Bill, I am sorry but I have always felt that genealogical information belongs to the families involved and not some commercial entity. I do not think you have ever seen this old boy recommend resorting to a professional genealogist, have you? Maybe it takes me a little longer than by paying some person to do this work for me but the "thrill of the chase" is as important as the end results of that chase. Plus, I have made lots of friends in the process, persons that I never would have known, otherwise. As for the LDS Church owning most of everything as relates to the genealogical records of this nation, I have real problems with that and not just because of privacy issues, either. Employers, insurance companies, etc.do not have to have your medical records, they can get a lot of information about you and your family strictly from the history of your family, e.g. their typical life spans, their cause of death, etc. Normally, this information is pretty well protected because these entities do not know your family history but put it all in one location and watch out. Let them get a hold of your DNA information and really watch out. Here we have a tax exempt organization, the LDS Church, using tax exempt NPO's, like Rootsweb and probably Ancestry, to increase their overall wealth through commercialization and not having to pay corporate taxes on any of it. Now, do you understand why members of this church are the richest of any organized religion in this country -- they use our tax laws to their benefit. I guess you could say, they are also a whole lot smarter than the rest of us in this regard. I did not know they were in the gaming and casino business until I was in Las Vegas covering the Shot Show for my publication a few years ago and read in their local paper an investigative report done one of their staff writers on this matter. It really surprised me, too, because I never associated any organized religion with this type of business. I also assume you know they also own Novell and Word Perfect, or did at one time. In this country we have laws to protect each of our individual religious beliefs or even to protect us from religion if you believe some, but to have one specific religious body controlling all of the genealogical information of this country, I find appalling. I also feel that government will sooner or later step in because of the privacy issues involved. It is one thing to be a repository of historical facts, as they are and have been, but it is quite another to be able to tie all of these historical facts, together, as we easily do for them. When you put "historical facts" and the links that tie them to specific families, as is the case with any GEDCOMS you submit to them, and put all of this under a religious umbrella, then you have created the situation where your family information can be sold to other parties, parties you never intended to have that family information....... John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Brewer" <wwb@ix.netcom.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 8:37 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree > This whole discussion is getting a little silly. Yes, Ancestry.com > collects information, which they then turn around and sell. What do you > expect? Do you think any company, or anyone else for that matter, would > do your research for you for free? What do you think professional > genealogists have been doing for years? They have been collecting > information and selling it to you. > > Personally, I have submitted my information to World Connects. I sent it > prior to Ancestry taking over Rootsweb, but I have continued to update it > since, and will continue to do so. I have benefited immensely by so doing > in that mistakes have been corrected, and I have found many new friends > and relatives researching the same line. My research has expanded by > leaps and bounds. > > While we're on the subject, have you ever wondered why Ancestry took over > Rootsweb? We, the genealogical public, never supported Rootsweb strongly > enough for it to survive as a non-profit organization. It depended on our > contributions, both money and data. I contributed both, but not enough of > us supported them monetarily. > > As to Ancestry having no competitors...What about GenCircles, Family Tree > Maker, GenServe, National Genealogical Society, etc., etc.? There are > many sources out there, Ancestry is just one, and they have never forced > anyone to contribute to their data bases. If you don't want to share your > "hard-earned data" with them, don't. I have and will continue to do so. > We'll see who benefits the most in the long run. > > Finally, no, I didn't know the owners of Ancestry were the biggest owners > of gambling enterprises on the strip in Las Vegas, and now that I have > been told, my next question is...so what? What does that have to do with > anything? > > Do we really want to go back to the "good old days," where we each had to > travel to the countless archives scattered around the country (not to > mention the world)? In my humble opinion, the answer is a resounding > "NO!" > > Bill > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? 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John, I am sorry. Please accept this is a perfectly honest statement of my position, and not as some attempt to subvert the group (DANIEL-L), but my only possible response is to repeat the opening sentence of my original message. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree > Bill, > I am sorry but I have always felt that genealogical information belongs > to the families involved and not some commercial entity. I do not think you > have ever seen this old boy recommend resorting to a professional > genealogist, have you? > Maybe it takes me a little longer than by paying some person to do this > work for me but the "thrill of the chase" is as important as the end results > of that chase. Plus, I have made lots of friends in the process, persons > that I never would have known, otherwise. > As for the LDS Church owning most of everything as relates to the > genealogical records of this nation, I have real problems with that and not > just because of privacy issues, either. Employers, insurance companies, > etc.do not have to have your medical records, they can get a lot of > information about you and your family strictly from the history of your > family, e.g. their typical life spans, their cause of death, etc. Normally, > this information is pretty well protected because these entities do not know > your family history but put it all in one location and watch out. Let them > get a hold of your DNA information and really watch out. > Here we have a tax exempt organization, the LDS Church, using tax exempt > NPO's, like Rootsweb and probably Ancestry, to increase their overall wealth > through commercialization and not having to pay corporate taxes on any of > it. Now, do you understand why members of this church are the richest of > any organized religion in this country -- they use our tax laws to their > benefit. I guess you could say, they are also a whole lot smarter than the > rest of us in this regard. > I did not know they were in the gaming and casino business until I was > in Las Vegas covering the Shot Show for my publication a few years ago and > read in their local paper an investigative report done one of their staff > writers on this matter. It really surprised me, too, because I never > associated any organized religion with this type of business. I also assume > you know they also own Novell and Word Perfect, or did at one time. > In this country we have laws to protect each of our individual religious > beliefs or even to protect us from religion if you believe some, but to have > one specific religious body controlling all of the genealogical information > of this country, I find appalling. I also feel that government will sooner > or later step in because of the privacy issues involved. > It is one thing to be a repository of historical facts, as they are and > have been, but it is quite another to be able to tie all of these historical > facts, together, as we easily do for them. When you put "historical facts" > and the links that tie them to specific families, as is the case with any > GEDCOMS you submit to them, and put all of this under a religious umbrella, > then you have created the situation where your family information can be > sold to other parties, parties you never intended to have that family > information....... > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Brewer" <wwb@ix.netcom.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 8:37 PM > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree > > > > This whole discussion is getting a little silly. Yes, Ancestry.com > > collects information, which they then turn around and sell. What do you > > expect? Do you think any company, or anyone else for that matter, would > > do your research for you for free? What do you think professional > > genealogists have been doing for years? They have been collecting > > information and selling it to you. > > > > Personally, I have submitted my information to World Connects. I sent it > > prior to Ancestry taking over Rootsweb, but I have continued to update it > > since, and will continue to do so. I have benefited immensely by so doing > > in that mistakes have been corrected, and I have found many new friends > > and relatives researching the same line. My research has expanded by > > leaps and bounds. > > > > While we're on the subject, have you ever wondered why Ancestry took over > > Rootsweb? We, the genealogical public, never supported Rootsweb strongly > > enough for it to survive as a non-profit organization. It depended on our > > contributions, both money and data. I contributed both, but not enough of > > us supported them monetarily. > > > > As to Ancestry having no competitors...What about GenCircles, Family Tree > > Maker, GenServe, National Genealogical Society, etc., etc.? There are > > many sources out there, Ancestry is just one, and they have never forced > > anyone to contribute to their data bases. If you don't want to share your > > "hard-earned data" with them, don't. I have and will continue to do so. > > We'll see who benefits the most in the long run. > > > > Finally, no, I didn't know the owners of Ancestry were the biggest owners > > of gambling enterprises on the strip in Las Vegas, and now that I have > > been told, my next question is...so what? What does that have to do with > > anything? > > > > Do we really want to go back to the "good old days," where we each had to > > travel to the countless archives scattered around the country (not to > > mention the world)? In my humble opinion, the answer is a resounding > > "NO!" > > > > Bill > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > > Mail Mode: > > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > or- > > Digest Mode: > > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > >

Oh...and I am sorry that I did this in two messages, but consider this a postscript: The previous message can be considered my final word on the subject (now there is an oxymoron, isn't it?). I won't discuss it further, because I think our purpose here is genealogy, not ranting. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree > Bill, > I am sorry but I have always felt that genealogical information belongs > to the families involved and not some commercial entity. I do not think you > have ever seen this old boy recommend resorting to a professional > genealogist, have you? > Maybe it takes me a little longer than by paying some person to do this > work for me but the "thrill of the chase" is as important as the end results > of that chase. Plus, I have made lots of friends in the process, persons > that I never would have known, otherwise. > As for the LDS Church owning most of everything as relates to the > genealogical records of this nation, I have real problems with that and not > just because of privacy issues, either. Employers, insurance companies, > etc.do not have to have your medical records, they can get a lot of > information about you and your family strictly from the history of your > family, e.g. their typical life spans, their cause of death, etc. Normally, > this information is pretty well protected because these entities do not know > your family history but put it all in one location and watch out. Let them > get a hold of your DNA information and really watch out. > Here we have a tax exempt organization, the LDS Church, using tax exempt > NPO's, like Rootsweb and probably Ancestry, to increase their overall wealth > through commercialization and not having to pay corporate taxes on any of > it. Now, do you understand why members of this church are the richest of > any organized religion in this country -- they use our tax laws to their > benefit. I guess you could say, they are also a whole lot smarter than the > rest of us in this regard. > I did not know they were in the gaming and casino business until I was > in Las Vegas covering the Shot Show for my publication a few years ago and > read in their local paper an investigative report done one of their staff > writers on this matter. It really surprised me, too, because I never > associated any organized religion with this type of business. I also assume > you know they also own Novell and Word Perfect, or did at one time. > In this country we have laws to protect each of our individual religious > beliefs or even to protect us from religion if you believe some, but to have > one specific religious body controlling all of the genealogical information > of this country, I find appalling. I also feel that government will sooner > or later step in because of the privacy issues involved. > It is one thing to be a repository of historical facts, as they are and > have been, but it is quite another to be able to tie all of these historical > facts, together, as we easily do for them. When you put "historical facts" > and the links that tie them to specific families, as is the case with any > GEDCOMS you submit to them, and put all of this under a religious umbrella, > then you have created the situation where your family information can be > sold to other parties, parties you never intended to have that family > information....... > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Brewer" <wwb@ix.netcom.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 8:37 PM > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree > > > > This whole discussion is getting a little silly. Yes, Ancestry.com > > collects information, which they then turn around and sell. What do you > > expect? Do you think any company, or anyone else for that matter, would > > do your research for you for free? What do you think professional > > genealogists have been doing for years? They have been collecting > > information and selling it to you. > > > > Personally, I have submitted my information to World Connects. I sent it > > prior to Ancestry taking over Rootsweb, but I have continued to update it > > since, and will continue to do so. I have benefited immensely by so doing > > in that mistakes have been corrected, and I have found many new friends > > and relatives researching the same line. My research has expanded by > > leaps and bounds. > > > > While we're on the subject, have you ever wondered why Ancestry took over > > Rootsweb? We, the genealogical public, never supported Rootsweb strongly > > enough for it to survive as a non-profit organization. It depended on our > > contributions, both money and data. I contributed both, but not enough of > > us supported them monetarily. > > > > As to Ancestry having no competitors...What about GenCircles, Family Tree > > Maker, GenServe, National Genealogical Society, etc., etc.? There are > > many sources out there, Ancestry is just one, and they have never forced > > anyone to contribute to their data bases. If you don't want to share your > > "hard-earned data" with them, don't. I have and will continue to do so. > > We'll see who benefits the most in the long run. > > > > Finally, no, I didn't know the owners of Ancestry were the biggest owners > > of gambling enterprises on the strip in Las Vegas, and now that I have > > been told, my next question is...so what? What does that have to do with > > anything? > > > > Do we really want to go back to the "good old days," where we each had to > > travel to the countless archives scattered around the country (not to > > mention the world)? In my humble opinion, the answer is a resounding > > "NO!" > > > > Bill > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > > Mail Mode: > > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > or- > > Digest Mode: > > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > >

One entity controlling all of the genealogical information? Are you tripping, John? The information is still out there, in the State Archives, the Courthouses, in the Churches, the City Halls. Believe me, I have gone and found it there. Been to the National Archives, too. All of that cost me a whole lot of money in travel, lodging and meals on the road - and most of it was fishing trips, going to where I THOUGHT that I might find my ancestors records. Now, I pay a little money and sit in the convenience of my own home, in a comfortable chair, with my shoes off, while I look at scans of original census records at 10:00 p.m. at night. In short, I pay for the convenience of easy multiple searches and of ease of delivery. I don't HAVE to go to these sources, I could go back and do it the old way - indeed, I often do. But now I almost always have much better leads when I go to a courthouse because I have often found a transcript or original record to point me in the right direction. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against free resources - I have volunteered to digitize records for several county sites and will probably do so again. But I certainly don't begrudge the fees that I pay to the folks who went to the trouble to collect into a single location large quantities of the kind of records that I want to see. Nobody is forced to use the subscription services - but I cannot imagine why they wouldn't. Jack Butler ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree > Bill, > I am sorry but I have always felt that genealogical information belongs > to the families involved and not some commercial entity. I do not think you > have ever seen this old boy recommend resorting to a professional > genealogist, have you? > Maybe it takes me a little longer than by paying some person to do this > work for me but the "thrill of the chase" is as important as the end results > of that chase. Plus, I have made lots of friends in the process, persons > that I never would have known, otherwise. > As for the LDS Church owning most of everything as relates to the > genealogical records of this nation, I have real problems with that and not > just because of privacy issues, either. Employers, insurance companies, > etc.do not have to have your medical records, they can get a lot of > information about you and your family strictly from the history of your > family, e.g. their typical life spans, their cause of death, etc. Normally, > this information is pretty well protected because these entities do not know > your family history but put it all in one location and watch out. Let them > get a hold of your DNA information and really watch out. > Here we have a tax exempt organization, the LDS Church, using tax exempt > NPO's, like Rootsweb and probably Ancestry, to increase their overall wealth > through commercialization and not having to pay corporate taxes on any of > it. Now, do you understand why members of this church are the richest of > any organized religion in this country -- they use our tax laws to their > benefit. I guess you could say, they are also a whole lot smarter than the > rest of us in this regard. > I did not know they were in the gaming and casino business until I was > in Las Vegas covering the Shot Show for my publication a few years ago and > read in their local paper an investigative report done one of their staff > writers on this matter. It really surprised me, too, because I never > associated any organized religion with this type of business. I also assume > you know they also own Novell and Word Perfect, or did at one time. > In this country we have laws to protect each of our individual religious > beliefs or even to protect us from religion if you believe some, but to have > one specific religious body controlling all of the genealogical information > of this country, I find appalling. I also feel that government will sooner > or later step in because of the privacy issues involved. > It is one thing to be a repository of historical facts, as they are and > have been, but it is quite another to be able to tie all of these historical > facts, together, as we easily do for them. When you put "historical facts" > and the links that tie them to specific families, as is the case with any > GEDCOMS you submit to them, and put all of this under a religious umbrella, > then you have created the situation where your family information can be > sold to other parties, parties you never intended to have that family > information....... > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Brewer" <wwb@ix.netcom.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 8:37 PM > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree > > > > This whole discussion is getting a little silly. Yes, Ancestry.com > > collects information, which they then turn around and sell. What do you > > expect? Do you think any company, or anyone else for that matter, would > > do your research for you for free? What do you think professional > > genealogists have been doing for years? They have been collecting > > information and selling it to you. > > > > Personally, I have submitted my information to World Connects. I sent it > > prior to Ancestry taking over Rootsweb, but I have continued to update it > > since, and will continue to do so. I have benefited immensely by so doing > > in that mistakes have been corrected, and I have found many new friends > > and relatives researching the same line. My research has expanded by > > leaps and bounds. > > > > While we're on the subject, have you ever wondered why Ancestry took over > > Rootsweb? We, the genealogical public, never supported Rootsweb strongly > > enough for it to survive as a non-profit organization. It depended on our > > contributions, both money and data. I contributed both, but not enough of > > us supported them monetarily. > > > > As to Ancestry having no competitors...What about GenCircles, Family Tree > > Maker, GenServe, National Genealogical Society, etc., etc.? There are > > many sources out there, Ancestry is just one, and they have never forced > > anyone to contribute to their data bases. If you don't want to share your > > "hard-earned data" with them, don't. I have and will continue to do so. > > We'll see who benefits the most in the long run. > > > > Finally, no, I didn't know the owners of Ancestry were the biggest owners > > of gambling enterprises on the strip in Las Vegas, and now that I have > > been told, my next question is...so what? What does that have to do with > > anything? > > > > Do we really want to go back to the "good old days," where we each had to > > travel to the countless archives scattered around the country (not to > > mention the world)? In my humble opinion, the answer is a resounding > > "NO!" > > > > Bill > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > > Mail Mode: > > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > or- > > Digest Mode: > > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >

On 5/4/04 6:46 PM, "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> wrote: > Bill, > I am sorry but I have always felt that genealogical information belongs > to the families involved and not some commercial entity. I do not think you > have ever seen this old boy recommend resorting to a professional > genealogist, have you? > Maybe it takes me a little longer than by paying some person to do this > work for me but the "thrill of the chase" is as important as the end results > of that chase. Plus, I have made lots of friends in the process, persons > that I never would have known, otherwise. > As for the LDS Church owning most of everything as relates to the > genealogical records of this nation, I have real problems with that and not > just because of privacy issues, either. Employers, insurance companies, > etc.do not have to have your medical records, they can get a lot of > information about you and your family strictly from the history of your > family, e.g. their typical life spans, their cause of death, etc. Normally, > this information is pretty well protected because these entities do not know > your family history but put it all in one location and watch out. Let them > get a hold of your DNA information and really watch out. > Here we have a tax exempt organization, the LDS Church, using tax exempt > NPO's, like Rootsweb and probably Ancestry, to increase their overall wealth > through commercialization and not having to pay corporate taxes on any of > it. Now, do you understand why members of this church are the richest of > any organized religion in this country -- they use our tax laws to their > benefit. I guess you could say, they are also a whole lot smarter than the > rest of us in this regard. > I did not know they were in the gaming and casino business until I was > in Las Vegas covering the Shot Show for my publication a few years ago and > read in their local paper an investigative report done one of their staff > writers on this matter. It really surprised me, too, because I never > associated any organized religion with this type of business. I also assume > you know they also own Novell and Word Perfect, or did at one time. > In this country we have laws to protect each of our individual religious > beliefs or even to protect us from religion if you believe some, but to have > one specific religious body controlling all of the genealogical information > of this country, I find appalling. I also feel that government will sooner > or later step in because of the privacy issues involved. > It is one thing to be a repository of historical facts, as they are and > have been, but it is quite another to be able to tie all of these historical > facts, together, as we easily do for them. When you put "historical facts" > and the links that tie them to specific families, as is the case with any > GEDCOMS you submit to them, and put all of this under a religious umbrella, > then you have created the situation where your family information can be > sold to other parties, parties you never intended to have that family > information....... > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Brewer" <wwb@ix.netcom.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 8:37 PM > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree > > >> This whole discussion is getting a little silly. Yes, Ancestry.com >> collects information, which they then turn around and sell. What do you >> expect? Do you think any company, or anyone else for that matter, would >> do your research for you for free? What do you think professional >> genealogists have been doing for years? They have been collecting >> information and selling it to you. >> >> Personally, I have submitted my information to World Connects. I sent it >> prior to Ancestry taking over Rootsweb, but I have continued to update it >> since, and will continue to do so. I have benefited immensely by so doing >> in that mistakes have been corrected, and I have found many new friends >> and relatives researching the same line. My research has expanded by >> leaps and bounds. >> >> While we're on the subject, have you ever wondered why Ancestry took over >> Rootsweb? We, the genealogical public, never supported Rootsweb strongly >> enough for it to survive as a non-profit organization. It depended on our >> contributions, both money and data. I contributed both, but not enough of >> us supported them monetarily. >> >> As to Ancestry having no competitors...What about GenCircles, Family Tree >> Maker, GenServe, National Genealogical Society, etc., etc.? There are >> many sources out there, Ancestry is just one, and they have never forced >> anyone to contribute to their data bases. If you don't want to share your >> "hard-earned data" with them, don't. I have and will continue to do so. >> We'll see who benefits the most in the long run. >> >> Finally, no, I didn't know the owners of Ancestry were the biggest owners >> of gambling enterprises on the strip in Las Vegas, and now that I have >> been told, my next question is...so what? What does that have to do with >> anything? >> >> Do we really want to go back to the "good old days," where we each had to >> travel to the countless archives scattered around the country (not to >> mention the world)? In my humble opinion, the answer is a resounding >> "NO!" >> >> Bill >> >> >> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >> Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe >> Click on the following link and your message is ready to send >> Mail Mode: >> mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >> or- >> Digest Mode: >> mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >> >> > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > Hello John: I agree with you and thank you for the information. I don't mind paying a little bit of a fee for some of the records, but recently it does seem to me that the Utah people have gotten a tad greedy. So much so, that I cannot subscribe at this time which is very frustrating. All the best, Sharon --

