This is a post I sent to another and I think it is self-explanatory. Yes, the family GEDCOMS at Ancestry and World Connect are free, but it is also free to "look in store windows," "kick the tires on new cars" and even "browse through houses listed by real estate agents." These free databases at both Ancestry and World Connect are nothing more than "teasers" to get your genealogical information (for free) and to get you and others to subscribe to their services at Ancestry.... This is all a financial gamble on their part but after all they are in the gambling business, too, since they are also the biggest owners of gambling enterprises on the strip in Las Vegas. Bet you did not know that, did you? <<< As you know Ancestry, really the LDS Church, owns both Ancestry, Rootsweb and FHC and they commingle Rootsweb's World Connect databases in their databases at Ancestry. Ancestry is just a money making endeavor for them and they use Rootsweb as a "loss-leader" for their profit making Ancestry.com. However, we have also seen the recent commercialization of Rootsweb in the years since they bought it out, through pop-up adds and other items which make this resource much slower than it use to be. I guess you could say, they will soon combine these two genealogical resources and Rootsweb will then loose its distinct identity and will become just another function of Ancestry. I think you are already seeing some of this and I think within two years, this merging will be complete, as they will even start to include country and state archives, as well as country files, into their databases at Ancestry. That would justify charging more for their product at Ancestry, a product which will then include what many persons have worked very hard to build "for free" over the years -- the country and state archives managed through the auspices of the US GENWEB Project.. >>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Lynn Winham" <mlwwaw@mail.sirinet.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 11:00 AM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Fw: [ARMar] Ancestry to begin charging for One World Tree > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@cox.net> > To: <ARMARION-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 3:54 AM > Subject: [ARMar] Ancestry to begin charging for One World Tree > > >> Below is a response to the message I posted yesterday about >> Ancestry's One World Tree. The way I read and understood the >> information page was what I posted yesterday. If I was >> incorrect my apologies. >> >> Linda >> homepage: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas >> MarionCoAR: http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion/ >> TulsaCoOK: http://www.rootsweb.com/~oktulsa2 >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Myra Vanderpool Gormley" <myravgormley@earthlink.net> >> To: <OKMUSKOG-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 6:34 PM >> Subject: Re: [OKMUSKOG] Ancestry to begin charging for One >> World Tree >> >> >> | Let's set the record straight, Family Trees you submit to >> RootsWeb's >> | WorldConnect and/or Ancestry World Tree continue to be >> free for anyone to >> | access and search just as they always have been. NOTHING >> has changed as to >> | your use of WorldConnect/AWT's combined database. >> | >> | The new program that has recently come along is One World >> Tree (OWT), which >> | is a new advanced subscription search feature ( it's a >> tool) that matches >> | data found in the free trees and some of the pay databases >> and census >> | records found at Ancestry, and stitches it into a finished >> product to cut >> | out the work of searching and matching data for the >> subscriber. What the >> | subscriber to OWT is paying for is the convenience of >> having the searching >> | and matching done for him....not for accessing or >> searching the free family >> | trees housed on their site. >> | >> | Myra Vanderpool Gormley, CG >> | >> | >> | ----- Original Message ----- >> | From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@cox.net> >> | To: <OKMUSKOG-L@rootsweb.com> >> | Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 4:10 PM >> | Subject: [OKMUSKOG] Ancestry to begin charging for One >> World Tree >> | >> | >> | > If you have submitted a family tree to Ancestry.com's >> OneWorldTree site, >> | you need to be aware of a change about to be implemented >> by Ancestry. >> | > >> | > Family Trees uploaded to the OneWorldTree site, which >> have been free >> | heretofore, will be moved into a subscription data base. >> After approximately >> | May 21st this data base will no longer be accessible for >> free. Ancestry will >> | be begin offering OneWorldTree Preview at $49.95 for 14 >> months for access to >> | these donated trees. >> | > >> | > If you'd prefer that your information not be sold, there >> is a link below >> | which will take you to a set of instructions on opting out >> by deleting your >> | tree. >> | > >> | > Go first here: >> http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/trees/owt/ >> | > When you arrive at the page - look for the link toward >> the top "What's a >> | preview?" >> | > Read the information and then click on "View our >> checklist" (which appears >> | on #3). >> | > On the page is a statement that says "If for any reason >> you do not want >> | your tree to be part of the new OneWorldTree service, you >> must delete it >> | from the Ancestry World Tree database by tentatively May >> 21, 2004." >> | > Click on the link "Deleting a tree you submitted" >> | > The resulting page gives instructions on how to delete >> your tree. >> | > >> | > Feel free to pass this along to other lists. >> | > >> | > Linda >> | > homepage: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas >> | > MarionCoAR: http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion/ >> | > TulsaCoOK: http://www.rootsweb.com/~oktulsa2 >> | > >> | > >> | > >> | > >> | > >> | > ==== OKMUSKOG Mailing List ==== >> | > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain >> letters, >> | political >> | > announcements, current events, items for sale, personal >> messages, flames, >> | > etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be >> grounds for >> | removal. >> | > Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett >> | kathleenburnett@earthlink.net >> | > Oklahoma Cemeteries Volunteer Website >> | http://www.rootsweb.com/~okcemete/okcem.htm >> | > >> | > ============================== >> | > Gain access to over two billion names including the new >> Immigration >> | > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to >> learn more. >> | > >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid= >> 1237 >> | > >> | >> | >> | ==== OKMUSKOG Mailing List ==== >> | NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain >> letters, political >> | announcements, current events, items for sale, personal >> messages, flames, >> | etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be >> grounds for removal. >> | Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett >> kathleenburnett@earthlink.net >> | Oklahoma Cemeteries Volunteer Website >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~okcemete/okcem.htm >> | >> | ============================== >> | Gain access to over two billion names including the new >> Immigration >> | Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to >> learn more. >> | >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid= >> 1237 >> | >> > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change > the subject of a reply message. >
John, I confess that I have never understood your animosity toward folks who sell convenience for a profit. A good part of American business does that in one form or another. Why are these folks evil for doing likewise - I don't get it and never have. And based on many of your posts, I suspect that you have been looking in their store windows and kicking their tires quite a lot over the years. Jack Butler ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Fw: [ARMar] Ancestry to begin charging for One World Tree > This is a post I sent to another and I think it is self-explanatory. Yes, > the family GEDCOMS at Ancestry and World Connect are free, but it is also > free to "look in store windows," "kick the tires on new cars" and even > "browse through houses listed by real estate agents." > > These free databases at both Ancestry and World Connect are nothing more > than "teasers" to get your genealogical information (for free) and to get > you and others to subscribe to their services at Ancestry.... > > This is all a financial gamble on their part but after all they are in the > gambling business, too, since they are also the biggest owners of gambling > enterprises on the strip in Las Vegas. Bet you did not know that, did you? > > <<< > As you know Ancestry, really the LDS Church, owns both Ancestry, > Rootsweb and FHC and they commingle Rootsweb's World Connect databases in > their databases at Ancestry. Ancestry is just a money making endeavor for > them and they use Rootsweb as a "loss-leader" for their profit making > Ancestry.com. > However, we have also seen the recent commercialization of Rootsweb in > the years since they bought it out, through pop-up adds and other items > which make this resource much slower than it use to be. I guess you could > say, they will soon combine these two genealogical resources and Rootsweb > will then loose its distinct identity and will become just another function > of Ancestry. > I think you are already seeing some of this and I think within two > years, this merging will be complete, as they will even start to include > country and state archives, as well as country files, into their databases > at Ancestry. That would justify charging more for their product at > Ancestry, a product which will then include what many persons have worked > very hard to build "for free" over the years -- the country and state > archives managed through the auspices of the US GENWEB Project.. > > >>> > > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Lynn Winham" <mlwwaw@mail.sirinet.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 11:00 AM > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Fw: [ARMar] Ancestry to begin charging for One World > Tree > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@cox.net> > > To: <ARMARION-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 3:54 AM > > Subject: [ARMar] Ancestry to begin charging for One World Tree > > > > > >> Below is a response to the message I posted yesterday about > >> Ancestry's One World Tree. The way I read and understood the > >> information page was what I posted yesterday. If I was > >> incorrect my apologies. > >> > >> Linda > >> homepage: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > >> MarionCoAR: http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion/ > >> TulsaCoOK: http://www.rootsweb.com/~oktulsa2 > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Myra Vanderpool Gormley" <myravgormley@earthlink.net> > >> To: <OKMUSKOG-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 6:34 PM > >> Subject: Re: [OKMUSKOG] Ancestry to begin charging for One > >> World Tree > >> > >> > >> | Let's set the record straight, Family Trees you submit to > >> RootsWeb's > >> | WorldConnect and/or Ancestry World Tree continue to be > >> free for anyone to > >> | access and search just as they always have been. NOTHING > >> has changed as to > >> | your use of WorldConnect/AWT's combined database. > >> | > >> | The new program that has recently come along is One World > >> Tree (OWT), which > >> | is a new advanced subscription search feature ( it's a > >> tool) that matches > >> | data found in the free trees and some of the pay databases > >> and census > >> | records found at Ancestry, and stitches it into a finished > >> product to cut > >> | out the work of searching and matching data for the > >> subscriber. What the > >> | subscriber to OWT is paying for is the convenience of > >> having the searching > >> | and matching done for him....not for accessing or > >> searching the free family > >> | trees housed on their site. > >> | > >> | Myra Vanderpool Gormley, CG > >> | > >> | > >> | ----- Original Message ----- > >> | From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@cox.net> > >> | To: <OKMUSKOG-L@rootsweb.com> > >> | Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 4:10 PM > >> | Subject: [OKMUSKOG] Ancestry to begin charging for One > >> World Tree > >> | > >> | > >> | > If you have submitted a family tree to Ancestry.com's > >> OneWorldTree site, > >> | you need to be aware of a change about to be implemented > >> by Ancestry. > >> | > > >> | > Family Trees uploaded to the OneWorldTree site, which > >> have been free > >> | heretofore, will be moved into a subscription data base. > >> After approximately > >> | May 21st this data base will no longer be accessible for > >> free. Ancestry will > >> | be begin offering OneWorldTree Preview at $49.95 for 14 > >> months for access to > >> | these donated trees. > >> | > > >> | > If you'd prefer that your information not be sold, there > >> is a link below > >> | which will take you to a set of instructions on opting out > >> by deleting your > >> | tree. > >> | > > >> | > Go first here: > >> http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/trees/owt/ > >> | > When you arrive at the page - look for the link toward > >> the top "What's a > >> | preview?" > >> | > Read the information and then click on "View our > >> checklist" (which appears > >> | on #3). > >> | > On the page is a statement that says "If for any reason > >> you do not want > >> | your tree to be part of the new OneWorldTree service, you > >> must delete it > >> | from the Ancestry World Tree database by tentatively May > >> 21, 2004." > >> | > Click on the link "Deleting a tree you submitted" > >> | > The resulting page gives instructions on how to delete > >> your tree. > >> | > > >> | > Feel free to pass this along to other lists. > >> | > > >> | > Linda > >> | > homepage: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > >> | > MarionCoAR: http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion/ > >> | > TulsaCoOK: http://www.rootsweb.com/~oktulsa2 > >> | > > >> | > > >> | > > >> | > > >> | > > >> | > ==== OKMUSKOG Mailing List ==== > >> | > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain > >> letters, > >> | political > >> | > announcements, current events, items for sale, personal > >> messages, flames, > >> | > etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be > >> grounds for > >> | removal. > >> | > Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett > >> | kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > >> | > Oklahoma Cemeteries Volunteer Website > >> | http://www.rootsweb.com/~okcemete/okcem.htm > >> | > > >> | > ============================== > >> | > Gain access to over two billion names including the new > >> Immigration > >> | > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to > >> learn more. > >> | > > >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid= > >> 1237 > >> | > > >> | > >> | > >> | ==== OKMUSKOG Mailing List ==== > >> | NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain > >> letters, political > >> | announcements, current events, items for sale, personal > >> messages, flames, > >> | etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be > >> grounds for removal. > >> | Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett > >> kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > >> | Oklahoma Cemeteries Volunteer Website > >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~okcemete/okcem.htm > >> | > >> | ============================== > >> | Gain access to over two billion names including the new > >> Immigration > >> | Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to > >> learn more. > >> | > >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid= > >> 1237 > >> | > >> > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change > > the subject of a reply message. > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not allowed on this list. >