Don, I started subscribing to Ancestry when it was $20 something a year and now it was a $100 and something the last time I heard. You will be very surprised how much stuff is actually on the Internet, these days. I installed the Google tool bar on my browser and I have been amazed how much stuff I have found in recent months. I have really been beating the keywords "Robert Daniel Mary Swain Martin NC" to death, recently, any you will be surprised at the primary source information I have found. Today, I bumped into the LANE and REDDICK families in Perquimans County, North Carolina and I think this is the same bunch that ends up in Greene and Wayne County, NC, later. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Wright" <sherido1@pacbell.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree > On 5/4/04 6:46 PM, "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> wrote: > >> Bill, >> I am sorry but I have always felt that genealogical information belongs >> to the families involved and not some commercial entity. I do not think >> you >> have ever seen this old boy recommend resorting to a professional >> genealogist, have you? >> Maybe it takes me a little longer than by paying some person to do this >> work for me but the "thrill of the chase" is as important as the end >> results >> of that chase. Plus, I have made lots of friends in the process, persons >> that I never would have known, otherwise. >> As for the LDS Church owning most of everything as relates to the >> genealogical records of this nation, I have real problems with that and >> not >> just because of privacy issues, either. Employers, insurance companies, >> etc.do not have to have your medical records, they can get a lot of >> information about you and your family strictly from the history of your >> family, e.g. their typical life spans, their cause of death, etc. >> Normally, >> this information is pretty well protected because these entities do not >> know >> your family history but put it all in one location and watch out. Let >> them >> get a hold of your DNA information and really watch out. >> Here we have a tax exempt organization, the LDS Church, using tax >> exempt >> NPO's, like Rootsweb and probably Ancestry, to increase their overall >> wealth >> through commercialization and not having to pay corporate taxes on any of >> it. Now, do you understand why members of this church are the richest >> of >> any organized religion in this country -- they use our tax laws to their >> benefit. I guess you could say, they are also a whole lot smarter than >> the >> rest of us in this regard. >> I did not know they were in the gaming and casino business until I was >> in Las Vegas covering the Shot Show for my publication a few years ago >> and >> read in their local paper an investigative report done one of their staff >> writers on this matter. It really surprised me, too, because I never >> associated any organized religion with this type of business. I also >> assume >> you know they also own Novell and Word Perfect, or did at one time. >> In this country we have laws to protect each of our individual >> religious >> beliefs or even to protect us from religion if you believe some, but to >> have >> one specific religious body controlling all of the genealogical >> information >> of this country, I find appalling. I also feel that government will >> sooner >> or later step in because of the privacy issues involved. >> It is one thing to be a repository of historical facts, as they are and >> have been, but it is quite another to be able to tie all of these >> historical >> facts, together, as we easily do for them. When you put "historical >> facts" >> and the links that tie them to specific families, as is the case with any >> GEDCOMS you submit to them, and put all of this under a religious >> umbrella, >> then you have created the situation where your family information can be >> sold to other parties, parties you never intended to have that family >> information....... >> >> John R. Clarke >> Thomasville, GA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bill Brewer" <wwb@ix.netcom.com> >> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 8:37 PM >> Subject: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree >> >> >>> This whole discussion is getting a little silly. Yes, Ancestry.com >>> collects information, which they then turn around and sell. What do you >>> expect? Do you think any company, or anyone else for that matter, would >>> do your research for you for free? What do you think professional >>> genealogists have been doing for years? They have been collecting >>> information and selling it to you. >>> >>> Personally, I have submitted my information to World Connects. I sent >>> it >>> prior to Ancestry taking over Rootsweb, but I have continued to update >>> it >>> since, and will continue to do so. I have benefited immensely by so >>> doing >>> in that mistakes have been corrected, and I have found many new friends >>> and relatives researching the same line. My research has expanded by >>> leaps and bounds. >>> >>> While we're on the subject, have you ever wondered why Ancestry took >>> over >>> Rootsweb? We, the genealogical public, never supported Rootsweb >>> strongly >>> enough for it to survive as a non-profit organization. It depended on >>> our >>> contributions, both money and data. I contributed both, but not enough >>> of >>> us supported them monetarily. >>> >>> As to Ancestry having no competitors...What about GenCircles, Family >>> Tree >>> Maker, GenServe, National Genealogical Society, etc., etc.? There are >>> many sources out there, Ancestry is just one, and they have never forced >>> anyone to contribute to their data bases. If you don't want to share >>> your >>> "hard-earned data" with them, don't. I have and will continue to do so. >>> We'll see who benefits the most in the long run. >>> >>> Finally, no, I didn't know the owners of Ancestry were the biggest >>> owners >>> of gambling enterprises on the strip in Las Vegas, and now that I have >>> been told, my next question is...so what? What does that have to do >>> with >>> anything? >>> >>> Do we really want to go back to the "good old days," where we each had >>> to >>> travel to the countless archives scattered around the country (not to >>> mention the world)? In my humble opinion, the answer is a resounding >>> "NO!" >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >>> Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe >>> Click on the following link and your message is ready to send >>> Mail Mode: >>> mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >>> or- >>> Digest Mode: >>> mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >> Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe >> Click on the following link and your message is ready to send >> Mail Mode: >> mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >> or- >> Digest Mode: >> mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >> > Hello John: > > I agree with you and thank you for the information. I don't mind paying a > little bit of a fee for some of the records, but recently it does seem to > me > that the Utah people have gotten a tad greedy. So much so, that I cannot > subscribe at this time which is very frustrating. > All the best, > > Sharon > -- > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of > messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families > or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are > not allowed on this list. >