For those doing research on the Coffee family there is a road in Alivin, TX named for the Coffee family, which lived in Alvin for decades, I guess. I remember a few remaining when I was a kid living there in the 1960s. Alvin, TX is in Brazoria County. Sherlene

Anne, (Robert DANIELL take note of this complete message) Let me tell you what I know about the TINSLEYS. If you read my post this morning then you saw the ODANIEL link to one of the HARDWICK girls, another which married into the FITZPATRICKS. That said, Nancy TALBERT, d/o Samuel TALBERT II and Mary O'DANIEL, married, William TINSLEY. William TINSLEY (1789-1841) was born in 96 District, SC but died in Todd Co., Kentucky. Mary O'DANIEL (1742-AFT 1798) was the d/o John O'DANIEL, Sr. and Elizabeth MOXLEY of Accotink Run, Fairfax County, Virginia and Mary O'DANIEL was a sister of William DANIEL (1747-1807) of Edgefield County, SC who married Lucretia BELL. I know this bunch like the back of my hand, which brings us back to my TINLEY and your, TINSLEY. I know that a William TINLEY, Sr. was in the Richmond County, GA/Edgefield County, SC area before the RW. I also know a Jesse DANIEL married a Rebecca TINSLEY in Richmond County, GA in 1813. I cannot say this is not the same TINLEY/TINSLEY family but would bet money that Jesse is an O'DANIEL and probably a daughter of this William TINSLEY who married Nancy TALBERT...... From my sources, a John TINLEY, Jr. born 1791in Richmond County, GA married a WEATHERS and they had a son John Robert TINLEY, Sr. (1821-1845), born Edgefield County, SC, and he married Elizabeth Ann ERWIN (1825-1885). She was the daughter of Richard ERWIN (ABt 1795-1827) and Nancy DANIEL (1799-1862), my great-grand aunt. After Richard's death, Nancy married a WISE, some say, a Frederick WISE although his name is not known for sure. After TINLEY died, Mrs. Elisabeth Ann Erwin TINLEY married Robert Robinson VALLOTTON (1824-1887), s/o Francis Stephen VALLOTTON (1796-1859) and Sarah TARVER (1798-1879) of Burke County, GA. Sarah was the daughter of Ethelred Jordan TARVER (1767-AFT 1850) and Mary Nancy ROBINSON (1770-1850) of Augusta, Richmond County, GA. Ethelred Jordan TARVER was the son of Samuel TARVER III and Celia JORDAN of Augusta, GA and brother of Mark E. TARVER whose son, William Allen TARVER married Nancy DANIEL's sister, Lucretia DANIEL (1807-1849). We also know that MAJ James ERWIN (1752-1815) of Midway Plantation, Allendale County, SC married Sarah DANIEL (1762-1815), d/o of William O'DANIEL, Jr. and Unknown. Her niece was Mary O'DANIEL who married Samuel TALBERT. I cannot tie Richard ERWIN to this ERWIN line but I have always supposed this was his family and he could be a son of Sarah and James or a nephew. If so, my bet there is a WISE connection floating around this bunch somewhere in Edgefield, Richmond or Burke County, GA, and we already know the O'DANIELS are tied to a WISE family back in Fairfax County, VA. However, the O'DANIEL miss one given name I need, that of a Robert DANIEL. Were it not for this, we would have linked up a long time ago...... Also notice the Chesley C. DANIEL listed on the guardianship bond for the TINLEY kids. This is the same Chesley C. DANIEL who was the bondsman for the 1841 marriage of my GGF, Robert W. DANIEL to a Julia FLORENCE in Richmond County, GA. I do not believe she was a FLOURANCE but a FLOURNOY or FLANDERS. Anyway, this Julia must have died BEF 1845 because RWD married Rachel Rebecca GREEN (1824-1851), d/o William GREEN and Rachel WARREN of Emanuel County, GA. I do not know whether this is a distinct DANIEL and an O'DANIEL line or part of the same O'DANIEL line. However, I do not the BOULINEAU Family, listed in the following information, was of France and migrated into Camden County, GA after a short stop in the West Indies. They are also tied to my family in more ways than one, through the family of Burrell LATHROP and Mary Rosalie BOULINEAU and of Savannah, Chatham County, GA. Their children are listed at the end and that Charles E. MUSTIN list in that information was a brother of LT Milton Anthony MUSTIN, Esq., CSA (1834-1924) who married my grand aunt, Anna Maria RICHTER (1836-1926) of Madison, Morgan County, GA. Her younger brother, John, married Alice E. DANIEL. My TINLEY notes: << Court of Ordinary Minutes 1849 - 1858 Burke County Ga. --- Waynesboro, Monday, July 2, 1849 Burke County p. 17,18 On application of Elizabeth Tinley and Nancy Wise Praying to be relieved from their securityship on the Bond of Chesley C. Daniel as the Guardianship of two Minors - Robert Tinley and Nancy Tinley it is ordered that the said Chesley C. Daniel as said Guardian be and appear at the next term of this court then and there to abide by and perform such order as may in the premises and that a copy of this order be served on the said Chesley C. Daniel Thirty Days before the said next term by the Sheriff. Georgia, Waynesboro, Monday 5th Dec. 1853 p. 179,180 Burke Co. Present Edward Garlick Ordinary Upon the application of Robert E. Vallotton for letters of Guardianship of Mary and James Tinley deceased of said county due legal notice having been given and no objections filed and Edmond B. Gresham former Guardian having given up said Guardianship of said Minors do issue to said Robert E. in terms of the law upon his giving bond in the sum of Two Thousand Dollars with Noah S. Tarver and Mark Tarver as securities. Also on file in the Burke County Court of Ordinary are vouchers 1856-1858 for transactions on behalf of James and Mary Tinley by Robt Vallotton as their guardian, mostly for clothing. 1850 Burke County, GA census: 29 222 222 Tinley Elizabeth A. 24 F . . . Georgia . . . . . 30 222 222 Tinley Mary E. 7 F . . . Georgia . X . . . 31 222 222 Tinley James L. 4 M . . . Georgia . . . . . Note: TINLEY married Elizabeth A. ERWIN (daughter of Richard ERWIN and Nancy DANIEL) before ABt 1845. Elizabeth A. ERWIN was born before 1825. She died in Grovetown, GA. Robert R.. VALLOTTON and Elizabeth A. ERWIN had the following children: +28 i. Richard R. VALLOTTON. +29 ii. Sally VALLOTTON was born on Oct 17 1852. She died on Jul 26 1928. +30 iii. Rachel VALLOTTON was born on Jan 11 1866 in GA. She died on Aug 14 1947 in Richmond Co., GA. She was buried in Hephzibah, GA. +31 iv. Winifred (Winney) Lycurgus VALLOTTON was born on Apr 15 1856 in VA?. She died on Jun 23 1935 in Augusta, Richmond Co., GA. She was buried in Grovetown Baptist Church. Aunt "Winnie" as we called her lived at the Boulineau Place which was located about three miles south of Grovetown, just off (about 400') the Newmantown Rd. On the east side. It was a nice home, neat with a full front porch bordered with rails and fancy trim. In later years the home was acquired by a great uncle of mine on my mothers side of the family. Aunt Winnie would visit us on the farm with all of the Boulineau family in a buckboard. Aunt Winnie moved with her family to 3rd Street in Augusta and lived there with the last living daughter having it as her home until she died. She had a yard full of cats. "Lizzie" had a room in the house.(memories of Robert Vallotton Ivey, Jr.) +32 v. Savannah L. VALLOTTON was born in 1869. Children of Burrell LATHROP and Mary Rosalie BOULINEAU and of Savannah, Chatham County, GA: i George Augustus Lathrop b: 6 DEC 1809 in Savannah, Georgia Marriage 1 Elizabeth GUY ii. Edward Lathrop , Reverend b: 12 MAR 1814 in Savannah, Georgia Marriage 1 Jane Elizabeth DAVIS iii. Mary Eliza Lathrop b: 3 FEB 1816 iv. Louisa Lathrop b: 23 OCT 1819 v. Joseph J. Lathrop b: 14 APR 1821 Marriage 1 Mary Josephine SIMPSON vi. Charles Christopher Lathrop b: 10 NOV 1822 vii. Mary Amelia Lathrop b: 12 OCT 1823 Marriage 1 Charles E. MUSTIN viii. Henry Lathrop b: 1 AUG 1825 Marriage 1 Cecila WADE ix. Cecilia Lathrop b: 29 NOV 1827 x. Georgiana R. Lathrop b: 26 APR 1830 Marriage 1 John B. HOGG xi. Charles Christopher LATHROP >>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne W O'Brien" <aobtx@juno.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 8:39 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Re: Mirabeau B. Lamar - DANIEL-D Digest V03 #491 > John: > > Were you aware that Judge Lamar had another brother, Jefferson Lamar? Ten > days before he led his Cavalry in the Battle of San Jacinto April 1836, > he wrote a letter to Jefferson, where he describes the sad state of > affairs in Texas, tells his brother the fort [ the Alamo] was lost, > Crockett murdered, and Fannin's Army entirely lost, and "that almost the > whole of the Americans from Georgia and Alabama have perished", and that > he was leaving in the morning for battle. (This research from Sherlene > Mats, descendant of the original 1818 Cherry/deCherie Texas settler). > > Don't know where his brother Jefferson lived, but the original letter is > in the Texas State Library. Records there also show that a Col. John > COFFEE Hays led the First Regiment, Texas Mounted Riflemen in the same > encounters as Mirabeau, as was James W. TINSLEY, Major, First Regiment, > Cavalry, Texas Army, 1836. > > Anne > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > >

Sherlene, You need to list a few dates and location on this query, if you have it. I have one COURSEY, a William, of Botetourt County, VA. I have lots of CHERRYS but they were of Norfolk, VA and later migrated into Beaufort and Pitt County, NC and they do tie to a DANIEL family where some of the given names you list were prominent. The only COURSEY I carry is one that married Sarah Elizabeth FLANDERS, d/o William FLANDERS (1748-BEF 1793) and Martha CHESTNUTT of Northampton County, NC. The "De" part of the other name was usually dropped quite early in most families, and I do not know what name it became, later. My De RENAULD name later became RENEAU and the Yankee part of this line shortened it even more to RENO. Your COURSEYS may well have been COURSON, too. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "S. mats" <s.mats@earthlink.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 6:49 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] deRumayor, James Coursey, Thomas Cherry > I am forwarding this post from another board, in hopes that some of you may recognize any of these names as possible collateral to the Daniel family. > Sherlene > > "I am stuck with this line and hope someone can help me straighten this mess out. > I have an ancestor Parthenia/Parthinia deRumayor who may have two sets of parents with big differences in dates of birth, etc. I am at a loss as to which the correct parents might be. What is bad, it looks like both Parthenia's married a James Coursey and both had a son named Valentine. > One group of researchers and this is what has been passed down in my family, have the line as follows: > Thomas Cherry, Sr. m. Rachel Emlem Children: Mary, Thomas P. Jr., Honour, Rachel, William, Sr., Ralph, Sr., Aaron, Sr., Moses, John > > Joaquin Fernandez deRumayor m. Honour Cherry > Child: > Parthenia (there are several different spellings of her name) > > James V. Coursey m. Parthenia deRumayor > Child: > Valentine Austin Coursey, Sr. > > Valentine Austin Coursey, Sr. m. 1 Bessie Sharp m.2 Nancy Secrease > Children of Valentine & Nancy: > George Washington, Eliza Amanda, Sarah Partheinia Lane, Charlotte Helen, Wilson Travis, Zilpha Caroline, Benjamin Franklin, Elizabeth Cynthia, James Absolum, Valentine Austin, Jr., Hiram Alexander, Christopher Columbus, John R. > > The other group shows the line as follows: > Joseph Mott m. Zelphia Wiggins > Children: > Parthena, Joseph George, Pamela, Benjamin, Caroline, Helen, Amanda, Oliver > > Parthena Mott m. James Valtinos Coursey > Child: > Valentine A. Coursey > > Valentine Coursey m. Nancy Secrest > Children: > George Washington, Eliza Amanda, Sarah Partheinia Jane, Charlotte Helen, William Travis, Zelpha Caroline, Benjamin Michael Franklin, Elizabeth Cynthia, James Absalom, Valentine Austin, Hiram Alexander, Christopher Columbus, John > > If any one can help me correct and document this line, I would really appreciate any and all assistance. > > I also need information on the parents of James V. Coursey and Joaquin Fernandez deRumayor. I have nothing as to who their parents were. > > There is also controversy over how, when, and where Joaquin Fernandez deRumayor arrived in America. Some show he came from Ireland after he married Honour, others show he was in Texas with Padilla (there are a lot of records to document this), others show him coming from Spain, but nothing that shows where he married Honour and no actual documentation on what port he came to in America, etc. > I run into the same thing with Honour Cherry. Some show her being born in Antrim, Ireland others in Virginia. I would just like to find something that will document and prove these births, marriages, etc. > > They did live in or were in the following counties in Texas, Liberty, Polk, Nacogdoches, Llano, and some of the surrounding counties. > Thank you, > Barbara" > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change the subject of a reply message. > >

Ruth, You keep getting closer and closer to many of my bunch, don't you. I guess this is why we have been friends an collaborators for so long, right? <grin> There was a William DANIEL who died in 1839 in Morgan County, GA. I have his will, somewhere but it is very hard to read. However, from what I could read he had no heirs or at least none were listed in this will. I believe the Capt. James L. DANIEL who died about 1850 was his brother because a James DANIEL was listed as his brother in this will. The will said his father was a John DANIEL and from the looks of this will, these boys were well edgeumacated, as many current GA high school graduates pronounce it. <grin> We also know the CUNNINGHAMS were in Madison, Morgan County, GA in this post 1807 time frame and I am now starting to think this DANIEL bunch of Morgan may have been an extension of the Cunningham-Daniel bunch out of Greene. I am also not against the idea the Samuel C. DANIEL we see in Morgan in this same time frame is not one of these, too, since Samuel CUNNINGHAM was the ancestor of these Cub Creek CUNNINGHAMS of Greene County, GA and this Samuel C. DANIEL sure meets the financial profile of this CUNNINGHAM bunch. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Newlan" <ruthann@saw.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Rhoda DANIEL-HUDSON > Hi All: > > I'd be glad to go back to the library & copy the pages that relate to the > Hudson's. I'm printing off the e-mails today that related to the Hudson's > to be able to study a little. If I understand Joni - she's saying that > Nathaniel Hudson is not part of the Elbert Co, GA group? I believe just > opposite - that they were from the same families - at least at this point > (it's still early in the game). > > In the book "Early Settlers of Alabama" - there were only a hand full of > Daniel's listed in the index. One of them was a William DANIEL listed on > page 420. > A Grand Jury was called in Wilkes Co, GA on 25 Aug 1779 in the matter of > Joshua Rials who was convicted of high treason along with eight others. > Amongst the witnesses against Rials was Samuel Lamar. > The Grand Jury consisted of the following men: > Esquires. > Stephen Heard, Foreman > George Walton (signer of Dec of Independ.) > David Burnett > Thomas Carter > Richard Aycock > Robert Day > John Gotham > Dionysius Oliver > Gentlemen. > Holman Freeman > Thomas Strand > Micajah Williamson (his dau. married Gen. John Clark (Gov) & son of Gen > Elijah Clark) > James McLean > Jacob Farrington > William Bailey > John Gloss > > Then the following petit jurors were sworn: > Holman Freeman(Col.Freeman's son Fleming Martha sister of Governors Bibb of > AL) > William Butler > John Burness > William Bonier > Henry Duke > James White > Matthew Moore > William DANIEL > Joseph Collins > Jacob McClendon, Jr > Mordecai Moore > Robert Hanna > John Scott Riden > > - Ruth in Portland, OR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <JOANH954@aol.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 9:09 PM > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Rhoda DANIEL-HUDSON > > > > John, > > I believe I sent this to the list, but - just in case - here's the deed > > identifying Nathaniel HUDSON as spouse of Rhoda DANIEL and Hamilton HUDSON > as their > > son: > > > > On 01 Dec 1797 William Daniel of Pitt County, NC "in consideration of the > > love good will and affection which I have and bear toward my loving Nephew > > Hamilton Hudson of the State of Georgia in the county of Screven unto > Nathaniel > > Hudson and Roda his wife my sister...for the sum of fifty pounds..one > Negro boy > > the age of twelve years of a yellow colour named Daniel." The deed was > proved > > on the oath of Enoch Daniel Feb 01 1798--Deed Book A, p 112. > > > > If this Rhoda DANIEL is not the daughter of Robert Lanier DANIEL and widow > of > > Robert HUDSON, Jr and sister of William DANIEL in Pitt Co NC what other > Rhoda > > DANIEL with a brother William in Pitt Co and md to a HUDSON in Screven Co > GA > > could she be? Note also that Enoch DANIEL proved the deed. > > Joni. > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of > messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or > those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not > allowed on this list. > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >

Joni, These are transcriptions of the two slave transfer documents I have in this matter, both from Pitt County, NC. I do not know how accurate they are nor have I seen the originals. Notice the first, 1782 slave transfer document. It was not recorded to 1798. That is interesting and it may have only been recorded because of the probate of her will. Notice the second slave transfer document, it was recorded in 1789, several years before the 1791 date of Rhoda's will but like the first slave transfer document from RLD, it may not have been recorded until later and incorrectly listed her husband's name as Nathaniel and not Robert, as listed in her will. I do not know on either of these accounts. >>> Deed Book A pg 29 (148) 14 September 1782, Pitt Co, NC, recorded 17 November 1798 RLD to Samuel Hudson, g/son (son of his dau Roda, wife of Robert Hudson of GA) one mulatto girl, age 5, named Charita. Wit: George Daniel, John Wilkins, William Wilson, Jr Deed Book A pg 15 (113) Pitt Co, NC, recorded 01 February 1789 William (Willie) Daniel to Hamilton Hudson, nephew (son of sister Rhoda) a Negro boy, age 12, of a yellow color, named Dennis Wit: Enoch Daniel, James George >>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: <JOANH954@aol.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 12:09 AM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Rhoda DANIEL-HUDSON > John, > I believe I sent this to the list, but - just in case - here's the deed > identifying Nathaniel HUDSON as spouse of Rhoda DANIEL and Hamilton HUDSON as their > son: > > On 01 Dec 1797 William Daniel of Pitt County, NC "in consideration of the > love good will and affection which I have and bear toward my loving Nephew > Hamilton Hudson of the State of Georgia in the county of Screven unto Nathaniel > Hudson and Roda his wife my sister...for the sum of fifty pounds..one Negro boy > the age of twelve years of a yellow colour named Daniel." The deed was proved > on the oath of Enoch Daniel Feb 01 1798--Deed Book A, p 112. > > If this Rhoda DANIEL is not the daughter of Robert Lanier DANIEL and widow of > Robert HUDSON, Jr and sister of William DANIEL in Pitt Co NC what other Rhoda > DANIEL with a brother William in Pitt Co and md to a HUDSON in Screven Co GA > could she be? Note also that Enoch DANIEL proved the deed. > Joni. > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not allowed on this list. > >

Joni, This is what they call conflicting information. We have what is purported to be the will of Rhoda DANIEL in 1792 and then the later transfer of a slave to what seems to be her in 1797. I know you say it was a gift to her children by her first husband, Robert HUDSON, but my source says it was a will and not a gift and I believe that source. Also there is no Nathaniel DANIEL listed on that 1792 will or gift, as you call it, and when in the world do you see a wife transfer anything to anybody without the name of her spouse, if he is alive, not listed on it. Not that I know of. Remember, this was the days when a wife's property became the property of her husband and anything she did would require the consent of her hubby... I think that Rhoda died in 1792, as the will states. You also do not probate transfer documents and this will was probated in Effingham County, GA according to my source. I also think we are missing something here and I do not know what it is but I have not seen anything here that makes me think that Rhoda DANIEL married anyone other than Robert HUDSON and her children were as listed in the 1792 document. I think we need to originals of both documents to straighten out this mess and transcriptions will not suffice, especially when dealing with conflicting information. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: <JOANH954@aol.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 12:09 AM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Rhoda DANIEL-HUDSON > John, > I believe I sent this to the list, but - just in case - here's the deed > identifying Nathaniel HUDSON as spouse of Rhoda DANIEL and Hamilton HUDSON as their > son: > > On 01 Dec 1797 William Daniel of Pitt County, NC "in consideration of the > love good will and affection which I have and bear toward my loving Nephew > Hamilton Hudson of the State of Georgia in the county of Screven unto Nathaniel > Hudson and Roda his wife my sister...for the sum of fifty pounds..one Negro boy > the age of twelve years of a yellow colour named Daniel." The deed was proved > on the oath of Enoch Daniel Feb 01 1798--Deed Book A, p 112. > > If this Rhoda DANIEL is not the daughter of Robert Lanier DANIEL and widow of > Robert HUDSON, Jr and sister of William DANIEL in Pitt Co NC what other Rhoda > DANIEL with a brother William in Pitt Co and md to a HUDSON in Screven Co GA > could she be? Note also that Enoch DANIEL proved the deed. > Joni. > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not allowed on this list. > >

John, I believe I sent this to the list, but - just in case - here's the deed identifying Nathaniel HUDSON as spouse of Rhoda DANIEL and Hamilton HUDSON as their son: On 01 Dec 1797 William Daniel of Pitt County, NC "in consideration of the love good will and affection which I have and bear toward my loving Nephew Hamilton Hudson of the State of Georgia in the county of Screven unto Nathaniel Hudson and Roda his wife my sister...for the sum of fifty pounds..one Negro boy the age of twelve years of a yellow colour named Daniel." The deed was proved on the oath of Enoch Daniel Feb 01 1798--Deed Book A, p 112. If this Rhoda DANIEL is not the daughter of Robert Lanier DANIEL and widow of Robert HUDSON, Jr and sister of William DANIEL in Pitt Co NC what other Rhoda DANIEL with a brother William in Pitt Co and md to a HUDSON in Screven Co GA could she be? Note also that Enoch DANIEL proved the deed. Joni.

Yes, I was aware of it. See list, below. Did you know that Col. James W. FANNIN, mentioned in your message, was of Madison, GA and brother of Eliza Saffold FANNIN who married James Byne WALKER? And, the WALKERS and BYNES were of Burke County, GA and lived close to my Robert C. DANIEL? How about dem apples? <<< Children Lucius Quintus Cinncinatus LAMAR , Sr. b: 15 JUL 1797 in Warren County, Georgia Marriage 1 Sarah Williamson BIRD b: ABT. 1798 in Georgia Married: 10 MAR 1819 in Baldwin County, Georgia Mirabeau Buonaparte LAMAR b: 16 AUG 1798 in Louisville, Jefferson County, Georgia Marriage 1 Tabitha Burnwell Jordan Married: 1 JAN 1826 in Perry Co., Alabama Thomas Reynolds LAMAR b: 16 MAR 1800 in Jefferson County, Georgia Marriage 1 Louisa Hill Married: 23 NOV 1836 in Columbia Co., Georgia Jefferson Jackson LAMAR b: ABT. 1801 in Louisville, Jefferson County, Georgia Evelina LAMAR b: 5 NOV 1803 in near Eatonton, Putnam County, Georgia Marriage 1 Michael Harvey Married: 4 OCT 1832 in Putnam Co., Georgia Mary Ann LAMAR b: ABT. 1805 in Putnam County, Georgia Marriage 1 Joseph Moreland Married: 18 SEP 1832 in Putnam Co., Georgia Amelia LAMAR b: BET. 1808 - 1812 in near Eatonton, Putnam County, Georgia Marriage 1 ? Randle Louisa Elizabeth LAMAR b: 4 NOV 1807 in Putnam County, Georgia Marriage 1 Abner Mcgehee Married: 11 DEC 1832 in Putnam Co., Georgia Loretto Rebecca LAMAR b: 26 JUL 1818 in Putnam County, Georgia Marriage 1 Absalom Harris Chappell b: 1801 in Hancock Co., Georgia Married: 31 MAY 1842 in Muscogee Co., Georgia >>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne W O'Brien" <aobtx@juno.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 8:39 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Re: Mirabeau B. Lamar - DANIEL-D Digest V03 #491 > John: > > Were you aware that Judge Lamar had another brother, Jefferson Lamar? Ten > days before he led his Cavalry in the Battle of San Jacinto April 1836, > he wrote a letter to Jefferson, where he describes the sad state of > affairs in Texas, tells his brother the fort [ the Alamo] was lost, > Crockett murdered, and Fannin's Army entirely lost, and "that almost the > whole of the Americans from Georgia and Alabama have perished", and that > he was leaving in the morning for battle. (This research from Sherlene > Mats, descendant of the original 1818 Cherry/deCherie Texas settler). > > Don't know where his brother Jefferson lived, but the original letter is > in the Texas State Library. Records there also show that a Col. John > COFFEE Hays led the First Regiment, Texas Mounted Riflemen in the same > encounters as Mirabeau, as was James W. TINSLEY, Major, First Regiment, > Cavalry, Texas Army, 1836. > > Anne > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > >

Hi All: I'd be glad to go back to the library & copy the pages that relate to the Hudson's. I'm printing off the e-mails today that related to the Hudson's to be able to study a little. If I understand Joni - she's saying that Nathaniel Hudson is not part of the Elbert Co, GA group? I believe just opposite - that they were from the same families - at least at this point (it's still early in the game). In the book "Early Settlers of Alabama" - there were only a hand full of Daniel's listed in the index. One of them was a William DANIEL listed on page 420. A Grand Jury was called in Wilkes Co, GA on 25 Aug 1779 in the matter of Joshua Rials who was convicted of high treason along with eight others. Amongst the witnesses against Rials was Samuel Lamar. The Grand Jury consisted of the following men: Esquires. Stephen Heard, Foreman George Walton (signer of Dec of Independ.) David Burnett Thomas Carter Richard Aycock Robert Day John Gotham Dionysius Oliver Gentlemen. Holman Freeman Thomas Strand Micajah Williamson (his dau. married Gen. John Clark (Gov) & son of Gen Elijah Clark) James McLean Jacob Farrington William Bailey John Gloss Then the following petit jurors were sworn: Holman Freeman(Col.Freeman's son Fleming Martha sister of Governors Bibb of AL) William Butler John Burness William Bonier Henry Duke James White Matthew Moore William DANIEL Joseph Collins Jacob McClendon, Jr Mordecai Moore Robert Hanna John Scott Riden - Ruth in Portland, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: <JOANH954@aol.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 9:09 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Rhoda DANIEL-HUDSON > John, > I believe I sent this to the list, but - just in case - here's the deed > identifying Nathaniel HUDSON as spouse of Rhoda DANIEL and Hamilton HUDSON as their > son: > > On 01 Dec 1797 William Daniel of Pitt County, NC "in consideration of the > love good will and affection which I have and bear toward my loving Nephew > Hamilton Hudson of the State of Georgia in the county of Screven unto Nathaniel > Hudson and Roda his wife my sister...for the sum of fifty pounds..one Negro boy > the age of twelve years of a yellow colour named Daniel." The deed was proved > on the oath of Enoch Daniel Feb 01 1798--Deed Book A, p 112. > > If this Rhoda DANIEL is not the daughter of Robert Lanier DANIEL and widow of > Robert HUDSON, Jr and sister of William DANIEL in Pitt Co NC what other Rhoda > DANIEL with a brother William in Pitt Co and md to a HUDSON in Screven Co GA > could she be? Note also that Enoch DANIEL proved the deed. > Joni. > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not allowed on this list. >

John: Were you aware that Judge Lamar had another brother, Jefferson Lamar? Ten days before he led his Cavalry in the Battle of San Jacinto April 1836, he wrote a letter to Jefferson, where he describes the sad state of affairs in Texas, tells his brother the fort [ the Alamo] was lost, Crockett murdered, and Fannin's Army entirely lost, and "that almost the whole of the Americans from Georgia and Alabama have perished", and that he was leaving in the morning for battle. (This research from Sherlene Mats, descendant of the original 1818 Cherry/deCherie Texas settler). Don't know where his brother Jefferson lived, but the original letter is in the Texas State Library. Records there also show that a Col. John COFFEE Hays led the First Regiment, Texas Mounted Riflemen in the same encounters as Mirabeau, as was James W. TINSLEY, Major, First Regiment, Cavalry, Texas Army, 1836. Anne

I am forwarding this post from another board, in hopes that some of you may recognize any of these names as possible collateral to the Daniel family. Sherlene "I am stuck with this line and hope someone can help me straighten this mess out. I have an ancestor Parthenia/Parthinia deRumayor who may have two sets of parents with big differences in dates of birth, etc. I am at a loss as to which the correct parents might be. What is bad, it looks like both Parthenia's married a James Coursey and both had a son named Valentine. One group of researchers and this is what has been passed down in my family, have the line as follows: Thomas Cherry, Sr. m. Rachel Emlem Children: Mary, Thomas P. Jr., Honour, Rachel, William, Sr., Ralph, Sr., Aaron, Sr., Moses, John Joaquin Fernandez deRumayor m. Honour Cherry Child: Parthenia (there are several different spellings of her name) James V. Coursey m. Parthenia deRumayor Child: Valentine Austin Coursey, Sr. Valentine Austin Coursey, Sr. m. 1 Bessie Sharp m.2 Nancy Secrease Children of Valentine & Nancy: George Washington, Eliza Amanda, Sarah Partheinia Lane, Charlotte Helen, Wilson Travis, Zilpha Caroline, Benjamin Franklin, Elizabeth Cynthia, James Absolum, Valentine Austin, Jr., Hiram Alexander, Christopher Columbus, John R. The other group shows the line as follows: Joseph Mott m. Zelphia Wiggins Children: Parthena, Joseph George, Pamela, Benjamin, Caroline, Helen, Amanda, Oliver Parthena Mott m. James Valtinos Coursey Child: Valentine A. Coursey Valentine Coursey m. Nancy Secrest Children: George Washington, Eliza Amanda, Sarah Partheinia Jane, Charlotte Helen, William Travis, Zelpha Caroline, Benjamin Michael Franklin, Elizabeth Cynthia, James Absalom, Valentine Austin, Hiram Alexander, Christopher Columbus, John If any one can help me correct and document this line, I would really appreciate any and all assistance. I also need information on the parents of James V. Coursey and Joaquin Fernandez deRumayor. I have nothing as to who their parents were. There is also controversy over how, when, and where Joaquin Fernandez deRumayor arrived in America. Some show he came from Ireland after he married Honour, others show he was in Texas with Padilla (there are a lot of records to document this), others show him coming from Spain, but nothing that shows where he married Honour and no actual documentation on what port he came to in America, etc. I run into the same thing with Honour Cherry. Some show her being born in Antrim, Ireland others in Virginia. I would just like to find something that will document and prove these births, marriages, etc. They did live in or were in the following counties in Texas, Liberty, Polk, Nacogdoches, Llano, and some of the surrounding counties. Thank you, Barbara"

Some of my Quakers fought and some left for Ohio. Some even went back to SC when Wrightsborough was destroyed. Gloria

Joni....... Christopher Hudson, b:ca1745, M: Sarah Unk Their children: John, b: 1 Nov 1769 Issak,b:2 Feb 1772 Christopher, b: Sept 1774 M: Hannah Heersen, 6Mar1798 Samuel, b: 26 June 1777 Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: <JOANH954@aol.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 1:43 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Re:HUDSON -HEERSON et al > John, > I can answer this one quickly while I dig for some timeline data on the other > HUDSONs. > Christopher HUDSON, Jr was first cousin of Robert HUDSON, Jr (hubbie #1 of > Rhoda DANIEL).. (Their fathers, Christopher Sr and Robert Sr, were brothers). > Christopher Jr md Hannah WERTSCH the widow of Herson HEERSON (aka HERSON etc). > > As to Rhoda's "will" Judy is correct - it is entitled a DEED OF GIFT and was > written just before we start seeing deeds naming Rhoda and Nathaniel HUDSON > together. I suspect Rhoda was ensuring that the four children of Robert Jr > received what was acquired during their marriage. Robert Sr owned/operated > Hudson's Ferry and was forever deeding stuff to his grandkids. > > Regarding Capt Nathaniel HUDSON: Can you point me to the data naming Capt > Nathaniel Green HUDSON as the same Nathaniel HUDSON, J.P in Effingham/Screven > Counties.... > > You are also correct that a bunch of families from Pitt Co NC went to > Effingham/Screven but there were also those earlier on from VA. The HUDSONs, for > example, first acquired land in old Halifax (Burke Co) in 1753. > > thanx > joni > There is one HUDSON marriage from these records that if I were you, I would > take a close look at but I would not trust this transcription, one bit. I > would look at the name, HARRISON, if I were you. However, this marriage is > reported as: > Hudson, Christopher marr Heersseen, Hannah 03/06/1798 > This is one of the problems we face when people transcribe records and have > no idea the names of families who lived in that area. > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change the subject of a reply message. >

John, I can answer this one quickly while I dig for some timeline data on the other HUDSONs. Christopher HUDSON, Jr was first cousin of Robert HUDSON, Jr (hubbie #1 of Rhoda DANIEL).. (Their fathers, Christopher Sr and Robert Sr, were brothers). Christopher Jr md Hannah WERTSCH the widow of Herson HEERSON (aka HERSON etc). As to Rhoda's "will" Judy is correct - it is entitled a DEED OF GIFT and was written just before we start seeing deeds naming Rhoda and Nathaniel HUDSON together. I suspect Rhoda was ensuring that the four children of Robert Jr received what was acquired during their marriage. Robert Sr owned/operated Hudson's Ferry and was forever deeding stuff to his grandkids. Regarding Capt Nathaniel HUDSON: Can you point me to the data naming Capt Nathaniel Green HUDSON as the same Nathaniel HUDSON, J.P in Effingham/Screven Counties.... You are also correct that a bunch of families from Pitt Co NC went to Effingham/Screven but there were also those earlier on from VA. The HUDSONs, for example, first acquired land in old Halifax (Burke Co) in 1753. thanx joni There is one HUDSON marriage from these records that if I were you, I would take a close look at but I would not trust this transcription, one bit. I would look at the name, HARRISON, if I were you. However, this marriage is reported as: Hudson, Christopher marr Heersseen, Hannah 03/06/1798 This is one of the problems we face when people transcribe records and have no idea the names of families who lived in that area.

I hear you. The door is always open. Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Judge Lucius Quintus Cinncinatus LAMAR and Sarah Williamson BIRD > Payne, > William Coffee DANIEL or DANIELL (1793-1868) married Martha SCREVEN > (1801-1834) on 16 Apr 1822 in Savannah, Chatham County, GA. She was the d/o > Thomas Smith SCREVEN, Jr. (1774-1833) and Mary Ann Susannah SMITH, also of > Savannah.... WCD also married another lady after Martha died but I have > forgotten her name. He and his second wife had some other children, too, > and he died in Savannah, Chatham County, GA. I need to take a closer look > at this second wife to see how she fits into this bunch..... > Thomas Smith SCREVEN, Jr., Martha's father, was the son of Thomas Smith > SCREVEN, Sr. and Eleanor HART of James Island, SC and g/s of James SCREVEN > and Mary Hyrne SMITH of Charleston. Mary Hyrne SMITH was the d/o Landgrave > Thomas SMITH and Mary HYRNE of Charleston, later, New Hanover County, NC. > The HARTS were from Bucks County, PA, according to my notes. Notice also, > the COFFEES are listed in the Cub Creek, PA information. > With all of these links to these Charleston names and their links back to > certain DANIEL families, I assume you are able to figure out my interest to > this SCREVEN bunch, as well as this DANIEL boy from Savannah, since his name > is often spelled DANIEL and DANIELL, as was the name of the person I believe > to be my 2nd GGF, Robert C. DANIEL or DANIELL (ABT 1765-AFT 1830) of Burke > County, GA. > Unlike you, I do not think James DANIEL and Jean KELSO were even related > to anyone in VA. I think they are of Irish descent, hook line and sinker, > just like the CUNNINGHAMS, probably the COFFEES and maybe even these HARTS. > However, I do think they were from an outstanding Irish family, maybe even > of English descent..... > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 9:33 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Judge Lucius Quintus Cinncinatus LAMAR and Sarah > Williamson BIRD > > > > Was his date of death 1833 or 1868?? Payne > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Judy Garner" <jpast59@strato.net> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 10:36 PM > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Judge Lucius Quintus Cinncinatus LAMAR and Sarah > > Williamson BIRD > > > > > > > John, Your bet is right....... William C. Daniel (1793-1833) married > > Martha > > > Screven, 18 April 1822, Chatham Co. GA. > > > Judy > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 7:47 AM > > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Judge Lucius Quintus Cinncinatus LAMAR and Sarah > > > Williamson BIRD > > > > > > > > > > Jack, > > > > My bet is the William DANIEL of Savannah was Dr. William Coffee > > DANIEL > > > > (1793-1868), husband of Martha SCREVEN (1801-1834), d/o Thomas Smith > > > > SCREVEN, Jr. (1774-1833) and Martha Ann Susannah SMITH of Charleston, > > > later > > > > Savannah. William Coffee DANIEL was the son of Charles DANIEL and > > > Elizabeth > > > > COFFEE of Greene County, GA. > > > > WCD and Martha had one child that I know of, a Benjamin Richard > > DANIEL > > > > who married a Julia Ella JONES of Sabine Parish, LA and they lived in > > > > Shreveport, LA. > > > > I find it awful interesting that WCD's wife, Martha, died on 4 Feb > > > 1834 > > > > and LAMAR on 4 Jun 1834. Also, Martha's father died on 12 Jun 1833. > I > > > > wonder if her father was the minister and his death was followed by > the > > > > death of his daughter (Martha Screven DANIEL) in February 1834 and > then > > by > > > > LAMAR in June. > > > > What was the name of the person this William DANIEL interceded > with > > in > > > > Senate on his behalf? That, will tell us who this William DANIEL > > > was...... > > > > > > > > John R. Clarke > > > > Thomasville, GA > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Jack V Butler" <JackVButler@comcast.net> > > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:08 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Judge Lucius Quintus Cinncinatus LAMAR and > Sarah > > > > Williamson BIRD > > > > > > > > > > > > > John, Judge Lucius Quintus Cinncinatus Lamar committed suicide in > > > 1834. > > > > A > > > > > minister had been tried and convicted for the murder of his > > > step-daughter, > > > > > and Lamar sentenced him to death. > > > > > > > > > > Somehow, his case was brought before the Georgia Senate where a > > William > > > > > Daniel of Savannah was one of the strongest proponents for the > > > minister's > > > > > innocence. (A note that was with the history that I read on this > > > incident > > > > > said that William Daniel had missed being President of the Senate by > 2 > > > > > votes). Anyway, William Daniel lost his argument for mercy, and the > > > > > minister was hanged. > > > > > > > > > > In 1834, a man was on the gallows for another murder when he > confessed > > > to > > > > > the murder for which the minister had been hanged. He gave > sufficient > > > > > detail to totally exonerate the pastor - too late to help. > > > > > > > > > > A couple of days later, Judge Lamar came home, kissed his wife and > > > > children, > > > > > walked out into his garden and shot himself to death. > > > > > > > > > > I saw no genealogical connection between William Daniel and Judge > > Lamar, > > > > but > > > > > it was an interesting coincidental connection. > > > > > > > > > > Jack > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:39 PM > > > > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Judge Lucius Quintus Cinncinatus LAMAR and Sarah > > > > > Williamson BIRD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good Evening, > > > > > > I do not think to ask if anyone had a DANIEL related to this > > LAMAR > > > > or > > > > > > BIRD families? > > > > > > > > > > > > Judge Lucius Quintus Cinncinatus LAMAR (1797-1834) died in > > > > > > Milledgeville, Baldwin County, GA and his wife, Sarah Bird LAMAR, > > > moved > > > > to > > > > > > Newton County, GA where I find Professor Winfield Montgomery > RIVERS > > > > living > > > > > > with her in 1850. > > > > > > Sarah was the d/o Thompson BIRD and Susannah WILLIAMSON of > > > Powalter, > > > > > > Hancock County, GA. The BIRDS were formerly of Cecil County, MD > and > > > the > > > > > > WILLIAMSONS of Wilkes County, GA, formerly Buckingham County, VA. > > > > > Susannah > > > > > > was the d/o Col. Micajah WILLIAMSON RS-SC (1744-1796) and Sarah > > > GILLIAM. > > > > > > Sarah's sister, Nancy WILLIAMSON married Gov. John CLARKE, Esq. > and > > > her > > > > > > brother, Charles WILLIAMSON. married Mary CLARKE, John's sister. > > John > > > > and > > > > > > Mary were the children of Gen. Eligah CLARKE and Hannah ARRINGTON > of > > > > > Wilkes > > > > > > County, GA. > > > > > > Judge LAMAR was the son of John LAMAR III and Rebecca LAMAR of > > > > > > "Fairfield", Putnam County, Georgia and grandson of John LAMAR, II > > and > > > > > Mary > > > > > > Elizabeth BUGG of Columbia County, GA. The LAMARS were originally > > > from > > > > > > Queen Anne's Parish, Prince George's County, Maryland. > > > > > > The reason I ask is because Professor RIVERS married my GGM, > > Mary > > > > Jane > > > > > > RENEAU in 1867 after the death of my GGF, Robert W. DANIEL,, Esq. > of > > > > > > Jefferson County, GA and I feel there is a good chance that RIVERS > > was > > > > in > > > > > > some what related to these LAMARS - in some way or another. > > > > > > Judge LAMAR was originally buried in Riverside Cemetery, > Macon, > > Ga > > > > but > > > > > > his body was moved in 1894 to St. Peter's Cemetery, Oxford, > > Lafayette > > > > Co, > > > > > > MS, home of the University of MS. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have a DANIEL family with links to this bunch, I would > > like > > > > to > > > > > > hear about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Short biography on Judge Lucius Quintus Cinncinatus LAMAR: > > > > > > <<< > > > > > > He was a student at Franklin College, University of Georgia. > L.Q.C. > > > > > studied > > > > > > law in the office of Joel Crawford at Milledgeville in 1816 and at > > the > > > > law > > > > > > school, Litchfield, Conn, 1817-1818; and was admitted to the > Georgia > > > bar > > > > > in > > > > > > 1819 and settled in practice at Milledgeville.. He soon became > > > > recognized > > > > > as > > > > > > an able and outstanding attorney. In 1821, he became a law partner > > > with > > > > > Joel > > > > > > Crawford, his former instructor. In 1830, he was elevated to the > > bench > > > > as > > > > > > the youngest judge in the State of Georgia, and was soon > recognized > > as > > > > one > > > > > > of the ablest judges of that early period. He also possessed > unusual > > > > > > literary culture. He revised Augustine S. Clayton's "Georgia > > Justice," > > > > > > published in 1819 and was chosen by the legislature of Georgia to > > > > compile > > > > > > the laws of Georgia from 1810 to 1820, published in 1821. > > > > > > > > > > > > His tombstone says: > > > > > > > > > > > > "Sacred to the memory of Lucius Q. C. LAMAR, late Judge of the > > > Superior > > > > > > Court of the Okmulgee circuit, who during a brief service of five > > > years > > > > > > discharged the duties of that high office with probity, firmness, > > > > > assiduity, > > > > > > and unquestionable reputation. The devoted love of his family, the > > > > ardent > > > > > > attachment of personal friends, the admiration of the Bar, and the > > > > > universal > > > > > > approbation of his enlightened administration of justice, attest > the > > > > > > goodness and eminence of one arrested by death too early in the > > bright > > > > and > > > > > > useful career in which he had been place by his native State. Born > > > July > > > > > 15, > > > > > > 1797. Died July 4, 1834." > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > John R. 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Judy, I do not know what gift you are referring to but the only deed in which there is a gift, that I know of, was not one in filed in Effingham County, GA but one filed in filed in Pitt County, NC in 1782. <<< Deed Book A pg 29 (148) 14 September 1782, Pitt Co, NC, recorded 17 November 1798 RLD to Samuel Hudson, g/son (son of his dau Roda, wife of Robert Hudson of GA) one mulatto girl, age 5, named Charita. Wit: George Daniel, John Wilkins, William Wilson, Jr. >>> I have to rely on the research of others and the will of Rhoda DANIEL is as listed in my previous message seems to be accurate, according to this research. The source for this will is listed and someone the DANIEL listed provided this will from the Georgia archives, as I remember. As for links between families of Elbert County, GA and those of Effingham County, GA -- this is not a strong link, as I have seen. Most Elbert County, GA families were VA families and most Effingham County, GA families, with a few exceptions, were NC families. Since we know Rhoda was from NC, this seems to make sense. As for the 1782 gift from Capt. Robert Lanier DANIEL of Pactolus, Pitt County, NC to his daughter, Rhoda DANIEL, then Mrs. Robert HUDSON of GA, this agrees perfectly with the probate of her will in 1792 in Effingham County, GA and this will was dated 1791. If someone has cobbled all of this up, it sure looks convincing to me. I will tell you, I know there are quite a few errors in some of the Effingham County, GA information. One of which I am personally aware of is the purported marriage of Sarah DIXON to Josiah DANIEL on 23 Apr 1772. She was Sarah MAY, who married Samuel TISON, Sr. and after he died, Josiah DANIEL. She had a son, Samuel TISON, Jr. who married Elizabeth STAFFORD, d/o Samuel STAFFORD and Dorcas WILLIAMS. There is one HUDSON marriage from these records that if I were you, I would take a close look at but I would not trust this transcription, one bit. I would look at the name, HARRISON, if I were you. However, this marriage is reported as: Hudson, Christopher marr Heersseen, Hannah 03/06/1798 This is one of the problems we face when people transcribe records and have no idea the names of families who lived in that area. <<< 1792 Will of Rhoda Daniel HUDSON, Effingham County, GA: Rhoda Hudson, relict of Robert HUDSON, Jr. To my four children got by Robert HUDSON, Jr. My husband deceased, viz., Samuel HUDSON, Robert HUDSON, Mary HUDSON and Maxfield HUDSON. Date of Will: July 1, 1791 - Witness: William COLSON, Sarah DANIEL and Enoch DANIEL Probate: 12 Nov 1792, Effingham County, GA MISC Records, Rec. Book 1, page 13. >>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Garner" <jpast59@strato.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Re: HUDSONs > John, A will for Rhoda Daniel Hudson has never been found. > It is said she died in Elbert Co.Ga. in 1802. It was a deed of gift, > Effingham Co.Ga.,1 July 1792, not her will. > Rhoda Hudson (widow of Robert Hudson, June,dec'd.) Deed of Gift, 1 July > 1792. to their children. > 1. Samuel > 2.Robert > 3.Mary > 4. Maxfield > Wit: William Colson, Enoch and Sarah Daniel > Robert Hudson had died in June of 1792, not Rhoda. > > Rhoda M1: Nathaniel Hudson and had son, Hamilton,b:1782 > This is proven by a Deed of Gift, dated 14 Sept 1782. > William Daniel, brother of Rhoda, deeds to Hamilton Hudson, son of Rhoda and > Nathaniel Hudson. > > Judy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 7:22 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Re: HUDSONs > > > > Joni, > > I do not know where these HUDSON were from but my bet is somewhere in > > the Pitt County, NC area, where Rhoda DANIEL (1755-1792) was from. We > know > > from Pitt County, NC as well as Screven County, GA deeds that Rhoda was > > married to a Robert HUDSON. > > I have also never seen any definitive proof that Rhoda DANIEL was ever > > married to a Nathaniel HUDSON. When she died she was the widow of Robert > > HUDSON, Jr., according to my notes, and her 1792 will so states she was > the > > relict (widow) of Robert HUDSON and there is no mention of a Nathaniel > > HUDSON nor is he a witness to this will, which makes me discount any > > marriage of Rhoda DANIEL to a Nathaniel HUDSON. > > There may well have been a Rhoda DANIEL who married a Nathaniel DANIEL > > but I do not think he was out of this bunch lined to this Pitt County, NC > > bunch. The HUDSON family often mention as the parents of Capt. Nathaniel > > HUDSON were William HUDSON and Frances GREENE of PE County, VA which seems > > to fit in with your Elbert County, GA information. > > > > << > > 1792 Will of Rhoda Daniel HUDSON, Effingham County, GA: > > Rhoda Hudson, relict of Robert HUDSON, Jr. > > To my four children got by Robert HUDSON, Jr. My husband deceased, viz., > > Samuel HUDSON, Robert HUDSON, Mary HUDSON and Maxfield HUDSON. > > > > Date of Will: July 1, 1791 - Witness: William COLSON, Sarah DANIEL and > Enoch > > DANIEL > > Probate: 12 Nov 1792, Effingham County, GA MISC Records, Rec. Book 1, page > > 13 > > > > >>> > > > > John R. Clarke > > Thomasville, GA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <JOANH954@aol.com> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 6:26 AM > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Re: HUDSONs > > > > > > > We are dealing with two distinct bunch of HUDSONs viz-a- viz the DANIEL > > > connections, namely those of Elbert Co GA (TAIT-OLIVER connection) and > the > > > Burke/Bulloch/Effingham/Screven (BBES) Cos GA bunch of Rhoda > DANIEL-Robert > > and > > > Nathaniel HUDSON. > > > I haven't researched (just some light reading on) the Elbert Co bunch > but > > > suspect the TAIT-OLIVER connected bunch belong to Cuthbert HUDSON of the > > > so-called "Hanover Co" (VA) bunch. The BBES HUDSONs were from > > Henrico/Chesterfield > > > Cos VA and are cousins to the Hanover Co bunch as are the Amelia Co VA > > bunch. - > > > one great big happy family.... > > > Somewhere along the line, someone has taken Rhoda DANIEL's Nathaniel > > HUDSON > > > of Effingham/Screven Co and made him the same person as one of the > Elbert > > Co > > > Nathaniel HUDSONs (and there were several). If anyone has any evidence > to > > show > > > or even suggest the two Nathaniels are identical there are a lot of us - > > > including the Hudson Family Association - that would welcome said data > > with open > > > arms. > > > There are book references to Nathaniel in Effingham/Screven Cos as a > > grandson > > > of Samuel HUDSON (the grandfather of Rhoda Daniels' hubbie, Robert > HUDSON, > > > Jr) and that Rhoda and hubbie #2, Nathaniel HUDSON, moved from > Eff/Screven > > to > > > Elbert Co in 1804. Does anyone have the documentation to support either > > of > > > these two claims? So far, I haven't found either. > > > Ruth: can you share a copy of the pages from "Early Settlers of > Alabama" > > > regarding those HUDSONs? many thanks > > > Joni > > > > > > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 21:32:50 -0800 > > > From: "Ruth Newlan" <ruthann@saw.net> > > > To: DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Re: DANIEL-D Digest V03 #478 > > > > > > Hi Anne: > > > > > > I'd love to hear what you might be able to find at Baylor U - there > should > > > be quite alot on Charles Davis Daniel there, as that is where he > graduated > > > too. > > > > > > Talking about a missionary that was killed in China - Charles Davis > > Daniel's > > > mother used the "Haseltine" name as her middle name - she was Mary Ann > > > Haseltine Daniel - but, usually signed as Ann H. Daniel. I understand > > that > > > the Haseltine's had been Baptist missonaries who had been killed or > > murdered > > > in China. And, I've seen another Daniel woman who used Haseltine as her > > > middle name, also. > > > > > > Regarding "Mayfield". What has recently peaked my interest is the name > in > > > connection with a couple of families that were collaterals of my Daniel > > > family in Monroe Co., AL. My great+++ Aunt, Drucilla Daniel married > Col. > > > Asa Thompson Oliver in Brazil. I've recently been able to find out > > > information about their son Asa T. Oliver, Jr., so I've been researching > > the > > > Oliver line and the descendents of Rev. War Privateer Dioniysius Oliver > > who > > > found Petersburg, Elbert Co., GA - which he named after his hometown of > > > Petersburg, VA. And, in particular, the writing of Col. Edmund Sanders > in > > > his "Early Settlers of Alabama". Now, I know that not all in Col. > Sanders > > > works are accurate - but, I do give him credit for documenting a very > > > interesting migration pattern, and a group of "hearding" families, of > > which > > > the Olivers were one. There is only an occasional "Daniel" that marries > > into > > > this group - but, there are a > > > few of them. This is where the Hudson's connect, as part of this > hearding > > > family. > > > > > > The Mayfield's were also part of the heard. One - Martha Mayfield > married > > > Zimri Tate of Elbert Co. GA. There were also Maxwell's in this group, > as > > > were the Bibb's, Watkins, Winfrey, Williamson, Cobb, Banks, Webb, Cook, > > > descendants of Christorpher Clark & Mildred Terrell, White's, McGeehee, > > > Shelton, Shackelford, DeJarnette, Coleman, Colson/Coleson (just to name > a > > > few) - an interesting group of folks. And, most of them settled in > Elbert > > > Co for a while around 1800 or before, depending on the family. > > > > > > Take Care - Ruth in Portland, OR > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to > > change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion > > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to > > contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to > change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to > contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > >

John, A will for Rhoda Daniel Hudson has never been found. It is said she died in Elbert Co.Ga. in 1802. It was a deed of gift, Effingham Co.Ga.,1 July 1792, not her will. Rhoda Hudson (widow of Robert Hudson, June,dec'd.) Deed of Gift, 1 July 1792. to their children. 1. Samuel 2.Robert 3.Mary 4. Maxfield Wit: William Colson, Enoch and Sarah Daniel Robert Hudson had died in June of 1792, not Rhoda. Rhoda M1: Nathaniel Hudson and had son, Hamilton,b:1782 This is proven by a Deed of Gift, dated 14 Sept 1782. William Daniel, brother of Rhoda, deeds to Hamilton Hudson, son of Rhoda and Nathaniel Hudson. Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Re: HUDSONs > Joni, > I do not know where these HUDSON were from but my bet is somewhere in > the Pitt County, NC area, where Rhoda DANIEL (1755-1792) was from. We know > from Pitt County, NC as well as Screven County, GA deeds that Rhoda was > married to a Robert HUDSON. > I have also never seen any definitive proof that Rhoda DANIEL was ever > married to a Nathaniel HUDSON. When she died she was the widow of Robert > HUDSON, Jr., according to my notes, and her 1792 will so states she was the > relict (widow) of Robert HUDSON and there is no mention of a Nathaniel > HUDSON nor is he a witness to this will, which makes me discount any > marriage of Rhoda DANIEL to a Nathaniel HUDSON. > There may well have been a Rhoda DANIEL who married a Nathaniel DANIEL > but I do not think he was out of this bunch lined to this Pitt County, NC > bunch. The HUDSON family often mention as the parents of Capt. Nathaniel > HUDSON were William HUDSON and Frances GREENE of PE County, VA which seems > to fit in with your Elbert County, GA information. > > << > 1792 Will of Rhoda Daniel HUDSON, Effingham County, GA: > Rhoda Hudson, relict of Robert HUDSON, Jr. > To my four children got by Robert HUDSON, Jr. My husband deceased, viz., > Samuel HUDSON, Robert HUDSON, Mary HUDSON and Maxfield HUDSON. > > Date of Will: July 1, 1791 - Witness: William COLSON, Sarah DANIEL and Enoch > DANIEL > Probate: 12 Nov 1792, Effingham County, GA MISC Records, Rec. Book 1, page > 13 > > >>> > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <JOANH954@aol.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 6:26 AM > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Re: HUDSONs > > > > We are dealing with two distinct bunch of HUDSONs viz-a- viz the DANIEL > > connections, namely those of Elbert Co GA (TAIT-OLIVER connection) and the > > Burke/Bulloch/Effingham/Screven (BBES) Cos GA bunch of Rhoda DANIEL-Robert > and > > Nathaniel HUDSON. > > I haven't researched (just some light reading on) the Elbert Co bunch but > > suspect the TAIT-OLIVER connected bunch belong to Cuthbert HUDSON of the > > so-called "Hanover Co" (VA) bunch. The BBES HUDSONs were from > Henrico/Chesterfield > > Cos VA and are cousins to the Hanover Co bunch as are the Amelia Co VA > bunch. - > > one great big happy family.... > > Somewhere along the line, someone has taken Rhoda DANIEL's Nathaniel > HUDSON > > of Effingham/Screven Co and made him the same person as one of the Elbert > Co > > Nathaniel HUDSONs (and there were several). If anyone has any evidence to > show > > or even suggest the two Nathaniels are identical there are a lot of us - > > including the Hudson Family Association - that would welcome said data > with open > > arms. > > There are book references to Nathaniel in Effingham/Screven Cos as a > grandson > > of Samuel HUDSON (the grandfather of Rhoda Daniels' hubbie, Robert HUDSON, > > Jr) and that Rhoda and hubbie #2, Nathaniel HUDSON, moved from Eff/Screven > to > > Elbert Co in 1804. Does anyone have the documentation to support either > of > > these two claims? So far, I haven't found either. > > Ruth: can you share a copy of the pages from "Early Settlers of Alabama" > > regarding those HUDSONs? many thanks > > Joni > > > > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 21:32:50 -0800 > > From: "Ruth Newlan" <ruthann@saw.net> > > To: DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Re: DANIEL-D Digest V03 #478 > > > > Hi Anne: > > > > I'd love to hear what you might be able to find at Baylor U - there should > > be quite alot on Charles Davis Daniel there, as that is where he graduated > > too. > > > > Talking about a missionary that was killed in China - Charles Davis > Daniel's > > mother used the "Haseltine" name as her middle name - she was Mary Ann > > Haseltine Daniel - but, usually signed as Ann H. Daniel. I understand > that > > the Haseltine's had been Baptist missonaries who had been killed or > murdered > > in China. And, I've seen another Daniel woman who used Haseltine as her > > middle name, also. > > > > Regarding "Mayfield". What has recently peaked my interest is the name in > > connection with a couple of families that were collaterals of my Daniel > > family in Monroe Co., AL. My great+++ Aunt, Drucilla Daniel married Col. > > Asa Thompson Oliver in Brazil. I've recently been able to find out > > information about their son Asa T. Oliver, Jr., so I've been researching > the > > Oliver line and the descendents of Rev. War Privateer Dioniysius Oliver > who > > found Petersburg, Elbert Co., GA - which he named after his hometown of > > Petersburg, VA. And, in particular, the writing of Col. Edmund Sanders in > > his "Early Settlers of Alabama". Now, I know that not all in Col. Sanders > > works are accurate - but, I do give him credit for documenting a very > > interesting migration pattern, and a group of "hearding" families, of > which > > the Olivers were one. There is only an occasional "Daniel" that marries > into > > this group - but, there are a > > few of them. This is where the Hudson's connect, as part of this hearding > > family. > > > > The Mayfield's were also part of the heard. One - Martha Mayfield married > > Zimri Tate of Elbert Co. GA. There were also Maxwell's in this group, as > > were the Bibb's, Watkins, Winfrey, Williamson, Cobb, Banks, Webb, Cook, > > descendants of Christorpher Clark & Mildred Terrell, White's, McGeehee, > > Shelton, Shackelford, DeJarnette, Coleman, Colson/Coleson (just to name a > > few) - an interesting group of folks. And, most of them settled in Elbert > > Co for a while around 1800 or before, depending on the family. > > > > Take Care - Ruth in Portland, OR > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to > change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to > contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net >

