Jack: There is something to John's statement. I've used the LSD Films extensively over the last few years to research Monroe Co., AL court records. After ordering a number of films and taking a great number of prints off the films - I was reminded by the center's Librarian of the Family History Center's Strict Copyright policy. They feel that when they have filmed records that they own the copyright on them. And, likewise you will not find the same records recorded in any type of media in the AL State Archives. Yes, the original records are still in the basement of the old Monroe Courthouse - now Heritage Museum. And, by asking the right person, I understand that folks can still go down and prowl through the dusty records in a dirty basement. It appears that the State of AL upholds the LSD copyright. As you know, I love sharing what I have on my families lines and do it freely (and that's the key word - FREELY). I've spent a good dime on my research as many of you have. And, anyone with a little ambition will know all that I know by reading on the Internet - I post to lists very often. And, talk about some cobbeled up histories that will be the results! If my families get cobbled up - I'd rather have done it myself ;>) Just my two cents - Ruth in Portland, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack V Butler" <JackVButler@comcast.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree > One entity controlling all of the genealogical information? Are you > tripping, John? The information is still out there, in the State Archives, > the Courthouses, in the Churches, the City Halls. Believe me, I have gone > and found it there. Been to the National Archives, too. All of that cost > me a whole lot of money in travel, lodging and meals on the road - and most > of it was fishing trips, going to where I THOUGHT that I might find my > ancestors records. > > Now, I pay a little money and sit in the convenience of my own home, in a > comfortable chair, with my shoes off, while I look at scans of original > census records at 10:00 p.m. at night. In short, I pay for the convenience > of easy multiple searches and of ease of delivery. I don't HAVE to go to > these sources, I could go back and do it the old way - indeed, I often do. > But now I almost always have much better leads when I go to a courthouse > because I have often found a transcript or original record to point me in > the right direction. > > Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against free resources - I have > volunteered to digitize records for several county sites and will probably > do so again. But I certainly don't begrudge the fees that I pay to the > folks who went to the trouble to collect into a single location large > quantities of the kind of records that I want to see. > > Nobody is forced to use the subscription services - but I cannot imagine why > they wouldn't. > > Jack Butler > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 9:46 PM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree > > > > Bill, > > I am sorry but I have always felt that genealogical information > belongs > > to the families involved and not some commercial entity. I do not think > you > > have ever seen this old boy recommend resorting to a professional > > genealogist, have you? > > Maybe it takes me a little longer than by paying some person to do > this > > work for me but the "thrill of the chase" is as important as the end > results > > of that chase. Plus, I have made lots of friends in the process, persons > > that I never would have known, otherwise. > > As for the LDS Church owning most of everything as relates to the > > genealogical records of this nation, I have real problems with that and > not > > just because of privacy issues, either. Employers, insurance companies, > > etc.do not have to have your medical records, they can get a lot of > > information about you and your family strictly from the history of your > > family, e.g. their typical life spans, their cause of death, etc. > Normally, > > this information is pretty well protected because these entities do not > know > > your family history but put it all in one location and watch out. Let > them > > get a hold of your DNA information and really watch out. > > Here we have a tax exempt organization, the LDS Church, using tax > exempt > > NPO's, like Rootsweb and probably Ancestry, to increase their overall > wealth > > through commercialization and not having to pay corporate taxes on any of > > it. Now, do you understand why members of this church are the richest of > > any organized religion in this country -- they use our tax laws to their > > benefit. I guess you could say, they are also a whole lot smarter than > the > > rest of us in this regard. > > I did not know they were in the gaming and casino business until I was > > in Las Vegas covering the Shot Show for my publication a few years ago and > > read in their local paper an investigative report done one of their staff > > writers on this matter. It really surprised me, too, because I never > > associated any organized religion with this type of business. I also > assume > > you know they also own Novell and Word Perfect, or did at one time. > > In this country we have laws to protect each of our individual > religious > > beliefs or even to protect us from religion if you believe some, but to > have > > one specific religious body