much to be desired because parents sometimes leave the names of some of their children off these records for one reason or another or they were not written, contemporaneously. Court records and civil records are left to the discretion or others and there are many errors in some of these records, often because someone has taken part of them out of context. As genealogical researchers, we also have to use a lot of transcribed records and the accuracy of these records is left to the abilities of the transcriber and a lot of these folks, though well meaning, still have to count to 10 with their fingers. This is why I always go back to the original document if I have any question about a specific family or transcribed entry. It is surprising how some of this information may change when you do this, too.......... John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Hillary CASON > What is the significance of this Hillary CASON connection to Daniel > research? At least we did change the "subject line" as Gerald suggested. > > Curious in Tampa. Payne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 8:11 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Hillary CASON > > > Diane, > I do not trust some of these dates you generally see for Hillary > CASON's > chillen or for many of these other families, for that matter. For one, > Hillary CASON, Sr. married Sarah Barrow ORMANS in 1763, according to my > information, but some list their kids born as late as 1792, which is > unreasonable because he wife would have been age 53 in 1792, since she was > born in 1739. > My guess is you can add about 20 years to the date they were married > and > about 1783 would have been it, for most females, or age 45 for the wife, > whichever comes first. So, if that is Hillary CASON, Jr. in Sampson > County, > NC in 1790, with a young wife, then he was probably about age 21, giving > him > a DOB of 1765-1769, which makes since to me. > My information on Hillary, Jr.'s wife is that she was a Mary SMITH whom > he married in 1803 in Screven County, GA, but I have no other information > on > her. I also have information that he died in Arkansas and Hillary, Sr. in > 1814 in Screven County, GA and his wife, Sarah Ormand CASON a few years > later, 1823, in Bryan County, Georgia. > Sampson County, NC also rings a bell with these early eastern GA folks > because a lot of them came from Sampson County, NC, including my maternal > REGISTER bunch who migrated into Bulloch County, GA where they tie in with > the TOMLINSONS, MIZELLS and others. The MIZELLS were from Martin County, > NC > and a lot of these other folks, including the HARDEMANS, MOORES and > SIRMANS > were from Pitt County, NC. A good portion of this whole bunch ended up, > later, in Clinch County, GA although some of the MIZELLS moved to the > Wayne > County, GA area and then over into Hamilton County, FL when it opened up. > The TOMLINSONS were from Bristol Parish, Prince George County, VA, > according to my information, but I think they migrated over into the > Chowan > Area of NC because I pick up FORT connections to this TOMLINSON family, > later, and these FORTS were, originally, from Surry County, VA, later > Johnston County, NC. > The History of Baldwin County, GA say that Arthur FORT, Jr. (1750-1833) > of Milledgeville,Baldwin County, GA married a MS Susannah TOMLINSON, a > daughter of a Quaker Family from PA but I kind of doubt that assignment > because I think she was a sister of my 5th GGF, Capt. John TOMLINSON RS-SC > (1750-1801) of Bulloch County, GA who married Rebecca Lucretia HARDEMAN, > d/o > Thomas HARDEMAN of Pitt County, NC.. > I cannot disprove an earlier Quaker connection to this TOMLINSON family > because they do have a few "Quaker" type female names in their family but > both John and his father, William TOMLINSON (1730-1789) RS-SC, are DAR > recognized "Patriots," as is Arthur FORT, Jr (RS-SC). > We also know the STAFFORDS, MAYS, JOHNSTONS and some of the DANIELS > migrated from Johnston and Pitt County, NC to Beaufort County, SC in the > 1770 time frame and this appears to be about the same time my TOMLINSON > bunch migrated from NC to the same area Beaufort District, SC. They would > later move to Effingham and Bulloch County, GA where they renewed their > family collateral relationships with those families with which they have > been close back in NC, including the MOORES, HARDEMANS and SIRMANS. > BTW, my maternal grandmother was a TOMLINSON from the Magnolia District > of Clinch County, GA and this whole bunch from NC were all RS, so you can > just about say any family around them were RS, too. I have often wondered > about my father's DANIEL bunch but everything around them appears to be > RS, > too, even the LANES. So, there may have been a few Tories floating around > this bunch, there always seems to be, at least, one black sheep in every > family, but I have not seen them, as yet, in any of my proven lines. > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diane Carrington Bradford" <wdbradford@mindspring.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 12:28 AM > Subject: RE: [DANIEL-L] Hillary CASON > > >> If anyone is interested, there was also a Hillary Cason on the 1790 >> Sampson County, NC Census. I accidentally ran across this while >> looking for something else. It's at URL: >> ftp://ftp.us-census.org/pub/usgenweb/census/nc/sampson/1790/pg0114.txt >> >> ====================================================================== >> ======== >> CENSUS YEAR: 1790 STATE: NC COUNTY: Sampson >> ====================================================================== >> ======== >> | |FREE WHITE |ALL | | >> | |Males |OTHER | | >> |HEAD OF HOUSEHOLD |16 to |FREE | | >> PG#-LN|LAST NAME FIRST NAME |up 16 >> Females|Persons|Slaves|Remarks >> ====================================================================== >> ======== >> 133-1 Orion, Peter 1 . . . . >> . >> 133-2 Hair, Joel 1 . 2 . . >> . >> 133-3 Cason, Hillary 1 . 1 . . >> . >> 133-4 Snell, Sarah 1 3 3 . 10 >> . >> 133-5 Wiggs, Lydia . 1 1 . . >> . >> 133-6 Atkinson, Thomas 1 . . . . >> . >> >> >> Diane Carrington Bradford >> Atlanta, GA >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Runforf471@aol.com [mailto:Runforf471@aol.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 5:24 PM >> To: DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Hillary CASON >> >> >> In a message dated 4/14/2004 5:02:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >> jclarke@rose.net writes: >> Hillary CASON is not on the 1790 >> census, that I can find, because I remember, somewhere reading, that >> he >> moved to GA ABT 1790. >> John, >> >> A Hillary CASON is on 1790 census in Pitt unless there is a >> trannscriber >> error. See page 1451. >> >> http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/pitt/census/1790/1790censusPit >> t.txt >> >> Mike >> >> >> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >> DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of >> messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral >> families or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical >> research -- are not allowed on this list. >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >> Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? 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