Payne, Let go back a bit to 1786. In 1786 there was a great upheaval in New England -- Shay's Rebellion. This rebellion was brought about because the MA legislature passed laws raising taxes and saying those taxes had to be paid in gold, a commodity in short supply after the RW. They said they did this to help to pay for the RW and they started confiscating people's land for taxes when these taxes were not paid, hence the reason for this rebellion. After this happened, farmers in both in CT and MA, went berserk. They captured a US arsenal and killed a few soldiers in the process. It dos not sound like a "big happening," today in this era of civil disobedience but it was then. The GROSVENORS were up to their neck in it, as I would assume, so too were their closely collateral DANIELS. One of the CONVERSE boys, who married a GROSVENOR girl, just made it out of town on a fast horse. He fled to the Ohio Territory. Leicester, Jr and his family fled into VT, where they could not be extradited because VT was still a territory. Some of these GROSVENORS even fled over into Canada but Fairfax, Franklin County, VT is located right on the Canadian border, so her family did not have far to flee if the authorities from CT and MA ever came looking for them. This "flight to avoid punishment" has always been one of the real problems I have faced researching her GROSVENOR family because after 1786 they played it real close to the vest, left few civil records and only married within their close family set. This behavior would stay pretty constant until well into the 19th Century. The same thing could have easily happened to these DANIELS from CT and MA -- they had to escape with only the clothes on their back and instead of fleeing north, they fled south into PA, VA, NC and later, GA. I have often wondered why my Robert C. DANIEL (ABT 1765-AFT 1830) of Burke County, GA never did apply for a RS land grant. He had more than ample opportunity. I also know he was born in America, because Burke County, GA census proves he was not an immigrant It also shows he was of the right age to fight in the RW. Also, the families that his children later marry into also shows me that he was probably not a Tory, since most of them fought, bravely, in the RW. This opens the possibility that RCD could not claim a RW land grant because of other reasons, much the same as happened to the GROSVENORS - they had to get out of "Dodge on a fast horse" and for the rest of his life he played it "close to the vest" for fear he was still being sought by the authorities in CT or MA. What the GROSVENORS and possibly RCD never knew until much later was Gov. John HANCOCK later pardoned them for their acts during this rebellion. This may help explain why some DANIEL families are having such a hard time turning up their ancestors - these boys worked real hard to cover their trails by burning every bridge to their past and their parents, also fearing for their safety, never divulged where their kids had moved to. I think the answer may be -- where are your connections. I feel pretty sure I probably have New Haven, CT connections in my overall family but I do not know how far they extend. My GGF, Charles W. RICHTER (1807-1884), who later married Anne Elizabeth POTTER of St. Croix, went from St. Croix to New Haven, CT in 1832 in the company of an Robert ABBOT, Esq. and they did not go there for their health. It may have been business but I do not think so, because I also know Jesse and Margaret Potter TATUM fled St. Croix to New England a few years later, before settling in Marietta, Cobb County, GA. Charles and Anne settled in Madison. Morgan County, GA and their son, my grandfather, John, married Alice DANIEL. Their third son was named, Milton "Abbot" RICHTER. This New England connection is just one of the avenues I am looking at. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA