RE: " I followed my surname back all the way to England in the 15th Century based on DAR information from the 1930's...before I discovered that the two ladies that had joined the DAR and whose information I was taking on faith had fabricated the entire line! And books are still being written using their information, even though the DAR itself has disowned it." Ain't that the truth. Now you know why so much of what we see today makes no sense, whatsoever. However, I think we will get to the bottom of it with the primary source records that are out there, these days, and those which will be coming online in the future, especially when combined with DNA analysis. I also think there will be some major surprises along the way, too. BTW, has your line been DNA tested, yet. Since the Bill BREWER line is one of the most mysterious DANIEL lines around, I think it would behoove you to have someone from this DANIEL line tested, if you have not do so, already. The test for my DANIEL line went in, today, so I should know something on my line within about six weeks..... John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Brewer" <wwb@ix.netcom.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree > Ruth, > You should have asked that Center's librarian to see the Center's Strict > Copyright policy. For the last several years (never mind how many is > "several"...just consider it to be more than I'd like to admit) I have > visited Salt Lake City twice a year, spending a week going through films > and > making prints. In between visits to Salt Lake City, I have gone to the > local Center in West Los Angeles, ordered films from Salt Lake City, and > have made many copies. Never has anyone told me there was a limit on the > copies I could make...and I have been there often enough that several of > the > volunteers know me by name. Actually, there is no copyright on public > records. I think you were the victim of an over-zealous local librarian. > > One thing I will agree with Jack on...there is nothing that can compare to > the thrill of going down and prowling through some dusty records in some > dirty basement of an obscure courthouse...and finding a gem! But, the > problem with that is that you don't always know which obscure courthouse > and > which dirty basement, or which dusty record is going to give you that > payoff. You still can't trust the information on the LDS films > implicitly, > but they will guide you to the proper places to find the original records, > and that's what we're looking for. > > As for cobbled up records, yes, there are a lot of cobbled up records. > But > they existed long before Ancestry.com came on the scene. I followed my > surname back all the way to England in the 15th Century based on DAR > information from the 1930's...before I discovered that the two ladies that > had joined the DAR and whose information I was taking on faith had > fabricated the entire line! And books are still being written using their > information, even though the DAR itself has disowned it. > > There is junk out there. There is junk on the commercial services, and > there is junk on the "free" services (here free is in quotes because my > time is valuable, junk costs time). Only the original source records are > absolute proof (and even those could have been falsified). It doesn't > matter if you use the commercial services or the "free" services, you > still > have to verify the data...and if your families get cobbled up, it is > always > you who cobbled them. > > I know, I said I wasn't going to comment further on this subject...see, > even > I can't be relied upon. > Bill > And this, I promise, is my last comment on the subject. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ruth Newlan" <ruthann@saw.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 6:59 PM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree > > >> Jack: >> >> There is something to John's statement. I've used the LSD Films > extensively >> over the last few years to research Monroe Co., AL court records. After >> ordering a number of films and taking a great number of prints off the >> films - I was reminded by the center's Librarian of the Family History >> Center's Strict Copyright policy. They feel that when they have filmed >> records that they own the copyright on them. And, likewise you will not > find >> the same records recorded in any type of media in the AL State Archives. >> >> Yes, the original records are still in the basement of the old Monroe >> Courthouse - now Heritage Museum. And, by asking the right person, I >> understand that folks can still go down and prowl through the dusty > records >> in a dirty basement. It appears that the State of AL upholds the LSD >> copyright. >> >> As you know, I love sharing what I have on my families lines and do it >> freely (and that's the key word - FREELY). I've spent a good dime on my >> research as many of you have. And, anyone with a little ambition will > know >> all that I know by reading on the Internet - I post to lists very often. >> >> And, talk about some cobbeled up histories that will be the results! If > my >> families get cobbled up - I'd rather have done it myself ;>) >> Just my two cents - Ruth in Portland, OR >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jack V Butler" <JackVButler@comcast.net> >> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 7:07 PM >> Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree >> >> >> > One entity controlling all of the genealogical information? Are you >> > tripping, John? The information is still out there, in the State >> Archives, >> > the Courthouses, in the Churches, the City Halls. Believe me, I have > gone >> > and found it there. Been to