controlling all of the genealogical > information > > of this country, I find appalling. I also feel that government will > sooner > > or later step in because of the privacy issues involved. > > It is one thing to be a repository of historical facts, as they are > and > > have been, but it is quite another to be able to tie all of these > historical > > facts, together, as we easily do for them. When you put "historical > facts" > > and the links that tie them to specific families, as is the case with any > > GEDCOMS you submit to them, and put all of this under a religious > umbrella, > > then you have created the situation where your family information can be > > sold to other parties, parties you never intended to have that family > > information....... > > > > John R. Clarke > > Thomasville, GA > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill Brewer" <wwb@ix.netcom.com> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 8:37 PM > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree > > > > > > > This whole discussion is getting a little silly. Yes, Ancestry.com > > > collects information, which they then turn around and sell. What do you > > > expect? Do you think any company, or anyone else for that matter, would > > > do your research for you for free? What do you think professional > > > genealogists have been doing for years? They have been collecting > > > information and selling it to you. > > > > > > Personally, I have submitted my information to World Connects. I sent > it > > > prior to Ancestry taking over Rootsweb, but I have continued to update > it > > > since, and will continue to do so. I have benefited immensely by so > doing > > > in that mistakes have been corrected, and I have found many new friends > > > and relatives researching the same line. My research has expanded by > > > leaps and bounds. > > > > > > While we're on the subject, have you ever wondered why Ancestry took > over > > > Rootsweb? We, the genealogical public, never supported Rootsweb > strongly > > > enough for it to survive as a non-profit organization. It depended on > our > > > contributions, both money and data. I contributed both, but not enough > of > > > us supported them monetarily. > > > > > > As to Ancestry having no competitors...What about GenCircles, Family > Tree > > > Maker, GenServe, National Genealogical Society, etc., etc.? There are > > > many sources out there, Ancestry is just one, and they have never forced > > > anyone to contribute to their data bases. If you don't want to share > your > > > "hard-earned data" with them, don't. I have and will continue to do so. > > > We'll see who benefits the most in the long run. > > > > > > Finally, no, I didn't know the owners of Ancestry were the biggest > owners > > > of gambling enterprises on the strip in Las Vegas, and now that I have > > > been told, my next question is...so what? What does that have to do > with > > > anything? > > > > > > Do we really want to go back to the "good old days," where we each had > to > > > travel to the countless archives scattered around the country (not to > > > mention the world)? In my humble opinion, the answer is a resounding > > > "NO!" > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > > > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > > > Mail Mode: > > > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > or- > > > Digest Mode: > > > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > > Mail Mode: > > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > or- > > Digest Mode: > > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL >
Ruth, You should have asked that Center's librarian to see the Center's Strict Copyright policy. For the last several years (never mind how many is "several"...just consider it to be more than I'd like to admit) I have visited Salt Lake City twice a year, spending a week going through films and making prints. In between visits to Salt Lake City, I have gone to the local Center in West Los Angeles, ordered films from Salt Lake City, and have made many copies. Never has anyone told me there was a limit on the copies I could make...and I have been there often enough that several of the volunteers know me by name. Actually, there is no copyright on public records. I think you were the victim of an over-zealous local librarian. One thing I will agree with Jack on...there is nothing that can compare to the thrill of going down and prowling through some dusty records in some dirty basement of an obscure courthouse...and finding a gem! But, the problem with that is that you don't always know which obscure courthouse and which dirty basement, or which dusty record is going to give you that payoff. You still can't trust the information on the LDS films implicitly, but they will guide you to the proper places to find the original records, and that's what we're looking for. As for cobbled up records, yes, there are a lot of cobbled up records. But they existed long before Ancestry.com came on the scene. I followed my surname back all the way to England in the 15th Century based on DAR information from the 1930's...before I discovered that the two ladies that had joined the DAR and whose information I was taking on faith had fabricated the entire line! And books are still being written using their information, even though the DAR itself has disowned it. There is junk out there. There is junk on the commercial services, and there is junk on the "free" services (here free is in quotes because my time is valuable, junk costs time). Only the original source records are absolute proof (and even those could have been falsified). It doesn't matter if you use the commercial services or the "free" services, you still have to verify the data...and if your families get cobbled up, it is always you who cobbled them. I know, I said I wasn't going to comment further on this subject...see, even I can't be relied upon. Bill And this, I promise, is my last comment on the subject. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Newlan" <ruthann@saw.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree > Jack: > > There is something to John's statement. I've used the LSD Films extensively > over the last few years to research Monroe Co., AL court records. After > ordering a number of films and taking a great number of prints off the > films - I was reminded by the center's Librarian of the Family History > Center's Strict Copyright policy. They feel that when they have filmed > records that they own the copyright on them. And, likewise you will not find > the same records recorded in any type of media in the AL State Archives. > > Yes, the original records are still in the basement of the old Monroe > Courthouse - now Heritage Museum. And, by asking the right person, I > understand that folks can still go down and prowl through the dusty records > in a dirty basement. It appears that the State of AL upholds the LSD > copyright. > > As you know, I love sharing what I have on my families lines and do it > freely (and that's the key word - FREELY). I've spent a good dime on my > research as many of you have. And, anyone with a little ambition will know > all that I know by reading on the Internet - I post to lists very often. > > And, talk about some cobbeled up histories that will be the results! If my > families get cobbled up - I'd rather have done it myself ;>) > Just my two cents - Ruth in Portland, OR > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack V Butler" <JackVButler@comcast.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 7:07 PM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree > > > > One entity controlling all of the genealogical information? Are you > > tripping, John? The information is still out there, in the State > Archives, > > the Courthouses, in the Churches, the City Halls. Believe me, I have gone > > and found it there. Been to the National Archives, too. All of that cost > > me a whole lot of money in travel, lodging and meals on the road - and > most > > of it was fishing trips, going to where I THOUGHT that I might find my > > ancestors records. > > > > Now, I pay a little money and sit in the convenience of my own home, in a > > comfortable chair, with my shoes off, while I look at scans of original > > census records at 10:00 p.m. at night. In short, I pay for the > convenience > > of easy multiple searches and of ease of delivery. I don't HAVE to go to > > these sources, I could go back and do it the old way - indeed, I often do. > > But now I almost always have much better leads when I go to a courthouse > > because I have often found a transcript or original record to point me in > > the right direction. > > > > Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against free resources - I have > > volunteered to digitize records for several county sites and will probably > > do so again. But I certainly don't begrudge the fees that I pay to the > > folks who went to the trouble to collect into a single location large > > quantities of the kind of records that I want to see. > > > > Nobody is forced to use the subscription services - but I cannot imagine > why > > they wouldn't. > > > > Jack Butler > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 9:46 PM > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree > > > > > > > Bill, > > > I am sorry but I have always felt that genealogical information > > belongs > > > to the families involved and not some commercial entity. I do not think > > you > > > have ever seen this old boy recommend resorting to a professional > > > genealogist, have you? > > > Maybe it takes me a little longer than by paying some person to do > > this > > > work for me but the "thrill of the chase" is as important as the end > > results > > > of that chase. Plus, I have made lots of friends in the process, > persons > > > that I never would have known, otherwise. > > > As for the LDS Church owning most of everything as relates to the > > > genealogical records of this nation, I have real problems with that and > > not > > > just because of privacy issues, either. Employers, insurance companies, > > > > etc.do not have to have your medical records, they can get a lot of > > > information about you and your family strictly from the history of your > > > family, e.g. their typical life spans, their cause of death, etc. > > Normally, > > > this information is pretty well protected because these entities do not > > know > > > your family history but put it all in one location and watch out. Let > > them > > > get a hold of your DNA information and really watch out. > > > Here we have a tax exempt organization, the LDS Church, using tax > > exempt > > > NPO's, like Rootsweb and probably Ancestry, to increase their overall > > wealth > > > through commercialization