Payne, Being a little long in the tooth or still carrying ones baby teeth has never been a prerequisite for assignment before, so, why stop when you are on a roll? <grin> The CLEMENTS are generally a Surry County, VA bunch, so one would think they would generally tie into an Surry/IOW area family and we see a lot of that. The general links I see in the CLEMENTS are to Southside and then down to Wake and Granville County, NC. We also know that Peyton CLEMENTS, Grisille's father, lived in Granville. Granville is also home to some of the Middlesex bunch but it is also adjacent to PE County, VA where the CUNNINGHAMS, COFFEES and that bunch migrated through on the way to GA. We also know that a lot of the families in Lunenburg and PE County, VA had direct links into Granville County, NC. I do not know but what I do know is -- I am not seeing a lot of Essex County, VA families in the Greene County, GA area. These could be Essex County, VA DANIELS but I would have to see a lot more of them and their collaterals in this area of GA to convince me of that fact. Now, the families of Essex are not one of my stronger suits, so I will defer to your judgment on them. I am seeing some eastern VA families in the Greene County, GA area but a lot of them are western VA families who formerly lived in either north-central and western VA or southern PA; combined with more than several "Southside" VA families -- all with big bucks to spread around. I think you have to look who this whole bunch married into in order to know where they came from. In my opinion, when you have Griselle CLEMENTS marrying a James DANIEL and her half-brother, William CLEMENTS, marrying an Elizabeth DANIEL, daughter of Woodson DANIEL and Nancy then you have to look at James also being also a son of Woodson DANIEL and Nancy GOUGE of Granville County, NC. This agrees with the fact their brother, Jesse CLEMENTS, married a Mary Elizabeth COLEMAN born in Goochland County, VA and she was probably related to that COLEMAN bunch that also came to Greene County, GA from VA. We also know well where the WOODSONS were from -- Goochland area. big time. My thought is -- if you are going to re-assign James DANIEL, then you have to re-assign Elizabeth DANIEL, too..... Are you willing to do that? From my notes on this Woodson DANIEL family: <<< Sounds like your Woodson Daniel is the same as mine. I have Woodson Daniel b. 1736, d. 1791, m. to Nancy ?, and he appears in Wake Co., N.C. 1790 Census. My link to him is through his daughter, Elizabeth Daniel, b. 1757, Wake Co., N.C., d. 1834, m. 15 Mar 1779 to William Clements (married by Wm. Burford, Jr. and witnessed by Reuben Searcy). Sources: Marriages of Granville County, North Carolina, 1753-1868, compiled by Brent H. Holcomb, published in Baltimore by Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1981, p. 65. >>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Cordial, James, Edmund DANIEL > Let's toss some more fat on the fire regarding James Daniel + Grizzell > Clements being the son or grandson of William Daniel Jr., and Elizabeth > Coleman. (Caroline Co., VA.) > Heinemann assigns a son James (-41- Son of 11) to this family (William Jr.) > and states that he (James) probably married a Drucilla or Pricilla Harrison. > Cousin Joe Daniel and I believe that this James was the son of James Daniel > II, the son of James of Essex Co., Va. That isn't to say that William Jr., > did not have a son James, we just believe that James #41 was not his son. > > So is the door open for William Jr. to have a son James? And, he would be > the brother of Edmund, Thomas, et. al. DANIELS? If James was born in 1765, > William Jr. might be a little long in the tooth and James might not be a > brother but a nephew to Edmund, Thomas, etc. > > Now, I am going to review everybody's ideas again to see where we might slip > old James into a family. Payne > > "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and > statistics." > -- Benjamin Disraeli > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 11:50 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Cordial, James, Edmund DANIEL > > > > Mike and Annie, > > There are a lot of things that make me question some of the stuff we > > have seen out of Greene County, GA, especially as relates to Thomas and > > Sarah DANIEL. > > What I do know is that Charles is not a family name in this DANIEL > > bunch, that I can tell. What I do know is that Charles is a big given > name > > in the CUNNINGHAMS of SW Virginia. > > If anything, I think that Charles DANIEL (1773-1800) who married > > Elizabeth COFFEE may be a descendant of the DANIEL-KELSO bunch and not > > Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA. Or if he is indeed a descendant of > > Thomas DANIEL, then Thomas was out of this DANIEL-KELSO bunch, somewhere, > or > > at least, a family closely associated with the CUNNINGHAMS. > > My reasoning is -- given named flow in families like water and Charles > > is a definite CUNNINGHAM family name. Also, the CARROLS are tied to the > > family of Daniel COLEMAN of Warren County, NC, whose descendants end up in > > Greene County, GA tied to the same Thomas DANIEL family. The CARROLLS are > > also one of the families closely identified as having followed the > > CUNNINGHAMS, along with the Kelso-DANIEL bunch, as well as the CARLTONS, > > COFFEES and others to GA from PA. > > I also know that one of these CARLTONS, a John K. CARLTON, Esq. was of > > Thomas County, GA and his brother, Henry, was in Morgan County, GA, > located > > adjacent to Greene County, GA. I also do not know what the K. stood for > in > > this John's name but I would not bet against, KELSO. Just how many other > > surnames do we know that start with K. and are located around this bunch. > > Not many..... > > We know the Coleman, Spilsby and Asbury DANIEL bunch were in Greene > and > > Morgan County, GA, early, but this does not mean they were related to the > > Cunningham-Daniel bunch in Greene County, GA. The key thing, to me, is > > profile and the Cunningham-Daniel bunch were high steppers, as best I can > > tell. I do not see this same profile in this other DANIEL family. I > also > > know the HUNTERS of Greene County, GA were also high steppers, which seems > > to follow. > > There are several DANIELS that float, early, in Morgan County, GA. A > > William DANIEL who d.unm. and w/o heirs in 1839 had a brother named James > > and a father named, John. This from his 1839 Morgan County, GA will. > > I also know there was a Capt. James L. DANIEL of Morgan County, GA who > > died in a hotel in Macon, GA in 1850. I also believe he was the James > > DANIEL mentioned in William's 1839 will of Morgan County. Which John > DANIEL > > was their father, I do not know but the name, Littleberry or something > > similar to that, was a name listed in William's 1839 will, probated in > > Morgan County, GA. > > Some of this LITTLEBERY information may point back to Halifax County, > > NC, a place that some say were the origins of Thomas DANIEL of Greene > > County, GA. Or, it may point back to the COCKE and LITTLEBERRY families > of > > Charles City County, VA or the BUSH and LITTLEBERRY families of Edgefield, > > SC. I do not know which, if any of these families was the source of this > > name, LITTLEBERRY. > > I would not be against the possibility that a lot of these DANIELS > were > > either recent immigrants from Ireland, Scotland or England or Yankee > DANIELS > > who moved south, as did a lot of other families in that time frame, my > > family, included. They may have stayed just long enough in VA for folks to > > now think they were descendants of early VA families, when, in fact, they > > were not. I have scads of New England families that migrated south into > VA > > for one generation and then on south into GA by 1800. Were these DANIEL > > families any different? I am beginning to think, not....... > > It may take DNA analysis to straighten out this mess in Greene County, > > GA because there is just too much conflicting information out there on all > > of these families....... > > > > John R. Clarke > > Thomasville, GA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Runforf471@aol.com> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:09 AM > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Cordial, James, Edmund DANIEL > > > > > > > Annie, > > > > > > Truly good stuff! I think there may be something here. I will give you > my > > > thoughts and answer Payne & John's exchange of yesterday concerning > James > > DANIEL, > > > husband of Grizzell Clements, being a son of Woodson DANIEL of Wake > Cty., > > NC. > > > You and I seem to agree that James may be related in some manner to > > Edmund. > > > You mention the possibility that James was Edmund's brother. I think it > > may > > > be more probable that James was Edmund's nephew, a son of Edmund's > brother > > > James. I suspect Edmund's brother James may have been a bit long in the > > tooth to > > > marry Grizzell. I had recorded an old quote from an article in the > > Huxford > > > Genealogy Society Magazine Vol. #25 No. 4 Dec.1998 that states that > James > > > (Grizzell's hsbnd.) was a son of James. > > > > > > As to the Woodson DANIEL connection, I have several theories as to how > > they > > > may have started. Firstly, Woodson's daughter Elizabeth did in fact > marry > > > William CLEMENTS, Grizell's older (half?) brother 15 Mar 1779 in Wake > > Cty., NC. > > > Secondly, Mary Rowan DANIEL wrote in "The First Families of Henry > County, > > > Georgia" that James (Grizzell's hsbnd.) was son of Woodson DANIEL. > > However, she also > > > states Woodson is out of the Middlesex Cty., Va DANIEL's being a son o f > > > William DANIEL & Elizabeth WATKINS and that Woodson died in Greenville, > > NC. We > > > have pretty much established that Woodson of Wake Cty., NC died in Wake > > Cty by > > > his will and subsequent inventories in court records. Many believe > > Woodson was > > > son of James DANIEL and Elizabeth WOODSON of Goochland Cty., VA. (Roger > > DANIEL > > > line) and as it has been pointed out on list exchanges previously this > has > > > never been conclusively proven. > > > > > > I have chosen to believe that Woodson was a son of James and Elizabeth > > > WOODSON and that James, son of Woodson was James Daniel of Rowan Cty., > NC > > who > > > married the widow Rebecca Travis ADDERTON. James and Woodson's sons > John, > > David, > > > Benjamin are all at times living in Rowan Cty., NC in close proximity. > As > > Payne > > > mentioned we have both corresponded with a professional researcher > working > > > for another party to establish the ancestry of one of David's daughters, > > who > > > concurs with this thinking. > > > > > > At any rate I have a stronger feeling that James and Grizell somehow fit > > into > > > the Edmund, Thomas et al. DANIELS. > > > > > > Sorry about butchering the spelling of Grizell earlier. > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to > > change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion > > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to > > contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change > the subject of a reply message. > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not allowed on this list. >