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    1. [DANIEL-L] The CUNNINGHAMS of Cub Creek, PA
    2. John R. Clarke
    3. Good Morning, Since we have been bouncing back and forth between various DANIEL bunches from Virginia and Eastern NC, I thought I would throw this out on the table for discussion... Last evening I spent a considerable amount of time going through List Member, Karen COTTER's, description of the CUNNINHAMS of Cub Creek, PA. Some of her information was very familiar, some of it corrected some information I already had on this family and some of it really confused me. I cannot tell you -- this information was Greek to me or that some of it did not tie into my overall bunch, it did. However, some of it seemed to tie to families that made no sense to me, whatsoever. Take for instance the Peter COFFEE family. We know some of the children of Peter COFFEE married into the family of Thomas DANIEL and Sarah BURNEY. We also know where the BURNEYS were from (Craven County, NC) and what DANIEL family they seem to connect to -- the T&E bunch. So, what was Karen doing with Peter COFFEE amongst her Cub Creek, PA CUNNINGHAM bunch. This made no sense to me. However, the profile of her CUNNINGHAM bunch matches, perfectly, with the children of Charles DANIEL (1773-1803) and Elizabeth COFFEE. This begs the questions -- if she married Charles DANIEL, was he really a son of Thomas DANIEL and Sarah BURNEY? I have no compunctions about making Charles's father, Thomas DANIEL, a Virginia DANIEL but Thomas is not even a name in that bunch nor was he even mentioned in her material. She had all of the DANIEL boys who married into her CUNNINGHAM bunch in Greene County, GA, as well as their parents, James DANIEL and Jean KELSO, but little, if anything, about this COFFEE connection. As most know, they say that James DANIEL was a son of John DANIEL III and Ann BATES of York County, VA but I get the feeling this is all wrong. I also checked to see if Payne had anything new on this Kelso-Daniel bunch and his information was so new, he did not even have them listed anywhere on his website, that I could find. <grin> I think he used to have them linked to the Middlesex DANIEL bunch, the last time I checked. I also noted her link to the COLBERTS, a name close to my bunch. She even has ties between her bunch and the WINGFIELDS and I know where that bunch was from - New Kent County, VA. However, the BURNEYS and the WINGFIELDS were also close. She even has the CARLTONS in this bunch but the Morgan County, GA CARLTON family was from Duplin County, NC but before that, they were from PA -- Chester County, PA. I just do not know about her material as to whether this information is accurate or she is confusing persons of the same name with those of an identical name but were from somewhere else. We know where the Simon BURNEYS were from -- Carven County, NC. However, the COFFEES would have probably run across the CUNNINGAMS since they both lived in PE County, VA at one point. The one thing I know about this total bunch, it smells of "Irish green" all over the place, including the COFFEES. I just do not know about some of her information nor some of the conflicts I see in some of it. The one thing I feel is -- if these DANIEL boys married that heavily into her CUNNINGHAM family in Greene County, GA then you can bet their parents, James DANIEL and Jean KELSO, probably followed them all the way from Ireland or James had parents who were from the same area in Ireland. In fact, her Samuel CUNNINGHAM married Jean KELSO after his wife died and her husband died. That, to me, is a very close family. The one thing that really caught my eye was the James CUNNINGHAM who Karen says was an early merchant in Madison, Morgan County, GA, a profession my RICHTER bunch was also in during a slightly later time frame, also in Madison. I also know this Jimmy CUNNINGHAM was also listed with Henry CARLTON in a horse racing endeavor in Madison in 1809 and the CARLTONS were also listed as being with her Cub Creek CUNNINGHAM bunch. Henry CARLTON's daughter, Lucy, also married a James Harris PONDER, Sr. (1786-1864) and he was the GGF of Lucille PONDER (1895-1973) who married my father, as his first wife. Henry's brother, John K. CARLTON married an ALDERMAN and they moved to Thomasville, Thomas County, GA. Their grand daughter, Edna Sophronia CHASTAIN, married Russell R. RENEAU (1832-1862) in 1855 in Thomasville and his sister, Mary Jane RENEAU, my GGM, married my GGF, Robert W. DANIEL in 1852 in Jefferson County, GA and their daughter, Alice E. DANIEL (1854-1924) married my grandfather, John C. RICHTER, Sr. in 1872 in Madison, GA. A Round-Robin, I do not know.... What I do know is there is not a Robert or Thomas DANIEL anywhere in sight in this Cunningham-Daniel bunch of Greene County, GA, although they match most of these DANIELS, financially, to a tee. I also do not know whether this may be a DANIEL cross-line or not. What I do know is -- a lot of collateral links she carries do not make sense to me -or- they make what I have, not make sense. I do not know which is correct. You can bet I will take a much closer look at her information. If anyone wants a copy of her information drop me a private note and I will send you a MS Word Document which contains her Cunningham information. Make sure you have MS Word on your computer because you can not view it, otherwise........... John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA

    12/02/2003 04:45:50
    1. [DANIEL-L] DANIEL/Drake Family-VA to GA-1850
    2. Brenda Joiner
    3. John, Can you or any other list member tell me anything about the Drake Family (specifically Turner Drake) that started out in VA in the 1700's and wound up in Newton Co. GA in the 1800's, in connection with our DANIEL's? Thank you. Brenda in Alabama

    12/02/2003 04:06:45
    1. Re: [DANIEL-L] John Moore family
    2. John R. Clarke
    3. Jack, JORDAN is a name all around this NC DANIEL family. I cannot tell you how many Jordan's are close to my bunch. Rev. Jordan SMITH lived next to the MARSHALLS in Jefferson County, GA. He was married to a Mary GAINER, d/o William GAINER RS-VA and Martha WILLIAMS of Petersburg, Surry County, VA, later Davisboro, Washington County, Georgia. Jordan FLANDERS, clerk of the court in Emanuel County, GA married a DANIEL and his mother was a JORDAN. The wife of Samuel TARVER, III of Richmond County, GA was a JORDAN. The wife of John TARVER of Morgan County, GA was a JORDAN, sister of Samuel's wife. The WHITFIELDS, JORDANS, WARRENS, BRYANS, WOOTENS, COUNCILLS and TARVERS were thicker than thieves and Counsel (Counsel Daniel WISE) is a middle name in my DANIEL bunch..... Another name you will see around this bunch is Warren, named for the WARREN family. JORDAN is also pronounced, JERDAN and sometimes spelled, JOURDAN. George JORDAN II and Sarah HUNT, the ancestors of these JORDANS I mentioned, died in your favorite stomping grounds, Northampton County, NC. However, their actual parents were George JORDAN III and Patience WARREN, hence the Warren connection to this bunch. To show you how close they all were, Patience's sister, Chloe WARREN, married Matthew WHITFIELD and their daughter, Elizabeth WHITFIELD, married Capt. Aaron DANIEL, who I think was either one of my GGF's or GGU's - I am not sure which. I think I can tell you the answer to that question when I find out who the parents of Chesley C. DANIEL (b. ABT 1815) of Burke County, GA, as well as the reasons for the ERWIN/IRWIN/IRVIN/ERVIN, WISE and TAYLOR connections in the first generation of my DANIEL bunch in Burke. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack V Butler" <JackVButler@comcast.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] John Moore family > Well, if all you folks studying these Moores come across the origins of > Jordan (Jurdan) Moore, born abt 1798 in North Carolina, in Upson County, GA > by 1830, and in Coffee County, AL by 1860 (and probably closer to 1850), > give me a shout. > > Jack > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 6:35 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] John Moore family > > > > Good Morning, > > John MOORE (1755-1804) did not die in Pitt County, NC. He died in > > Jefferson County, GA in 1804. He did marry Winnie HARDAMAN, as you noted. > > Winnie was the d/o Thomas HARDAMAN RS-NC and Elizabeth. Some also list > this > > John as a son of a John MOORE II and a Hannah HOLLINGSWORTH of Frederick > > County, VA but I believe this assignment is wrong. > > John MOORE was a brother of Samuel MOORE who married Arty HARDAMAN, > > Winnie's sister. I also believe both of them to be the children of Samuel > > MOORE born 1727 in Pitt County, NC, the son of Samuel MOORE (b. 1707, > > Berkeley Precinct, Princess Anne County, VA and died 1790 in Beaufort > > County, NC) and Sarah MOYE, d/o George MOYE, Sr. and UNK. > > I am unsure this Samuel and John MOORE, who married these two HARDAMAN > > girls, were the sons of this 1727 Samuel MOORE of Pitt County, NC but I am > > pretty sure they are out of this Pitt County, NC MOORE family for the > > following reason. Josiah SIRMANS also married one of these HARDAMAN girls > > and the SIRMANS, HARDAMANS, MOORES, MOYES and the DANIELS were all over > each > > other in Pitt County, NC in the 1770-1790 time frame. We also know that > > Thomas HARDAMAN moved to Beaufort Precinct, SC before his move to GA and > > some of this same DANIEL family also moved to Beaufort District, SC, as > did > > the TOMLINSONS, one of which also married one of these same HARDAMAN > girls. > > In fact, it appears my paternal DANIEL family and maternal, TOMLINSON > > family, were all over each other in Pitt County, NC in the pre-1790 time > > frame, something I never considered. > > I am sure most Wiregrass researchers who are familiar with these > > families know of the marriage of Capt. John TOMLINSON RS-SC (1750-1801) > and > > Rebecca Lucretia HARDAMAN, another HARDAMAN sister, but I am not sure they > > know of these connections extend all the way back to Pitt County, NC and > how > > these other families are also involved in this equation. > > Capt. John TOMLINSON and Rebecca Lucretia HARDAMAN are my maternal 5th > > great-grandparents. My grandmother was a TOMLINSON, a daughter of Harris > > TOMLINSON (1852-1936) and Arlia Ann Barbara DAME (1854-1940) of Tomlinson, > > Clinch County, GA. > > I am not totally against the idea that Capt. Robert Lanier DANIEL > > (1718-1794) RS-NC of Pactolus, Pitt County, NC was not my paternal 3rd > GGF. > > Somehow the CASONS also seem to fit into this equation but I do not know > > exactly how, yet. > > I do know that a daughter of John CASON, Sr. (1728-1816) and Eleanor > > PINKETT of Pitt County, NC "married a Robert DANIEL" but I am not unsure > if > > this is the same Robert C. DANIEL (ABT 1765-AFT 1830) who migrates to > Burke > > County, GA in 1812 from NC of his father, possibly Capt. RLD. Regardless, > > the person who appears to be RCD's son, Robert Williams DANIEL, Esq. > > (1809-1865) of Bethany, Jefferson County, GA was my great grandfather. > > I also know that John CASON, Sr. died in Burke County, GA in 1816. > John > > CASON, Sr. was also the father of Rachel CASON who married Colson ADAMS, > > Eleanor CASON who married James ALBRITTON, Jr., Jean CASON who married > > Colson's brother, Peter ADAMS, and Frances CASON who married John HATTON, > > another name all over these Pitt County, NC deeds. John CASON, Sr. was > the > > son of William CASON and Jane Anne CANNON of Pitt County, NC, formerly > > Princess Anne County, VA. We also know the MOORES and MOYES moved from > > Princess Anne, along with the CANNONS and CASONS, to the Beaufort County , > NC > > area and "reportedly" these MOORES of Princess Anne County, VA supposedly > > descend from a son of Gov. James MOORE of Charleston, SC. > > The best possible collateral match for this Burke County, GA DANIEL > > family appears to be Pitt, Beaufort and Northampton County, NC area. I > also > > know that my GGF, Robert W. DANIEL, cut deeds in the 1850's for Benajah A. > > MOYE, a son of Capt. George MOYE, III and Sarah BRADBURY of Pitt County, > NC > > and later, Gilberts District, Washington County, GA. I also know this > > Benajah (probably Benjamin) A. MOYE (ABT 1800-1880) married Vienna Augusta > > MARSHALL (ABT 1829-AFT 1850) on 21 Nov 1847 in Jefferson County, GA. She > > was a d/o Lewis Francis MARSHALL and Celia Ann TARVER of Jefferson County, > > GA. > > Lewis Francis MARSHALL was the son of a Joseph MARSHALL, Sr. (ABT > > 1765-BEF 1830) and an Ann (ABT 1770-1845), possibly SMITH, of Jefferson > > County, GA. I also know my GGU, James L. DANIEL (1814-1857) was the > executor > > for the estate of this Ann MARSHALL in 1845 in Jefferson County, GA. I > also > > know that Joseph MARSHALL, Sr. was living right next to Rev. Jordan SMITH > > and his wife, Mary GAINER, in Jefferson County, GA in 1820. I also > believe > > that Ann MARSHALL was Rev. SMITH's sister but I may be wrong in this > > assumption but, regardless, I feel they were related. I also believe this > > Rev. SMITH was related to the Noah SMITH, Sr, and Jr. whose SMITH family > > also seems to follow this DANIEL bunch from Burke to Jefferson County, GA. > > One of my DANIEL GGA's also married a TARVER, so this bunch seems to be > > pretty closely connected. > > One of my grand aunts, Julia R. DANIEL (b. 1842/1843) also married a > > Luther C. SMITH in Jefferson County, GA in 1859. She, her husband, my GGF > > and the family of Noah and Wylanty (WAY) SMITH, Jr. lived side by side in > > Jefferson County, GA in 1860. This tells me, family. > > Does any of this sound familiar to anyone? I am missing just one bit > of > > critical information which would tie this whole family together. It will > > not be found in POWG because we already know quite a few of the DANIEL > > assignments from this well respected work are wrong. I assume these > errors > > from this compiled work also extend to other families, as well. > > > > John R. Clarke > > Thomasville, GA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <JOANH954@aol.com> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 5:03 AM > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] John Moore family > > > > > > > from the Wiregrass List: > > > > > > Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 09:41:51 -0500 > > > From: <njw@bellsouth.net> > > > To: WIREGRASS-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: [WG] Fw: John Moore ca:1755, NC>GA > > > > > > Seeking help in finding the parents/ancestors of John Moore SR., b: abt > > 1755 > > > in Pitt Co., NC, and died there > > > in 1815. John was married to Winifred(Winnie) Hardeman in St. Georges > > > Parrish, Burke Co., GA. John and > > > Winnie had the following children; > > > Thomas Moore > > > Caleb Moore, b: 1760 > > > John Moore Jr., b: 1785 > > > Spencer Moore, b: 1800 > > > > > > Any help you may be able to provide will be gratefully appreciated. I > > have a > > > lot of info on Johns descendents > > > if anyone needs help. TIA. > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives > > at: > > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change > the subject of a reply message. > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? 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    12/02/2003 02:47:55
    1. Re: [DANIEL-L] John Russell imported by Wm. Daniell
    2. John R. Clarke
    3. Wanda, I appreciate your interest but if I was going to write a book it sure would not be on one of my families. It would be on a subject that would pay, like sex and the single girl, some dark, hidden family secret or something like that and not something as mundane as either or our genealogical descent. <grin> That, is the one thing missing from most of these books, a story full of romance with a plot. There is an old saying that when history is told properly, there is no need for romance. There is also an old saying that says a child's education begins 200 years before they are born. All of this may play into genealogy in one way or another, but none of these folks who write these sorts of genealogy books are journalists and that, my dear, is what I am - 500-1,000 words, ending with two-bits and a nickel. As for the "story telling" part of these types of books, they are full of them, but we call them lies and wishful thinking, where I come from. <grin> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: <WANDABUG1@aol.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] John Russell imported by Wm. Daniell > John, I'm waiting for YOUR book! Wanda > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not allowed on this list. > >

