Hi, folks, Kevin W. Q. Daniel wrote: > Does anyone on the list have access to these books to see if one of > these John Russell's was imported by William Daniel? > Yes, below is my transcription of the original patent (available at http://lvaimage.lib.va.us). The bounding words Smyth, Indian Bridge, the red and white oaks, and Potter are in later grants and deeds bounding next to land of _Capt._ William Daniell. I can't remember if or how a Russell/Daniell relationship got started in this thread (what can I tell you, I can only lurk at the speed of light right now), but I've extracted all the Daniel entries from and there is no mention of a Russell dealing with a Daniell in Hopkins' _Middlesex County, Virginia Wills and Inventories 1673-1812 and Other Court Papers_, nor in the Christ Church Parish Registers. Virginia Land Office, Land Grants and Patents, Pat Bk 6, P 415. " To all & c. Whereas & c. Now know yee that I the said Sr. Wm. Berkeley & c. do give and Grant unto Wm. Daniell one hundred & fifteen acres of land situated in Middlesex Co. by the Indian bridge branch dividing this land and the land of Alex Murray beginning at a marked white oak standing by the side of the Indian bridge branch opposite to the corner poplar of Alex Murray and in the line of Mr. Alexander Smyth and running along the sd Smyth's line So. E. by E. 156 poles to a corner red oak of the said Smyth thence So. So. W. to the rim of the green swamp als. Dragon Swamp, thence up the runn of the sd. swamp to the mouth of the Indian bridge branch and up the runn of the sd. branch to the first mentioned tree, wch sd 115 acres of land is part of the 190 acres granted unto Lieut. Colonell Cutbert Potter by order of the generall Court bearing date the 21th. day of Apr 1668 and by the sd. Potter sould and assigned to the sd. Daniell and is now due unto the sd Daniell by and for the transportation of three persons into this Colony whose names are mentioned on the Record under this Patt. To have and to hold &c. To be held &c. Yeilding & Paying &c Provided &c. Dated the fiveth of Oct 1672. Anne Rs. Car. 2d. 24 John Russell - Wm Cocke - Joane Younge [= the three persons he imported which entitled him to the land grant]." Regards, Pam in CA

Anne, I do not think a lot of the folks that came to GA from eastern NC or VA after the RW did so in the 1770 time frame, which is a time frame a lot of people like to say was when their ancestors first got to GA. The major migration period to GA started about 1785 and lasted until about 1815 - a period of about 30 years. Most RS land grants to soldiers who served GA units were not made until ABT the 1790-1800 time frame. Those RS who served other states generally came later (AFT 1805) and one had a three year residency requirement for these lotteries, as I remember. Also, not too many folks moved directly to Liberty County, GA. About the only folks down in that area of GA were the descendants of persons who came over to GA with Oglethorpe in 1733, or those involved in some type of seaborne commerce because Liberty County, GA is right on the coast. I went by Midway Church many times as a boy on the way to Savannah so I know, well where it is. Generally, everybody that came to GA from another state settled, initially, in the Richmond, Washington, Burke and Effingham County areas or Jefferson, Bulloch or Screven County areas after they were created. They did this so they could politick the legislature and governor in Louisville and later in Milledgeville for their RS land grants. Getting a land grant back then, even for a soldiers who served GA during the RW, was like doing business, these days, with any state or federal bureaucracy - lots of paper work with lots of T's to cross and I's to dot. As you probably know, this took time, lots of it and families had to live and survive during this bureaucratic process so they had to have a place to live. What one must not forget were the two basic avenues of entry into GA after the RW. They were via Savannah and Augusta. Those who came to GA via of a ship, usually landed in Savannah and moved inland from there, usually up the Savannah River to Augusta. Those who came down from NC or VA, as was the case for most of our ancestors, usually entered GA by crossing the Savannah River at Augusta. Other ports of entry were Beaufort, SC and then traveling across southern SC, usually via of Savannah, into GA or landing at Charleston, SC and then hoofing it all the way across SC into GA. Also, in this time frame and even later, the general avenues of entry used by most persons were waterways and the one that got the most traffic in this time frame was the Savannah River which was generally navigable as far north as Augusta. Regardless, this was not an easy migration for these persons and their families because the Interstate highway system was still some 200 years in the future. <grin> This is all in addition to the pestilence they would have to face during their transit through the GA's many malarial infested swamps that always seemed to impede their journey. Nor the frequent Indian attacks they would face well into the 1830's in some rural areas of GA. These were difficult times and were not for the meek or the timid. All you really have to do is look at the first 50 years of Georgia settlement to see how difficult this terrain really was. By 1783, some 50 years after Oglethorpe first landed at Savannah, settlers had barely made it inland 40 or so miles from either Augusta or Savannah. This would change, but it would take time....... John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne W O'Brien" <aobtx@juno.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:07 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Re: Bill and price Daniel -DANIEL-D Digest V03 #476 > Oh, Gloria, I can understand your frustration about strong, verbal family > history, and believe me, I am not saying it isn't true. I have had some > of both come up in my research. I came on-List in early 2001, then was > off-line about nine or ten months during 2002 and have been back on-List > for about nine months, and may have missed some of background on things I > am seeing now, and I am not sure what your "line" is, or what Jack's > comment about your line being that "Liberty" County group means. Is that > Liberty Co., GA formed 1777? If so, then I doubt if we have a connection, > since my DANIEL line and their collateral lines came into the N/E > Parishes and counties, and did get down any further down than Baldwin > Co., if at all, until way, way up in the late 1800s even.. > > In the case of my DANIEL line in TX, "Liberty" has been an established > town in southeast Texas (Coushatta Indian territory) since way back in > the Spanish rule days. It has been said (and continues to be argued > about) that the "Lone Star" flag of Texas was designed there after the > Battle of Santa Anna and that Sam Houston approved the design there. When > the county of Montgomery was formed it spread over a great deal of south > east Texas (about one-fifth or one-sixth the size of the current State of > Texas and was/is known as the "Piney Woods', very reminiscent of the > landscape of much of GA.), much of the original county designated to be > for the families Stephen F. Austin was to and did bring to colonize > Texas. Liberty the town, or pueblo, became the capitol of the county, and > still is of the now greatly reduced in size Montgomery county. Old > Spanish land grants will, no doubt, confirm Sherlene's ancestor, Capt. > CHERRY (deCHERIE) to be an even earlier settler than the Austin "300". > > I am NOT, by any means, any kind of expert on Huguenot or "French" > Huguenot immigrants, except from my own research, in which I learned that > Huguenot is a corrupted French word for all religiously persecuted > Protestant citizens of France and neighboring areas, who over a period of > about a hundred years, fled France to other countries, such as Holland, > Belgium, Germany, Norway and many to England, Ireland, and Scotland, > where they had commerce or trade connections. Some stayed where they > went, others stayed a generation or two, then immigrated, and I suppose > some came early on directly from France. > > I don't remember the time frame of the siege of Savannah, but if your > Josephus/Joseph deserted or jumped ship (probably with good reason!!) he > may have, like many Prussian soldiers during the Rev War in substantially > German settled PA, simply changed his name - or not, married and stayed > on. I know this is not much help, and Jack is probably much more > conversant on this subject than I, but I do know my documented Manakin > Town, VA "French" Huguenot lines that are collateral ancestors to this > 1786 b.GA Thomas Daniel line are Pierre (Peter) DAVID and Peter RUCKER > (do we hear German or Dutch ancestry here?), both of which lines had > descendants who came down into GA (some through NC and SC) in the late > 1700s and early 1800s - before or when they married into my direct DANIEL > line (as well as my direct FAULKNER line), along with ALMAND/ALMON, > USSERY, TINSLEY, VERNON, and others they picked up along the way. John's > SOBLETS/SUBLETTES and CHASTAINS were among the same group as my DAVIDS > and RUCKERS in the Manakin Town group who petitioned the Burgesses in the > early 1700s for naturalization (which was granted by an Act of the > Burgesses/Legislature), his FARRARS in an earlier group in that same > area. > > Comments, corrections? Jack? Anyone? > > Anne > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change the subject of a reply message. > >

OK - there you go! I knew someone out here had mentioned their Daniel's being from Waco or Liberty Co., TX. One of my Daniel's line goes to Waco in late 1880's & was a well known Baptist Minister in the area & was missionary to Cuba and Brazil - but Waco was his home. He was Charles Davis Daniel who married Lena Kirk. I have several aunt's and uncle's that would be highly upset (fighting mad would be more like it) to be told that they weren't kid to Price Daniel, anyway - don't know about Bill. Oh, brother! They just won't hear any part of it not being so. They are very old - so, I don't get them upset by talking about facts. I've looked for the connection - but, if there was one - it's back further than Price or his father. - Ruth in Portland, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack V Butler" <JackVButler@comcast.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Re: Bill and Price Daniel - DANIEL-D Digest V03 #475 > Gloria, if I remember correctly, you family story also says that your > ancestor is from the Liberty County group - and that he is buried in Liberty > County. > > I do not see any way that both stories can be true. > > Jack Butler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Taosbg@aol.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 5:22 PM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Re: Bill and Price Daniel - DANIEL-D Digest V03 #475 > > > > Anne, > > I was interested in seeing you mention the French Huguenots as collaterals > of > > the Daniel line. > > My Daniel cousin took the DNA and he matched Lucy's line and was a > mutation > > off a couple of others. He will not be moved from the story his > grandfather > > told him of their grandpa Joseph's (Josephus) father being French and > fighting at > > the seige of Savannah. He deserterd and stayed in this country. > > My cousin feels the story goes back far enough it must be true. > > Gloria > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives > at: > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL >

Hi Anne: Do you have any idea where George Daniel got "Mayfield" as a middle name? Thanks - Ruth in Portland, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne W O'Brien" <aobtx@juno.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 12:50 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Re: Bill and Price Daniel - DANIEL-D Digest V03 #475 > Sherlene: > > Your and your Uncle Homer are correct - there is no known or documented > evidence in this Daniel line (descended from Thomas Daniel, B. 1786, GA) > to any Cherry or deCherie that I can find. I checked again, and although > I' still stymied on 1786 Thomas' parentage, some of the earlier > collaterals to this Daniel line were French Huguenot immigrants into VA, > as were your deCherie/Cherry ancestors, but there appears to be no > connection other than that early location in VA. > > I believe the inquiry by Bill was precipitated by the fact that the > Cherry plantation established in 1818 with a Spanish land grant, in what > was later to be Montgomery Co, TX, before the Stephen F. Austin > Expeditions, was purchased sometime around (when - early 1900s?) by > Daniel family descendants, whose common grandfather, George Mayfield > Daniel, two of his brothers and a sister (all grandchildren of the 1786 > Thomas) first came to Montgomery Co in ca. 1868, after the Civil War. In > the late 1950s or early 1960s, a little booklet, the "History of the > Daniel Family in Texas" by my great aunt, Zonetta Almond Daniel Devine > (youngest daughter of George Mayfield Daniel), was written about this > Texas part of this Daniel line, from which Bill, Price, others and I are > directly descended, and her research may have precipitated Bill's > question to Homer Cherry. Although this booklet was privately published > (I have a numberd copy), it was reposited in the Dallas Library, and > there are some collateral inconsistencies in it disproved by later > research. Use carefully. > > Bill and Price's GGGF, Capt. Hugh Blair Johnston, would have been through > their maternal line (Nannie Blanche Partlow), back to Capt. Johnston. > > Other Daniel grandchildren (through another grandson line of Thomas) also > came into TX from AL, but into the north central part of TX, near Olney, > and I have recently received documentation on them. > > Regards, > > Anne > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >

Oh, Gloria, I can understand your frustration about strong, verbal family history, and believe me, I am not saying it isn't true. I have had some of both come up in my research. I came on-List in early 2001, then was off-line about nine or ten months during 2002 and have been back on-List for about nine months, and may have missed some of background on things I am seeing now, and I am not sure what your "line" is, or what Jack's comment about your line being that "Liberty" County group means. Is that Liberty Co., GA formed 1777? If so, then I doubt if we have a connection, since my DANIEL line and their collateral lines came into the N/E Parishes and counties, and did get down any further down than Baldwin Co., if at all, until way, way up in the late 1800s even.. In the case of my DANIEL line in TX, "Liberty" has been an established town in southeast Texas (Coushatta Indian territory) since way back in the Spanish rule days. It has been said (and continues to be argued about) that the "Lone Star" flag of Texas was designed there after the Battle of Santa Anna and that Sam Houston approved the design there. When the county of Montgomery was formed it spread over a great deal of south east Texas (about one-fifth or one-sixth the size of the current State of Texas and was/is known as the "Piney Woods', very reminiscent of the landscape of much of GA.), much of the original county designated to be for the families Stephen F. Austin was to and did bring to colonize Texas. Liberty the town, or pueblo, became the capitol of the county, and still is of the now greatly reduced in size Montgomery county. Old Spanish land grants will, no doubt, confirm Sherlene's ancestor, Capt. CHERRY (deCHERIE) to be an even earlier settler than the Austin "300". I am NOT, by any means, any kind of expert on Huguenot or "French" Huguenot immigrants, except from my own research, in which I learned that Huguenot is a corrupted French word for all religiously persecuted Protestant citizens of France and neighboring areas, who over a period of about a hundred years, fled France to other countries, such as Holland, Belgium, Germany, Norway and many to England, Ireland, and Scotland, where they had commerce or trade connections. Some stayed where they went, others stayed a generation or two, then immigrated, and I suppose some came early on directly from France. I don't remember the time frame of the siege of Savannah, but if your Josephus/Joseph deserted or jumped ship (probably with good reason!!) he may have, like many Prussian soldiers during the Rev War in substantially German settled PA, simply changed his name - or not, married and stayed on. I know this is not much help, and Jack is probably much more conversant on this subject than I, but I do know my documented Manakin Town, VA "French" Huguenot lines that are collateral ancestors to this 1786 b.GA Thomas Daniel line are Pierre (Peter) DAVID and Peter RUCKER (do we hear German or Dutch ancestry here?), both of which lines had descendants who came down into GA (some through NC and SC) in the late 1700s and early 1800s - before or when they married into my direct DANIEL line (as well as my direct FAULKNER line), along with ALMAND/ALMON, USSERY, TINSLEY, VERNON, and others they picked up along the way. John's SOBLETS/SUBLETTES and CHASTAINS were among the same group as my DAVIDS and RUCKERS in the Manakin Town group who petitioned the Burgesses in the early 1700s for naturalization (which was granted by an Act of the Burgesses/Legislature), his FARRARS in an earlier group in that same area. Comments, corrections? Jack? Anyone? Anne

Does anyone on the list have access to these books to see if one of these John Russell's was imported by William Daniel? Kevin -------- Original Message -------- Subject: John Russell Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 06:49:59 -0500 From: Kevin W. Q. Daniel <kevin@kevindaniel.com> To: DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com 1666 - Jno Russell to VA (4 entries) 1667 - Jno Russell to VA, (2 entries) 1673-1674 - John Russell to VA Source: > NUGENT, NELL M., _Cavaliers and Pioneers: Abstracts of Virginia Land > Patents and Grants. Vol. 2: 1666-1695_. Indexed by Claudia B. > Grundman. Richmond, VA: Virginia State Library, 1977. 609p. John Russell to VA 1672, (3 entries) Source: COLDHAM, PETER W. _The Bristol Registers of Servants Sent to Foreign Plantations, 1654-1686_. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1988. 491p.

My information about the formation date of Middlesex County came from The Handy Book for Genealogists. Kevin John R. Clarke wrote: >Middlesex County, VA, according to the Middlesex County, VA website was >formed ABT 1669 from Lancaster County, VA. I do not know the reason they >say "about 1669." Probably the reason there is no exact date for its >formation is because VA, in that time frame, was broken down into parishes >and they, instead of counties, were the "local units of ecclesiastical and >community organization." > >Direct quote from the Middlesex County, VA website: ><<< >Middlesex County was probably named for the English county. It was formed >from Lancaster about 1669. Its area is 132 square miles, and the county >seat is Saluda > > > >Source: http://www.rootsweb.com/~vamiddle/ > >John R. Clarke >Thomasville, GA > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kevin W. Q. Daniel" <kevin@kevindaniel.com> >To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 7:20 AM >Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [DANIEL-L] John RUSEELL 1672, Middlesex >County, VA > > > > >>Middlesex Co., VA was not created until 1673, from Lancaster County. >> >>Kevin >> >>John R. Clarke wrote: >> >> >> >>>Jack, >>> It was not a source. It was a note in a GEDCOM file but the >>> >>> >interesting > > >>>part was the name, William DANIEL and the location Middlesex County, VA >>> >>> >and > > >>>the only William that I know who was in Middlesex was Capt. William >>> >>> >DANIEL. > > >>>John R. Clarke >>>Thomasville, GA >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Jack V Butler" <JackVButler@comcast.net> >>>To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> >>>Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 8:47 PM >>>Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] John RUSEELL 1672, Middlesex County, VA >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Actually, I was curious as to the source of you note. >>>> >>>>Jack >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> >>>>To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:40 PM >>>>Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] John RUSEELL 1672, Middlesex County, VA >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Jack, >>>>> I am sure the RUSSELL information is in the Middlesex County, VA >>>>>records. If not, I would be greatly surprised. >>>>> >>>>>John R. Clarke >>>>>Thomasville, GA >>>>> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "Jack V Butler" <JackVButler@comcast.net> >>>>>To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:17 PM >>>>>Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] John RUSEELL 1672, Middlesex County, VA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>John, I would find it more interesting with a source. >>>>>> >>>>>>Jack >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> >>>>>>To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>>Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 6:04 PM >>>>>>Subject: [DANIEL-L] John RUSEELL 1672, Middlesex County, VA >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>I thought this note I found was interesting enough to post to the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>list: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>><<< >>>>>>>1672, John Russell was imported to Middlesex Co., VA by William >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>Daniel. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>William Daniel was grandson of Luke Billington, will dated Nov. 13, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>1671, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>Parish of Farnham, Rappahannock Co., VA, which became Richmond >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>Co. ---- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>Dr. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>John Russell, b. abt 1646 [?], m. Sept. 11, 1673 to Alicia >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>Billington, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>dau. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>of Luke Billington. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>John R. Clarke >>>>>>>Thomasville, GA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >>>>>>>Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe >>>>>>>Click on the following link and your message is ready to send >>>>>>>Mail Mode: >>>>>>>mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >>>>>>>or- >>>>>>>Digest Mode: >>>>>>>mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >>>>>>IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>Archives >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >>>>>Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>the subject of a reply message. >>>> >>>> >>>>==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >>>>DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families >>> >>> >or > > >>>those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not >>>allowed on this list. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >>>Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? 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Good Morning, I found something interesting during some recent research on the DURDEN, SUMNER, FLANDERS and CHESTNUTT families of Emanuel County, Ga -- the PRICE family. Rice PRICE (1822-1880) was married to a Mary Jane WHITFIELD, d/o Robert WHITFIELD and Rebecca. Rice was the son of a James Mitchell PRICE and an Elizabeth BLACK and the grandson of a Rice PRICE and a Mourning MOORE. They say that Elizabeth BLACK was the d/o of Robert BLACK and Lovicy BRUTON. These MOORES really interest me because I think these Emanuel County, GA MOORES point directly back to Pitt County, NC. The children of Rice PRICE and Mourning MOORE were: James Mitchell PRICE born ABT 1790 who married Elizabeth BLACK, Littleberry PRICE born ABT 1797 who married Elizabeth TURNER, Moore PRICE b. ABT 1800 who married Mary "Polly" MAXWELL, Olive PRICE b. ABT 1800 dnm., Nathan PRICE born ABT 1813 who married Nancy JOHNSON (probably JOHNSTON) and Warren PRICE b. 1814 who married Martha ELY. The one thing I know about the MAXWELLS, they were of Liberty County, GA, another key location for some of these DANIELS. RE: Audley MAXWELL (1766-1840) of Liberty County, GA married a Mary STEVENS and we know that John DANIEL, who some say was a son of Aaron and Betsy, married a Rebecca STEVENS/STEPHENS. One of Audley's daughters, Julia Rebecca MAXWELL born 1808 married Roswell KING and I hope I do not have to tell you who this old boy was. <grin> I also noticed a KING family tied in more than one instance to this overall bunch. Needless to say, this link to Roswell KING ties us back to some very influential GA families, including the KINGS, BULLOCHS, CALLOWAYS, JONES families, etc, as well as quite a few Charleston, SC families of the same note. I also liked the PRICE connection to the SCOTTS in and around Emanuel County, GA because I know they are tied to my COLEMANS and it also turns out they were collateral with the FLANDERS, a family I really keep my eye on. Nancy PRICE, whose mother was a Mary, married Brittan SCOTT. Their son, John SCOTT born 1829 married Eliza FLANDERS, d/o Rev. Jordan FLANDERS and his second wife, Mary Ann Jane DANIEL of Emanuel County, GA. The mother of Rev. Jordan FLANDERS, clerk in Emanuel, was Nancy JORDAN and her sister, Celia, married Samuel TARVER, III of Richmond County, GA. This whole bunch, DANIEL, JORDAN, TARVER, SUMER, BLACK, PRICE, SCOTT, COLEMAN, STEVENS, MAXWELL, DURDEN, THOMPSON, CHESTNUTT and their known collaterals are very close down in the Emanuel County, GA area and all of this smells, to me, of families from one of those either eastern NC counties, IOW County, VA, or both, although I'm sure they probably picked up some collaterals as they moved through SC on their way to GA. The reason I said JOHNSTON instead of JOHNSON is because folks in this time frame could never get the spelling of this name right and often listed JOHNSON instead of JOHNSTON. Just another quirk of those times...... John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA

P, Could be.....especially if they had any money. <grin> I must have lost that gene somewhere along the line, if I ever had it, because I can go through that commodity like it is going out of style. <grin> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] 1754 Will of John DANIEL of Northampton County, NC OK, since we are bibicalizing, one of the first Daniels in England was probably Jewish. True or false? Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lucy Gray" <lucygray1@cox.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] 1754 Will of John DANIEL of Northampton County, NC > John, > > Don't forget Josiah was also a Bible name. IF I remember correctly he was a king. > > Lucy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John R. Clarke > To: DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 4:16 PM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] 1754 Will of John DANIEL of Northampton County, NC > > > Mike, > Thanks for this copy of this will and there are several things we can > discern from this 1755 will. One, the PARKERS were pretty close to this IOW > bunch, that we already know. Two, the Biblical names, Abraham and Isaac, > were both names within the IOW bunch and from this will, so too was the > name, Ezekiel. Three, we also know this Abraham was not the 1762 Abraham > which we later see down in GA, who some say was a son of Aaron, which I tend > to doubt. This also tells me this Abraham DANIEL, as well as the other boys > listed in this 1755 will of John DANIEL of Northampton County, NC, were > probably born BEF 1720. > Regardless, I think there is a pretty good chance these Biblical named > DANIELS were probably from the same overall DANIEL family - OPW bunch. DNA > seems to confirm this. > I kind of forget where all of these Biblical names fit into the general > scheme of things but, as I remember, Abraham was the father of David and > David was the father of Isaac, or something along these lines. I listened > in Sunday School when I was a boy but not as good as some --- and it was a > long, long time ago. <grin> > Also, where there is an Abraham and Isaac, do you know what given name is > missing from this Biblical naming scheme -- a "David." So my bet there is > a David floating around this bunch, somewhere, because w/o a David, what is > the need for an Isaac? That David DANIEL (1769-1832) of Chester, SC may > also fit into this IOW bunch at one of these junctures. I also tend to > think that some of the Roger DANIELL bunch may in fact be, IOW DANIELS. > Don't forget the "Big Four" -- Matthew, Mark, Luke and John because I am > sure, they did not. Nor Jesse, Joseph and Enoch, all Biblical names. I > would not bet against the fact there was some reasoning to their naming > schemes, either, kind of like the Abraham, David and Isaac scenario I > mentioned, previously. We also know that Matthew and Luke were big time > WHITFIELD names and Aaron DANIEL married a WHITFIELD. > It also seems this Northampton and even some of the Edgecombe and > Tyrrell County, NC bunch just loved these Biblical names, which tells me > there was probably a preacher or two floating around this bunch, somewhere, > and probably pretty close. At least this will also tells us, they took > their religion rather seriously and since the Bible was one of the few books > many of these folks had to read -- it did provide a lot of inspiration to > them as to both the conduct of their lives and the names of their children. > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Runforf471@aol.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 9:59 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] 1754 Will of John DANIEL of Northampton County, NC > > > John, > > Here is copy that is in the U.S. Gen Web Archives: > In the name of God Amen. I JOHN DANIEL Thirtenth day of November in the year > of our Lord one thousand seven hundred & fifty four. I JOHN DANIEL of the > County of Northampton being sick and weak of body but of perfect mind and > memory thanks be given unto almighty god therefore calling unto mind the > maortality of my body & knowing that it is appointed for all man once to dye > Do > > make and ordane this my Last will & testament in manner & form folloiwng > that > is to > say. First & principaly I give my Soul into the hands of god who Gave it me > & > my body & recommend to the earth to be buryed in Decent and Christian Like > manner at > the Discretion of my Executor here after named nothing doubting but at ye > generall > Resurection I shall Receive ye same againe by the mighty power of God & as > touching ___ ___Estae where with it hath pleased Got to ___ me in this Life > I > give > ___ & bequeath to in manner & form following. Impris. I lend my plantation > to > my well > beloved wife SARAH DANIEL and I give my plantation to my son EZEKIEL DANIEL > and if he dys without are to my son EPHRAIM DANIEL two fethor beds and > furniture > to my wife one pine table one chest hur choice of ___ and all ye hogs Ewes I > have. > ___ ___ of putor her choice ___ ____. Item I given unto my daughter > ELIZABETH DANIEL one fether bed. Itom. I give unto my Daughter SARAH DANIEL > one fether > > bed. Itom. I give unto my Son JOSEPH DANIEL fifty acres of Land more or less > held > by a Deed of John BROWN & three head of Sheep. Itom. I give unto my son JOHN > DANIEL one Sow and pigs. Itom. I give unto my Son ABRAHAM DANIEL one gun > and > I give unto ABRAHAM ISAAC and EPHRAIM the Rest of my Stock Cattle and > hogs. I give unto my wife SARAH DANIEL one aron pot her Choice one frying > pan > > one Woolen one Linnin Wheal and five pounds sixteen shillings in money and > five > stone jugs and six pare of cards one box iron and ___ one hand mill three > chears > three butter pots & loom and geer ye tobacco I leave to pay ye Debts. And I > give unto > my Daughter ELIZABETH DANIEL one Chest 1 ___ & 1 ___ and to my Daughter > SARAH DANIEL one Chest one bofet & one ___ and all moveable estate in doors > and out doors to be equally divided between ABRAHAM, ISAAC & EPHRAIM > DANIEL. > And of this my Last will & testament I make constitute nominate ordain and > appoint my well beloved wife SARAH DANIEL and my son JOHN DANIEL my whole > and sole Executors revoking and disannuling all former wills by have tofore > made > certifying and confirming this and none other to be my last will and > testament. In > witness whereof have hereunto set my hand and affixed my seal the day and > year > above written. JOHN DANIEL (his mark) (Seal). Signed Sealed published > pronounced > & declared by ye said Testator to be his last will and testament in presence > of us. > SAMUEL PARKER, JOSEPH DANIEL. Northampton County . February Court 1755. > The within written will was exhibited into court and proved by the oath of > the > subscribing witness thereto; at same time SARAH DANIEL was qualify’d > Executrix > therof which on motion was ordered to be ____. (Northampton Co., NC, Will Bk > ___, p. ___). > > Mike Daniel > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change the > subject of a reply message. > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change the subject of a reply message. > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not allowed on this list.

SO, Captain William Daniell was the founder of the Daniel family in Middlesex County, Virginia in 1660 and to day there is a Christ Church Parish in Milldlesex and a Christ Church Parish in Lancaster. William Daniel, Sr. received land patent in 1672 in Middlesex Co., Va. A Col. Chisley was also an early settler in the Northern Necks of Virginia. "A Place in Time, Middlesex County, Virginia, 1650-1750" Notice the name Chisley, John. Hugh's son William was not the Captain William Daniel of Middlesex or the William Daniel of Caroline and while I suspect that some GEDCOM files etc., may infer that, the claim is quite improvable. Poor old William, the son of Hugh, has been a conveinient place to hang unproven data to. With or without a source reference,William Daniel was grandson of Luke Billington as per the will. Cheers Ya'll, Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 7:47 AM Subject: Re: {not a subscriber} Re: [DANIEL-L] John RUSEELL 1672, Middlesex County, VA > Middlesex County, VA, according to the Middlesex County, VA website was > formed ABT 1669 from Lancaster County, VA. I do not know the reason they > say "about 1669." Probably the reason there is no exact date for its > formation is because VA, in that time frame, was broken down into parishes > and they, instead of counties, were the "local units of ecclesiastical and > community organization." > > Direct quote from the Middlesex County, VA website: > <<< > Middlesex County was probably named for the English county. It was formed > from Lancaster about 1669. Its area is 132 square miles, and the county > seat is Saluda > >>> > > Source: http://www.rootsweb.com/~vamiddle/ > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin W. Q. Daniel" <kevin@kevindaniel.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 7:20 AM > Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [DANIEL-L] John RUSEELL 1672, Middlesex > County, VA > > > > Middlesex Co., VA was not created until 1673, from Lancaster County. > > > > Kevin > > > > John R. Clarke wrote: > > > > >Jack, > > > It was not a source. It was a note in a GEDCOM file but the > interesting > > >part was the name, William DANIEL and the location Middlesex County, VA > and > > >the only William that I know who was in Middlesex was Capt. William > DANIEL. > > > > > >John R. Clarke > > >Thomasville, GA > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Jack V Butler" <JackVButler@comcast.net> > > >To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 8:47 PM > > >Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] John RUSEELL 1672, Middlesex County, VA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Actually, I was curious as to the source of you note. > > >> > > >>Jack > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > >>To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > >>Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:40 PM > > >>Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] John RUSEELL 1672, Middlesex County, VA > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>>Jack, > > >>> I am sure the RUSSELL information is in the Middlesex County, VA > > >>>records. If not, I would be greatly surprised. > > >>> > > >>>John R. Clarke > > >>>Thomasville, GA > > >>> > > >>>----- Original Message ----- > > >>>From: "Jack V Butler" <JackVButler@comcast.net> > > >>>To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > >>>Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:17 PM > > >>>Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] John RUSEELL 1672, Middlesex County, VA > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>John, I would find it more interesting with a source. > > >>>> > > >>>>Jack > > >>>>----- Original Message ----- > > >>>>From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > >>>>To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > >>>>Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 6:04 PM > > >>>>Subject: [DANIEL-L] John RUSEELL 1672, Middlesex County, VA > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>I thought this note I found was interesting enough to post to the > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>list: > > >> > > >> > > >>>>><<< > > >>>>> 1672, John Russell was imported to Middlesex Co., VA by William > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>Daniel. > > >> > > >> > > >>>>>William Daniel was grandson of Luke Billington, will dated Nov. 13, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>1671, > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>>Parish of Farnham, Rappahannock Co., VA, which became Richmond > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>Co. ---- > > >> > > >> > > >>>>Dr. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>John Russell, b. abt 1646 [?], m. Sept. 11, 1673 to Alicia > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >Billington, > > > > > > > > >>>>dau. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>of Luke Billington. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>John R. Clarke > > >>>>>Thomasville, GA > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > >>>>>Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > > >>>>>Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > > >>>>>Mail Mode: > > >>>>>mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > >>>>>or- > > >>>>>Digest Mode: > > >>>>>mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > >>>>IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >Archives > > > > > > > > >>>at: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>>==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > >>>Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change > > >>> > > >>> > > >>the subject of a reply message. > > >> > > >> > > >>==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > >>DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of > > >> > > >> > > >messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families > or > > >those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not > > >allowed on this list. > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > >Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? 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OK, since we are bibicalizing, one of the first Daniels in England was probably Jewish. True or false? Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lucy Gray" <lucygray1@cox.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] 1754 Will of John DANIEL of Northampton County, NC > John, > > Don't forget Josiah was also a Bible name. IF I remember correctly he was a king. > > Lucy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John R. Clarke > To: DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 4:16 PM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] 1754 Will of John DANIEL of Northampton County, NC > > > Mike, > Thanks for this copy of this will and there are several things we can > discern from this 1755 will. One, the PARKERS were pretty close to this IOW > bunch, that we already know. Two, the Biblical names, Abraham and Isaac, > were both names within the IOW bunch and from this will, so too was the > name, Ezekiel. Three, we also know this Abraham was not the 1762 Abraham > which we later see down in GA, who some say was a son of Aaron, which I tend > to doubt. This also tells me this Abraham DANIEL, as well as the other boys > listed in this 1755 will of John DANIEL of Northampton County, NC, were > probably born BEF 1720. > Regardless, I think there is a pretty good chance these Biblical named > DANIELS were probably from the same overall DANIEL family - OPW bunch. DNA > seems to confirm this. > I kind of forget where all of these Biblical names fit into the general > scheme of things but, as I remember, Abraham was the father of David and > David was the father of Isaac, or something along these lines. I listened > in Sunday School when I was a boy but not as good as some --- and it was a > long, long time ago. <grin> > Also, where there is an Abraham and Isaac, do you know what given name is > missing from this Biblical naming scheme -- a "David." So my bet there is > a David floating around this bunch, somewhere, because w/o a David, what is > the need for an Isaac? That David DANIEL (1769-1832) of Chester, SC may > also fit into this IOW bunch at one of these junctures. I also tend to > think that some of the Roger DANIELL bunch may in fact be, IOW DANIELS. > Don't forget the "Big Four" -- Matthew, Mark, Luke and John because I am > sure, they did not. Nor Jesse, Joseph and Enoch, all Biblical names. I > would not bet against the fact there was some reasoning to their naming > schemes, either, kind of like the Abraham, David and Isaac scenario I > mentioned, previously. We also know that Matthew and Luke were big time > WHITFIELD names and Aaron DANIEL married a WHITFIELD. > It also seems this Northampton and even some of the Edgecombe and > Tyrrell County, NC bunch just loved these Biblical names, which tells me > there was probably a preacher or two floating around this bunch, somewhere, > and probably pretty close. At least this will also tells us, they took > their religion rather seriously and since the Bible was one of the few books > many of these folks had to read -- it did provide a lot of inspiration to > them as to both the conduct of their lives and the names of their children. > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Runforf471@aol.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 9:59 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] 1754 Will of John DANIEL of Northampton County, NC > > > John, > > Here is copy that is in the U.S. Gen Web Archives: > In the name of God Amen. I JOHN DANIEL Thirtenth day of November in the year > of our Lord one thousand seven hundred & fifty four. I JOHN DANIEL of the > County of Northampton being sick and weak of body but of perfect mind and > memory thanks be given unto almighty god therefore calling unto mind the > maortality of my body & knowing that it is appointed for all man once to dye > Do > > make and ordane this my Last will & testament in manner & form folloiwng > that > is to > say. First & principaly I give my Soul into the hands of god who Gave it me > & > my body & recommend to the earth to be buryed in Decent and Christian Like > manner at > the Discretion of my Executor here after named nothing doubting but at ye > generall > Resurection I shall Receive ye same againe by the mighty power of God & as > touching ___ ___Estae where with it hath pleased Got to ___ me in this Life > I > give > ___ & bequeath to in manner & form following. Impris. I lend my plantation > to > my well > beloved wife SARAH DANIEL and I give my plantation to my son EZEKIEL DANIEL > and if he dys without are to my son EPHRAIM DANIEL two fethor beds and > furniture > to my wife one pine table one chest hur choice of ___ and all ye hogs Ewes I > have. > ___ ___ of putor her choice ___ ____. Item I given unto my daughter > ELIZABETH DANIEL one fether bed. Itom. I give unto my Daughter SARAH DANIEL > one fether > > bed. Itom. I give unto my Son JOSEPH DANIEL fifty acres of Land more or less > held > by a Deed of John BROWN & three head of Sheep. Itom. I give unto my son JOHN > DANIEL one Sow and pigs. Itom. I give unto my Son ABRAHAM DANIEL one gun > and > I give unto ABRAHAM ISAAC and EPHRAIM the Rest of my Stock Cattle and > hogs. I give unto my wife SARAH DANIEL one aron pot her Choice one frying > pan > > one Woolen one Linnin Wheal and five pounds sixteen shillings in money and > five > stone jugs and six pare of cards one box iron and ___ one hand mill three > chears > three butter pots & loom and geer ye tobacco I leave to pay ye Debts. And I > give unto > my Daughter ELIZABETH DANIEL one Chest 1 ___ & 1 ___ and to my Daughter > SARAH DANIEL one Chest one bofet & one ___ and all moveable estate in doors > and out doors to be equally divided between ABRAHAM, ISAAC & EPHRAIM > DANIEL. > And of this my Last will & testament I make constitute nominate ordain and > appoint my well beloved wife SARAH DANIEL and my son JOHN DANIEL my whole > and sole Executors revoking and disannuling all former wills by have tofore > made > certifying and confirming this and none other to be my last will and > testament. In > witness whereof have hereunto set my hand and affixed my seal the day and > year > above written. JOHN DANIEL (his mark) (Seal). Signed Sealed published > pronounced > & declared by ye said Testator to be his last will and testament in presence > of us. > SAMUEL PARKER, JOSEPH DANIEL. Northampton County . February Court 1755. > The within written will was exhibited into court and proved by the oath of > the > subscribing witness thereto; at same time SARAH DANIEL was qualify’d > Executrix > therof which on motion was ordered to be ____. (Northampton Co., NC, Will Bk > ___, p. ___). > > Mike Daniel > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change the > subject of a reply message. > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? 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Middlesex County, VA, according to the Middlesex County, VA website was formed ABT 1669 from Lancaster County, VA. I do not know the reason they say "about 1669." Probably the reason there is no exact date for its formation is because VA, in that time frame, was broken down into parishes and they, instead of counties, were the "local units of ecclesiastical and community organization." Direct quote from the Middlesex County, VA website: <<< Middlesex County was probably named for the English county. It was formed from Lancaster about 1669. Its area is 132 square miles, and the county seat is Saluda >>> Source: http://www.rootsweb.com/~vamiddle/ John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin W. Q. Daniel" <kevin@kevindaniel.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 7:20 AM Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [DANIEL-L] John RUSEELL 1672, Middlesex County, VA > Middlesex Co., VA was not created until 1673, from Lancaster County. > > Kevin > > John R. Clarke wrote: > > >Jack, > > It was not a source. It was a note in a GEDCOM file but the interesting > >part was the name, William DANIEL and the location Middlesex County, VA and > >the only William that I know who was in Middlesex was Capt. William DANIEL. > > > >John R. Clarke > >Thomasville, GA > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Jack V Butler" <JackVButler@comcast.net> > >To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 8:47 PM > >Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] John RUSEELL 1672, Middlesex County, VA > > > > > > > > > >>Actually, I was curious as to the source of you note. > >> > >>Jack > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > >>To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > >>Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:40 PM > >>Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] John RUSEELL 1672, Middlesex County, VA > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>Jack, > >>> I am sure the RUSSELL information is in the Middlesex County, VA > >>>records. If not, I would be greatly surprised. > >>> > >>>John R. Clarke > >>>Thomasville, GA > >>> > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: "Jack V Butler" <JackVButler@comcast.net> > >>>To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > >>>Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:17 PM > >>>Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] John RUSEELL 1672, Middlesex County, VA > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>John, I would find it more interesting with a source. > >>>> > >>>>Jack > >>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > >>>>To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > >>>>Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 6:04 PM > >>>>Subject: [DANIEL-L] John RUSEELL 1672, Middlesex County, VA > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>I thought this note I found was interesting enough to post to the > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>list: > >> > >> > >>>>><<< > >>>>> 1672, John Russell was imported to Middlesex Co., VA by William > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>Daniel. > >> > >> > >>>>>William Daniel was grandson of Luke Billington, will dated Nov. 13, > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>1671, > >>> > >>> > >>>>>Parish of Farnham, Rappahannock Co., VA, which became Richmond > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>Co. ---- > >> > >> > >>>>Dr. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>John Russell, b. abt 1646 [?], m. Sept. 11, 1673 to Alicia > >>>>> > >>>>> > >Billington, > > > > > >>>>dau. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>of Luke Billington. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>John R. Clarke > >>>>>Thomasville, GA > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > >>>>>Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > >>>>>Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > >>>>>Mail Mode: > >>>>>mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > >>>>>or- > >>>>>Digest Mode: > >>>>>mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > >>>>IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List > >>>> > >>>> > >Archives > > > > > >>>at: > >>> > >>> > >>>>http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > >>>Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change > >>> > >>> > >>the subject of a reply message. > >> > >> > >>==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > >>DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of > >> > >> > >messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or > >those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not > >allowed on this list. > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > >Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > >Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > >Mail Mode: > >mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > >or- > >Digest Mode: > >mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > >

Anne, I learned two things last week when I was talking genealogy with a college history professor whose family was from Georgetown, SC. 1. Any French name that begins with the prefix, "De", means that family was of noble birth. So the De RENAULD name, which later was shortened to RENEAU and RENO, was a noble family from France. 2. Any Prussian family whose son was a officer in the Prussian Army in the pre-1871 time frame would have been a "Junker" and their name would be preceded with the prefix, "von." The reason being is only Junkers could be appointed officers in the Prussian Army, so my RICHTER family of Liegnitz, Schlesien, Prussia was really "von RICHTER," the possibility of which has long been passed down through the family, since we know from an 1833 letter that one of my great-uncles was an officer in the Prussian Army. I also learned something else for you SC researchers -- Horry, as in Horry County, SC, is pronounced, "Orry" and Cheraw is pronounced, "She-ra," the French pronunciation of the word. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne W O'Brien" <aobtx@juno.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 3:50 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Re: Bill and Price Daniel - DANIEL-D Digest V03 #475 > Sherlene: > > Your and your Uncle Homer are correct - there is no known or documented > evidence in this Daniel line (descended from Thomas Daniel, B. 1786, GA) > to any Cherry or deCherie that I can find. I checked again, and although > I' still stymied on 1786 Thomas' parentage, some of the earlier > collaterals to this Daniel line were French Huguenot immigrants into VA, > as were your deCherie/Cherry ancestors, but there appears to be no > connection other than that early location in VA. > > I believe the inquiry by Bill was precipitated by the fact that the > Cherry plantation established in 1818 with a Spanish land grant, in what > was later to be Montgomery Co, TX, before the Stephen F. Austin > Expeditions, was purchased sometime around (when - early 1900s?) by > Daniel family descendants, whose common grandfather, George Mayfield > Daniel, two of his brothers and a sister (all grandchildren of the 1786 > Thomas) first came to Montgomery Co in ca. 1868, after the Civil War. In > the late 1950s or early 1960s, a little booklet, the "History of the > Daniel Family in Texas" by my great aunt, Zonetta Almond Daniel Devine > (youngest daughter of George Mayfield Daniel), was written about this > Texas part of this Daniel line, from which Bill, Price, others and I are > directly descended, and her research may have precipitated Bill's > question to Homer Cherry. Although this booklet was privately published > (I have a numberd copy), it was reposited in the Dallas Library, and > there are some collateral inconsistencies in it disproved by later > research. Use carefully. > > Bill and Price's GGGF, Capt. Hugh Blair Johnston, would have been through > their maternal line (Nannie Blanche Partlow), back to Capt. Johnston. > > Other Daniel grandchildren (through another grandson line of Thomas) also > came into TX from AL, but into the north central part of TX, near Olney, > and I have recently received documentation on them. > > Regards, > > Anne > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > >

Jack, It was not a source. It was a note in a GEDCOM file but the interesting part was the name, William DANIEL and the location Middlesex County, VA and the only William that I know who was in Middlesex was Capt. William DANIEL. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack V Butler" <JackVButler@comcast.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] John RUSEELL 1672, Middlesex County, VA > Actually, I was curious as to the source of you note. > > Jack > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:40 PM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] John RUSEELL 1672, Middlesex County, VA > > > > Jack, > > I am sure the RUSSELL information is in the Middlesex County, VA > > records. If not, I would be greatly surprised. > > > > John R. Clarke > > Thomasville, GA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jack V Butler" <JackVButler@comcast.net> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:17 PM > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] John RUSEELL 1672, Middlesex County, VA > > > > > > > John, I would find it more interesting with a source. > > > > > > Jack > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 6:04 PM > > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] John RUSEELL 1672, Middlesex County, VA > > > > > > > > > > I thought this note I found was interesting enough to post to the > list: > > > > > > > > <<< > > > > 1672, John Russell was imported to Middlesex Co., VA by William > Daniel. > > > > William Daniel was grandson of Luke Billington, will dated Nov. 13, > > 1671, > > > > Parish of Farnham, Rappahannock Co., VA, which became Richmond > Co. ---- > > > Dr. > > > > John Russell, b. abt 1646 [?], m. Sept. 11, 1673 to Alicia Billington, > > > dau. > > > > of Luke Billington. > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > John R. Clarke > > > > Thomasville, GA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > > > > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > > > > Mail Mode: > > > > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > or- > > > > Digest Mode: > > > > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives > > at: > > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change > the subject of a reply message. > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not allowed on this list. > >

Jack, I agree, 100%. The more I think about it, the more I think there is a good possibility Abraham was a sibling of Enoch DANIEL or somewhere out of that RLD family but he could have been a son of Aaron and Betsy as most state. Notice the Ann STAFFORD who was the grandmother of Ann Eliza BIRD, Enoch's wife and we know the STAFFORDS are tied to this DANIEL bunch. At least I am reasonably sure, IOW and quite possibly Lanier-Daniels. However, the Abraham name is all through this bunch so he could have been out of the Northampton County, NC bunch. The one thing that makes me think Pitt more so than any other location is the MOORE connection. What I want to know about those TAYLORS and are they related to the TAYLORS I have in Burke, later Washington. RE: William P. TAYLOR born 1787, NC who married Amelia DANIEL born 1795, also NC. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack V Butler" <JackVButler@comcast.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] John RUSEELL 1672, Middlesex County, VA > Actually, I was curious as to the source of you note. > > Jack > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:40 PM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] John RUSEELL 1672, Middlesex County, VA > > > > Jack, > > I am sure the RUSSELL information is in the Middlesex County, VA > > records. If not, I would be greatly surprised. > > > > John R. Clarke > > Thomasville, GA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jack V Butler" <JackVButler@comcast.net> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:17 PM > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] John RUSEELL 1672, Middlesex County, VA > > > > > > > John, I would find it more interesting with a source. > > > > > > Jack > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 6:04 PM > > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] John RUSEELL 1672, Middlesex County, VA > > > > > > > > > > I thought this note I found was interesting enough to post to the > list: > > > > > > > > <<< > > > > 1672, John Russell was imported to Middlesex Co., VA by William > Daniel. > > > > William Daniel was grandson of Luke Billington, will dated Nov. 13, > > 1671, > > > > Parish of Farnham, Rappahannock Co., VA, which became Richmond > Co. ---- > > > Dr. > > > > John Russell, b. abt 1646 [?], m. Sept. 11, 1673 to Alicia Billington, > > > dau. > > > > of Luke Billington. > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > John R. Clarke > > > > Thomasville, GA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > > > > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > > > > Mail Mode: > > > > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > or- > > > > Digest Mode: > > > > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives > > at: > > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change > the subject of a reply message. > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not allowed on this list. > >

The Daniels buried at Taylor's Creek are Abraham Daniel and some of his descendants. I am pretty sure that Abraham Daniel was born in North Carolina. I would bet strongly against him being foreign born. Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: <Taosbg@aol.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Re: Bill and Price Daniel - DANIEL-D Digest V03 #475 > Story was they were buried at Taylors Creek. > Jack, I know and it has me very confused also. He is so adament. I am not > sure which 2 stories conlict in your mind, specifically. > I recently talked with him and he is full of family information but he is > old. I confess I have not looked at the old census record but he says there was > an older person in the home who was not naturalized and he is convinced this is > father of Joseph (Josephus). I do believe story that Joseph was really > Josephus, as this comes from my aunt and she was genealogist in her day and her > mind is still clear. > Gloria > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net >

Actually, I was curious as to the source of you note. Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] John RUSEELL 1672, Middlesex County, VA > Jack, > I am sure the RUSSELL information is in the Middlesex County, VA > records. If not, I would be greatly surprised. > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack V Butler" <JackVButler@comcast.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:17 PM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] John RUSEELL 1672, Middlesex County, VA > > > > John, I would find it more interesting with a source. > > > > Jack > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 6:04 PM > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] John RUSEELL 1672, Middlesex County, VA > > > > > > > I thought this note I found was interesting enough to post to the list: > > > > > > <<< > > > 1672, John Russell was imported to Middlesex Co., VA by William Daniel. > > > William Daniel was grandson of Luke Billington, will dated Nov. 13, > 1671, > > > Parish of Farnham, Rappahannock Co., VA, which became Richmond Co. ---- > > Dr. > > > John Russell, b. abt 1646 [?], m. Sept. 11, 1673 to Alicia Billington, > > dau. > > > of Luke Billington. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > John R. Clarke > > > Thomasville, GA > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > > > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > > > Mail Mode: > > > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > or- > > > Digest Mode: > > > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives > at: > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change the subject of a reply message. >

Jack, I am sure the RUSSELL information is in the Middlesex County, VA records. If not, I would be greatly surprised. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack V Butler" <JackVButler@comcast.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] John RUSEELL 1672, Middlesex County, VA > John, I would find it more interesting with a source. > > Jack > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 6:04 PM > Subject: [DANIEL-L] John RUSEELL 1672, Middlesex County, VA > > > > I thought this note I found was interesting enough to post to the list: > > > > <<< > > 1672, John Russell was imported to Middlesex Co., VA by William Daniel. > > William Daniel was grandson of Luke Billington, will dated Nov. 13, 1671, > > Parish of Farnham, Rappahannock Co., VA, which became Richmond Co. ---- > Dr. > > John Russell, b. abt 1646 [?], m. Sept. 11, 1673 to Alicia Billington, > dau. > > of Luke Billington. > > > > >>> > > > > John R. Clarke > > Thomasville, GA > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > > Mail Mode: > > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > or- > > Digest Mode: > > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > >

John, I would find it more interesting with a source. Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 6:04 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] John RUSEELL 1672, Middlesex County, VA > I thought this note I found was interesting enough to post to the list: > > <<< > 1672, John Russell was imported to Middlesex Co., VA by William Daniel. > William Daniel was grandson of Luke Billington, will dated Nov. 13, 1671, > Parish of Farnham, Rappahannock Co., VA, which became Richmond Co. ---- Dr. > John Russell, b. abt 1646 [?], m. Sept. 11, 1673 to Alicia Billington, dau. > of Luke Billington. > > >>> > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >

Story was they were buried at Taylors Creek. Jack, I know and it has me very confused also. He is so adament. I am not sure which 2 stories conlict in your mind, specifically. I recently talked with him and he is full of family information but he is old. I confess I have not looked at the old census record but he says there was an older person in the home who was not naturalized and he is convinced this is father of Joseph (Josephus). I do believe story that Joseph was really Josephus, as this comes from my aunt and she was genealogist in her day and her mind is still clear. Gloria