John I have a question. If I already belong to Ancestry. com do I have to pay another $49.95 to belong to One World Tree. I have been away so missed some of the messages. Marjorie ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Wright<mailto:sherido1@pacbell.net> To: DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree On 5/4/04 6:46 PM, "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net<mailto:jclarke@rose.net>> wrote: > Bill, > I am sorry but I have always felt that genealogical information belongs > to the families involved and not some commercial entity. I do not think you > have ever seen this old boy recommend resorting to a professional > genealogist, have you? > Maybe it takes me a little longer than by paying some person to do this > work for me but the "thrill of the chase" is as important as the end results > of that chase. Plus, I have made lots of friends in the process, persons > that I never would have known, otherwise. > As for the LDS Church owning most of everything as relates to the > genealogical records of this nation, I have real problems with that and not > just because of privacy issues, either. Employers, insurance companies, > etc.do not have to have your medical records, they can get a lot of > information about you and your family strictly from the history of your > family, e.g. their typical life spans, their cause of death, etc. Normally, > this information is pretty well protected because these entities do not know > your family history but put it all in one location and watch out. Let them > get a hold of your DNA information and really watch out. > Here we have a tax exempt organization, the LDS Church, using tax exempt > NPO's, like Rootsweb and probably Ancestry, to increase their overall wealth > through commercialization and not having to pay corporate taxes on any of > it. Now, do you understand why members of this church are the richest of > any organized religion in this country -- they use our tax laws to their > benefit. I guess you could say, they are also a whole lot smarter than the > rest of us in this regard. > I did not know they were in the gaming and casino business until I was > in Las Vegas covering the Shot Show for my publication a few years ago and > read in their local paper an investigative report done one of their staff > writers on this matter. It really surprised me, too, because I never > associated any organized religion with this type of business. I also assume > you know they also own Novell and Word Perfect, or did at one time. > In this country we have laws to protect each of our individual religious > beliefs or even to protect us from religion if you believe some, but to have > one specific religious body controlling all of the genealogical information > of this country, I find appalling. I also feel that government will sooner > or later step in because of the privacy issues involved. > It is one thing to be a repository of historical facts, as they are and > have been, but it is quite another to be able to tie all of these historical > facts, together, as we easily do for them. When you put "historical facts" > and the links that tie them to specific families, as is the case with any > GEDCOMS you submit to them, and put all of this under a religious umbrella, > then you have created the situation where your family information can be > sold to other parties, parties you never intended to have that family > information....... > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Brewer" <wwb@ix.netcom.com<mailto:wwb@ix.netcom.com>> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 8:37 PM > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree > > >> This whole discussion is getting a little silly. Yes, Ancestry.com >> collects information, which they then turn around and sell. What do you >> expect? Do you think any company, or anyone else for that matter, would >> do your research for you for free? What do you think professional >> genealogists have been doing for years? They have been collecting >> information and selling it to you. >> >> Personally, I have submitted my information to World Connects. I sent it >> prior to Ancestry taking over Rootsweb, but I have continued to update it >> since, and will continue to do so. I have benefited immensely by so doing >> in that mistakes have been corrected, and I have found many new friends >> and relatives researching the same line. My research has expanded by >> leaps and bounds. >> >> While we're on the subject, have you ever wondered why Ancestry took over >> Rootsweb? We, the genealogical public, never supported Rootsweb strongly >> enough for it to survive as a non-profit organization. It depended on our >> contributions, both money and data. I contributed both, but not enough of >> us supported them monetarily. >> >> As to Ancestry having no competitors...What about GenCircles, Family Tree >> Maker, GenServe, National Genealogical Society, etc., etc.? There are >> many sources out there, Ancestry is just one, and they have never forced >> anyone to contribute to their data bases. If you don't want to share your >> "hard-earned data" with them, don't. I have and will continue to do so. >> We'll see who benefits the most in the long run. >> >> Finally, no, I didn't know the owners of Ancestry were the biggest owners >> of gambling enterprises on the strip in Las Vegas, and now that I have >> been told, my next question is...so what? What does that have to do with >> anything? >> >> Do we really want to go back to the "good old days," where we each had to >> travel to the countless archives scattered around the country (not to >> mention the world)? In my humble opinion, the answer is a resounding >> "NO!" >> >> Bill >> >> >> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >> Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe >> Click on the following link and your message is ready to send >> Mail Mode: >> mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe<mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe> >> or- >> Digest Mode: >> mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe<mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe> >> >> > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe<mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe> > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe<mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe> > Hello John: I agree with you and thank you for the information. I don't mind paying a little bit of a fee for some of the records, but recently it does seem to me that the Utah people have gotten a tad greedy. So much so, that I cannot subscribe at this time which is very frustrating. All the best, Sharon -- ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not allowed on this list.