Hi all, especially Charlie, Here come some thoughts about your Martin Daniel in Mecklenburg. Most of this is just me developing research questions and what steps I would want to take to keep researching the line and so on. 1. Larry Royall's work shows tons of living Daniel descendants from your line, you should stalk some of them down and get some DNA tests! 2. About ordering the chancery files from LVA - I love LVA and get stuff from them a lot, but that $50 is steep when you can get the Meck chancery files at your nearby FHCs for only $6+ a film. For that price, you can also get the fuller probate loose estate records (that's the real ticket where some answers will lie) and the tax records, and keep going on with the land records. 3. Just can't go any further without gurgling in glee at that exquisite land proof on your Martin. It almost makes me wish for some doubt or confusion about the 3 Martins in Meck, just so it could shine even more. Anyway, I'm talking about old Martin buying the 100a + the 90a, then son Martin and wf Avy selling 20a of it, then son Martin mortgaging and later Martin and Avy selling the remaining 176a, all with those beautiful matching bound names, etc. It's just a gorgeous example of quiet title and the power of land records in proving relationships. 4. Unless it came from his wife's family, it is father Martin's other 126a, not accounted for in the early land records that Martin Sr. willed to Martin Jr. in 1811, that could be your key to pushing back on this line. It doesn't seem to show up as having been purchased (or as part of a purchase) in parent county Lunenburg before Mecklenburg was formed. I found a couple false starts in the VA land grants that I really hoped for but they seem to bomb out. You may find hints in the estate papers or in later land deeds when the heirs deal with it, i.e. when Avy died. 5. Just my opinion so far, but I just don't see much if any record support for your Martin being related to the William and Thomas over west. Martin is taxed in the eastern district in 1782, 1790, 1799, and 1800, the others are in the central and were there much earlier (William is in the early Lunenburg tax lists in the Mecklenburg section in 1764, assuming it's the same William or a parent). There's just no interplay between these groups (at least in the records I've done and seen so far, still need fuller probate and court records. The crossover Stark name is vexing, I've come to wonder if it's just an unfortunate cosmic genealogical joke. I know when I first looked at these groups ages ago, I just automatically said, "Stark, they must come from the Prince George/Dinwiddie Starke and Daniel families." While all that is much earlier on, it leads to a possibility of Martin being part of that Daniel family that was moving west across Brunswick and later who spilled over a touch into Lunenburg/Mecklenburg. 6. Back to the 126a: getting a better location on them would be so helpful, and it could prove my #5 wrong: if the tax records show that Martin didn't get the 126a until after the 190a it would suggest he's made a west to east move and could be coming from that other group. It's true the 190a are in the more central section (Buffalo Creek), but my gut feeling is that they are extra acreage, and that his home was always the 126a in the east, but I'm not standing strong on that. 7. I'm working on one of my possibly off the wall theories (who am I kidding, there's probably some record out there to shoot this right off the tree, hopefully somebody will post it quickly and end my lunacy): If the 126a can be shown to be _seriously_ on the Brunswick border (and it is at least eligible based on the tax district he's in), there's a way to view and massage the Brunswick records to suggest it could be 1/2 of the remaining lands of Hugh Daniel of Poplar Creek, Brunswick, i.e. land that didn't go to Marmaduke but just isn't transferred on record. It rests on Hugh being located on Poplar Creek proper as his grant and deeds say, not further east on Little Poplar Creek based on his earlier Rattlesnake Chapel connections (and he could certainly still have had those connections but be further west on Poplar Creek proper). So far I'm finding the neighboring grants fit this theory. I know this is goofy in so many ways: it means the Lunenburg/Brunswick border possibly had to be in play, and I'm really only seeing land math calculations that need much more proof, and so on. But it sure is fun. Later, Pam in CA [email protected] wrote: > Alrighty....here goes. Here is all I know of my Daniel line. I have not > done any personal research on this family other than what I've been able to find > online. My two main sources have been a great help to me on this line, and it > is from their Ancestry postings that I glean most of my information. They > are Dennis Yancey who maintains the Yancey Family website, and Larry Royal a > descendant of Zachariah Goodman Daniel, son of Martin and Avarilla Daniel. > > My Martin Daniel Sr. was born circa 1750 in Virginia, and died in Mecklenburg > Co., VA leaving a will in 1811. His wife is unknown at this time. In the > will, Martin Daniel Sr. names the following children: > > Stark Daniel b. ca. 1775 (married Frances Royster and Lucy Yancey) > Elizabeth Daniel (married Aaron Butler) > Sarah Daniel (married James Tillotson) > Walter Daniel (Not sure if this is the one that married Jane Puryear) > Milly Daniel (married John Hamblin) > Wylie Daniel > Mary Daniel > Martin Daniel Jr. b ca. 1793, d. ca 1842-1850 and married Avarilla Yancey > in 1817. > > Children of Martin Daniel Jr. and Avarilla Yancey Daniel (daughter of > Zachariah Yancey) > Thomas Daniel b. ca 1818 > Elizabeth Daniel b. ca 1819 > Bentley Daniel b. ca. 1821 > Beverly Daniel b. ca. 1823 > Mary Ann Daniel b. ca. 1825 and married George Butler in 1841 > Ashley Daniel b. ca 1827 married Louisa Robertson in Granville ??? > Stith G. Daniel b. ca. 1828 married Sarah Frances Wilkinson > Margaret Daniel b. ca. 1830 married John Henry Hewey Sr. in Dec 1849 (my > line) > Dolly Daniel b. ca 1832 married Charles T. Gold > Zachariah Goodman Daniel b. 9 April 1835 > Nancy Daniel b. ca 1837 > Tarracy Daniel b. ca 1840 > Stephen Andrew Daniel b. 12 March 1842 > > It's possible to switch Thomas and Beverly's possible birth dates. I've > found the Beverly born 1818 in the 1860 Granville Co., NC Census. And the only > Thomas Daniel I can find in 1850 Mecklenburg Census was born in 1825. That > could work if they are both sons of Martin Jr. and Avarilla Daniel. > Two other sources were instrumental in helping me tie my Margaret Daniel > as a daughter of Martin and Avarilla Daniel.....Pam in California....and Wanda > Brooks in Mecklenburg Co., VA......my thanks also go out to them. > If anyone can add to this, confirm this, correct this....please...I'm > open to any and all suggestions. I'm in the process of having someone check into > the Chancery Court Cases at the LVA on possible estate settlement cases > involving Martin Daniel Jr. Hopefully he can turn up something that will confirm > Martin Jr.'s heirs. > Thanks for anyone that can help with my Daniel line... > > Charlie Rathbun

Does anyone have a Family Report on these Mecklenburg Daniels? PDF or GedCom etc.? Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: "P. A. Miller" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 1:11 AM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Martin Daniel of Mecklenburg > Hi all, especially Charlie, > > Here come some thoughts about your Martin Daniel in Mecklenburg. Most of > this is just me developing research questions and what steps I would want > to take to keep researching the line and so on. > > 1. Larry Royall's work shows tons of living Daniel descendants from your > line, you should stalk some of them down and get some DNA tests! > > 2. About ordering the chancery files from LVA - I love LVA and get stuff > from them a lot, but that $50 is steep when you can get the Meck chancery > files at your nearby FHCs for only $6+ a film. For that price, you can > also get the fuller probate loose estate records (that's the real ticket > where some answers will lie) and the tax records, and keep going on with > the land records. > > 3. Just can't go any further without gurgling in glee at that exquisite > land proof on your Martin. It almost makes me wish for some doubt or > confusion about the 3 Martins in Meck, just so it could shine even more. > Anyway, I'm talking about old Martin buying the 100a + the 90a, then son > Martin and wf Avy selling 20a of it, then son Martin mortgaging and later > Martin and Avy selling the remaining 176a, all with those beautiful > matching bound names, etc. It's just a gorgeous example of quiet title > and the power of land records in proving relationships. > > 4. Unless it came from his wife's family, it is father Martin's other > 126a, not accounted for in the early land records that Martin Sr. willed > to Martin Jr. in 1811, that could be your key to pushing back on this > line. It doesn't seem to show up as having been purchased (or as part of > a purchase) in parent county Lunenburg before Mecklenburg was formed. I > found a couple false starts in the VA land grants that I really hoped for > but they seem to bomb out. You may find hints in the estate papers or in > later land deeds when the heirs deal with it, i.e. when Avy died. > > 5. Just my opinion so far, but I just don't see much if any record > support for your Martin being related to the William and Thomas over west. > Martin is taxed in the eastern district in 1782, 1790, 1799, and 1800, the > others are in the central and were there much earlier (William is in the > early Lunenburg tax lists in the Mecklenburg section in 1764, assuming > it's the same William or a parent). There's just no interplay between > these groups (at least in the records I've done and seen so far, still > need fuller probate and court records. The crossover Stark name is > vexing, I've come to wonder if it's just an unfortunate cosmic > genealogical joke. I know when I first looked at these groups ages ago, I > just automatically said, "Stark, they must come from the Prince > George/Dinwiddie Starke and Daniel families." While all that is much > earlier on, it leads to a possibility of Martin being part of that Daniel > family that was moving west across Brunswick and later who spilled over a > touch into Lunenburg/Mecklenburg. > > 6. Back to the 126a: getting a better location on them would be so > helpful, and it could prove my #5 wrong: if the tax records show that > Martin didn't get the 126a until after the 190a it would suggest he's made > a west to east move and could be coming from that other group. It's true > the 190a are in the more central section (Buffalo Creek), but my gut > feeling is that they are extra acreage, and that his home was always the > 126a in the east, but I'm not standing strong on that. > > 7. I'm working on one of my possibly off the wall theories (who am I > kidding, there's probably some record out there to shoot this right off > the tree, hopefully somebody will post it quickly and end my lunacy): > If the 126a can be shown to be _seriously_ on the Brunswick border (and it > is at least eligible based on the tax district he's in), there's a way to > view and massage the Brunswick records to suggest it could be 1/2 of the > remaining lands of Hugh Daniel of Poplar Creek, Brunswick, i.e. land that > didn't go to Marmaduke but just isn't transferred on record. It rests on > Hugh being located on Poplar Creek proper as his grant and deeds say, not > further east on Little Poplar Creek based on his earlier Rattlesnake > Chapel connections (and he could certainly still have had those > connections but be further west on Poplar Creek proper). So far I'm > finding the neighboring grants fit this theory. I know this is goofy in > so many ways: it means the Lunenburg/Brunswick border possibly had to be > in play, and I'm really only seeing land math calculations that need much > more proof, and so on. But it sure is fun. > > Later, > Pam in CA > > [email protected] wrote: >> Alrighty....here goes. Here is all I know of my Daniel line. I have not >> done any personal research on this family other than what I've been able >> to find online. My two main sources have been a great help to me on this >> line, and it is from their Ancestry postings that I glean most of my >> information. They are Dennis Yancey who maintains the Yancey Family >> website, and Larry Royal a descendant of Zachariah Goodman Daniel, son of >> Martin and Avarilla Daniel. >> >> My Martin Daniel Sr. was born circa 1750 in Virginia, and died in >> Mecklenburg Co., VA leaving a will in 1811. His wife is unknown at this >> time. In the will, Martin Daniel Sr. names the following children: >> >> Stark Daniel b. ca. 1775 (married Frances Royster and Lucy Yancey) >> Elizabeth Daniel (married Aaron Butler) >> Sarah Daniel (married James Tillotson) >> Walter Daniel (Not sure if this is the one that married Jane Puryear) >> Milly Daniel (married John Hamblin) >> Wylie Daniel >> Mary Daniel >> Martin Daniel Jr. b ca. 1793, d. ca 1842-1850 and married Avarilla >> Yancey in 1817. >> >> Children of Martin Daniel Jr. and Avarilla Yancey Daniel (daughter of >> Zachariah Yancey) >> Thomas Daniel b. ca 1818 Elizabeth Daniel b. ca 1819 >> Bentley Daniel b. ca. 1821 Beverly Daniel b. ca. 1823 >> Mary Ann Daniel b. ca. 1825 and married George Butler in 1841 >> Ashley Daniel b. ca 1827 married Louisa Robertson in Granville ??? >> Stith G. Daniel b. ca. 1828 married Sarah Frances Wilkinson >> Margaret Daniel b. ca. 1830 married John Henry Hewey Sr. in Dec 1849 >> (my line) >> Dolly Daniel b. ca 1832 married Charles T. Gold >> Zachariah Goodman Daniel b. 9 April 1835 >> Nancy Daniel b. ca 1837 Tarracy Daniel b. ca 1840 >> Stephen Andrew Daniel b. 12 March 1842 >> >> It's possible to switch Thomas and Beverly's possible birth dates. I've >> found the Beverly born 1818 in the 1860 Granville Co., NC Census. And >> the only Thomas Daniel I can find in 1850 Mecklenburg Census was born in >> 1825. That could work if they are both sons of Martin Jr. and Avarilla >> Daniel. Two other sources were instrumental in helping me tie my >> Margaret Daniel as a daughter of Martin and Avarilla Daniel.....Pam in >> California....and Wanda Brooks in Mecklenburg Co., VA......my thanks also >> go out to them. If anyone can add to this, confirm this, correct >> this....please...I'm open to any and all suggestions. I'm in the process >> of having someone check into the Chancery Court Cases at the LVA on >> possible estate settlement cases involving Martin Daniel Jr. Hopefully >> he can turn up something that will confirm Martin Jr.'s heirs. Thanks >> for anyone that can help with my Daniel line... >> >> Charlie Rathbun > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe >