Let's toss some more fat on the fire regarding James Daniel + Grizzell Clements being the son or grandson of William Daniel Jr., and Elizabeth Coleman. (Caroline Co., VA.) Heinemann assigns a son James (-41- Son of 11) to this family (William Jr.) and states that he (James) probably married a Drucilla or Pricilla Harrison. Cousin Joe Daniel and I believe that this James was the son of James Daniel II, the son of James of Essex Co., Va. That isn't to say that William Jr., did not have a son James, we just believe that James #41 was not his son. So is the door open for William Jr. to have a son James? And, he would be the brother of Edmund, Thomas, et. al. DANIELS? If James was born in 1765, William Jr. might be a little long in the tooth and James might not be a brother but a nephew to Edmund, Thomas, etc. Now, I am going to review everybody's ideas again to see where we might slip old James into a family. Payne "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- Benjamin Disraeli ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Cordial, James, Edmund DANIEL > Mike and Annie, > There are a lot of things that make me question some of the stuff we > have seen out of Greene County, GA, especially as relates to Thomas and > Sarah DANIEL. > What I do know is that Charles is not a family name in this DANIEL > bunch, that I can tell. What I do know is that Charles is a big given name > in the CUNNINGHAMS of SW Virginia. > If anything, I think that Charles DANIEL (1773-1800) who married > Elizabeth COFFEE may be a descendant of the DANIEL-KELSO bunch and not > Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA. Or if he is indeed a descendant of > Thomas DANIEL, then Thomas was out of this DANIEL-KELSO bunch, somewhere, or > at least, a family closely associated with the CUNNINGHAMS. > My reasoning is -- given named flow in families like water and Charles > is a definite CUNNINGHAM family name. Also, the CARROLS are tied to the > family of Daniel COLEMAN of Warren County, NC, whose descendants end up in > Greene County, GA tied to the same Thomas DANIEL family. The CARROLLS are > also one of the families closely identified as having followed the > CUNNINGHAMS, along with the Kelso-DANIEL bunch, as well as the CARLTONS, > COFFEES and others to GA from PA. > I also know that one of these CARLTONS, a John K. CARLTON, Esq. was of > Thomas County, GA and his brother, Henry, was in Morgan County, GA, located > adjacent to Greene County, GA. I also do not know what the K. stood for in > this John's name but I would not bet against, KELSO. Just how many other > surnames do we know that start with K. and are located around this bunch. > Not many..... > We know the Coleman, Spilsby and Asbury DANIEL bunch were in Greene and > Morgan County, GA, early, but this does not mean they were related to the > Cunningham-Daniel bunch in Greene County, GA. The key thing, to me, is > profile and the Cunningham-Daniel bunch were high steppers, as best I can > tell. I do not see this same profile in this other DANIEL family. I also > know the HUNTERS of Greene County, GA were also high steppers, which seems > to follow. > There are several DANIELS that float, early, in Morgan County, GA. A > William DANIEL who d.unm. and w/o heirs in 1839 had a brother named James > and a father named, John. This from his 1839 Morgan County, GA will. > I also know there was a Capt. James L. DANIEL of Morgan County, GA who > died in a hotel in Macon, GA in 1850. I also believe he was the James > DANIEL mentioned in William's 1839 will of Morgan County. Which John DANIEL > was their father, I do not know but the name, Littleberry or something > similar to that, was a name listed in William's 1839 will, probated in > Morgan County, GA. > Some of this LITTLEBERY information may point back to Halifax County, > NC, a place that some say were the origins of Thomas DANIEL of Greene > County, GA. Or, it may point back to the COCKE and LITTLEBERRY families of > Charles City County, VA or the BUSH and LITTLEBERRY families of Edgefield, > SC. I do not know which, if any of these families was the source of this > name, LITTLEBERRY. > I would not be against the possibility that a lot of these DANIELS were > either recent immigrants from Ireland, Scotland or England or Yankee DANIELS > who moved south, as did a lot of other families in that time frame, my > family, included. They may have stayed just long enough in VA for folks to > now think they were descendants of early VA families, when, in fact, they > were not. I have scads of New England families that migrated south into VA > for one generation and then on south into GA by 1800. Were these DANIEL > families any different? I am beginning to think, not....... > It may take DNA analysis to straighten out this mess in Greene County, > GA because there is just too much conflicting information out there on all > of these families....... > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Runforf471@aol.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:09 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Cordial, James, Edmund DANIEL > > > > Annie, > > > > Truly good stuff! I think there may be something here. I will give you my > > thoughts and answer Payne & John's exchange of yesterday concerning James > DANIEL, > > husband of Grizzell Clements, being a son of Woodson DANIEL of Wake Cty., > NC. > > You and I seem to agree that James may be related in some manner to > Edmund. > > You mention the possibility that James was Edmund's brother. I think it > may > > be more probable that James was Edmund's nephew, a son of Edmund's brother > > James. I suspect Edmund's brother James may have been a bit long in the > tooth to > > marry Grizzell. I had recorded an old quote from an article in the > Huxford > > Genealogy Society Magazine Vol. #25 No. 4 Dec.1998 that states that James > > (Grizzell's hsbnd.) was a son of James. > > > > As to the Woodson DANIEL connection, I have several theories as to how > they > > may have started. Firstly, Woodson's daughter Elizabeth did in fact marry > > William CLEMENTS, Grizell's older (half?) brother 15 Mar 1779 in Wake > Cty., NC. > > Secondly, Mary Rowan DANIEL wrote in "The First Families of Henry County, > > Georgia" that James (Grizzell's hsbnd.) was son of Woodson DANIEL. > However, she also > > states Woodson is out of the Middlesex Cty., Va DANIEL's being a son of > > William DANIEL & Elizabeth WATKINS and that Woodson died in Greenville, > NC. We > > have pretty much established that Woodson of Wake Cty., NC died in Wake > Cty by > > his will and subsequent inventories in court records. Many believe > Woodson was > > son of James DANIEL and Elizabeth WOODSON of Goochland Cty., VA. (Roger > DANIEL > > line) and as it has been pointed out on list exchanges previously this has > > never been conclusively proven. > > > > I have chosen to believe that Woodson was a son of James and Elizabeth > > WOODSON and that James, son of Woodson was James Daniel of Rowan Cty., NC > who > > married the widow Rebecca Travis ADDERTON. James and Woodson's sons John, > David, > > Benjamin are all at times living in Rowan Cty., NC in close proximity. As > Payne > > mentioned we have both corresponded with a professional researcher working > > for another party to establish the ancestry of one of David's daughters, > who > > concurs with this thinking. > > > > At any rate I have a stronger feeling that James and Grizell somehow fit > into > > the Edmund, Thomas et al. DANIELS. > > > > Sorry about butchering the spelling of Grizell earlier. > > > > Mike > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to > change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to > contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change the subject of a reply message. >