Robert, As you know, there is big difference in how a family spelled their names in family related legal documents and how clerks, census takers and other folks spelled their name. <grin> We even see spellings like, McDANIEL and McDONALD, used for the spelling of this O'DANIEL family in civil records, don't we? Unlike some who seem to put a lot of stock in how a certain family spelled their name or did not spell their name, most family names went through a rather complex metamorphosis and this would generally continue up until about the end of the 19th Century. I think the key to when a particular spelling went into general use by some families was when that family put down roots and were no longer moving all over the place. This is because the key source for the spelling of a family's name were all of those family tomb stones they usually saw each Sunday when they went to church, since their ancestors were usually buried in their church's cemetery or in family cemeteries on the "home place". Until this generational continuity begin to occur, the spelling of a family's name would often continue to evolve as they moved from hither to yon, especially if they were escaping creditors and maybe a rather dubious past. <grin> In the better educated and more affluent families, this was seldom was a problem because these families were usually very proud of their family's heritage, as well as the spelling of their family name. Also, since these families tended to put down roots much sooner, than less affluent and educated families, the exact spelling of their names was usually locked in much sooner. Since your family was generally better educated, they knew the difference between these various spellings and once they locked in to a particular spelling, they stuck with it, didn't they? Not to mention all of the local newspapers who generally printed their names in legal documents and newsworthy items, at a much higher incidence than less affluent and educated families. There is nothing like "reinforcement" to keep the spelling of a family's name on the straight and narrow. Also, if you want to make some families really mad, just misspell their name in a newspaper article. I am also sure this was the case, then, as well, as now. Other factors that contributed to the spelling of a family's name was -- the published spelling of the name of famous relatives or even the spelling of the name of famous people. Just put a person's name in a history book or newspaper and you will be surprised how many families adopt that spelling of their family name. There are countless members of the PEARCE and PEIRCE families who later spelled their name, PIERCE, strictly because of the often published spelling of the name of President Franklin PIERCE. LEE is another example, because I am quite sure more than a few LEA's and LEAH's later adopted the spelling, LEE, especially after the ride to glory of Gen. Robert E. LEE during the CW. KEY and KEA are other examples because everybody wanted to be related to Francis Scott KEY. <grin> I guess one could say, there is nothing like a little "vicarious glory" to lock in the spelling of a family's name. In fact, I guess that is why we are all beating the bushes trying to find out a little bit more about our ancestors, so we can have a little bit more of that "vicarious glory." <grin> If you want to see someone stop searching for information on their ancestors, just let them find out that one of their ancestors was hung as a horse thief, was a convicted felon or was of mixed race descent. However, if they should discover they "may be" related to some famous personage, their research takes on a who new impetus, no matter how nebulous the link may be. <grin> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Daniell" <rdaniell@surfbest.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Daniel SC & GA Newspaper items > John, > > In trying to keep the name change from O'DANIEL to DANIEL and DANIELL > straight, the following appears to be the true in the lines of William of > Stafford's three sons: > > The William O'DANIEL family of Kershaw uses the DANIEL spelling rather than > the LL. Only one document has surfaced with William's son, William III, b. > 1755, using the DANIELL spelling, that in 1802. In all others, when not > O'DANIEL, DANIEL prevails, as in William III's LW&T of 1828. > > The DANIELL spelling is used by James O'DANIEL, 1721-1798, and his > descendants. The last record found of James using O'DANIEL, is the deed of > sale August 16, 1757 of 100 acres of land in Fairfax Co., VA, inherited from > his father to Rev. Charles GREEN. This is the document that proves he is > the James DANIELL of SC because the document initially identifies the seller > as James O'DANIEL of the Province of South Carolina and shows the > acknowledgment of sale as by James DANIELL, in four places. Just to keep > things confusing though, records pertaining to James' line are also found > using the single L. > > The family line of the third brother, John O'DANIEL of Fairfax, VA uses > DANIEL. The LL spelling has not been found been found in his line. > > Hope this helps. > > Robert > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:32 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Daniel SC & GA Newspaper items > > > > Mike, > > Mine records are not, as relates to the SCREVENS. First, I do not > like > > the assignment of Dr. William Coffee DANIELL to Charles DANIEL and then > > Thomas and Sarah BURNEY of Greene County, GA. Something does not smell > > right, there. > > I have no disagreement with Dr. DANIEL being a son of Charles DANIEL > of > > Greene County, GA who died in 1800 or whenever but who he married and the > > money he had does not match up with the Thomas DANIEL and Sarah BURNEY > > bunch. It matches up much closer with the high stepping CUNNINGHAMS, than > > with the BURNEYS, especially since this CUNNINGHAM bunch was also all over > > the COFFEES. > > As relates to the SCREVENS. I too, had a problem getting them > straight. > > MAJ John SCREVEN, Jr. (1777-1830) married twice. Martha's mother was his > > first wife, I think, Hannah PROCTOR whom he married in 1797. He married, > > second, her sister, Sarah PROCTOR, in 1803. > > Martha's brother, Dr. James Proctor SCREVEN (1799-1859) was in > > partnership with Dr. DANIEL in Savannah. He married Hannah Georgia > BRYAN, > > d/o the Hon. Joseph BRYAN, Esq. of Savannah, later, Nonchalance > Plantation, > > Wilmington Island, Chatham County, GA. Her mother was Delia FOREMAN, born > > Maryland, died at their plantation on Wilmington Island, GA. Martha and > > James also had a sister, Amelia Sophia SCREVAN and I do not know who she > > married. > > I am pretty sure the PROCTORS were the same PROCTORS out of > Charleston, > > which is where MAJ SCREVEN was born. He was the son of Col. John SCREVEN, > > Sr. and Elizabeth PENDARVIS and grandson of James SCREVEN, Sr. and Mary > > Hyrne SMITH. Mary was the d/o Landgrave Thomas SMITH, Jr. and Mary HYRNE, > > all of Charleston. > > Get this, Elizabeth PENDARVIS (1755-1804) was the d/o Josiah PENDARVIS > > and Mary BEDON, d/o Richard BEDON and Martha FULLER of Charleston, SC. > Her > > brother, Josiah, married a STROBO. This PENDARVIS bunch in Charleston > gets > > a little convoluted because there are some name changes -- PENDARVIS to > > BEDON is one of them but the fact remains there are not only connections > in > > it to other Charleston families. > > One of the interesting PENDARVIS links is to the Ann PENDARVIS who > > married James O'DANIEL (1760-1826) of Kershaw County, SC, son of William > > O'DANIEL, Jr. and UNK of Kershaw County, SC, formerly of Fairfax County, > > VA. His brother, John O'DANIEL married a McINTOSH, another Charleston > family > > and the McINTOSH's of Charleston are also tied to the FLETCHERS of the > same > > location. We also know that DANIELS also tied to FLETCHERS, later. We > > also know this O'DANIEL family also used the DANIELL spelling. > > The primary reason I question the William Coffee DANIEL assignment > is > > because the links in this bunch point right back into the families of > > Charleston, as do my DANIEL bunch. I cannot tell you who his parents were > > but the links in his family point right back to Charleston, SC, even the > > double L spelling of his name. However, O'DANIEL is a real possibility > > because they, too, used the double L spelling of the DANIEL name. > > This may also be a "class marriage" and not a family marriage, I do > not > > know but what I do know is WCD was not the grandson of a itinerate Baptist > > preacher. Of that, I am pretty sure. His brother, Smith Coffee DANIEL > > also matches the same profile, as Dr. DANIEL. I am also pretty sure this > > was the same William DANIEL of Savannah who was in the GA Senate and > > appealed the death sentence imposed by Judge L. Q. C. LAMAR, Sr. of > > Milledgeville in 1831 on a Methodist minister, accused of killing his > wife's > > younger sister. > > These were not "po folks" and people who attended medical college of > any > > variety in the 1820's came from good families of more than moderate > wealth. > > I am also pretty sure they were on a equal financial footing with the > LAMARS > > of GA. After all, Judge LAMAR's son, L. Q. C. LAMAR, Jr. was an Associate > > Justice of the US Supreme Court. > > Justice LAMAR was educated at Oxford, the Methodist college in Newton > > County, GA and in 1850 my Professor Winfield M. RIVERS (1824-1905) of > James > > Island, SC, a graduate of Charleston College, was residing in the same > > household with Justice LAMAR's mother, Sarah Williamson Bird LAMAR, in > > Oxford, Newton County, GA. Professor RIVERS married my GGM, Mary Jane > > RENEAU (1830-1912), after the death of my GGF, Robert W. DANIEL, in 1865, > so > > there is a family attachment between my DANIEL or DANIELL family and these > > other families. Also, Mary Jane's uncle, Norris RENEAU, ran a fleet of > > privateers for the CSN out of Savannah during the CW, so I also have > > connections to Savannah in this bunch. > > Also, Dr. William Coffee DANIEL owned a plantation, named Oglethorpe, > in > > Burke County, GA and my DANIEL bunch was also from Burke County, GA, > > originally. A link between all of this bunch -- I do not know. > > > > John R. Clarke > > Thomasville, GA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Runforf471@aol.com> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:03 AM > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Daniel SC & GA Newspaper items > > > > > > > Augusta [GA] 7 September 1805 - "Died on Friday, the 30th ult., at her > > > father's the Rev. Thomas DANIEL, in Green County, Mrs. Mary FAUCHE...." > > > > > > If this was the Rev. Thomas DANIEL we have been discussing much of late, > > Mary > > > is a child of which I was unaware. I wonder if her husband was Jonas > > > FAUCHE, a soldier of much renown and an early political leader of Greene > > > Cty', GA. > > > > > > >From a Charleston, SC paper March 8, 1834: "Died in Savannah, Ga. on > the > > > 14th ult. Mrs. Martha DANIELL, daughter of the late Major John SCREVEN, > > and > > > wife of Dr. W.C. DANIELL of that place, aged 32 years." > > > > > > If Major John was Martha's Dad my files on that family are scrogged up. > > > > > > Believe this was in a GA newspaper: " Died 2nd May 1839 at the > residence > > of > > > her son-in-law T.W. WILLIAMS, Esq., Cokesbury, Mrs. Martha DANIEL in her > > > 77th year. She was born in VA and came to SC in 1814. Member of the > > > Presbyterian Church but her faith & beliefs were those of the Methodist > > Church. > > > signed W.D. WIGHTMA, Cokesbury May 31, 1839." > > > > > > Does anyone recognize this Martha? > > > > > > Mike Daniel > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > > > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > > > Mail Mode: > > > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > or- > > > Digest Mode: > > > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives > at: > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > >