Ruth, I do not have this Thomas NEWMAN of Edgefield, SC. Was he the father of Lee NEWMAN who married your Lydia DANIEL b. 1847 in Conecuh, Monroe, Montgomery, AL. I have one other NEWMAN connection in that time frame. Capt. James NEWMAN married Rebecca Taylor WYCHE (ABt 1803-1867), d/o Littleton WYCHE, Sr., and Susannah MITCHELL of Thomas County, GA. Susannah was the d/o of Thomas Goodwyn MITCHELL and Anne RAINES. TGM was of Sussex County, VA, later Thomas County, GA. The JORDANS, MITCHELLS and RAINES were real close. This bunch also migrated through Hancock County, GA. Littleton WYCHE (1772-1834) was the son of Lt. Col. George WYCHE II and Patience CLARK of Brunswick County, VA, later Montgomery/Richmond County, GA. Patience was the d/o George CLARK and Prudence of Brunswick County, VA. Thomas G. MITCHELL was an uncle of Julius Caesar Bonaparte MITCHELL (1795-1848) who married Catherine DANIELL, d/o Levi DANIELL and Martha Pearson COOK -- the O'DANIEL line. Her sister, Juliet Anna DANIELL married Col. Warren JORDAN of Hall County, GA, later McMinn County, TN, so this seems to tie back to this JORDAN bunch, doesn't it? I will not take the leap of faith required to say this DANIELL bunch in Hancock County, GA is your DANIEL bunch in AL because these JORDANS seem to marry more class than family but they seem to be connected. I am sure you know the George JORDAN line as well as I do by now. <grin> However, your Edgefield connection to the NEWMANS may well indicate some connection to the DANIEL family of Edgefield who were related to the DANIELL bunch in Hancock County, GA because they were all O'DANIELS from Fairfax County, VA. I think there is more going on up in Spotsylvania County, VA than we now know. I know there were many links from this county to both Orange and Middlesex and we know the Elizabeth KEY who married Josiah DANIEL of Granville County, NC was from Spotsylvania County, VA. If you remember, James DANIEL, the father of this Josiah, migrated from Middlesex to Albemarle and then his kids migrated to Granville County, NC. This KEY bunch seems to have followed a similar migration - Spotsylvania to Albemarle County, VA. I find it interesting that some of the O'DANIELS of Fairfax County, VA moved dead south into SC and others moved dead west into KY -- all of this around the time or before the RW. These other DANIEL families of central-eastern VA moved gradually west into some of the new western counties of VA before the RW and then the headed dead south into NC and then GA after the RW. I guess you could say with some degree of confidence, if they migrated from VA to SC or GA around the time of the RW, there is a good chance they were O'DANIELS and if they migrated from VA or NC to these locations after the RW, they were probably from another DANIEL line. Sorry it took me so long to get around to this message but I have a rather full plate right now. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Newlan" <ruthann@saw.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Kelso-Daniel of Greene County, GA > Hold on John - you're goin' so fast. > > I have Thomas NEWMAN of Barnwell Dist SC who married Elizabeth BUSH. Their > son Thomas married into my Davis line in Monroe Co., AL. I've found Indian > Terr. Passports for Thomas and his family. > > Now, I've been looking at that WALKER/LAMAR marriage as being the possible > parents of Tandy WALKER, a hero/Indian Fighter of the War of 1812 in AL. I > can't quite get it together - but, I'm pretty sure that's the connection. > > My KEYS (descents of John KEY & Martha TANDY) & my HARRISON's (descendents > of Benj. Harrison) were connected in Edgefield Dist - I'm not sure that they > had direct history prior to SC. > > The Granville Co., NC WHATLEY's married into my DAVIS line. > > I should have information on the line of Dionysius WRIGHT - I think that he > has an OLIVER connection. > > Well, I see I'll be busy today. - Ruth > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 5:10 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Kelso-Daniel of Greene County, GA > > > > Ruth, > > A KEY family lived on the Stagecoach Road from Charleston as it passed > > through Morgan County, GA on its way to New Orleans. This ferry was > located > > just a little ways down the road from Wilson LUMPKIN's home. > > This KEY family operated a ferry and I think this was the crossing of > > the Apalachee RIVER from then Greene County, GA into Morgan, at Buckhead. > > The FITZPATRICKS established a foothold, early, in Buckhead, which is > > located about 8 or so miles southeast of Madison, the county seat of > Morgan > > County, GA. The PARKS also operated another ferry down in that area, > too, > > down in the Brownwood area -- southwest of Madison at about the same > > distance. > > Wilson LUMPKIN (1783-1870), two term Governor of GA, married Elizabeth > > WALKER, d/o Rev. Sanders WALKER and Sarah LAMAR, the d/o of Thomas LAMAR > III > > and Eleanor YOUNG who lived in Beech Island, SC -- outskirts of Augusta. > My > > first-cousin, once removed, Col. William Richter MUSTIN, Esq. (1857-1900) > of > > Madison, married Junie Whatley WRIGHT (1866-1900) of Beech Island, SC in > > 1894 at the home of her father, John Miller WRIGHT of Beech Island, SC. > > John was the son of Dionysius Z. WRIGHT, notice the name, Dionysius, and > > Sabrina A. BUSH of Barnwell County, SC and he was a grandson of Oakley H. > > WRIGHT and Nancy BAKER of New Castle, DE, later Windsor, Henry County, > > Missouri. Sabrina was the d/o George O. BUSH and Ellander SAPP of > > Williston, Barnwell County, SC. The BUSH's and MILLERS, mostly of the > > Edgefield area, go all the way back to Bertie County, NC. The parents > of > > Virginia C. WHATLEY, Junie's mother, was Col. Abner WHATLEY and Eliza Ruth > > WILLSON of Edgefield, SC. They go back to the WHATLEYS of Granville > County, > > NC. > > The LUMPKINS came to GA from the Halifax County, VA area. The parents > > of this family were a John H. LUMPKIN and Lucy HOPSON. They migrated into > > the Oglethorpe County, GA area and spread out from there. This family > > contained a lot of attorney, judges, etc and were contemporaries of Gov. > > John CLARKE, and Gen. Jeptha Vining HARRIS. > > > > John R. Clarke > > Thomasville, GA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ruth Newlan" <ruthann@saw.net> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 11:29 PM > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Kelso-Daniel of Greene County, GA > > > > > > > John: > > > > > > How nice of you to bring up the Key connection to these families. We've > > > kicked these Keys around alot trying to come to terms with Elizabeth Key > > and > > > Josiah Daniel. Yes, the Keys were part of these herd from way back in > VA. > > > We know that there are Daniel connections there. > > > > > > And, that brings up Anne's posting again. We know that James Key and > Mary > > > Daniel lived in KY. She has a Nancy C. Key who was the second wife to > > > Daniel Morris, son of Thomas and Mary Morris. > > > > > > Anne: Do you know the parents for Nancy? > > > > > > And, I'd forgot to mention the Colemans - at least two married Graves in > > my > > > line. And, Lamar, and so many others. You'd talked about the name > > > Maxwell - Dionysius Oliver's 2nd wife was Jane Jackson (supposedly > related > > > to Andrew Jackson) - and had a son named Jackson Oliver, who married a > > Polly > > > Maxwell. And, I think that I've ran into a couple of other ones. > > > > > > From what I've been able to read about Wm. H. Crawford - he and Charles > > Tait > > > were political buddies in GA and worked together to get Alabama State > > > Government established, along with James Dellet, who was James Daniel, > > Sr.'s > > > next door neighbor in Monroe Co., AL (or late least the next name on 3 > > > census). Although, the book I'm using doesn't list Mr. Crawford, I know > > > that there was at least a political connection. Seems to me that a > while > > > back I'd found a Bio for Crawford in the GA archieves, I believe, but it > > was > > > on-line. > > > > > > - Ruth > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 9:00 PM > > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Kelso-Daniel of Greene County, GA > > > > > > > > > > Ruth, > > > > I have some interesting connections. A George WYCHE married > Agatha > > > > CLARK b. ABT 1770. She was the d/o Christopher CLARK, Sr. (1737-1803) > > and > > > > Millicent TERRELL (1741-1800), as you noted. I have a pretty good > > layout > > > of > > > > Chris and Millicent's family if you want it. > > > > > > > > Lt. Col. George WYCHE II (ABT 1733-1809) of Brunswick County, VA, > > > later > > > > Richmond County, GA married a Patience CLARK, d/o George CLARK (d. > 1775) > > > and > > > > Prudence of Brunswick County, VA. I do not show a George in this line, > > but > > > > you know there has to be one and he was born in the right time frame > to > > > > marry Agatha. See note I have listed in the children of Chris and > > > > Millicent. > > > > > > > > As for Dionysious OLIVER. Three OLIVER boys married three of > Chris > > > and > > > > Millicent's kids. Lucy CLARK born ABT 1786 married a Simeon OLIVER. I > > > have > > > > a listing of their kids and a Dionysious is not listed as one of them. > > > > However, her sisters, Susan CLARK born 1783 in Albemarle County, VA > > > married > > > > a McCarthy OLIVER and Lucinda OLIVER born 1785 married a James OLIVER. > > I > > > > have no other information on either of these latter two boys but one > of > > > them > > > > must be the father of your Dionysius OLIVER. > > > > > > > > I also know of your interest in this family -- the KEYS, right? > > They, > > > > like the OLIVERS are all over this CLARK family. I still think there > > may > > > > be a link in this bunch to the CRAWFORDS of Morgan County, GA because > > the > > > > Hon. William H. CRAWFORD of Morgan County, GA named his youngest son, > > > > William Bibb CRAWFORD. I need to take a closer look at this CRAWFORD > > > > family. I do know that a Thomas CRAWFORD born 1770 in NC married > Martha > > > > COLEMAN, d/o Daniel COLEMAN Sr. and Unity CARROLL of Warren County, > NC. > > > > Martha was the sister of Eden COLEMAN who married Nancy Ann DANIEL, > > > > supposedly a d/o Thomas DANIEL and Sarah BURNEY or RANDLE of Greene > > > County, > > > > GA. Martha, like Eden, moved to Greene County, GA. Do not forget > that > > > > Nancy Ann DANIEL was a sister of Charles DANIEL who married Elizabeth > > > COFFEE > > > > and Eden, his uncle, by marriage. The same goes for the CRAWFORDS. > > > > > > > > I also think George CLARKE (who must have been born about 1690) > who > > > was > > > > the father of Patience CLARK who married George WYCHE II has to be > > related > > > > in some way to Christopher CLARK who married Millicent TERRELL. > > However, > > > I > > > > have Chris's father as Micajah CLARK (1718-1808) of Campbell County, > VA > > > and > > > > his grandfather as Christopher CLARK born 1690 in England. He was > > married > > > to > > > > Penelope (BOLLING) JOHNSON who was the granddaughter of the Earl of > > > > Shaftsbury. > > > > > > > > Maybe someone else will see something here while I see what I can find > > on > > > > the links between the HARRIS, CRAWFORD, COLEMAN and DANIEL families of > > > > Greene