the National Archives, too. All of that > cost >> > me a whole lot of money in travel, lodging and meals on the road - and >> most >> > of it was fishing trips, going to where I THOUGHT that I might find my >> > ancestors records. >> > >> > Now, I pay a little money and sit in the convenience of my own home, in > a >> > comfortable chair, with my shoes off, while I look at scans of original >> > census records at 10:00 p.m. at night. In short, I pay for the >> convenience >> > of easy multiple searches and of ease of delivery. I don't HAVE to go > to >> > these sources, I could go back and do it the old way - indeed, I often > do. >> > But now I almost always have much better leads when I go to a >> > courthouse >> > because I have often found a transcript or original record to point me > in >> > the right direction. >> > >> > Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against free resources - I have >> > volunteered to digitize records for several county sites and will > probably >> > do so again. But I certainly don't begrudge the fees that I pay to the >> > folks who went to the trouble to collect into a single location large >> > quantities of the kind of records that I want to see. >> > >> > Nobody is forced to use the subscription services - but I cannot >> > imagine >> why >> > they wouldn't. >> > >> > Jack Butler >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> >> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 9:46 PM >> > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree >> > >> > >> > > Bill, >> > > I am sorry but I have always felt that genealogical information >> > belongs >> > > to the families involved and not some commercial entity. I do not > think >> > you >> > > have ever seen this old boy recommend resorting to a professional >> > > genealogist, have you? >> > > Maybe it takes me a little longer than by paying some person to >> > > do >> > this >> > > work for me but the "thrill of the chase" is as important as the end >> > results >> > > of that chase. Plus, I have made lots of friends in the process, >> persons >> > > that I never would have known, otherwise. >> > > As for the LDS Church owning most of everything as relates to the >> > > genealogical records of this nation, I have real problems with that > and >> > not >> > > just because of privacy issues, either. Employers, insurance > companies, >> >> > > etc.do not have to have your medical records, they can get a lot of >> > > information about you and your family strictly from the history of > your >> > > family, e.g. their typical life spans, their cause of death, etc. >> > Normally, >> > > this information is pretty well protected because these entities do > not >> > know >> > > your family history but put it all in one location and watch out. >> > > Let >> > them >> > > get a hold of your DNA information and really watch out. >> > > Here we have a tax exempt organization, the LDS Church, using tax >> > exempt >> > > NPO's, like Rootsweb and probably Ancestry, to increase their overall >> > wealth >> > > through commercialization and not having to pay corporate taxes on >> > > any >> of >> > > it. Now, do you understand why members of this church are the > richest >> of >> > > any organized religion in this country -- they use our tax laws to > their >> > > benefit. I guess you could say, they are also a whole lot smarter > than >> > the >> > > rest of us in this regard. >> > > I did not know they were in the gaming and casino business until >> > > I >> was >> > > in Las Vegas covering the Shot Show for my publication a few years >> > > ago >> and >> > > read in their local paper an investigative report done one of their >> staff >> > > writers on this matter. It really surprised me, too, because I never >> > > associated any organized religion with this type of business. I also >> > assume >> > > you know they also own Novell and Word Perfect, or did at one time. >> > > In this country we have laws to protect each of our individual >> > religious >> > > beliefs or even to protect us from religion if you believe some, but > to >> > have >> > > one specific religious body controlling all of the genealogical >> > information >> > > of this country, I find appalling. I also feel that government will >> > sooner >> > > or later step in because of the privacy issues involved. >> > > It is one thing to be a repository of historical facts, as they > are >> > and >> > > have been, but it is quite another to be able to tie all of these >> > historical >> > > facts, together, as we easily do for them. When you put "historical >> > facts" >> > > and the links that tie them to specific families, as is the case with >> any >> > > GEDCOMS you submit to them, and put all of this under a religious >> > umbrella, >> > > then you have created the situation where your family information can > be >> > > sold to other parties, parties you never intended to have that family >> > > information....... >> > > >> > > John R. Clarke >> > > Thomasville, GA >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: "Bill Brewer" <wwb@ix.netcom.com> >> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 8:37 PM >> > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree >> > > >> > > >> > > > This whole discussion is getting a little silly. Yes, Ancestry.com >> > > > collects information, which they then turn around and sell. What >> > > > do >> you >> > > > expect? Do you think any company, or anyone else for that matter, >> would >> > > > do your research for you for free? What do you think professional >> > > > genealogists have been doing for years? They have been collecting >> > > > information and selling it to you. >> > > > >> > > > Personally, I have submitted my information to World Connects. I > sent >> > it >> > > > prior to Ancestry taking over Rootsweb, but I have continued to > update >> > it >> > > > since, and will continue to do so. I have benefited immensely by >> > > > so >> > doing >> > > > in that mistakes have been corrected, and I have found many new >> friends >> > > > and relatives researching the same line. My research has expanded > by >> > > > leaps and bounds. >> > > > >> > > > While we're on the subject, have you ever wondered why Ancestry >> > > > took >> > over >> > > > Rootsweb? We, the genealogical public, never supported Rootsweb >> > strongly >> > > > enough for it to survive as a non-profit organization. It depended > on >> > our >> > > > contributions, both money and data. I contributed both, but not >> enough >> > of >> > > > us supported them monetarily. >> > > > >> > > > As to Ancestry having no competitors...What about GenCircles, >> > > > Family >> > Tree >> > > > Maker, GenServe, National Genealogical Society, etc., etc.? There > are >> > > > many sources out there, Ancestry is just one, and they have never >> forced >> > > > anyone to contribute to their data bases. If you don't want to > share >> > your >> > > > "hard-earned data" with them, don't. I have and will continue to >> > > > do >> so. >> > > > We'll see who benefits the most in the long run. >> > > > >> > > > Finally, no, I didn't know the owners of Ancestry were the biggest >> > owners >> > > > of gambling enterprises on the strip in Las Vegas, and now that I > have >> > > > been told, my next question is...so what? What does that have to >> > > > do >> > with >> > > > anything? >> > > > >> > > > Do we really want to go back to the "good old days," where we each > had >> > to >> > > > travel to the countless archives scattered around the country (not > to >> > > > mention the world)? In my humble opinion, the answer is a > resounding >> > > > "NO!" >> > > > >> > > > Bill >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >> > > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? 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Jack, If I could find a male descendant of Benjamin Daniel and Margaret Brown, who are my earliest fully documented ancestors (Benjamin being the purported son of William Daniel and Mary Snead) I would certainly do my best to have him submit his DNA. So far, however I have not managed to find him. I have had my DNA analyzed, but of course that will only help with the Brewer line. The other DNA analysis (I won't even attempt to spell it, but the DNA inherited from mothers) also won't help with the Daniel line because my last Daniel ancestor was Virginia W. Daniel, daughter of William A. Daniel and Mary E. Cooper...so we shoot off into the Cooper line and from there into the Burton line, which is as far as I can go with that. But...we continue searching..... Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree > RE: " I followed my surname back all the way to England in the 15th Century > based on DAR > information from the 1930's...before I discovered that the two ladies that > had joined the DAR and whose information I was taking on faith had > fabricated the entire line! And books are still being written using their > information, even though the DAR itself has disowned it." > > > Ain't that the truth. Now you know why so much of what we see today makes > no sense, whatsoever. However, I think we will get to the bottom of it with > the primary source records that are out there, these days, and those which > will be coming online in the future, especially when combined with DNA > analysis. I also think there will be some major surprises along the way, > too. > > BTW, has your line been DNA tested, yet. Since the Bill BREWER line is one > of the most mysterious DANIEL lines around, I think it would behoove you to > have someone from this DANIEL line tested, if you have not do so, already. > > The test for my DANIEL line went in, today, so I should know something on my > line within about six weeks..... > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Brewer" <wwb@ix.netcom.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 12:03 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree > > > > Ruth, > > You should have asked that Center's librarian to see the Center's Strict > > Copyright policy. For the last several years (never mind how many is > > "several"...just consider it to be more than I'd like to admit) I have > > visited Salt Lake City twice a year, spending a week going through films > > and > > making prints. In between visits to Salt Lake City, I have gone to the > > local Center in West Los Angeles, ordered films from Salt Lake City, and > > have made many copies. Never has anyone told me there was a limit on the > > copies I could make...and I have been there often enough that several of > > the > > volunteers know me by name. Actually, there is no copyright on public > > records. I think you were the victim of an over-zealous local librarian. > > > > One thing I will agree with Jack on...there is nothing that can compare to > > the thrill of going down and prowling through some dusty records in some > > dirty basement of an obscure courthouse...and finding a gem! But, the > > problem with that is that you don't always know which obscure courthouse > > and > > which dirty basement, or which dusty record is going to give you that > > payoff. You still can't trust the information on the LDS films > > implicitly, > > but they will guide you to the proper places to find the original records, > > and that's what we're looking for. > > > > As for cobbled up records, yes, there are a lot of cobbled up records. > > But > > they existed long before Ancestry.com came on