In a message dated 4/16/2006 10:48:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: These families are from Isle of Wight Co, VA. Note the following will Audrey, Thank you very much for you reply. I believe you are correct with the Wests. Israel West, brother of Elizabeth, spouse of James Daniel mentions in his 1787 Halifax will "my 50 acres in Isle of Wight, Va." However, James Daniel seems to be most of his life among Brunswick and Dinwiddie folks. There is also a school of thought that he may be related to the Edmund Daniel folks. A lot is still pending on James. Mike

Hi Mike, I see the record of James DANIEL with son, West DANIEL, 1789, Halifax Co, NC refering to land in Nash Co, NC. So, can we assume he is part of this NC county's families? Edmund DANIEL is sure in Halfax records, but don't see a connection to James. However, I do see a James with Peter and John DANIEL. Peter seems to be one of the VA known DANIEL families. Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] an interesting edgecombe deed > In a message dated 4/16/2006 10:48:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > These families are from Isle of Wight Co, VA. Note the following will > > Audrey, > > Thank you very much for you reply. I believe you are correct with the > Wests. Israel West, brother of Elizabeth, spouse of James Daniel mentions > in his > 1787 Halifax will "my 50 acres in Isle of Wight, Va." However, James > Daniel > seems to be most of his life among Brunswick and Dinwiddie folks. There > is > also a school of thought that he may be related to the Edmund Daniel > folks. A > lot is still pending on James. > > > Mike > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives > at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > >

Mike, I see Israel WEST'S will in Halifax County, 1789, but also see this name, Israel WEST in Edgecombe Co, NC as the son in law of West COFFIELD. And...COFFIELD names a daughter Priscilla WEST WEST...thought this might be an typo error, but she is named again as a witness as Priscilla WEST WEST. Cousins marrying cousins...again? I've done some work on DANIELS of Brunswick, but Dinwiddie County doesn't seem to publish much; maybe not enough records to do so...? I have the Halfax will book, but two deed books as well. Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] an interesting edgecombe deed > In a message dated 4/16/2006 10:48:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > These families are from Isle of Wight Co, VA. Note the following will > > Audrey, > > Thank you very much for you reply. I believe you are correct with the > Wests. Israel West, brother of Elizabeth, spouse of James Daniel mentions > in his > 1787 Halifax will "my 50 acres in Isle of Wight, Va." However, James > Daniel > seems to be most of his life among Brunswick and Dinwiddie folks. There > is > also a school of thought that he may be related to the Edmund Daniel > folks. A > lot is still pending on James. > > > Mike > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives > at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > >

Hi all, (Mike, this is late follow-up to an old topic), I finally got back to working on my notions about James Daniel (d.1789) and Elizabeth West. When I first thought I was "seeing" the possibility of relating the James Daniel who married Elizabeth West to the Edmund gang, I had his probable time of marriage off, but I'm still iffy on that because I don't have enough later records to establish it fully. The later records that put him with the Peter gang are compelling, but at the time I was also looking to make sure his location at time of marriage made sense, i.e. where were Israel West and his sister Elizabeth, did James go to them, was he already there, etc. I had James and Elizabeth marrying later (mid to late 1770s) when Israel West had already started unloading his father's property on Stoney Creek, had moved up to Halifax and was _very_ tied to the Edmund gang on Beaverdam at the time. But with a bit more later stuff I realize James' marriage was ?earlier? than I had thought and it probably puts him back with the Peter group - but I can still say a "maybe" with that, it depends on when he married and on if the William Daniel of Stoney Creek is part of the Peter gang or not. But yeah, my Edmund thoughts are pretty trashed now. This is going to be my worst ever post of thoughts, I just can't get a hold of what