and Morgan County, GA and get a little better understanding of > > how > > > > they relate to the WYCHE and CLARK families. Most of you know this by > > now, > > > > but I will restate it -- I am not related to this CLARK family. > <grin> > > > > > > > > One further comment. A son of George CLARK and Prudence was a Randall > > > CLARK > > > > born ABT 1735 and from what I am seeing her, it kind of all smells to > be > > > > part of the same overall group of families. Your comments. > > > > > > > > Chris and Millicent's kids: > > > > > > > > <<< > > > > Children > > > > i. Micajah CLARK b: 25 FEB 1758 married a Penelope GATEWOOD > > > > ii. Christopher CLARK b: 6 JAN 1761 married Rebecca DAVIS > > > > iii. David CLARK b: 8 APR 1762 married a Mary CLARK > > > > iv. Mourning CLARK b: 12 AUG 1764 married William Bibb KEY), son of > > > Martin > > > > KEY and Nancy Ann BIBB, on 17 Aug 1782 in Albemarle County, Virginia. > > > > Later relocated to Elbert County, GA. > > > > v. Judith CLARK b: 22 OCT 1766 Married Peter WYCHE (b. ABT 1762) > RS-VA > > > son > > > > of Henry WYCHE and Frances BREWER of Greenville County, VA. > > > > vi. Rachel CLARK b: 8 OCT 1768 married a John BOWEN and John DALY > > > > vii. Agatha CLARK b: 28 AUG 1770 married George WYCHE (Note: Peter > WYCHE > > > did > > > > have a brother, George, born ABT 1770, so this may be him) > > > > viii. Mary CLARK b: 1 OCT 1772 married Henry Bibb KEY (1763-1836), son > > of > > > > Martin KEY and Nancy Ann BIBB and brother of William who married > > Mourning > > > > CLARK. > > > > ix. Samuel CLARK b: 5 OCT 1774 - no information > > > > x. Joshua CLARK b: 7 JUL 1777 - no information > > > > xi. Mildred CLARK b: 24 MAR 1779 married Shelton WHITE in 1794 > > > > xii. Charles Terrell CLARK b: 3 SEP 1781 - no information > > > > xiii, Susan CLARK b: 5 MAR 1783 - married McCarthy OLIVER > > > > xiv. Lucinda OLIVER born 1785 married James OLIVER > > > > xv. Lucy CLARK b: 19 APR 1786 - married Simeon OLIVER > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > . > > > > > > > > John R. Clarke > > > > Thomasville, GA > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Ruth Newlan" <ruthann@saw.net> > > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 8:53 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Kelso-Daniel of Greene County, GA > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi John & Anne (I hope you'll read this too) > > > > > > > > > > The only peeps that you've heard from me recently have been > regarding > > > the > > > > > families tied to a book "Early Settlers of Alabama" - of those being > > the > > > > > descendants of: > > > > > Christopher CLARK & Mildred TERRELL > > > > > > > > > > Dionysious OLIVER and Mary Anne WINFREY > > > > > > > > > > Zimri TAIT and Martha MAYFIELD (and their daughter Barbara Taits > > > marriage > > > > to > > > > > William Oliver son of Dionysious Oliver & William Oliver's > subsequent > > > > > marriage to a Creek Indian named Mary Polly Kean, granddaughter of > > "Big > > > > > Warrior" aka Joseph Cornell, Chief of the Wind Clan - Creek Nation) > > > > > > > > > > Zimri TAIT's brother William TAIT married Elizabeth HUDSON dau of > > > Charles > > > > > HUDSON & Susannah PATRICK > > > > > > > > > > Zimri TAIT's grandson - Charles TAIT (brother to Barbara Tait wife > of > > > > > William Oliver), statesman of GA who married Nancy Ann LUCAS & Sarah > > > > > WILLIAMSON. Charles died in Wilcox Co., AL. > > > > > > > > > > Barbara TAIT & William OLIVER's daughter Matilda Oliver married > David > > > > HUDSON > > > > > son of David HUDSON & Mary COBB BOOKER (Cobb, Booker, & BOON > families > > > come > > > > > into play about here and I haven't gotten this part sorted out as > > yet - > > > > but, > > > > > please note that the families are part of this herd.) And, Barbara > > > Tait's > > > > > sister, Lousia TAIT married John BANKS. So, Anne, when you came up > > with > > > > > some of the names you posted yesterday - including BOOKER as a > > possible > > > > name > > > > > of one of the son the connection became more likely. > > > > > > > > > > Now you already know that 2 of Christopher CLARK & Mildred TERRELL's > > > kids > > > > > married 2 of Dionysius OLIVER's kids. Ooops! Don't forget the > > White's - > > > > > Shelton WHITE & Mildred CLARK (another one of Christophers kids). > > > > > > > > > > I haven't touched on the WATKINS or the THOMPSON'S, LEWISES, > > > MERIWETHER's, > > > > > who all have intermarriages with the above mentioned families. Many > > of > > > > > these families had men who fought with William Oliver and Sam Dale & > > > just > > > > as > > > > > William Oliver did - married Native American women who had wealth > and > > > land > > > > > that had been granted to them in a very fertile part of the state, > > > mostly > > > > > around Pike and Fayette Co., AL. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Washington County, AL at the turn of the 19th century was of > > > > tremendous > > > > > size. Many people who look for folks in Washington Co, MS should > > really > > > > be > > > > > looking in Washington Co., AL - likewise with Monroe Co - but, it > was > > > > called > > > > > "Mississippi Territory" and that's what steers folks wrong. > > > > > > > > > > So, about MS - it appears from my families that about 1815 they > headed > > > out > > > > > of GA to MS - counties like DeSoto & Simpson & Copiah. My GRAVES > line > > > > came > > > > > with these folks - they were collaterals, but not nearly the BIG > > HITTERS > > > > the > > > > > other families where. This is the line of John W. GRAVES and Sarah > > > WARREN, > > > > > who folks think are from the James GRAVES and Mary COPELAND line who > > > > descend > > > > > from Capt. Thomas GRAVES. Martha M. GRAVES was my g+grandmother > > married > > > > > James DANIEL, Jr. If nothing else, I'm finding many of my other > direct > > > > lines > > > > > & possibly to connection to my Daniel Line. And, these folks were > > some > > > > very > > > > > flamboyant and colorful people, who had alot of wealth and were > > > political > > > > > leaders of whatever place they might settle. > > > > > > > > > > Anne - I'd made some notes today on your Daniel line - but, I can't > > find > > > > > them at the momemt. I've have to post them later. > > > > > > > > > > Take Care - Ruth in Portland, OR > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 5:01 AM > > > > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Kelso-Daniel of Greene County, GA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good Morning, > > > > > > There is a link between the KELSO-DANIEL bunch of Greene > County, > > > GA, > > > > > who > > > > > > we know are tied to the COFFEES and CUNNINGHAMS of PE County, VA > and > > > > > Greene > > > > > > County, GA, and Halifax County, NC. Margaret DANIEL (1750-1804), > > d/o > > > > > James > > > > > > DANIEL (ABT 17087-1763) and Jean KELSO (ABT 1720-AFT 1780) of PE > > > County, > > > > > VA > > > > > > married Francis COLEMAN (1744-1823) ABT 1767 and he was born in > > > Halifax > > > > > > County, NC. Francis COLEMAN died in Washington County, AL and I > do > > > not > > > > > know > > > > > > where Margaret DANIEL died. > > > > > > Francis was the son of Robert R. COLEMAN and Frances MATHIS of > > > > > Fairfield > > > > > > County, SC, formerly Halifax County, NC.. This may explain why > one > > of > > > > the > > > > > > CUNNINGHAM boys in this bunch supposed died in SC - they did not > > > migrate > > > > > > directly from PE County, VA to Greene County, GA but migrated > south > > > into > > > > > > Halifax County, NC, then Fairfield County, SC and finally to > Greene > > > > > County, > > > > > > GA. > > > > > > One name I saw in the list of who these COLEMAN kids married > > that > > > > may > > > > > be > > > > > > representative of the R. in Robert COLEMAN's name was ROE. I am > > just > > > > > > guessing on this one. This may also explain the links to a > Charles > > > > DANIEL > > > > > > of Fishing Creek Church in Halifax County, NC that we see in this > > > > family. > > > > > > This information is from a researcher of this COLEMAN family > and > > I > > > > > > cannot attest to its accuracy and is only provided as a guide. I > > also > > > > > > thought it interesting the original size of Washington County, AL > > when > > > > it > > > > > > was created in 1800, extended the full width and breadth of both > AL > > > and > > > > MS > > > > > > (about 300 miles) for about 90 miles, north-south from the FL line > > and > > > > now > > > > > > would include all of the counties across the southern area of both > > AL > > > > and > > > > > > MS. I do not know exactly in which county in AL (or even MS) that > > > > Francis > > > > > > COLEMAN was buried. > > > > > > > > > > > > <<< > > > > > > Children of Robert R. COLEMAN (ABt 1725-ABT 1795) and Frances > > MATHIS: > > > > > > i. Charles COLEMAN Marriage 1 Polly Mobley Death: 1788 in > Fairfield > > > > > County, > > > > > > South Carolina > > > > > > ii. William COLEMAN Marriage 1 Nancy BUTLER > > > > > > iii. Susanna COLEMAN Marriage 1 Christopher PRITCHETT > > > > > > iv. Stephen COLEMAN > > > > > > v. Sarah COLEMAN Marriage 1 William CHAPMAN > > > > > > vi. Mary COLEMAN Marriage 1 ? PARKER > > > > > > vii. Cloey COLEMAN Marriage 1 ? MOBLEY > > > > > > viii. Fanney COLEMAN Marriage 1 Isiah MOBLEY > > > > > > ix. Nancy COLEMAN Marriage 1 Isaiah MOBLEY b: ABT. 1754 > > > > > > x. Francis COLEMAN b: 16 AUG 1744 in Virginia Marriage 1 Margaret > > > > DANIEL > > > > > b: > > > > > > 29 DEC 1750 Death: 13 AUG 1823 in Washington County, Alabama > > > > > > xi. Thomas COLEMAN b: ABT. 1745 Marriage 1 Sarah ? > > > > > > xii. Robert COLEMAN b: ABT. 1747 Marriage 1 Elizabeth ROE b: 20 > FEB > > > > > 1748/49 > > > > > > Death: SEP 1809 in Northwest, Fairfield County, SC > > > > > > > > > > > > Children of Francis COLEMAN and Margaret DANIEL: > > > > > > i. Isaac COLEMAN b: 25 SEP 1768 Marriage 1 Nancy ? Death: 1841 > > > > > > ii. William COLEMAN b: 13 MAY 1770 Marriage 1 Nancy Dean LAWRENCE > > > Death: > > > > > > 1847 > > > > > > iii. Francis Jr. COLEMAN b: 8 JUN 1772 Marriage 1 Mary WOMACK > Death: > > > 10 > > > > > SEP > > > > > > 1835 in Butler County, Alabama > > > > > > iv. Margaret COLEMAN b: 6 JAN 1774 Marriage 1 Robert TILLMAN > > > Married: > > > > 5 > > > > > > MAY 1793 in Jefferson County, Georgia > > > > > > v. John COLEMAN b: 3 JAN 1776 > > > > > > vi. Benjamin COLEMAN b: 29 APR 1778 Death: 24 DEC 1816 > > > > > > vii. Frances Coleman b: 14 FEB 1781 Marriage 1 John WOMACK b: 25 > > DEC > > > > 1776 > > > > > > Death: in Plantersville, Grimes County, Texas > > > > > > viii. Abner COLEMAN b: 17 JAN 1783 Death: 10 APR 1787 > > > > > > ix. Elias COLEMAN b: 9 DEC 1784 Death: 9 OCT 1786 > > > > > > x. Vashti COLEMAN b: 19 DEC 1786 Marriage 1 John WILLIAMSON > > Marriage > > > 2 > > > > > > Matthew SHAW death Choctaw County, Alabama > > > > > > xi. Robert COLEMAN b: 9 MAR 1789 Death: 1 OCT 1789 > > > > > > xii. Daniel COLEMAN b: 5 SEP 1792 Marriage 1 Sarah Hawkins > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. Clarke > > > > > > Thomasville, GA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > > > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? 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