Payne, Even in today's time frame, these naming conventions are still used by most families I am a John, son of a John and grandson of a John and this latter, John, was also a grandson of a John and this name in the family goes back to 1750. My wife's nephew is a Richard, grandson of a Richard (my father-in-law) who was also a grandson of a Richard, who was also a grandson of a Richard and this goes way back to Richard GROSVENOR.. My grandson is also a John, grandson of a John (me) and so on. His middle name is also Walker, a name of his great-grandfather, Walker GROSVENOR. My oldest daughter has the middle name, Jane, a female version of John. Our youngest daughter has the middle name, Elizabeth, my grandmother's name. My wife is a Gail, a grand niece of an Abigail. One of our grand daughters is named, Catherine, the name of my wife's 3rd GGM and great grand aunt. My uncle is an Andrew, son of an Andrew and he has a grandson named, Andrew. My uncle's son was named, Thomas, his grandfather's middle name, 1st SGT Robert Thomas ROBINSON of the 26th GA VIR and Tommy's middle name was Andrew, his father and grandfather's name. Another ROBINSON uncle was named, John Dame ROBINSON, "John" from the TOMLINSONS and DAME from the DAMES - my grandmother's family. His oldest son, my first cousin, was also of the same name. Another son of Uncle John was named, Joseph, and he was named for his uncle, a ROBINSON. My TOMLINSONS of Bulloch and Clinch County, GA beat the names, John and William TOMLINSON to death. My ROBINSONS of Wayne and Charlton County, GA used ever name in the book, they needed to since they had so many children but the names of their parents and grandparents were always included in the names of their children and these names in these families roll back to before 1750. Even the RENEAUS beat the name, Russell, to death. I am a 2nd GGS of Russell RENEAU, his son was named Russell RENEAU, my uncle was named, Russell, and my middle name is Russell. What more can I say on family names? For someone to tell me that Thomas DANIEL and Simon DANIEL were sons of an Owen DANIEL, but we never see the name, Owen, ever used again in this family; I am going to say rather quickly -- something is amiss, here. That, did not happen, especially in that time frame. As for Thomas DANIEL who married Elizabeth LANIER. Their oldest son, who was not named for a parent or grandparent, was named, John DANIEL. Where do you think that leads? The oldest name in Simon and Elizabeth's family that I cannot account for was William DANIEL and both he and Thomas had a son named William DANIEL. So, my guess is -- their father was named either William or John and they could well have been brothers and sons of John of IOW. Since we also know that John DANIEL of IOW County, VA was their common ancestor, at least according to most and it is supported in DNA evidence, I would go with one of these two possibilities (John or William DANIEL) as their parents and they were sons of John or IOW County, VA. I also think Simon and Thomas were probably first cousins and not brothers because they just do not roll into the same overall group of families although these families were reasonably "close," as one would suspect cousins to be, they were not close enough for them to be brothers, because they rolled into a slightly different set of families. The names, John and William DANIEL also flow in my bunch, so I suspect I descend probably from this overall DANIEL family. However, there are a few missing links that I have yet to uncover to make that assignment, especially that name, Chesley DANIEL. There are four male given names that flow in my bunch through several critical generations -- William, John, Robert and James and I think they are telling me who my DANIEL ancestors were. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] These are real interesting Duplin County, NC deeds > I never worried about Owens's name and a Owen O'Daniel from Duplin being the > name sake. Historically, Owen Daniel of Chowan Precinct, is Owen Daniel. He > is mentioned at the end of the Will of Ann Daniel in the following > statement: ("I find of record in the Virginia Land Registry, Book No. 8, > page 428, a grant of130 acres in the Counties of Isle of Wight and > "Nanzimond," Va., to Owen Daniell in 1695" > > So John, how does the Owen O'Daniel of Duplin have anything historically to > do with Owen Daniel of Chowan Precinct of Albemarle County, North Carolina? > > Payne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 9:12 AM > Subject: [DANIEL-L] These are real interesting Duplin County, NC deeds > > > > We have never been able to figure out where the name, Owen DANIEL, > > supposedly the father of Thomas DANIEL and Simon DANIEL, came from. This > > may be a clue... > > > > <<< > > Bk 1A p. 99 STEPHEN BARFIELD to WILLIAM O'DANIEL, both of Duplin Co., 7 > > July 1783, > > line belonging to a survey granted to JESSE BARFIELD by patent dated 1770. > > Wit: OWEN O'DANIEL, FREDERICK BARFIELD. Oct. Ct. 1784. > > > > Bk 1A p. 95 JONATHAN TAYLOR to BENJAMIN HERRING, both of Duplin Co.. 14 > > Oct 1783, patented by sd. TAYLOR 4 May 1769. > > Wit: WILLIAM O'DANIEL, CHARITY HERRING. Oct.ct. 1784. > > > > Bk 4A p. 167 BENJAMIN HERRING SR. to his son BENJAMIN HERRING JR., 2 Nov > > 1808, for "natural love & affection" 229A in 2 pieces to wit: (1) 227A on > > the West of Herring Branch, beg. at a gum & joining CREECH; (2) 2A joining > > the lower corner of the afsd. land on the ES of sd, branch, the 2A for > > privilege for a mill. > > Wit: ALEX O'DANIEL, BENJN. ( X) CREECH. Jan. Ct. 1810. > > > > Bk 4A p. 408 WILLIAM GLISSON to JOHN BLIZARD, both of Duplin Co., 17 Sep > > 1812. > > Wit: HENRY GRADY, ALEX. O'DANIEL. Oct. Ct. 1812. > > > > Bk 4A p. 409 STEPHEN GUFFORD to JOHN BLIZARD. both of Duplin Co., 3 Mar > > 1810, for > > 172 pds. 10 shill. 120A on the NS of Goshen Swamp, being part of 3 > patents, > > patented > > by JACOB LAWHAUN, WILLIAM GODWIN & JACOB GLISSON, beg. at a water oak > > ALEXANDER O'DANIEL'S corner near the corner of BLIZARD'S field, to a black > > jack not far from STEPHEN GUFFORD'S house & adj. LEWIS GLISSON & GEORGE > F. > > KORNEGAY. > > Wit: WILLIAM KORNEGAY, AL. O'DANIEL. Oct. Ct. 1812. > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > John R. Clarke > > Thomasville, GA > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives > at: > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net >

Ask and it shall be given unto yee, in full measure. So many ifs, maybes and I guess's in the mix. As for me, I will stick to the established version of this family until documentation to the contrary surfaces. Thanks for your time and comments, John. BTW, can you give me the 1, 2, 3 line up for the family of Beverley Anthony Allen as my stuff is fragmented. Regards on this nice Monday morning. Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] These are real interesting Duplin County, NC deeds > Payne, > Even in today's time frame, these naming conventions are still used by > most families I am a John, son of a John and grandson of a John and this > latter, John, was also a grandson of a John and this name in the family goes > back to 1750. My wife's nephew is a Richard, grandson of a Richard (my > father-in-law) who was also a grandson of a Richard, who was also a grandson > of a Richard and this goes way back to Richard GROSVENOR.. > My grandson is also a John, grandson of a John (me) and so on. His > middle name is also Walker, a name of his great-grandfather, Walker > GROSVENOR. My oldest daughter has the middle name, Jane, a female version > of John. Our youngest daughter has the middle name, Elizabeth, my > grandmother's name. My wife is a Gail, a grand niece of an Abigail. One of > our grand daughters is named, Catherine, the name of my wife's 3rd GGM and > great grand aunt. > My uncle is an Andrew, son of an Andrew and he has a grandson named, > Andrew. My uncle's son was named, Thomas, his grandfather's middle name, > 1st SGT Robert Thomas ROBINSON of the 26th GA VIR and Tommy's middle name > was Andrew, his father and grandfather's name. > Another ROBINSON uncle was named, John Dame ROBINSON, "John" from the > TOMLINSONS and DAME from the DAMES - my grandmother's family. His oldest > son, my first cousin, was also of the same name. Another son of Uncle John > was named, Joseph, and he was named for his uncle, a ROBINSON. > My TOMLINSONS of Bulloch and Clinch County, GA beat the names, John and > William TOMLINSON to death. My ROBINSONS of Wayne and Charlton County, GA > used ever name in the book, they needed to since they had so many children > but the names of their parents and grandparents were always included in the > names of their children and these names in these families roll back to > before 1750. > Even the RENEAUS beat the name, Russell, to death. I am a 2nd GGS of > Russell RENEAU, his son was named Russell RENEAU, my uncle was named, > Russell, and my middle name is Russell. What more can I say on family > names? > For someone to tell me that Thomas DANIEL and Simon DANIEL were sons of > an Owen DANIEL, but we never see the name, Owen, ever used again in this > family; I am going to say rather quickly -- something is