the scene. I followed my > > surname back all the way to England in the 15th Century based on DAR > > information from the 1930's...before I discovered that the two ladies that > > had joined the DAR and whose information I was taking on faith had > > fabricated the entire line! And books are still being written using their > > information, even though the DAR itself has disowned it. > > > > There is junk out there. There is junk on the commercial services, and > > there is junk on the "free" services (here free is in quotes because my > > time is valuable, junk costs time). Only the original source records are > > absolute proof (and even those could have been falsified). It doesn't > > matter if you use the commercial services or the "free" services, you > > still > > have to verify the data...and if your families get cobbled up, it is > > always > > you who cobbled them. > > > > I know, I said I wasn't going to comment further on this subject...see, > > even > > I can't be relied upon. > > Bill > > And this, I promise, is my last comment on the subject. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ruth Newlan" <ruthann@saw.net> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 6:59 PM > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree > > > > > >> Jack: > >> > >> There is something to John's statement. I've used the LSD Films > > extensively > >> over the last few years to research Monroe Co., AL court records. After > >> ordering a number of films and taking a great number of prints off the > >> films - I was reminded by the center's Librarian of the Family History > >> Center's Strict Copyright policy. They feel that when they have filmed > >> records that they own the copyright on them. And, likewise you will not > > find > >> the same records recorded in any type of media in the AL State Archives. > >> > >> Yes, the original records are still in the basement of the old Monroe > >> Courthouse - now Heritage Museum. And, by asking the right person, I > >> understand that folks can still go down and prowl through the dusty > > records > >> in a dirty basement. It appears that the State of AL upholds the LSD > >> copyright. > >> > >> As you know, I love sharing what I have on my families lines and do it > >> freely (and that's the key word - FREELY). I've spent a good dime on my > >> research as many of you have. And, anyone with a little ambition will > > know > >> all that I know by reading on the Internet - I post to lists very often. > >> > >> And, talk about some cobbeled up histories that will be the results! If > > my > >> families get cobbled up - I'd rather have done it myself ;>) > >> Just my two cents - Ruth in Portland, OR > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Jack V Butler" <JackVButler@comcast.net> > >> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 7:07 PM > >> Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree > >> > >> > >> > One entity controlling all of the genealogical information? Are you > >> > tripping, John? The information is still out there, in the State > >> Archives, > >> > the Courthouses, in the Churches, the City Halls. Believe me, I have > > gone > >> > and found it there. Been to the National Archives, too. All of that > > cost > >> > me a whole lot of money in travel, lodging and meals on the road - and > >> most > >> > of it was fishing trips, going to where I THOUGHT that I might find my > >> > ancestors records. > >> > > >> > Now, I pay a little money and sit in the convenience of my own home, in > > a > >> > comfortable chair, with my shoes off, while I look at scans of original > >> > census records at 10:00 p.m. at night. In short, I pay for the > >> convenience > >> > of easy multiple searches and of ease of delivery. I don't HAVE to go > > to > >> > these sources, I could go back and do it the old way - indeed, I often > > do. > >> > But now I almost always have much better leads when I go to a > >> > courthouse > >> > because I have often found a transcript or original record to point me > > in > >> > the right direction. > >> > > >> > Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against free resources - I have > >> > volunteered to digitize records for several county sites and will > > probably > >> > do so again. But I certainly don't begrudge the fees that I pay to the > >> > folks who went to the trouble to collect into a single location large > >> > quantities of the kind of records that I want to see. > >> > > >> > Nobody is forced to use the subscription services - but I cannot > >> > imagine > >> why > >> > they wouldn't. > >> > > >> > Jack Butler > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > >> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 9:46 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree > >> > > >> > > >> > > Bill, > >> > > I am sorry but I have always felt that genealogical information > >> > belongs > >> > > to the families involved and not some commercial entity. I do not > > think > >> > you > >> > > have ever seen this old boy recommend resorting to a professional > >> > > genealogist, have you? > >> > > Maybe it takes me a little longer than by paying some person to > >> > > do > >> > this > >> > > work for me but the "thrill of the chase" is as important as the end > >> > results > >> > > of that chase. Plus, I have made lots of friends in the process, > >> persons > >> > > that I never would have known, otherwise. > >> > > As for the LDS Church owning most of everything as relates to the > >> > > genealogical records of this nation, I have real problems with that > > and > >> > not > >> > > just because of privacy issues, either. Employers, insurance > > companies, > >> > >> > > etc.do not have to have your medical records, they can get a lot of > >> > > information about you and your family strictly from the history of > > your > >> > > family, e.g. their typical life spans, their cause of death, etc. > >> > Normally, > >> > > this information is pretty well protected because these entities do > > not > >> > know > >> > > your family history but put it all in one location and watch out. > >> > > Let > >> > them > >> > > get a hold of your DNA information and really watch out. > >> > > Here we have a tax exempt organization, the LDS Church, using tax > >> > exempt > >> > > NPO's, like Rootsweb and probably Ancestry, to increase their overall > >> > wealth > >> > > through commercialization and not having to pay corporate taxes on > >> > > any > >> of > >> > > it. Now, do you understand why members of this church are the > > richest > >> of > >> > > any organized religion in this country -- they use our tax laws to > > their > >> > > benefit. I guess you could say, they are also a whole lot smarter > > than > >> > the > >> > > rest of us in this regard. > >> > > I did not know they were in the gaming and casino business until > >> > > I > >> was > >> > > in Las Vegas covering the Shot Show for my publication a few years > >> > > ago > >> and > >> > > read in their local paper an investigative report done one of their > >> staff > >> > > writers on this matter. It really surprised me, too, because I never > >> > > associated any organized religion with this type of business. I also > >> > assume > >> > > you know they also own Novell and Word Perfect, or did at one time. > >> > > In this country we have laws to protect each of our individual > >> > religious > >> > > beliefs or even to protect us from religion if you believe some, but > > to > >> > have > >> > > one specific religious body controlling all of the genealogical > >> > information > >> > > of this country, I find appalling. I also feel that government will > >> > sooner > >> > > or later step in because of the privacy issues involved. > >> > > It is one thing to be a repository of historical facts, as they > > are > >> > and > >> > > have been, but it is quite another to be able to tie all of these > >> > historical > >> > > facts, together, as we easily do for them. When you put "historical > >> > facts" > >> > > and the links that tie them to specific families, as is the case with > >> any > >> > > GEDCOMS you submit to them, and put all of this under a religious > >> > umbrella, > >> > > then you have created the situation where your family information can > > be > >> > > sold to other parties, parties you never intended to have that family > >> > > information....... > >> > > > >> > > John R. Clarke > >> > > Thomasville, GA > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > > From: "Bill Brewer" <wwb@ix.netcom.com> > >> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > >> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 8:37 PM > >> > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > This whole discussion is getting a little silly. Yes, Ancestry.com > >> > > > collects information, which they then turn around and sell. What > >> > > > do > >> you > >> > > > expect? Do you think any company, or anyone else for that matter, > >> would > >> > > > do your research for you for free? What do you think professional > >> > > > genealogists have been doing for years? They have been collecting > >> > > > information and selling it to you. > >> > > > > >> > > > Personally, I have submitted my information to World Connects. I > > sent > >> > it > >> > > > prior to Ancestry taking over Rootsweb, but I have continued to > > update > >> > it > >> > > > since, and will continue to do so. I have benefited immensely by > >> > > > so > >> > doing > >> > > > in that mistakes have been corrected, and I have found many new > >> friends > >> > > > and relatives researching the same line. My research has expanded > > by > >> > > > leaps and bounds. > >> > > > > >> > > > While we're on the subject, have you ever wondered why Ancestry > >> > > > took > >> > over > >> > > > Rootsweb? We, the genealogical public, never supported Rootsweb > >> > strongly > >> > > > enough for it to survive as a non-profit organization. It depended > > on > >> > our > >> > > > contributions, both money and data. I contributed both, but not > >> enough > >> > of > >> > > > us supported them monetarily. > >> > > > > >> > > > As to Ancestry having no competitors...What about GenCircles, > >> > > > Family > >> > Tree > >> > > > Maker, GenServe, National Genealogical Society, etc., etc.? There > > are > >> > > > many sources out there, Ancestry is just one, and they have never > >> forced > >> > > > anyone to contribute to their data bases. If you don't want to > > share > >> > your > >> > > > "hard-earned data" with them, don't. I have and will continue to > >> > > > do > >> so. > >> > > > We'll see who benefits the most in the long run. > >> > > > > >> > > > Finally, no, I didn't know the owners of Ancestry were the biggest > >> > owners > >> > > > of gambling enterprises on the strip in Las Vegas, and now that I > > have > >> > > > been told, my next question is...so what? What does that have to > >> > > > do > >> > with > >> > > > anything? > >> > > > > >> > > > Do we really want to go back to the "good old days," where we each > > had > >> > to > >> > > > travel to the countless archives scattered around the country (not > > to > >> > > > mention the world)? In my humble opinion, the answer is a > > resounding > >> > > > "NO!" > >> > > > > >> > > > Bill > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > >> > > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? 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