I'm thinking (good sign whatever it is is wrong, eh?). And just personal background, I am so hypersensitive to, not just the possibility, but the probability that there are always more than one of the same name in any given location (the story of my life), so you have to watch out for me seeing triple when it might not be so and fix me on it (think Cool Hand Luke, "Have you got your mind right, Pam?"). But there's definite record evidence of two James Daniel running around in 1770, I just don't see much further identifying or separating them. And there's a William Daniel down in the nearly correct Nash area as early as 1740 before the Brunswick folk came down (and I don't think he's part of the Simon gang either). A big chunk of everything rests on the details of the 20 Jan 1793 sale by West, Ephraim, and Patsy Daniel to James Judge. All I've seen so far is that it took place and it's in book 17, possibly page 500, county isn't named. Please, does anybody have a fuller citation of it, particularly some bit of description of the acreage or location? There's only one "loose" piece of land that I can find that belonged to a James Daniel in 1789 (besides the 200a he gave to son West), he had unloaded all the others. What's left is the 266a on the S side of the Sapony, is that the land the heirs sold in 1793 or not? And are they the only children of James and Elizabeth? And the last thoughts, but I'm not going to try to state it all here, the 1771-1772 deeds that put James Daniel in Edgecombe/Nash with father-in-law William West around the time of his marriage(?) could be related to the earlier William Daniel of Stoney Creek in Nash, and I can't feel too positive that that's the same as the Brunswick William and Peter gang, not when William and Sarah are in Halifax at the same time (early 1760s). Or possibly what I'm doing here is being stubborn and saying that I don't think the Brunswick William first or also went south to the Nash area and then back up to the Halifax area, call me on it if that's what's happening! Anyway, below is the James Daniel data I'm looking at, chronological, entry followed by [further location of land mentioned even if not Daniel land, questions, comments]. 1770 shows there's two James, and the various land acquisitions are a little strange, not enough acreage to suggest he's just speculating, but what then? And is there any indication of why he went to Halifax not long before he died and where was he living there? I have to watch myself, I can make a case that almost any of these guys is a whole separate James Daniel! Here's my other news, I published a page of my Daniel records of Edgecombe/Halifax/Nash/Wilson and a bit of the applicable Granville/Warren counties with a map to help locate the lands (oh, the map passion I inherited from my Daddy). It's at: http://www.pamiller.net/genealogy/docs/danieledgehalifnashwilson/index.htm Another big please - does anybody know where Jarrells Swamp was in Halifax, or the Gum Swamp (it wasn't a generic gum swamp) that was in the Beaverdam area? They just aren't showing up anywhere! Regards, Pam in CA Hal DB9-197 John (x) Pope and wf Sarah (x) of Hal to Thomas Nicholson of Edgec 1 Apr 1765, £90, 200a pat to sd Pope 17 Jun 1741, on N sd Fishing Ck, jng Pope's Branch. wit Davis Connell, David Nicholson, James Daniel. recd Apr 1765. [From my unlocatable leftovers on N sd Fishing Ck. Other Nicholsons are on Jarrell Sw, Rockey Sw E sd, and S sd Fishing. Other Popes are on Gum Sw, Burnt Coat. Other Connells are on Rockey Sw S sd, BUT a Davis Coniel is on Sandy/Swift in 1761 w/Wm Daniel, i.e. in Nash or Edgecombe] Hal DB9-326 Robert Duglass and wf Ollive to Benajah Saxon 24 Jun 1765, £14.3, 150a which Robert Duglass acq fr his bro Thomas Duglass, on S sd Jackett Sw, jng John Burns, William Dugless. sig Robert Dugliss, Olive (x) Duglass. wit James Daniel, Thomas Dugless, Michall (x) Wallis. recd Jul 1766. [Jacket Sw S sd] Edg Ct p.222 James Daniel bridge built over Fishing Ck at Culpeper's in 1766, paid in May 1769, see below. [Fishing Ck. See later for more.] Hal DB9-426 Thos (x) Tucker and wf Ann (x) planter of Hal to James Daniel same 7 Jan 1767, £42, 150a acq by Francis Drake 15 Nov 1756, jng Jacket Sw, Turkey Branch. wit John Brown, John Daniel Jr. recd Jan 1767. [Jacket Sw, Turkey Br] [Sold by James and Elizabeth in 1770 to Peter Daniel.] Edg Ct p.222 May 1769 Ordered that Sheriff pay James Daniel £29.5.7 which appears to be the proportion of this county for a Bridge over Fishing Creek at Culpeppers built by the said James Daniel in the year 1766 & that sd sheriff ["pay" is crossed out] be allowed the same in his accts. etc. [Fishing Ck. There's a Culpeper's road at Burnt Coat 1775 and 1819, i.e. not close to Fishing Ck or Jacket Swamp, BUT there is a Culpeppers Bridge today at Fishing Creek dead south of Jack Horse Swamp off of Rockey Swamp] [Does this sound enough like Edgecombe was paying a Halifax James for their part of the bridge? At first I was wondering could this James likely be residing in Edgecombe already and not in Halifax, especially since the known James of Halifax was so far from any possible bridge.] Edg Ct p.255 Feb 1770 $ to James Daniel for fishing Creek Bridge £29.5.7 [Fishing] Hal DB11-162 James Daniel and wf Elizabeth to Peter Daniel 9 Mar 1770, £100, 150a which Francis Drake had acq 15 Nov 1756, jng Jacket Swamp, Turkey Branch. wit John Daniel Jr, David Daniel. recd Aug 1770. [Jacket Sw, Turkey Br] [Ok, does this James really seem to leave the area and go south for the next 16 years and then come back to Halifax before he dies? My biggest problem is I thought James and Elizabeth West married NOT before the early 1770s, son West sells land independently in 1793 so born probably by 1772, just clutching here.] Hal DB11-238 Bverly Brown of Brunwick [sic] VA to William Brown of Pr Geo VA 21 Sep 1770, £30, 313a jng Rocky Sw, Thos Williams. wit Robt Saunders, Jas Daniel Jr, Richd Brown. recd Nov 1770. [Rocky Sw] [***So there should be another older James, related or not, in the area active enough that distinction needed to be made.] Edg DB2-25 Joseph (x) Strickland and wf Francies [sic] of Edg to Thomas Hunter same 5 Oct 1771, £90, 200a pat by William West, on Stony Ck, jng Lasetors Branch, Thomas Brown, sd West. wit Edward Gandy, Wm Whittenton, James Daniel. recd Nov 1772. [Stony Ck=Nash] [This is a critical one, here's a James Daniel tied to the father-in-law William West. I'm not sure that it just has to be the same one who sold the land in Halifax in 1770? But I guess the lack of further Halifax records for a James until 1786 may makes the case.] Edg DB2-1 Jesse (x) Hunt of Edgc to David Daniel of Hal 19 Nov 1772, £23, 100a which was part of grt to William Brassell 24 Jul 1761, jng Young, Lake. wit Thomas Hunter, Wm Horn, James Daniel. recd Nov 1772. [Pigbasket=Nash] [Yeah, this is helping put James with the Peter gang for sure.] Edg DB2-157 Joseph (x) Strickling of Edgc to Thomas Hunter of same 23 Nov 1772, £2.10, 1a [one] on S sd Stoney Ck jng sd Thomas Hunter's mill. wit Shadrach Rutland, John Deavenport, James Thomas, Jas Daniel. recd Oct 1774. [Stoney Ck S sd=Nash] Edg Ct p.376 Feb 1773 James Daniel appt overseer of road in the room of Richard Vick [Stoney Ck=Nash] Edg Ct p.422 Oct 1774 Richard Vick appt overseer of road in the room of James Daniel [Stoney Ck=Nash] Edg DB3-1 William (x) Hendrick of Edg to James Daniel same 3 Feb 1775, £67, 266a part of Granv grt to sd William Hendrick 10 Aug 1762, on S sd Sappony Sw, jng Sappony Branch, Batchelor, Great Meadow. wit William Boddie, Nathan Boddie, Abraham Bass. recd Apr 1775. [Sapony S sd=Nash] [Critical. No disposition, is this the land where he actually resided, is it the land the heirs of James (d.1789) and Elizabeth sold later?] Edg DB3-26 Israel West of Hal to Richard Vick same 18 Feb 1775, £183.6.8, 200a part of pat to William West 20 Apr 1745, on S sd Stony Ck, jng Sampson Pope. wit William West, James Daniel, Thomas Hunter. recd Apr 1775. [Stoney Ck S sd=Nash] [Israel then goes up to Halifax, settles on Beaverdam/Rocky, sells the last of this inherited land in Nash in 1784.] Nash DB A29 Micajah Thomas of Nash to James Daniel of same 11 Apr 1777, £170, 422a on N sd Pigbasket Ck or Braswell's Ck, it being a tract grtd to Robert Young by Erle of Granv 8 Nov 1755, conv by sd Young to Jacob Whitehead 13 Jun 1764, beg at a Red Oak on S sd of pigbasket Ck, runing thence N 252p to a pine, thence W 268p to a white oak, thence S 252p to a Red Oak, thence E 268p to the ck thence along the ck to first station. wit Wilson Vick, Wm Avent. recd Jul 1778 [Pigbasket N sd] [Sold in two parts shown later: 1779 to Frederick Daniel, 1786 to John Barrott. I'd sure feel better if a wife signed on those coming deeds. Unless Frederick can be identified better, is there at least some bizarre chance that this is a different James Daniel? Yeah, David Daniel is a witness later for this land, but is there any chance there are two David Daniels, one helps prove the Peter connection, the other doesn't but confuses the issue? And the usual question, am I really going to push send after writing this?] Nash WB1-6 William Braswell Jr wr 30 Nov 1778 pr Jan 1779. wf Martha. Sons: 1 Robin 740a on N sd Little Ck; 2 Dempsey 710a on S sd Little Ck when they come of age. Daus: 1 Juday Hunt; 2 Lucrecy Williams; 3 Priscilla Exum; 4 Rhoda Powell; 5 Mourning Braswell. Grson Alexander Hunt. Grdau Nancy Hunt. Son-in-law Thomas Beckwith. exr William Williams, Joseph Exum, Jesse Powell. wit Wilson Vick, James Daniel, William Braswell. [Little Ck is WAY south in Nash, I can't find one closer to Pigbasket. I don't have all the Braswell stuff, but this is weird as far as the land.] Nash DB A-97 James Daniel of Nash to Frederick Daniel of Nash, 3 Mar 1779, 140a on N sd of Pigbasket Ck or Braswell's Ck, part of tract grtd to Robert Young 1 Jun 1764, beg at a White oak then S 252p to a red oak, thence E 90p to a Water oak, thence N 252p to a red oak in James Daniel's back line, thence along sd Daniel's line W 90p to the first station. wit Howell Flewellen, David (x) Daniel. recd Jul 1779. [Pigbasket N sd, part of the 422a in Nash DB A29. So I guess the David Daniel could be the final evidence.] Nash DB5-59 Jacob Dickingson of Edgec to Jesse Thomas of Nash 2 Jul 1782, £20, 200a Nash beg Jesse Thomas' corner tree a Red Oak, fr thence S to Jacob Dickinson's corner Red Oak, thence S to the Publick (road, Rackley's addition), thence W along sd Road to Micajah Thomas' line upon the Meadow Branch, then down sd Branch to Micajah Thomas' other line, thence E to Jesse Thomas & along sd line to first station. wit James Daniel, Richard Thomas. recd Aug 1788. After clerk's info: "This is a true copy from record [Book F, page 74]. L'd F. Ellen." [Pigbasket] Nash DB B45 Israel West of Hal to Thomas Hunter of Nash 18 Jun 1784, £70, part of a tract of land on N sd Stoney Ck, which sd land fell to the sd Israel West by the death of his Farther [sic], there being 150a, beg at a White oak on the Creek Bank near the mouth of Laseter Branch runing a N Course to a corner in a line formerly called David Strickling's line, thence along a back line of marked trees to Thomas Willis' corner near Jesse Hunt, then along a line of marked trees S to a hickory in Willis' Branch, then down the sd branch to the low ground, thence a direct course to the run of sd Creek, then down the various courses of sd Creek to beg. wit James Daniel, Howell Ellen, Richard (x) Thomas. recd Feb 1785. [Stoney Ck N sd] NC Census 1786/87 Halifax "Distr No. 2, Taken by Francis Jones, Febry. 11, 1786." p.2 Lewis Daniel 1-1-5-2-5, p. 3 Sterling Daniel 1-1-4-0-0 skip 5 William Daniel 2-4-3-4-5 [by all rights this district should include Darling Swamp and probably some Burnt Coat] Halifax "District No. 3; taken by Lemuell Hogun 1st Febry. 1786." p. 3 Jacob O. Daniel 0-6-6-0=0 [this could/should include Cowhaul Sw] Halifax "District 10; taken by Samuel Crowell 22nd May 178-"p.1 Joseph Daniell 1-4--4-1-0, p.2 Sion Daniell 1-0-1-2-0 next Peter Daniell 1-4-3-1, Ambrose Daniell 1-5-3-0-0 [should include Burnt Coat Sw] Halifax "District 12; taken by Thomas Harvey 12 February 1786." p.3 Jas. Daniel (No return), next to Williams, Alston [this could/should be Burnt Coat Sw, but could include Gum Sw/Beaverdam Sw] [This tax list was taken Feb 1786, but James "of Nash" is still selling in Nash in May of 1786 and still buying in 1787 as well. Absolutely common, but I'm still wondering (or looking to make the rules of thumb about this kind of thing bend backward). That there was "no return" can mean any of the various reasons to help any theory about same or different James Daniels existing, shoot.] Nash DB E46 James Daniel of Nash to John Barrott of Southampton VA 2 May 1786, £150, 282a on N sd Pigbasket Ck or braswell's Ck, it being a tract grtd Robert Young by Granv 8 Nov 1755, beg at a red oak on S sd of Pigbasket Ck runing thence N 252p to a pine, thence W along a line of marked trees to a Willow Oak a corner made and agreed on betw sd James Daniel, Frederick Daniel, thence S along a line of marked trees to a black Jack in the old line. wit Howell Ellen, Nathan (x) Barrott, Jno Williams. recd May 1787. [Pigbasket N sd, this is the last of the 422a from Nash DB A29.] Nash DB F24 Micajah Thomas of Nash to Julian King of same 18 Jul 1787, £200, 300a beg at a hickory on the S sd Pigbasket Ck, then Thomas Whitfield's line, thence N 150p to a pine in Robert Young's line now James Daniel's, thence by sd line W 94p to his corner red oak, thence by his other line N 40p to a pine, thence S 40W 180p the beaverdam a small branch at or near the bank of Pigbasket Ck [sic on first part, needs a "to"?], thence down the courses of the sd Ck to the mouth of the bull meadow branch, then up the courses of sd branch to the head, fr thence a direct course to a corner pine, fr thence S to a lightwood stump and post oak, fr thence to the first station. wit Rhody Ricks, Jacob (x) Butts. recd Feb 1788. [Pigbasket N sd, starts on S sd of Pigbasket but goes N-W-N-SW back to Pigbasket.] Nash DB E55 James Cain of Nash to James Daniel of same 13 Nov 1787, £43, 200a on waters of Tosnot, beg at a black oak Lazarus Strickland's corner and runs E 180p to a red oak, thence N 178p to a pine on Johnson's Branch, thence up the branch W 180p to a Red Oak in Strickland's line, thence along his line S to beg. wit Wilson Vick, Julian King. Nov 1787. [James Daniel's Halifax will of 1789 wills this land to his son West Daniel. James' Halifax will is next and West Daniel's sale of the 200a is below (4-208).] [I locate this provisionally near Pigbasket because of the strong Julian King and Wilson Vick connections and because their deeds there refer to land owned by James Daniel, but it may belong in one of the strictly Toisnot sections further south?] Hal WB 3-173 James Daniel will wr 9 Apr 1789, pr Aug 1789. son West Daniel 200a in Nash Co on Tosneot. dau Patsey Daniel 1 negro etc. wf Elizabeth Daniel negroes and residue of est to raise my chn. exrs wf and William West and Howell Ellen. wit Thomas Cavenah, Mathew Gilbirt, Edward Cavenah. 1790 census West and Elizabeth Daniel in Halifax, Buckner Daniel in same sub-list. Also in section are the sons of William Flewellen, Abner, Taylor, Richard. William Flewellen was everywhere but his maybe last land purchases were on Burnt Coat, so they may be there, this would be a final nail in attaching them to the Peter gang. Nash DB4-208 West Daniel of Hal to Isaac Kirk of same 16 Apr 1793, £100, 200a on waters of Tosnot, beg at a Black Oak Lazarous Strickland's corner and runs E 180p to a Red Oak thence N 178p to a pine on Johnston's Branch, then up the Branch W 180p to a Red Oak in Strickland's line, thence along his line S to beg. wit Saml Smith, Allen Daniel. recd May 1793. [I'm using this to say he's at least of the age of discretion, more likely of age.] This next is online unsourced info, county wasn't given, WHAT IS THE DESCRIPTION OF THIS LAND????: "deed bk 17 1076-(500) West Daniel, Ephraim Daniel, Patsy Daniel of Halifax to James Judge of same. 20 Jan 1793. 500 pounds. The land below the grantors held by the will of Isreal West to the children of Elizabeth Daniel "at the marriage and death of his wife Pricilla West."...... signed by West, Ephraim and Patsey, witnessed by Elizabeth Daniel." Nash DB6-126 Frederick Daniel of Nash to Julian King of same 9 Feb 1796, £75, 140a on N sd Pig Basket Ck adj James Daniel's former line, it being part of a tract grtd to Robert Young by Earl Granv 8 Nov 1755 and conv by dd to Jacob Whitehead 1 Jun 1764. wit James Williams, Wm Boddie [Pigbasket N sd] Nash DB6-464 Julian King of Nash to Howell F. Ellin of same [?day?] Feb 1800, $300, 140a on N sd Pig Basket Ck adj James Daniel's former line, it being part of a tract grtd to Robert Young by Earl Granv 8 Nov 1755, conv by sd Young to Jacob Whitehead's line (?) 1 Jun 1764, and conv by Frederick Daniel to Julian King. wit Arch'd Griffin, John Barrett. [Pigbasket N sd] I'm ignoring the 1812 James Daniel record who is part of the Josiah estate of Toisnot S side. [email protected] wrote: > In a message dated 4/16/2006 10:48:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > These families are from Isle of Wight Co, VA. Note the following will > > Audrey, > > Thank you very much for you reply. I believe you are correct with the > Wests. Israel West, brother of Elizabeth, spouse of James Daniel mentions in his > 1787 Halifax will "my 50 acres in Isle of Wight, Va." However, James Daniel > seems to be most of his life among Brunswick and Dinwiddie folks. There is > also a school of thought that he may be related to the Edmund Daniel folks. A > lot is still pending on James. > > > Mike