amiss, here. That, > did not happen, especially in that time frame. > As for Thomas DANIEL who married Elizabeth LANIER. Their oldest son, > who was not named for a parent or grandparent, was named, John DANIEL. > Where do you think that leads? The oldest name in Simon and Elizabeth's > family that I cannot account for was William DANIEL and both he and Thomas > had a son named William DANIEL. So, my guess is -- their father was named > either William or John and they could well have been brothers and sons of > John of IOW. > Since we also know that John DANIEL of IOW County, VA was their common > ancestor, at least according to most and it is supported in DNA evidence, I > would go with one of these two possibilities (John or William DANIEL) as > their parents and they were sons of John or IOW County, VA. I also think > Simon and Thomas were probably first cousins and not brothers because they > just do not roll into the same overall group of families although these > families were reasonably "close," as one would suspect cousins to be, they > were not close enough for them to be brothers, because they rolled into a > slightly different set of families. > The names, John and William DANIEL also flow in my bunch, so I suspect I > descend probably from this overall DANIEL family. However, there are a few > missing links that I have yet to uncover to make that assignment, especially > that name, Chesley DANIEL. > There are four male given names that flow in my bunch through several > critical generations -- William, John, Robert and James and I think they are > telling me who my DANIEL ancestors were. > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 10:48 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] These are real interesting Duplin County, NC deeds > > > > I never worried about Owens's name and a Owen O'Daniel from Duplin being > the > > name sake. Historically, Owen Daniel of Chowan Precinct, is Owen Daniel. > He > > is mentioned at the end of the Will of Ann Daniel in the following > > statement: ("I find of record in the Virginia Land Registry, Book No. 8, > > page 428, a grant of130 acres in the Counties of Isle of Wight and > > "Nanzimond," Va., to Owen Daniell in 1695" > > > > So John, how does the Owen O'Daniel of Duplin have anything historically > to > > do with Owen Daniel of Chowan Precinct of Albemarle County, North > Carolina? > > > > Payne > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 9:12 AM > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] These are real interesting Duplin County, NC deeds > > > > > > > We have never been able to figure out where the name, Owen DANIEL, > > > supposedly the father of Thomas DANIEL and Simon DANIEL, came from. > This > > > may be a clue... > > > > > > <<< > > > Bk 1A p. 99 STEPHEN BARFIELD to WILLIAM O'DANIEL, both of Duplin Co., 7 > > > July 1783, > > > line belonging to a survey granted to JESSE BARFIELD by patent dated > 1770. > > > Wit: OWEN O'DANIEL, FREDERICK BARFIELD. Oct. Ct. 1784. > > > > > > Bk 1A p. 95 JONATHAN TAYLOR to BENJAMIN HERRING, both of Duplin Co.. > 14 > > > Oct 1783, patented by sd. TAYLOR 4 May 1769. > > > Wit: WILLIAM O'DANIEL, CHARITY HERRING. Oct.ct. 1784. > > > > > > Bk 4A p. 167 BENJAMIN HERRING SR. to his son BENJAMIN HERRING JR., 2 > Nov > > > 1808, for "natural love & affection" 229A in 2 pieces to wit: (1) 227A > on > > > the West of Herring Branch, beg. at a gum & joining CREECH; (2) 2A > joining > > > the lower corner of the afsd. land on the ES of sd, branch, the 2A for > > > privilege for a mill. > > > Wit: ALEX O'DANIEL, BENJN. ( X) CREECH. Jan. Ct. 1810. > > > > > > Bk 4A p. 408 WILLIAM GLISSON to JOHN BLIZARD, both of Duplin Co., 17 > Sep > > > 1812. > > > Wit: HENRY GRADY, ALEX. O'DANIEL. Oct. Ct. 1812. > > > > > > Bk 4A p. 409 STEPHEN GUFFORD to JOHN BLIZARD. both of Duplin Co., 3 Mar > > > 1810, for > > > 172 pds. 10 shill. 120A on the NS of Goshen Swamp, being part of 3 > > patents, > > > patented > > > by JACOB LAWHAUN, WILLIAM GODWIN & JACOB GLISSON, beg. at a water oak > > > ALEXANDER O'DANIEL'S corner near the corner of BLIZARD'S field, to a > black > > > jack not far from STEPHEN GUFFORD'S house & adj. LEWIS GLISSON & GEORGE > > F. > > > KORNEGAY. > > > Wit: WILLIAM KORNEGAY, AL. O'DANIEL. Oct. Ct. 1812. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > John R. Clarke > > > Thomasville, GA > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives > > at: > > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to > change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to > contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > >