This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: tziggan Surnames: Daniel, Jones Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.daniel/2160/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, all, I've been doing British wills in Salt Lake the last several years, including Daniel, and a while back I did the will of John Daniell Notary Publique, of St. Bartholomew near the Royal Exchange, wr 27 Sep 1665, pr 18 Nov 1665, LDS film 92284, will book "Hyde", folio 139. This is the John Daniell currently proposed as the natural father of Thomas Daniel of VA Isle of Wight, by Ann who died as widow Jones in St. Clement Danes. There are only a couple of gedcoms out there at worldonnect and ancestry that have posted this connection, so it hasn't taken hold and become too set. Not such good news for the connection: the will of John Daniell of London 1665 shows his son Thomas does not fit the Thomas of Isle of Wight. I can only describe the differences based on what is currently (Nov 2008) presented online: that Thomas of IOW is the elder of John of London's sons, was b. ca 1631, md. ca 1655, d.1709. In the London will of John Daniell the sons are named in the order Charles Daniell and Thomas Daniell; they are named only once with no wording suggesting Thomas is older or younger, and there's no wording suggesting Thomas is of any different status than Charles (i.e. by another wife, or a natural son by another woman). Both of these boys share equally in the estate: they split 1/2 and widow Susan is to get 1/2 (she had a previous unnamed husband and children by him). Both Charles and Thomas are under 21, that's made clear three different times (to get their parts at 21; if either dies before 21 their part goes to survivor; if both die before 21 t! heir parts to other named devisees). So John the Notary's Thomas Daniell is born after 1643, i.e. not fitting the birth of the Thomas Daniel of Isle of Wight who is proposed as son of Ann Jones of St. Clement Danes, and not allowing for births of his own children in 1657-1663. The reason I have kept up with this bunch in England is because a long time ago I had found a marriage of an Edward Jones to an Ann Daniel in St. James Clerkenwell, 12 Jun 1656. It seemed like a good namesake and good timing based on the will of Ann Jones (side legacies to an Edward and Patience Jones). I was also intrigued by this pairing because an "Edward Jones of St. Clement Danes" had earlier married in St. James Clerkenwell, to "Mehetabell Therold of St. James Clerkenwell", on 2 Jan 1633/4. They had children for a few years on a parish path going east (from Clerkenwell toward St. Clement Danes), and then that wife Mehetabell seems to drop out of records. I was seeing the possibility that this Edward Jones was widowed and might be the same who later married Ann Daniel. However, this was just seeing possibilities for further research, I have no proof it's the same Edward Jones. To my surprise, a couple years ago, someone submitted the 1656 Edward Jones and Ann Dani! el marriage as a private entry to the igi, saying the marriage happened at St. Clement Danes. The original St. Clement Danes marriage register doesn't have the marriage, only the St. James Clerkenwell registers, but I figured the submitter may have followed the same trail or may have found some other info somewhere else. I pulled that igi entry several times after first spotting it, but haven't been able to pull it up again in the last year or so, don't know what's happened (my notes are clear so I'm not yet at the point of thinking it was a hallucination, but give me a moment or two and who knows). I've done big chunks of the original St. Clement Danes register and found that "Ann Jones an ancient woman" was buried on 10 Oct 1677. Unfortunately, I've since realized that I stopped reading the burials at the beginning of 1678 (what a goof). Ann Jones' will was proved 6 Feb 1678/9, some 15 months after this burial, explainable by speculation, but I'm concerned there may be another burial closer to that proving date for another Ann Jones who would be more appropriate for the Ann of the will. There's no adult Edward Jones buried in St. Clement Danes between 1656 and 1678, which doesn't help in the above notion of the Edward Jones and Ann Daniel pairing. On the other hand, the fact that Ann Jones ended in St. Clement Danes doesn't mean her husband did. Anyway, a new look at the London John Daniell connection to Thomas of IOW, Pam in CA Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.