and not having to pay corporate taxes on any > of > > > it. Now, do you understand why members of this church are the richest > of > > > any organized religion in this country -- they use our tax laws to their > > > benefit. I guess you could say, they are also a whole lot smarter than > > the > > > rest of us in this regard. > > > I did not know they were in the gaming and casino business until I > was > > > in Las Vegas covering the Shot Show for my publication a few years ago > and > > > read in their local paper an investigative report done one of their > staff > > > writers on this matter. It really surprised me, too, because I never > > > associated any organized religion with this type of business. I also > > assume > > > you know they also own Novell and Word Perfect, or did at one time. > > > In this country we have laws to protect each of our individual > > religious > > > beliefs or even to protect us from religion if you believe some, but to > > have > > > one specific religious body controlling all of the genealogical > > information > > > of this country, I find appalling. I also feel that government will > > sooner > > > or later step in because of the privacy issues involved. > > > It is one thing to be a repository of historical facts, as they are > > and > > > have been, but it is quite another to be able to tie all of these > > historical > > > facts, together, as we easily do for them. When you put "historical > > facts" > > > and the links that tie them to specific families, as is the case with > any > > > GEDCOMS you submit to them, and put all of this under a religious > > umbrella, > > > then you have created the situation where your family information can be > > > sold to other parties, parties you never intended to have that family > > > information....... > > > > > > John R. Clarke > > > Thomasville, GA > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Bill Brewer" <wwb@ix.netcom.com> > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 8:37 PM > > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree > > > > > > > > > > This whole discussion is getting a little silly. Yes, Ancestry.com > > > > collects information, which they then turn around and sell. What do > you > > > > expect? Do you think any company, or anyone else for that matter, > would > > > > do your research for you for free? What do you think professional > > > > genealogists have been doing for years? They have been collecting > > > > information and selling it to you. > > > > > > > > Personally, I have submitted my information to World Connects. I sent > > it > > > > prior to Ancestry taking over Rootsweb, but I have continued to update > > it > > > > since, and will continue to do so. I have benefited immensely by so > > doing > > > > in that mistakes have been corrected, and I have found many new > friends > > > > and relatives researching the same line. My research has expanded by > > > > leaps and bounds. > > > > > > > > While we're on the subject, have you ever wondered why Ancestry took > > over > > > > Rootsweb? We, the genealogical public, never supported Rootsweb > > strongly > > > > enough for it to survive as a non-profit organization. It depended on > > our > > > > contributions, both money and data. I contributed both, but not > enough > > of > > > > us supported them monetarily. > > > > > > > > As to Ancestry having no competitors...What about GenCircles, Family > > Tree > > > > Maker, GenServe, National Genealogical Society, etc., etc.? There are > > > > many sources out there, Ancestry is just one, and they have never > forced > > > > anyone to contribute to their data bases. If you don't want to share > > your > > > > "hard-earned data" with them, don't. I have and will continue to do > so. > > > > We'll see who benefits the most in the long run. > > > > > > > > Finally, no, I didn't know the owners of Ancestry were the biggest > > owners > > > > of gambling enterprises on the strip in Las Vegas, and now that I have > > > > been told, my next question is...so what? What does that have to do > > with > > > > anything? > > > > > > > > Do we really want to go back to the "good old days," where we each had > > to > > > > travel to the countless archives scattered around the country (not to > > > > mention the world)? In my humble opinion, the answer is a resounding > > > > "NO!" > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > > > > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > > > > Mail Mode: > > > > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > or- > > > > Digest Mode: > > > > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? 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Er....so what? I don't get the point. You can own the copyright to a certain presentation - If I collected all of the same records and published them in a book, I would own the copyright to the book . You could not make wholesale copies of my collected work without my permission. But I would not, in any way, own the records or the data that was found in them - just my own personal work in collecting, formatting, and publishing them. You are apparently annoyed that the LDS went to the trouble to microfilm great volumes of state and county records when the State itself was unwilling to perform the task. Speak to your government about that. The Mormons chase genealogy because it fits into their religion - and all amateur genealogists have benefited from that fact because they share that information at a very small cost. I don't give a hoot about their - or anyone else's - religion, since I find them all to be pretty much equally silly. But I am happy to make use of the records that they have collected. Fortunately, I have never even been asked about my voluminous copies. As for John's paranoia about the LDS collecting all of our personal family history information - well, if it is more than two generations back, it almost certainly isn't our personal info - it probably belongs to a lot of people. And why should I care if they find out who my great great grandfather was? They going to use it in magic spells or something? If Alabama chooses not to make such records available, why don't you get the genealogists there together (we are a formidable group when massed together) and ask them to do so. The Florida State Archives makes many such records available - including some from neighboring states. Like I said, guys, the records are still out there waiting for you - in those dusty courthouse basements and other archives (and if you think Monroe County's courthouse basement is dirty, try Dale or Geneva, where the county records have been flooded out multiple times). No one will force you to use those made available in more convenient format - but I think that you are silly not to. And that is pretty much all that I have to say on this subject - I am not interested in trying to talk anyone into taking advantage of easily used resources. Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Newlan" <ruthann@saw.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree > Jack: > > There is something to John's statement. I've used the LSD Films extensively > over the last few years to research Monroe Co., AL court records. After > ordering a number of films and taking a great number of prints off the > films - I was reminded by the center's Librarian of the Family History > Center's Strict Copyright policy. They feel that when they have filmed > records that they own the copyright on them. And, likewise you will not find > the same records recorded in any type of media in the AL State Archives. > > Yes, the original records are still in the basement of the old Monroe > Courthouse - now Heritage Museum. And, by asking the right person, I > understand that folks can still go down and prowl through the dusty records > in a dirty basement. It appears that the State of AL upholds the LSD > copyright. > > As you know, I love sharing what I have on my families lines and do it > freely (and that's the key word - FREELY). I've spent a good dime on my > research as many of you have. And, anyone with a little ambition will know > all that I know by reading on the Internet - I post to lists very often. > > And, talk about some cobbeled up histories that will be the results! If my > families get cobbled up - I'd rather have done it myself ;>) > Just my two cents - Ruth in Portland, OR > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack V Butler" <JackVButler@comcast.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 7:07 PM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree > > > > One entity controlling all of the genealogical information? Are you > > tripping, John? The information is still out there, in the State > Archives, > > the Courthouses, in the Churches, the City Halls. Believe me, I have gone > > and found it there. Been to the National Archives, too. All of that cost > > me a whole lot of money in travel, lodging and meals on the road - and > most > > of it was fishing trips, going to where I THOUGHT that I might find my > > ancestors records. > > > > Now, I pay a little money and sit in the convenience of my own home, in a > > comfortable chair, with my shoes off, while I look at scans of original > > census records at 10:00 p.m. at night. In short, I pay for the > convenience > > of easy multiple searches and of ease of delivery. I don't HAVE to go to > > these sources, I could go back and do it the old way - indeed, I often do. > > But now I almost always have much better leads when I go to a courthouse > > because I have often found a transcript or original record to point me in > > the right direction. > > > > Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against free resources - I have > > volunteered to digitize records for several county sites and will probably > > do so again. But I certainly don't begrudge the fees that I pay to the > > folks who went to the trouble to collect into a single location large > > quantities of the kind of records that I want to see. > > > > Nobody is forced to use the subscription services - but I cannot imagine > why > > they wouldn't. > > > > Jack Butler > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 9:46 PM > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree > > > > > > > Bill, > > > I am sorry but I have always felt that genealogical information > > belongs > > > to the families involved and not some commercial entity. I do not think > > you > > > have ever seen this old boy recommend resorting to a professional > > > genealogist, have you? > > > Maybe it takes me a little longer than by paying some person to do > > this > > > work for me but the "thrill of the chase" is as important as the end > > results > > > of that chase. Plus, I have made lots of friends in the process, > persons > > > that I never would have known, otherwise. > > > As for the LDS Church owning most of everything as relates to the > > > genealogical records of this nation, I have real problems with that and > > not > > > just because of privacy issues, either. Employers, insurance companies, > > > > etc.do not have to have your medical records, they can get a lot of > > > information about you and your family strictly from the history of your > > > family, e.g. their typical life spans, their cause of death, etc. > > Normally, > > > this information is pretty well protected because these entities do not > > know > > > your family history but put it all in one location and watch out. Let > > them > > > get a hold of your DNA information and really watch out. > > > Here we have a tax exempt organization, the LDS Church, using tax > > exempt > > > NPO's, like Rootsweb and probably Ancestry, to increase their overall > > wealth > > > through commercialization and not having to pay corporate taxes on any > of > > > it. Now, do you understand why members of this church are the richest > of > > > any organized religion in this country -- they use our tax laws to their > > > benefit. I guess you could say, they are also a whole lot smarter than > > the > > > rest of us in this regard. > > > I did not know they were in the gaming and casino business until I > was > > > in Las Vegas covering the Shot Show for my publication a few years ago > and > > > read in their local paper an investigative report done one of their > staff > > > writers on this matter. It really surprised me, too, because I never > > > associated any organized religion with this type of business. I also > > assume > > > you know they also own Novell and Word Perfect, or did at one time. > > > In this country we have laws to protect each of our individual > > religious > > > beliefs or even to protect us from religion if you believe some, but to > > have > > > one specific religious body controlling all of the genealogical > > information > > > of this country, I find appalling. I also feel that government will > > sooner > > > or later step in because of the privacy issues involved. > > > It is one thing to be a repository of historical facts, as they are > > and > > > have been, but it is quite another to be able to tie all of these > > historical > > > facts, together, as we easily do for them. When you put "historical > > facts" > > > and the links that tie them to specific families, as is the case with > any > > > GEDCOMS you submit to them, and put all of this under a religious > > umbrella, > > > then you have created the situation where your family information can be > > > sold to other parties, parties you never intended to have that family > > > information....... > > > > > > John R. Clarke > > > Thomasville, GA > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Bill Brewer" <wwb@ix.netcom.com> > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 8:37 PM > > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree > > > > > > > > > > This whole discussion is getting a little silly. Yes, Ancestry.com > > > > collects information, which they then turn around and sell. What do > you > > > > expect? Do you think any company, or anyone else for that matter, > would > > > > do your research for you for free? What do you think professional > > > > genealogists have been doing for years? They have been collecting > > > > information and selling it to you. > > > > > > > > Personally, I have submitted my information to World Connects. I sent > > it > > > > prior to Ancestry taking over Rootsweb, but I have continued to update > > it > > > > since, and will continue to do so. I have benefited immensely by so > > doing > > > > in that mistakes have been corrected, and I have found many new > friends > > > > and relatives researching the same line. My research has expanded by > > > > leaps and bounds. > > > > > > > > While we're on the subject, have you ever wondered why Ancestry took > > over > > > > Rootsweb? We, the genealogical public, never supported Rootsweb > > strongly > > > > enough for it to survive as a non-profit organization. It depended on > > our > > > > contributions, both money and data. I contributed both, but not > enough > > of > > > > us supported them monetarily. > > > > > > > > As to Ancestry having no competitors...What about GenCircles, Family > > Tree > > > > Maker, GenServe, National Genealogical Society, etc., etc.? There are > > > > many sources out there, Ancestry is just one, and they have never > forced > > > > anyone to contribute to their data bases. If you don't want to share > > your > > > > "hard-earned data" with them, don't. I have and will continue to do > so. > > > > We'll see who benefits the most in the long run. > > > > > > > > Finally, no, I didn't know the owners of Ancestry were the biggest > > owners > > > > of gambling enterprises on the strip in Las Vegas, and now that I have > > > > been told, my next question is...so what? What does that have to do > > with > > > > anything? > > > > > > > > Do we really want to go back to the "good old days," where we each had > > to > > > > travel to the countless archives scattered around the country (not to > > > > mention the world)? In my humble opinion, the answer is a resounding > > > > "NO!" > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? 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