    12/02/2003 02:18:18
    1. Re: [DANIEL-L] Re: Bill and Price Daniel - DANIEL-D Digest V03 #475
    2. John R. Clarke
    3. Ruth, The only MAYFIELD I have in my database was around the BYRON/BYROMS of Greene County, GA. John Smith Davenport BYROM (1798-1837) married Nancy FITZPATRICK, d/o Rene FITZPATRICK and Mary "Mollie" HARDWICK of Greene County, GA. Rene was the brother of Capt. Benjamin FITZPATRICK RS-VA (1745-1821) whose FITZPATRICK line ties into my DANIEL-RICHTER bunch in Morgan County, GA in 1903. Rene and Ben were the sons of Joseph FITZPATRICK and Mary Perrin WOODSON of Fluvanna County, VA. My aunt married one of these Capt. Benjamin FITZPATRICK descendants, Henry Harris FITZPATRICK, Sr. (1863-1934) His FITZPATRICK linage -- [Capt. William Benjamin and Adeline CALLAWAY, James and Sarah HARRIS, Capt. Benjamin and Sarah JONES, Joseph and Mary P. WOODSON, William, Sr. the Immigrant and Sarah Jane BRECKENRIDGE]....... John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Newlan" <ruthann@saw.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Re: Bill and Price Daniel - DANIEL-D Digest V03 #475 > Hi Anne: > > Do you have any idea where George Daniel got "Mayfield" as a middle name? > > Thanks - Ruth in Portland, OR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anne W O'Brien" <aobtx@juno.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 12:50 PM > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Re: Bill and Price Daniel - DANIEL-D Digest V03 #475 > > > > Sherlene: > > > > Your and your Uncle Homer are correct - there is no known or documented > > evidence in this Daniel line (descended from Thomas Daniel, B. 1786, GA) > > to any Cherry or deCherie that I can find. I checked again, and although > > I' still stymied on 1786 Thomas' parentage, some of the earlier > > collaterals to this Daniel line were French Huguenot immigrants into VA, > > as were your deCherie/Cherry ancestors, but there appears to be no > > connection other than that early location in VA. > > > > I believe the inquiry by Bill was precipitated by the fact that the > > Cherry plantation established in 1818 with a Spanish land grant, in what > > was later to be Montgomery Co, TX, before the Stephen F. Austin > > Expeditions, was purchased sometime around (when - early 1900s?) by > > Daniel family descendants, whose common grandfather, George Mayfield > > Daniel, two of his brothers and a sister (all grandchildren of the 1786 > > Thomas) first came to Montgomery Co in ca. 1868, after the Civil War. In > > the late 1950s or early 1960s, a little booklet, the "History of the > > Daniel Family in Texas" by my great aunt, Zonetta Almond Daniel Devine > > (youngest daughter of George Mayfield Daniel), was written about this > > Texas part of this Daniel line, from which Bill, Price, others and I are > > directly descended, and her research may have precipitated Bill's > > question to Homer Cherry. Although this booklet was privately published > > (I have a numberd copy), it was reposited in the Dallas Library, and > > there are some collateral inconsistencies in it disproved by later > > research. Use carefully. > > > > Bill and Price's GGGF, Capt. Hugh Blair Johnston, would have been through > > their maternal line (Nannie Blanche Partlow), back to Capt. Johnston. > > > > Other Daniel grandchildren (through another grandson line of Thomas) also > > came into TX from AL, but into the north central part of TX, near Olney, > > and I have recently received documentation on them. > > > > Regards, > > > > Anne > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > > Mail Mode: > > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > or- > > Digest Mode: > > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > >

    12/02/2003 01:47:11
    1. Re: [DANIEL-L] Re: Bill and Price Daniel - Waco, TX
    2. John R. Clarke
    3. Ruth, My girl, how are you doing? Waco, you say. My uncle, William Charles RICHTER (1873-1945) moved to Waco, McLennan County, TX ABT 1900 and married a Lilli THOMPSON out there ABT 1900. Lilli (1874-1965) was Catholic, so this probably meant she descended from one of those early TX families. Willie and Lilli are buried in Oakwood Cemetery, Waco, McLennan County, TX. Is that close enough for you? All I know about Willie is he was a clerk in the Richter stores in Madison, GA before he left. They had one son, Charles Montgomery RICHTER (1902-1981) who married Mildred LAZENBY (b. 1908) who was still alive the last time I heard and still living in Waco. Charles, my first cousin, and Mildred had one daughter, Rosanne RICHTER (1929-1953) who was killed in an automobile accident in Lubbock, TX in 1953 and buried, there. I do have a picture of Willie, Lilli and Rosanne taken ABT 1942. . John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Newlan" <ruthann@saw.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Re: Bill and Price Daniel - Waco, TX > OK - there you go! I knew someone out here had mentioned their Daniel's > being from Waco or Liberty Co., TX. One of my Daniel's line goes to Waco in > late 1880's & was a well known Baptist Minister in the area & was missionary > to Cuba and Brazil - but Waco was his home. He was Charles Davis Daniel who > married Lena Kirk. > > I have several aunt's and uncle's that would be highly upset (fighting mad > would be more like it) to be told that they weren't kid to Price Daniel, > anyway - don't know about Bill. Oh, brother! They just won't hear any part > of it not being so. They are very old - so, I don't get them upset by > talking about facts. I've looked for the connection - but, if there was > one - it's back further than Price or his father. > > - Ruth in Portland, OR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack V Butler" <JackVButler@comcast.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 2:43 PM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Re: Bill and Price Daniel - DANIEL-D Digest V03 #475 > > > > Gloria, if I remember correctly, you family story also says that your > > ancestor is from the Liberty County group - and that he is buried in > Liberty > > County. > > > > I do not see any way that both stories can be true. > > > > Jack Butler > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Taosbg@aol.com> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 5:22 PM > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Re: Bill and Price Daniel - DANIEL-D Digest V03 > #475 > > > > > > > Anne, > > > I was interested in seeing you mention the French Huguenots as > collaterals > > of > > > the Daniel line. > > > My Daniel cousin took the DNA and he matched Lucy's line and was a > > mutation > > > off a couple of others. He will not be moved from the story his > > grandfather > > > told him of their grandpa Joseph's (Josephus) father being French and > > fighting at > > > the seige of Savannah. He deserterd and stayed in this country. > > > My cousin feels the story goes back far enough it must be true. > > > Gloria > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives > > at: > > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives > at: > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >

    12/02/2003 01:30:11
    1. Re: [DANIEL-L] John Russell imported by Wm. Daniell
    2. John, I'm waiting for YOUR book! Wanda

    12/02/2003 01:27:28
    1. Re: [DANIEL-L] John Russell imported by Wm. Daniell
    2. John R. Clarke
    3. Jack, The profession of this 1672 John RUSSELL was listed as being a doctor, not a domestic. I also wonder if that Joane YOUNGE listed in Pam's transcription of this document is really John YOUNG. I do not remember ever reading where they gave land grants if someone imported a lady and Joane is definitely a ladies name. The William COCKE also listed on this document as one of these 1672 "importees" also makes me think this boy was also not a domestic because the COCKES were one of the First Families of VA. I tend to think they all were either children, cousins or unrelated persons of the same name as those of already existing VA families who Capt. Bill brought over to the colonies in 1672. As I remember, they only gave land grants for people whose migration would benefit the colony, one way or another, in a professional sense. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack V Butler" <JackVButler@comcast.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] John Russell imported by Wm. Daniell > Yep, and I found a boy named John Russell on a list of persons arriving the > James and the Revenge in 1632. This same boy appears on the list of > "general accompts" as a kitchen servant "imloyed in the kitchen to beate the > corne". And there was another John Russell listed as a passenger on the > Africa in 1636. > > There were undoubtedly multiple John Russells, but as Ken pointed out, it > was routine to find the same person listed on several different grants - > sometimes the same list of people would appear on grants in different > counties. > > Jack > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <daniellk@bellsouth.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 12:46 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] John Russell imported by Wm. Daniell > > > > I checked the volumes cited by Kevin. While William Daniell's 1672 patent > > was based on a headright for the transport of 3 persons, including John > > Russell, that record, by itself, does not establish that William Daniell > personally transported Russell. Headright patents can be the source of > considerable misinterpretation. The person who actually transported a group > > of individuals could sell or trade the associated entitlement to acres to > > others to settle a debt or convert it to cash. The headrights served as > a form > > of quasi-currency and could change hands multiple times over a period of > years. > > Consider the fact that the Nugent Vol. II also contains a reference to a > patent > > a few months after the one in 1672, which was to Mr. Tho. Hall and Jno. > Pigg > > based on the transport of 77 persons including John Russell, William > Daniell, > > and Mary Daniell [p. 143]. Then, three years later Lieut. Col. Cad. Jones > & > > Mr. David Jones received a patent based on the transport of 282 persons, > > including John Russell and William Daniell, but not Mary Daniell [Nugent, > p. 191]. There are an additional six patents based on the transport of an > > individual named John Russell prior to 1672 and another four after 1672 > (one as > > late as 1694), none with William Daniell. In Cavaliers & Pioneers Vol. I, > there > > are another five patents based on transport of an individual named John > Russell. > > One of those was as early as 1635, and another, in 1653, which granted > Col. > > William Clayborne acreage based on the the transport of 100 persons, > including > > John Russell and Joane Younge (remember that was one of the two other > names in > > the William Daniell patent of 1672). In this single volume there are no > less > > than 13 patents issued over a 28 year period based on the transport of two > or > > more individuals named John Russell (one was a Junior). It would take > careful > > study and analysis of these references to begin to accurately sort out > them out. > > > > To further complicate matters, in Adventurers of Purse & Person > 1607-1624/5, by > > Virginia M. Meyer and John Frederick Dorman, p. 31, there is even > reference to > > a John Russell in James City, VA on 24 January 1624. This John Russell, > one of > > the servants of Mr. Edward Blaney, was age 19 at the time and had come to > Virginia in the Bona Nova. > > > > Ken > > > > > > From: "P. A. Miller" <gen@pamiller.net> > > > Date: 2003/12/01 Mon PM 10:46:20 EST > > > To: DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] John Russell imported by Wm. Daniell > > > > > > Hi, folks, > > > > > > Kevin W. Q. Daniel wrote: > > > > > > > Does anyone on the list have access to these books to see if one of > > > > these John Russell's was imported by William Daniel? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, below is my transcription of the original patent (available at > > > http://lvaimage.lib.va.us). The bounding words Smyth, Indian Bridge, > the red > > > and white oaks, and Potter are in later grants and deeds bounding next > to land > > > of _Capt._ William Daniell. I can't remember if or how a > Russell/Daniell > > > relationship got started in this thread (what can I tell you, I can only > lurk at > > > the speed of light right now), but I've extracted all the Daniel entries > from > > > and there is no mention of a Russell dealing with a Daniell in Hopkins' > > > _Middlesex County, Virginia Wills and Inventories 1673-1812 and Other > Court > > > Papers_, nor in the Christ Church Parish Registers. > > > > > > Virginia Land Office, Land Grants and Patents, Pat Bk 6, P 415. " To all > & c. > > > Whereas & c. Now know yee that I the said Sr. Wm. Berkeley & c. do give > and > > > Grant unto Wm. Daniell one hundred & fifteen acres of land situated in > Middlesex > > > Co. by the Indian bridge branch dividing this land and the land of Alex > Murray > > > beginning at a marked white oak standing by the side of the Indian > bridge branch > > > opposite to the corner poplar of Alex Murray and in the line of Mr. > Alexander > > > Smyth and running along the sd Smyth's line So. E. by E. 156 poles to a > corner > > > red oak of the said Smyth thence So. So. W. to the rim of the green > swamp als. > > > Dragon Swamp, thence up the runn of the sd. swamp to the mouth of the > Indian > > > bridge branch and up the runn of the sd. branch to the first mentioned > tree, wch > > > sd 115 acres of land is part of the 190 acres granted unto Lieut. > Colonell > > > Cutbert Potter by order of the generall Court bearing date the 21th. day > of Apr > > > 1668 and by the sd. Potter sould and assigned to the sd. Daniell and is > now due > > > unto the sd Daniell by and for the transportation of three persons into > this > > > Colony whose names are mentioned on the Record under this Patt. To have > and to > > > hold &c. To be held &c. Yeilding & Paying &c Provided &c. Dated the > fiveth of > > > Oct 1672. Anne Rs. Car. 2d. 24 John Russell - Wm Cocke - Joane Younge [= > the > > > three persons he imported which entitled him to the land grant]." > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Pam in CA > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > > > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > > > Mail Mode: > > > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > or- > > > Digest Mode: > > > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives > at: > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >

    12/02/2003 01:15:11
    1. Re: [DANIEL-L] John Moore family
    2. Jack V Butler
    3. Well, if all you folks studying these Moores come across the origins of Jordan (Jurdan) Moore, born abt 1798 in North Carolina, in Upson County, GA by 1830, and in Coffee County, AL by 1860 (and probably closer to 1850), give me a shout. Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 6:35 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] John Moore family > Good Morning, > John MOORE (1755-1804) did not die in Pitt County, NC. He died in > Jefferson County, GA in 1804. He did marry Winnie HARDAMAN, as you noted. > Winnie was the d/o Thomas HARDAMAN RS-NC and Elizabeth. Some also list this > John as a son of a John MOORE II and a Hannah HOLLINGSWORTH of Frederick > County, VA but I believe this assignment is wrong. > John MOORE was a brother of Samuel MOORE who married Arty HARDAMAN, > Winnie's sister. I also believe both of them to be the children of Samuel > MOORE born 1727 in Pitt County, NC, the son of Samuel MOORE (b. 1707, > Berkeley Precinct, Princess Anne County, VA and died 1790 in Beaufort > County, NC) and Sarah MOYE, d/o George MOYE, Sr. and UNK. > I am unsure this Samuel and John MOORE, who married these two HARDAMAN > girls, were the sons of this 1727 Samuel MOORE of Pitt County, NC but I am > pretty sure they are out of this Pitt County, NC MOORE family for the > following reason. Josiah SIRMANS also married one of these HARDAMAN girls > and the SIRMANS, HARDAMANS, MOORES, MOYES and the DANIELS were all over each > other in Pitt County, NC in the 1770-1790 time frame. We also know that > Thomas HARDAMAN moved to Beaufort Precinct, SC before his move to GA and > some of this same DANIEL family also moved to Beaufort District, SC, as did > the TOMLINSONS, one of which also married one of these same HARDAMAN girls. > In fact, it appears my paternal DANIEL family and maternal, TOMLINSON > family, were all over each other in Pitt County, NC in the pre-1790 time > frame, something I never considered. > I am sure most Wiregrass researchers who are familiar with these > families know of the marriage of Capt. John TOMLINSON RS-SC (1750-1801) and > Rebecca Lucretia HARDAMAN, another HARDAMAN sister, but I am not sure they > know of these connections extend all the way back to Pitt County, NC and how > these other families are also involved in this equation. > Capt. John TOMLINSON and Rebecca Lucretia HARDAMAN are my maternal 5th > great-grandparents. My grandmother was a TOMLINSON, a daughter of Harris > TOMLINSON (1852-1936) and Arlia Ann Barbara DAME (1854-1940) of Tomlinson, > Clinch County, GA. > I am not totally against the idea that Capt. Robert Lanier DANIEL > (1718-1794) RS-NC of Pactolus, Pitt County, NC was not my paternal 3rd GGF. > Somehow the CASONS also seem to fit into this equation but I do not know > exactly how, yet. > I do know that a daughter of John CASON, Sr. (1728-1816) and Eleanor > PINKETT of Pitt County, NC "married a Robert DANIEL" but I am not unsure if > this is the same Robert C. DANIEL (ABT 1765-AFT 1830) who migrates to Burke > County, GA in 1812 from NC of his father, possibly Capt. RLD. Regardless, > the person who appears to be RCD's son, Robert Williams DANIEL, Esq. > (1809-1865) of Bethany, Jefferson County, GA was my great grandfather. > I also know that John CASON, Sr. died in Burke County, GA in 1816. John > CASON, Sr. was also the father of Rachel CASON who married Colson ADAMS, > Eleanor CASON who married James ALBRITTON, Jr., Jean CASON who married > Colson's brother, Peter ADAMS, and Frances CASON who married John HATTON, > another name all over these Pitt County, NC deeds. John CASON, Sr. was the > son of William CASON and Jane Anne CANNON of Pitt County, NC, formerly > Princess Anne County, VA. We also know the MOORES and MOYES moved from > Princess Anne, along with the CANNONS and CASONS, to the Beaufort County, NC > area and "reportedly" these MOORES of Princess Anne County, VA supposedly > descend from a son of Gov. James MOORE of Charleston, SC. > The best possible collateral match for this Burke County, GA DANIEL > family appears to be Pitt, Beaufort and Northampton County, NC area. I also > know that my GGF, Robert W. DANIEL, cut deeds in the 1850's for Benajah A. > MOYE, a son of Capt. George MOYE, III and Sarah BRADBURY of Pitt County, NC > and later, Gilberts District, Washington County, GA. I also know this > Benajah (probably Benjamin) A. MOYE (ABT 1800-1880) married Vienna Augusta > MARSHALL (ABT 1829-AFT 1850) on 21 Nov 1847 in Jefferson County, GA. She > was a d/o Lewis Francis MARSHALL and Celia Ann TARVER of Jefferson County, > GA. > Lewis Francis MARSHALL was the son of a Joseph MARSHALL, Sr. (ABT > 1765-BEF 1830) and an Ann (ABT 1770-1845), possibly SMITH, of Jefferson > County, GA. I also know my GGU, James L. DANIEL (1814-1857) was the executor > for the estate of this Ann MARSHALL in 1845 in Jefferson County, GA. I also > know that Joseph MARSHALL, Sr. was living right next to Rev. Jordan SMITH > and his wife, Mary GAINER, in Jefferson County, GA in 1820. I also believe > that Ann MARSHALL was Rev. SMITH's sister but I may be wrong in this > assumption but, regardless, I feel they were related. I also believe this > Rev. SMITH was related to the Noah SMITH, Sr, and Jr. whose SMITH family > also seems to follow this DANIEL bunch from Burke to Jefferson County, GA. > One of my DANIEL GGA's also married a TARVER, so this bunch seems to be > pretty closely connected. > One of my grand aunts, Julia R. DANIEL (b. 1842/1843) also married a > Luther C. SMITH in Jefferson County, GA in 1859. She, her husband, my GGF > and the family of Noah and Wylanty (WAY) SMITH, Jr. lived side by side in > Jefferson County, GA in 1860. This tells me, family. > Does any of this sound familiar to anyone? I am missing just one bit of > critical information which would tie this whole family together. It will > not be found in POWG because we already know quite a few of the DANIEL > assignments from this well respected work are wrong. I assume these errors > from this compiled work also extend to other families, as well. > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <JOANH954@aol.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 5:03 AM > Subject: [DANIEL-L] John Moore family > > > > from the Wiregrass List: > > > > Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 09:41:51 -0500 > > From: <njw@bellsouth.net> > > To: WIREGRASS-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [WG] Fw: John Moore ca:1755, NC>GA > > > > Seeking help in finding the parents/ancestors of John Moore SR., b: abt > 1755 > > in Pitt Co., NC, and died there > > in 1815. John was married to Winifred(Winnie) Hardeman in St. Georges > > Parrish, Burke Co., GA. John and > > Winnie had the following children; > > Thomas Moore > > Caleb Moore, b: 1760 > > John Moore Jr., b: 1785 > > Spencer Moore, b: 1800 > > > > Any help you may be able to provide will be gratefully appreciated. I > have a > > lot of info on Johns descendents > > if anyone needs help. TIA. > > > > Jay > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives > at: > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change the subject of a reply message. >

    12/02/2003 12:55:52
    1. Re: [DANIEL-L] Re: DANIEL-D Digest V03 #477
    2. John R. Clarke
    3. Anne, It does not give a date for these claims. Do you have a date for this Southern Claims Commission? As for the name, Matthew, we know that Matthew is a big name around some of this DANIEL bunch, don't we? One of the names that really did interest me were the McCOYS because the McCOYS were one of the original settlers of Brownwood Community, Morgan County, GA, which is located right next to Durdin's District, Morgan County, GA where my grandparents had a farm in the 1880-1920 time frame. I also know that a McCOY married one of my key DANIEL collaterals. I also know that two McCANS were located right next to the person I think was my grandmother's grandfather (Robert C. DANIEL) in 1820 in Burke County, GA. Were these McCANS really McCOYS? That, I do not know. In fact, this district in Morgan County, GA was named for a John DURDIN and a John DURDIN, probably his son, lived right across from my grandparents in 1900. A DURDIN family still lives in that area. FYI, John DURDIN was a State Representative in the 1850 time frame, representing Morgan County, GA in the GA legislature. I also know my grandmother, Alice E. DANIEL, did not buy the land she and her husband lived on (LD 19, LL 74 in Morgan County, GA, originally part of Baldwin County, GA) which meant she inherited it from someone else. I also know she did not inherit it from her father, Robert W. DANIEL of Jefferson County, GA, that I can tell. I also know this John DURDIN (the senior) went bankrupt in 1873 and his land was sold at auction in Morgan County, GA but he "miraculously" was able to buy it back from the creditors for $700 at this courthouse auction, arranged by one of the FOSTER boys. This $700 was also the exact same amount that Alice inherited from her father's estate in 1867. Was this money DURDINS or hers, that, I do not know. However, what I do know is that by 1895 she owned this land in "fee simple" because she deeded part of it for a church which she built and named this new church, Milton Chapel, in honor of one of her infant sons who had died in 1891. However, there is no grantee, grantor entry for this land, so how did she get it. This new church, Milton Chapel (1895-ABT 1940), was chartered as a non-denominational Protestant Church but Alice and her husband, John RICHTER, Sr., were members of the Presbyterian Church in Madison and were not even members of this new church. I am afraid this may remain a mystery but maybe Marshall WILLIAMS, archivist of Morgan County, GA, will find some tid-bit that will help to solve how Alice got this land. FYI, Milton Abbott RICHTER, was my father's older brother and he died at the age of three in 1891 and she built this church in his memory. I wish I had the foresight to sit down with my father and discuss genealogy with him when I was a boy but 30 years after his death is a little late. I do remember a few things here and there but not enough for me to make any sense of it all. However, I do know the ANDREWS family of Morgan County, GA were related to my DANIEL bunch. That is from one of my cousins which is one of the reasons I look very closely at the RLD family. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne W O'Brien" <aobtx@juno.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 10:19 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Re: DANIEL-D Digest V03 #477 > John: > > Clue on the PRICE name noted. Check out Matthew DURDEN, Claim No. 7730 at > URL below: > > http://www.genealogy-quest.com/collections/sclaims.html > > Anne > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > >

    12/02/2003 12:54:38
    1. Re: [DANIEL-L] John Russell imported by Wm. Daniell
    2. Jack V Butler
    3. Yep, and I found a boy named John Russell on a list of persons arriving the James and the Revenge in 1632. This same boy appears on the list of "general accompts" as a kitchen servant "imloyed in the kitchen to beate the corne". And there was another John Russell listed as a passenger on the Africa in 1636. There were undoubtedly multiple John Russells, but as Ken pointed out, it was routine to find the same person listed on several different grants - sometimes the same list of people would appear on grants in different counties. Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: <daniellk@bellsouth.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 12:46 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] John Russell imported by Wm. Daniell > I checked the volumes cited by Kevin. While William Daniell's 1672 patent > was based on a headright for the transport of 3 persons, including John > Russell, that record, by itself, does not establish that William Daniell personally transported Russell. Headright patents can be the source of considerable misinterpretation. The person who actually transported a group > of individuals could sell or trade the associated entitlement to acres to > others to settle a debt or convert it to cash. The headrights served as a form > of quasi-currency and could change hands multiple times over a period of years. > Consider the fact that the Nugent Vol. II also contains a reference to a patent > a few months after the one in 1672, which was to Mr. Tho. Hall and Jno. Pigg > based on the transport of 77 persons including John Russell, William Daniell, > and Mary Daniell [p. 143]. Then, three years later Lieut. Col. Cad. Jones & > Mr. David Jones received a patent based on the transport of 282 persons, > including John Russell and William Daniell, but not Mary Daniell [Nugent, p. 191]. There are an additional six patents based on the transport of an > individual named John Russell prior to 1672 and another four after 1672 (one as > late as 1694), none with William Daniell. In Cavaliers & Pioneers Vol. I, there > are another five patents based on transport of an individual named John Russell. > One of those was as early as 1635, and another, in 1653, which granted Col. > William Clayborne acreage based on the the transport of 100 persons, including > John Russell and Joane Younge (remember that was one of the two other names in > the William Daniell patent of 1672). In this single volume there are no less > than 13 patents issued over a 28 year period based on the transport of two or > more individuals named John Russell (one was a Junior). It would take careful > study and analysis of these references to begin to accurately sort out them out. > > To further complicate matters, in Adventurers of Purse & Person 1607-1624/5, by > Virginia M. Meyer and John Frederick Dorman, p. 31, there is even reference to > a John Russell in James City, VA on 24 January 1624. This John Russell, one of > the servants of Mr. Edward Blaney, was age 19 at the time and had come to Virginia in the Bona Nova. > > Ken > > > > From: "P. A. Miller" <gen@pamiller.net> > > Date: 2003/12/01 Mon PM 10:46:20 EST > > To: DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] John Russell imported by Wm. Daniell > > > > Hi, folks, > > > > Kevin W. Q. Daniel wrote: > > > > > Does anyone on the list have access to these books to see if one of > > > these John Russell's was imported by William Daniel? > > > > > > > > > Yes, below is my transcription of the original patent (available at > > http://lvaimage.lib.va.us). The bounding words Smyth, Indian Bridge, the red > > and white oaks, and Potter are in later grants and deeds bounding next to land > > of _Capt._ William Daniell. I can't remember if or how a Russell/Daniell > > relationship got started in this thread (what can I tell you, I can only lurk at > > the speed of light right now), but I've extracted all the Daniel entries from > > and there is no mention of a Russell dealing with a Daniell in Hopkins' > > _Middlesex County, Virginia Wills and Inventories 1673-1812 and Other Court > > Papers_, nor in the Christ Church Parish Registers. > > > > Virginia Land Office, Land Grants and Patents, Pat Bk 6, P 415. " To all & c. > > Whereas & c. Now know yee that I the said Sr. Wm. Berkeley & c. do give and > > Grant unto Wm. Daniell one hundred & fifteen acres of land situated in Middlesex > > Co. by the Indian bridge branch dividing this land and the land of Alex Murray > > beginning at a marked white oak standing by the side of the Indian bridge branch > > opposite to the corner poplar of Alex Murray and in the line of Mr. Alexander > > Smyth and running along the sd Smyth's line So. E. by E. 156 poles to a corner > > red oak of the said Smyth thence So. So. W. to the rim of the green swamp als. > > Dragon Swamp, thence up the runn of the sd. swamp to the mouth of the Indian > > bridge branch and up the runn of the sd. branch to the first mentioned tree, wch > > sd 115 acres of land is part of the 190 acres granted unto Lieut. Colonell > > Cutbert Potter by order of the generall Court bearing date the 21th. day of Apr > > 1668 and by the sd. Potter sould and assigned to the sd. Daniell and is now due > > unto the sd Daniell by and for the transportation of three persons into this > > Colony whose names are mentioned on the Record under this Patt. To have and to > > hold &c. To be held &c. Yeilding & Paying &c Provided &c. Dated the fiveth of > > Oct 1672. Anne Rs. Car. 2d. 24 John Russell - Wm Cocke - Joane Younge [= the > > three persons he imported which entitled him to the land grant]." > > > > Regards, > > > > Pam in CA > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > > Mail Mode: > > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > or- > > Digest Mode: > > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL >

    12/02/2003 12:39:17
    1. Re: [DANIEL-L] John Russell imported by Wm. Daniell
    2. John R. Clarke
    3. Pam, Yes, with all of my POTTER connections, I have looked at Brother Cuthbert POTTER before. I also saw how they cheated him out of his land in VA and how he then fled to Barbados and died, there a year or so later. However, I never could connect him up to my POTTERS of St. Croix but cannot discount any connection to this POTTER family. Early colonial POTTERS were located primarily in New England (New Haven, CT was a hot spot) and NJ (Monmouth County, NJ was a hot spot) with a few others floating around eastern NC, Charleston, SC and the Islands. John POTTER (1765-1849) of Charleston has always been of interest to me because of the name, John POTTER, which floats around my POTTER bunch as an uncle of my GGM, Anne Eliza POTTER (1808-1863), d/o Sir Arthur POTTER and Margaret WHITE of St. Croix. This John POTTER of Charleston married a Sarah FULLER and he was from Ireland, according to Alice GEDGE. This also matches the location (Ireland) I think was the original location of these Middlesex DANIELS, based upon the BILLINGTON assignment. Where it all leads, I do not know. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "P. A. Miller" <gen@pamiller.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 10:46 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] John Russell imported by Wm. Daniell > Hi, folks, > > Kevin W. Q. Daniel wrote: > > > Does anyone on the list have access to these books to see if one of > > these John Russell's was imported by William Daniel? > > > > > Yes, below is my transcription of the original patent (available at > http://lvaimage.lib.va.us). The bounding words Smyth, Indian Bridge, the red > and white oaks, and Potter are in later grants and deeds bounding next to land > of _Capt._ William Daniell. I can't remember if or how a Russell/Daniell > relationship got started in this thread (what can I tell you, I can only lurk at > the speed of light right now), but I've extracted all the Daniel entries from > and there is no mention of a Russell dealing with a Daniell in Hopkins' > _Middlesex County, Virginia Wills and Inventories 1673-1812 and Other Court > Papers_, nor in the Christ Church Parish Registers. > > Virginia Land Office, Land Grants and Patents, Pat Bk 6, P 415. " To all & c. > Whereas & c. Now know yee that I the said Sr. Wm. Berkeley & c. do give and > Grant unto Wm. Daniell one hundred & fifteen acres of land situated in Middlesex > Co. by the Indian bridge branch dividing this land and the land of Alex Murray > beginning at a marked white oak standing by the side of the Indian bridge branch > opposite to the corner poplar of Alex Murray and in the line of Mr. Alexander > Smyth and running along the sd Smyth's line So. E. by E. 156 poles to a corner > red oak of the said Smyth thence So. So. W. to the rim of the green swamp als. > Dragon Swamp, thence up the runn of the sd. swamp to the mouth of the Indian > bridge branch and up the runn of the sd. branch to the first mentioned tree, wch > sd 115 acres of land is part of the 190 acres granted unto Lieut. Colonell > Cutbert Potter by order of the generall Court bearing date the 21th. day of Apr > 1668 and by the sd. Potter sould and assigned to the sd. Daniell and is now due > unto the sd Daniell by and for the transportation of three persons into this > Colony whose names are mentioned on the Record under this Patt. To have and to > hold &c. To be held &c. Yeilding & Paying &c Provided &c. Dated the fiveth of > Oct 1672. Anne Rs. Car. 2d. 24 John Russell - Wm Cocke - Joane Younge [= the > three persons he imported which entitled him to the land grant]." > > Regards, > > Pam in CA > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >

    12/02/2003 12:13:56
    1. Re: [DANIEL-L] John Russell imported by Wm. Daniell
    2. John R. Clarke
    3. Ken, Swindling the government is nothing new, then or now. <grin> However, this John RUSSELL was supposedly a doctor and it would have been rather difficult to pass off a local man servant as a doctor in those times. Today, it might not be as difficult as it was them. <grin> What this John RUSSELL could have been was a son of one of these earlier John RUSSELLS who went back to England or Ireland for their education and Capt. Bill brought him and his new wife, if he had one, back to the colonies. I also tend to think, as I have said, previously, that Ireland is the place to look for this Middlesex DANIEL bunch if Luke BILLINGTON was Capt. Bill's grandfather. I would also beat that McCARTY family to death to see if Capt. Bill's wife was out of that bunch, too. As for a lot of the information one sees in some of these books, I think a serious researcher needs to go back and look at the original documents and not rely on this printed information. There are just too many errors in some of this stuff because many of the persons who write these sort of books have no idea, whatsoever, how these families are laid out and this causes all too many errors in spelling, names, locations, etc. Whatever their research would gain from their impartiality is lost because they do not have a general understanding of these families and w/o that a lot of very important information is lost. Then, we have the slanted research which references primary source information that either does not exist or one which is open to interpretation, as you referenced. This is why you have to go back to the originals and not rely upon what this or that person stated was the wording in a particular document. That is, if you are seriously interested in this DANIEL line........ John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: <daniellk@bellsouth.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 12:46 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] John Russell imported by Wm. Daniell > I checked the volumes cited by Kevin. While William Daniell's 1672 patent > was based on a headright for the transport of 3 persons, including John > Russell, that record, by itself, does not establish that William Daniell personally transported Russell. Headright patents can be the source of considerable misinterpretation. The person who actually transported a group > of individuals could sell or trade the associated entitlement to acres to > others to settle a debt or convert it to cash. The headrights served as a form > of quasi-currency and could change hands multiple times over a period of years. > Consider the fact that the Nugent Vol. II also contains a reference to a patent > a few months after the one in 1672, which was to Mr. Tho. Hall and Jno. Pigg > based on the transport of 77 persons including John Russell, William Daniell, > and Mary Daniell [p. 143]. Then, three years later Lieut. Col. Cad. Jones & > Mr. David Jones received a patent based on the transport of 282 persons, > including John Russell and William Daniell, but not Mary Daniell [Nugent, p. 191]. There are an additional six patents based on the transport of an > individual named John Russell prior to 1672 and another four after 1672 (one as > late as 1694), none with William Daniell. In Cavaliers & Pioneers Vol. I, there > are another five patents based on transport of an individual named John Russell. > One of those was as early as 1635, and another, in 1653, which granted Col. > William Clayborne acreage based on the the transport of 100 persons, including > John Russell and Joane Younge (remember that was one of the two other names in > the William Daniell patent of 1672). In this single volume there are no less > than 13 patents issued over a 28 year period based on the transport of two or > more individuals named John Russell (one was a Junior). It would take careful > study and analysis of these references to begin to accurately sort out them out. > > To further complicate matters, in Adventurers of Purse & Person 1607-1624/5, by > Virginia M. Meyer and John Frederick Dorman, p. 31, there is even reference to > a John Russell in James City, VA on 24 January 1624. This John Russell, one of > the servants of Mr. Edward Blaney, was age 19 at the time and had come to Virginia in the Bona Nova. > > Ken > > > > From: "P. A. Miller" <gen@pamiller.net> > > Date: 2003/12/01 Mon PM 10:46:20 EST > > To: DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] John Russell imported by Wm. Daniell > > > > Hi, folks, > > > > Kevin W. Q. Daniel wrote: > > > > > Does anyone on the list have access to these books to see if one of > > > these John Russell's was imported by William Daniel? > > > > > > > > > Yes, below is my transcription of the original patent (available at > > http://lvaimage.lib.va.us). The bounding words Smyth, Indian Bridge, the red > > and white oaks, and Potter are in later grants and deeds bounding next to land > > of _Capt._ William Daniell. I can't remember if or how a Russell/Daniell > > relationship got started in this thread (what can I tell you, I can only lurk at > > the speed of light right now), but I've extracted all the Daniel entries from > > and there is no mention of a Russell dealing with a Daniell in Hopkins' > > _Middlesex County, Virginia Wills and Inventories 1673-1812 and Other Court > > Papers_, nor in the Christ Church Parish Registers. > > > > Virginia Land Office, Land Grants and Patents, Pat Bk 6, P 415. " To all & c. > > Whereas & c. Now know yee that I the said Sr. Wm. Berkeley & c. do give and > > Grant unto Wm. Daniell one hundred & fifteen acres of land situated in Middlesex > > Co. by the Indian bridge branch dividing this land and the land of Alex Murray > > beginning at a marked white oak standing by the side of the Indian bridge branch > > opposite to the corner poplar of Alex Murray and in the line of Mr. Alexander > > Smyth and running along the sd Smyth's line So. E. by E. 156 poles to a corner > > red oak of the said Smyth thence So. So. W. to the rim of the green swamp als. > > Dragon Swamp, thence up the runn of the sd. swamp to the mouth of the Indian > > bridge branch and up the runn of the sd. branch to the first mentioned tree, wch > > sd 115 acres of land is part of the 190 acres granted unto Lieut. Colonell > > Cutbert Potter by order of the generall Court bearing date the 21th. day of Apr > > 1668 and by the sd. Potter sould and assigned to the sd. Daniell and is now due > > unto the sd Daniell by and for the transportation of three persons into this > > Colony whose names are mentioned on the Record under this Patt. To have and to > > hold &c. To be held &c. Yeilding & Paying &c Provided &c. Dated the fiveth of > > Oct 1672. Anne Rs. Car. 2d. 24 John Russell - Wm Cocke - Joane Younge [= the > > three persons he imported which entitled him to the land grant]." > > > > Regards, > > > > Pam in CA > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > > Mail Mode: > > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > or- > > Digest Mode: > > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > >

    12/01/2003 11:56:05
    1. Re: [DANIEL-L] John Moore family
    2. John R. Clarke
    3. Good Morning, John MOORE (1755-1804) did not die in Pitt County, NC. He died in Jefferson County, GA in 1804. He did marry Winnie HARDAMAN, as you noted. Winnie was the d/o Thomas HARDAMAN RS-NC and Elizabeth. Some also list this John as a son of a John MOORE II and a Hannah HOLLINGSWORTH of Frederick County, VA but I believe this assignment is wrong. John MOORE was a brother of Samuel MOORE who married Arty HARDAMAN, Winnie's sister. I also believe both of them to be the children of Samuel MOORE born 1727 in Pitt County, NC, the son of Samuel MOORE (b. 1707, Berkeley Precinct, Princess Anne County, VA and died 1790 in Beaufort County, NC) and Sarah MOYE, d/o George MOYE, Sr. and UNK. I am unsure this Samuel and John MOORE, who married these two HARDAMAN girls, were the sons of this 1727 Samuel MOORE of Pitt County, NC but I am pretty sure they are out of this Pitt County, NC MOORE family for the following reason. Josiah SIRMANS also married one of these HARDAMAN girls and the SIRMANS, HARDAMANS, MOORES, MOYES and the DANIELS were all over each other in Pitt County, NC in the 1770-1790 time frame. We also know that Thomas HARDAMAN moved to Beaufort Precinct, SC before his move to GA and some of this same DANIEL family also moved to Beaufort District, SC, as did the TOMLINSONS, one of which also married one of these same HARDAMAN girls. In fact, it appears my paternal DANIEL family and maternal, TOMLINSON family, were all over each other in Pitt County, NC in the pre-1790 time frame, something I never considered. I am sure most Wiregrass researchers who are familiar with these families know of the marriage of Capt. John TOMLINSON RS-SC (1750-1801) and Rebecca Lucretia HARDAMAN, another HARDAMAN sister, but I am not sure they know of these connections extend all the way back to Pitt County, NC and how these other families are also involved in this equation. Capt. John TOMLINSON and Rebecca Lucretia HARDAMAN are my maternal 5th great-grandparents. My grandmother was a TOMLINSON, a daughter of Harris TOMLINSON (1852-1936) and Arlia Ann Barbara DAME (1854-1940) of Tomlinson, Clinch County, GA. I am not totally against the idea that Capt. Robert Lanier DANIEL (1718-1794) RS-NC of Pactolus, Pitt County, NC was not my paternal 3rd GGF. Somehow the CASONS also seem to fit into this equation but I do not know exactly how, yet. I do know that a daughter of John CASON, Sr. (1728-1816) and Eleanor PINKETT of Pitt County, NC "married a Robert DANIEL" but I am not unsure if this is the same Robert C. DANIEL (ABT 1765-AFT 1830) who migrates to Burke County, GA in 1812 from NC of his father, possibly Capt. RLD. Regardless, the person who appears to be RCD's son, Robert Williams DANIEL, Esq. (1809-1865) of Bethany, Jefferson County, GA was my great grandfather. I also know that John CASON, Sr. died in Burke County, GA in 1816. John CASON, Sr. was also the father of Rachel CASON who married Colson ADAMS, Eleanor CASON who married James ALBRITTON, Jr., Jean CASON who married Colson's brother, Peter ADAMS, and Frances CASON who married John HATTON, another name all over these Pitt County, NC deeds. John CASON, Sr. was the son of William CASON and Jane Anne CANNON of Pitt County, NC, formerly Princess Anne County, VA. We also know the MOORES and MOYES moved from Princess Anne, along with the CANNONS and CASONS, to the Beaufort County, NC area and "reportedly" these MOORES of Princess Anne County, VA supposedly descend from a son of Gov. James MOORE of Charleston, SC. The best possible collateral match for this Burke County, GA DANIEL family appears to be Pitt, Beaufort and Northampton County, NC area. I also know that my GGF, Robert W. DANIEL, cut deeds in the 1850's for Benajah A. MOYE, a son of Capt. George MOYE, III and Sarah BRADBURY of Pitt County, NC and later, Gilberts District, Washington County, GA. I also know this Benajah (probably Benjamin) A. MOYE (ABT 1800-1880) married Vienna Augusta MARSHALL (ABT 1829-AFT 1850) on 21 Nov 1847 in Jefferson County, GA. She was a d/o Lewis Francis MARSHALL and Celia Ann TARVER of Jefferson County, GA. Lewis Francis MARSHALL was the son of a Joseph MARSHALL, Sr. (ABT 1765-BEF 1830) and an Ann (ABT 1770-1845), possibly SMITH, of Jefferson County, GA. I also know my GGU, James L. DANIEL (1814-1857) was the executor for the estate of this Ann MARSHALL in 1845 in Jefferson County, GA. I also know that Joseph MARSHALL, Sr. was living right next to Rev. Jordan SMITH and his wife, Mary GAINER, in Jefferson County, GA in 1820. I also believe that Ann MARSHALL was Rev. SMITH's sister but I may be wrong in this assumption but, regardless, I feel they were related. I also believe this Rev. SMITH was related to the Noah SMITH, Sr, and Jr. whose SMITH family also seems to follow this DANIEL bunch from Burke to Jefferson County, GA. One of my DANIEL GGA's also married a TARVER, so this bunch seems to be pretty closely connected. One of my grand aunts, Julia R. DANIEL (b. 1842/1843) also married a Luther C. SMITH in Jefferson County, GA in 1859. She, her husband, my GGF and the family of Noah and Wylanty (WAY) SMITH, Jr. lived side by side in Jefferson County, GA in 1860. This tells me, family. Does any of this sound familiar to anyone? I am missing just one bit of critical information which would tie this whole family together. It will not be found in POWG because we already know quite a few of the DANIEL assignments from this well respected work are wrong. I assume these errors from this compiled work also extend to other families, as well. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: <JOANH954@aol.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 5:03 AM Subject: [DANIEL-L] John Moore family > from the Wiregrass List: > > Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 09:41:51 -0500 > From: <njw@bellsouth.net> > To: WIREGRASS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WG] Fw: John Moore ca:1755, NC>GA > > Seeking help in finding the parents/ancestors of John Moore SR., b: abt 1755 > in Pitt Co., NC, and died there > in 1815. John was married to Winifred(Winnie) Hardeman in St. Georges > Parrish, Burke Co., GA. John and > Winnie had the following children; > Thomas Moore > Caleb Moore, b: 1760 > John Moore Jr., b: 1785 > Spencer Moore, b: 1800 > > Any help you may be able to provide will be gratefully appreciated. I have a > lot of info on Johns descendents > if anyone needs help. TIA. > > Jay > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > >

    12/01/2003 11:35:21
    1. [DANIEL-L] John Moore family
    2. from the Wiregrass List: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 09:41:51 -0500 From: <njw@bellsouth.net> To: WIREGRASS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WG] Fw: John Moore ca:1755, NC>GA Seeking help in finding the parents/ancestors of John Moore SR., b: abt 1755 in Pitt Co., NC, and died there in 1815. John was married to Winifred(Winnie) Hardeman in St. Georges Parrish, Burke Co., GA. John and Winnie had the following children; Thomas Moore Caleb Moore, b: 1760 John Moore Jr., b: 1785 Spencer Moore, b: 1800 Any help you may be able to provide will be gratefully appreciated. I have a lot of info on Johns descendents if anyone needs help. TIA. Jay

    12/01/2003 10:03:24
    1. Re: [DANIEL-L] John Russell imported by Wm. Daniell
    2. I checked the volumes cited by Kevin. While William Daniell's 1672 patent was based on a headright for the transport of 3 persons, including John Russell, that record, by itself, does not establish that William Daniell personally transported Russell. Headright patents can be the source of considerable misinterpretation. The person who actually transported a group of individuals could sell or trade the associated entitlement to acres to others to settle a debt or convert it to cash. The headrights served as a form of quasi-currency and could change hands multiple times over a period of years. Consider the fact that the Nugent Vol. II also contains a reference to a patent a few months after the one in 1672, which was to Mr. Tho. Hall and Jno. Pigg based on the transport of 77 persons including John Russell, William Daniell, and Mary Daniell [p. 143]. Then, three years later Lieut. Col. Cad. Jones & Mr. David Jones received a patent based on the transport of 282 persons, including John Russell and William Daniell, but not Mary Daniell [Nugent, p. 191]. There are an additional six patents based on the transport of an individual named John Russell prior to 1672 and another four after 1672 (one as late as 1694), none with William Daniell. In Cavaliers & Pioneers Vol. I, there are another five patents based on transport of an individual named John Russell. One of those was as early as 1635, and another, in 1653, which granted Col. William Clayborne acreage based on the the transport of 100 persons, including John Russell and Joane Younge (remember that was one of the two other names in the William Daniell patent of 1672). In this single volume there are no less than 13 patents issued over a 28 year period based on the transport of two or more individuals named John Russell (one was a Junior). It would take careful study and analysis of these references to begin to accurately sort out them out. To further complicate matters, in Adventurers of Purse & Person 1607-1624/5, by Virginia M. Meyer and John Frederick Dorman, p. 31, there is even reference to a John Russell in James City, VA on 24 January 1624. This John Russell, one of the servants of Mr. Edward Blaney, was age 19 at the time and had come to Virginia in the Bona Nova. Ken > > From: "P. A. Miller" <gen@pamiller.net> > Date: 2003/12/01 Mon PM 10:46:20 EST > To: DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DANIEL-L] John Russell imported by Wm. Daniell > > Hi, folks, > > Kevin W. Q. Daniel wrote: > > > Does anyone on the list have access to these books to see if one of > > these John Russell's was imported by William Daniel? > > > > > Yes, below is my transcription of the original patent (available at > http://lvaimage.lib.va.us). The bounding words Smyth, Indian Bridge, the red > and white oaks, and Potter are in later grants and deeds bounding next to land > of _Capt._ William Daniell. I can't remember if or how a Russell/Daniell > relationship got started in this thread (what can I tell you, I can only lurk at > the speed of light right now), but I've extracted all the Daniel entries from > and there is no mention of a Russell dealing with a Daniell in Hopkins' > _Middlesex County, Virginia Wills and Inventories 1673-1812 and Other Court > Papers_, nor in the Christ Church Parish Registers. > > Virginia Land Office, Land Grants and Patents, Pat Bk 6, P 415. " To all & c. > Whereas & c. Now know yee that I the said Sr. Wm. Berkeley & c. do give and > Grant unto Wm. Daniell one hundred & fifteen acres of land situated in Middlesex > Co. by the Indian bridge branch dividing this land and the land of Alex Murray > beginning at a marked white oak standing by the side of the Indian bridge branch > opposite to the corner poplar of Alex Murray and in the line of Mr. Alexander > Smyth and running along the sd Smyth's line So. E. by E. 156 poles to a corner > red oak of the said Smyth thence So. So. W. to the rim of the green swamp als. > Dragon Swamp, thence up the runn of the sd. swamp to the mouth of the Indian > bridge branch and up the runn of the sd. branch to the first mentioned tree, wch > sd 115 acres of land is part of the 190 acres granted unto Lieut. Colonell > Cutbert Potter by order of the generall Court bearing date the 21th. day of Apr > 1668 and by the sd. Potter sould and assigned to the sd. Daniell and is now due > unto the sd Daniell by and for the transportation of three persons into this > Colony whose names are mentioned on the Record under this Patt. To have and to > hold &c. To be held &c. Yeilding & Paying &c Provided &c. Dated the fiveth of > Oct 1672. Anne Rs. Car. 2d. 24 John Russell - Wm Cocke - Joane Younge [= the > three persons he imported which entitled him to the land grant]." > > Regards, > > Pam in CA > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > >

    12/01/2003 05:46:15
    1. [DANIEL-L] Chatham Co, NC Daniel/Jean
    2. Sonia Hetherington
    3. I have a deed dated 1815 for a Jesse Daniel and John Jean selling land to David and Deborah Chapman. This Jesse is probably the son of Isham Daniel who died c1815. I heard from a Jean researcher that he thinks his ancestor John Jean married an "Alcy" Daniel or something like that in NC. Do any of these names sound familiar to anyone? Sonia -- Visit http://www.ftdna.com/ or e-mail me personally at sonia1@airmail.net for information on the Hightower DNA Project

    12/01/2003 05:33:36
    1. Re: [DANIEL-L] Re: Bill and Price Daniel - Waco, TX
    2. Kevin W. Q. Daniel
    3. I had Daniels in Liberty, Tyler, Hardin, Hays, Shelby, and Jefferson Counties, Texas before 1880. They were in Jefferson in the late 1840s. I also had another bunch move down to Grayson County, TX in the early 1900s, though they had changed their name to Dannel by then. My genealogy can be accessed from my web site, www.kevindaniel.com. Kevin Ruth Newlan wrote: >OK - there you go! I knew someone out here had mentioned their Daniel's >being from Waco or Liberty Co., TX. One of my Daniel's line goes to Waco in >late 1880's & was a well known Baptist Minister in the area & was missionary >to Cuba and Brazil - but Waco was his home. He was Charles Davis Daniel who >married Lena Kirk. > >I have several aunt's and uncle's that would be highly upset (fighting mad >would be more like it) to be told that they weren't kid to Price Daniel, >anyway - don't know about Bill. Oh, brother! They just won't hear any part >of it not being so. They are very old - so, I don't get them upset by >talking about facts. I've looked for the connection - but, if there was >one - it's back further than Price or his father. > >- Ruth in Portland, OR >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jack V Butler" <JackVButler@comcast.net> >To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 2:43 PM >Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Re: Bill and Price Daniel - DANIEL-D Digest V03 #475 > > > > >>Gloria, if I remember correctly, you family story also says that your >>ancestor is from the Liberty County group - and that he is buried in >> >> >Liberty > > >>County. >> >>I do not see any way that both stories can be true. >> >>Jack Butler >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: <Taosbg@aol.com> >>To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 5:22 PM >>Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Re: Bill and Price Daniel - DANIEL-D Digest V03 >> >> >#475 > > >> >> >>>Anne, >>>I was interested in seeing you mention the French Huguenots as >>> >>> >collaterals > > >>of >> >> >>>the Daniel line. >>>My Daniel cousin took the DNA and he matched Lucy's line and was a >>> >>> >>mutation >> >> >>>off a couple of others. He will not be moved from the story his >>> >>> >>grandfather >> >> >>>told him of their grandpa Joseph's (Josephus) father being French and >>> >>> >>fighting at >> >> >>>the seige of Savannah. He deserterd and stayed in this country. >>>My cousin feels the story goes back far enough it must be true. >>>Gloria >>> >>> >>>==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >>>IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives >>> >>> >>at: >> >> >>>http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL >>> >>> >>> >>==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >>IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives >> >> >at: > > >>http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL >> >> >> > > >==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe >Click on the following link and your message is ready to send >Mail Mode: >mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >or- >Digest Mode: >mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > >

    12/01/2003 02:35:56
    1. [DANIEL-L] Re: DANIEL-D Digest V03 #477
    2. Anne W O'Brien
    3. John: Clue on the PRICE name noted. Check out Matthew DURDEN, Claim No. 7730 at URL below: http://www.genealogy-quest.com/collections/sclaims.html Anne

    12/01/2003 02:19:24
    1. Re: [DANIEL-L] 1754 Will of John DANIEL of Northampton County, NC
    2. Ya can't take it with you, might as well enjoy it!

    12/01/2003 01:31:45