Payne, William Coffee DANIEL or DANIELL (1793-1868) married Martha SCREVEN (1801-1834) on 16 Apr 1822 in Savannah, Chatham County, GA. She was the d/o Thomas Smith SCREVEN, Jr. (1774-1833) and Mary Ann Susannah SMITH, also of Savannah.... WCD also married another lady after Martha died but I have forgotten her name. He and his second wife had some other children, too, and he died in Savannah, Chatham County, GA. I need to take a closer look at this second wife to see how she fits into this bunch..... Thomas Smith SCREVEN, Jr., Martha's father, was the son of Thomas Smith SCREVEN, Sr. and Eleanor HART of James Island, SC and g/s of James SCREVEN and Mary Hyrne SMITH of Charleston. Mary Hyrne SMITH was the d/o Landgrave Thomas SMITH and Mary HYRNE of Charleston, later, New Hanover County, NC. The HARTS were from Bucks County, PA, according to my notes. Notice also, the COFFEES are listed in the Cub Creek, PA information. With all of these links to these Charleston names and their links back to certain DANIEL families, I assume you are able to figure out my interest to this SCREVEN bunch, as well as this DANIEL boy from Savannah, since his name is often spelled DANIEL and DANIELL, as was the name of the person I believe to be my 2nd GGF, Robert C. DANIEL or DANIELL (ABT 1765-AFT 1830) of Burke County, GA. Unlike you, I do not think James DANIEL and Jean KELSO were even related to anyone in VA. I think they are of Irish descent, hook line and sinker, just like the CUNNINGHAMS, probably the COFFEES and maybe even these HARTS. However, I do think they were from an outstanding Irish family, maybe even of English descent..... John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Judge Lucius Quintus Cinncinatus LAMAR and Sarah Williamson BIRD > Was his date of death 1833 or 1868?? Payne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judy Garner" <jpast59@strato.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 10:36 PM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Judge Lucius Quintus Cinncinatus LAMAR and Sarah > Williamson BIRD > > > > John, Your bet is right....... William C. Daniel (1793-1833) married > Martha > > Screven, 18 April 1822, Chatham Co. GA. > > Judy > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 7:47 AM > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Judge Lucius Quintus Cinncinatus LAMAR and Sarah > > Williamson BIRD > > > > > > > Jack, > > > My bet is the William DANIEL of Savannah was Dr. William Coffee > DANIEL > > > (1793-1868), husband of Martha SCREVEN (1801-1834), d/o Thomas Smith > > > SCREVEN, Jr. (1774-1833) and Martha Ann Susannah SMITH of Charleston, > > later > > > Savannah. William Coffee DANIEL was the son of Charles DANIEL and > > Elizabeth > > > COFFEE of Greene County, GA. > > > WCD and Martha had one child that I know of, a Benjamin Richard > DANIEL > > > who married a Julia Ella JONES of Sabine Parish, LA and they lived in > > > Shreveport, LA. > > > I find it awful interesting that WCD's wife, Martha, died on 4 Feb > > 1834 > > > and LAMAR on 4 Jun 1834. Also, Martha's father died on 12 Jun 1833. I > > > wonder if her father was the minister and his death was followed by the > > > death of his daughter (Martha Screven DANIEL) in February 1834 and then > by > > > LAMAR in June. > > > What was the name of the person this William DANIEL interceded with > in > > > Senate on his behalf? That, will tell us who this William DANIEL > > was...... > > > > > > John R. Clarke > > > Thomasville, GA > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jack V Butler" <JackVButler@comcast.net> > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:08 PM > > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Judge Lucius Quintus Cinncinatus LAMAR and Sarah > > > Williamson BIRD > > > > > > > > > > John, Judge Lucius Quintus Cinncinatus Lamar committed suicide in > > 1834. > > > A > > > > minister had been tried and convicted for the murder of his > > step-daughter, > > > > and Lamar sentenced him to death. > > > > > > > > Somehow, his case was brought before the Georgia Senate where a > William > > > > Daniel of Savannah was one of the strongest proponents for the > > minister's > > > > innocence. (A note that was with the history that I read on this > > incident > > > > said that William Daniel had missed being President of the Senate by 2 > > > > votes). Anyway, William Daniel lost his argument for mercy, and the > > > > minister was hanged. > > > > > > > > In 1834, a man was on the gallows for another murder when he confessed > > to > > > > the murder for which the minister had been hanged. He gave sufficient > > > > detail to totally exonerate the pastor - too late to help. > > > > > > > > A couple of days later, Judge Lamar came home, kissed his wife and > > > children, > > > > walked out into his garden and shot himself to death. > > > > > > > > I saw no genealogical connection between William Daniel and Judge > Lamar, > > > but > > > > it was an interesting coincidental connection. > > > > > > > > Jack > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:39 PM > > > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Judge Lucius Quintus Cinncinatus LAMAR and Sarah > > > > Williamson BIRD > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good Evening, > > > > > I do not think to ask if anyone had a DANIEL related to this > LAMAR > > > or > > > > > BIRD families? > > > > > > > > > > Judge Lucius Quintus Cinncinatus LAMAR (1797-1834) died in > > > > > Milledgeville, Baldwin County, GA and his wife, Sarah Bird LAMAR, > > moved > > > to > > > > > Newton County, GA where I find Professor Winfield Montgomery RIVERS > > > living > > > > > with her in 1850. > > > > > Sarah was the d/o Thompson BIRD and Susannah WILLIAMSON of > > Powalter, > > > > > Hancock County, GA. The BIRDS were formerly of Cecil County, MD and > > the > > > > > WILLIAMSONS of Wilkes County, GA, formerly Buckingham County, VA. > > > > Susannah > > > > > was the d/o Col. Micajah WILLIAMSON RS-SC (1744-1796) and Sarah > > GILLIAM. > > > > > Sarah's sister, Nancy WILLIAMSON married Gov. John CLARKE, Esq. and > > her > > > > > brother, Charles WILLIAMSON. married Mary CLARKE, John's sister. > John > > > and > > > > > Mary were the children of Gen. Eligah CLARKE and Hannah ARRINGTON of > > > > Wilkes > > > > > County, GA. > > > > > Judge LAMAR was the son of John LAMAR III and Rebecca LAMAR of > > > > > "Fairfield", Putnam County, Georgia and grandson of John LAMAR, II > and > > > > Mary > > > > > Elizabeth BUGG of Columbia County, GA. The LAMARS were originally > > from > > > > > Queen Anne's Parish, Prince George's County, Maryland. > > > > > The reason I ask is because Professor RIVERS married my GGM, > Mary > > > Jane > > > > > RENEAU in 1867 after the death of my GGF, Robert W. DANIEL,, Esq. of > > > > > Jefferson County, GA and I feel there is a good chance that RIVERS > was > > > in > > > > > some what related to these LAMARS - in some way or another. > > > > > Judge LAMAR was originally buried in Riverside Cemetery, Macon, > Ga > > > but > > > > > his body was moved in 1894 to St. Peter's Cemetery, Oxford, > Lafayette > > > Co, > > > > > MS, home of the University of MS. > > > > > > > > > > If you have a DANIEL family with links to this bunch, I would > like > > > to > > > > > hear about it. > > > > > > > > > > Short biography on Judge Lucius Quintus Cinncinatus LAMAR: > > > > > <<< > > > > > He was a student at Franklin College, University of Georgia. L.Q.C. > > > > studied > > > > > law in the office of Joel Crawford at Milledgeville in 1816 and at > the > > > law > > > > > school, Litchfield, Conn, 1817-1818; and was admitted to the Georgia > > bar > > > > in > > > > > 1819 and settled in practice at Milledgeville.. He soon became > > > recognized > > > > as > > > > > an able and outstanding attorney. In 1821, he became a law partner > > with > > > > Joel > > > > > Crawford, his former instructor. In 1830, he was elevated to the > bench > > > as > > > > > the youngest judge in the State of Georgia, and was soon recognized > as > > > one > > > > > of the ablest judges of that early period. He also possessed unusual > > > > > literary culture. He revised Augustine S. Clayton's "Georgia > Justice," > > > > > published in 1819 and was chosen by the legislature of Georgia to > > > compile > > > > > the laws of Georgia from 1810 to 1820, published in 1821. > > > > > > > > > > His tombstone says: > > > > > > > > > > "Sacred to the memory of Lucius Q. C. LAMAR, late Judge of the > > Superior > > > > > Court of the Okmulgee circuit, who during a brief service of five > > years > > > > > discharged the duties of that high office with probity, firmness, > > > > assiduity, > > > > > and unquestionable reputation. The devoted love of his family, the > > > ardent > > > > > attachment of personal friends, the admiration of the Bar, and the > > > > universal > > > > > approbation of his enlightened administration of justice, attest the > > > > > goodness and eminence of one arrested by death too early in the > bright > > > and > > > > > useful career in which he had been place by his native State. Born > > July > > > > 15, > > > > > 1797. Died July 4, 1834." > > > > > >>> > > > > > John R. Clarke > > > > > Thomasville, GA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > > > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you > > change > > > > the subject of a reply message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? 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Joni, One of the interesting connections I see is in the family of a Nathaniel Greene HUDSON (1760-1821) of Elbert County, GA. According to my information he married a Mary CASON and we know the CASONS were around the RLD family in Pitt County, NC. Anyway, they say, their daughter, Elizabeth HUDSON (1804-1878), married John Burgamy DANIEL, Sr. (1799-1884) of Laurens County, GA. Our best information says this John B. DANIEL was the son of Benjamin DANIEL and Lucretia BURGAMY, also of Laurens, formerly Washington County, GA. I really do like the given name, "Nathaniel Green" around this bunch because I know the Nathaniel Green FOSTER, Esq. (1809-1869) of Madison, Morgan County, GA was close to my bunch in Madison. Nathaniel was the son of Arthur FOSTER, Jr. RS and Hannah JOHNSON of Greene County, GA and g/s of Arthur FOSTER, Sr. and Martha COLLIER of Southampton County, VA and gg/s of Christopher FOSTER, Jr. and Elizabeth BARKER of IOW County, VA. We know, well, the BARKER connection to the LANIERS and Elizabeth was a sister of Sarah BARKER who married Robert LANIER, so it looks like the same bunch of T&E DANIELS out of Chowan, Tyrrell and Pitt County, NC, at least at first blush. However, there is so much bad information around all of this family that it may take DNA to straighten out this mess. I also do not like the known McDANIEL and BRANTLEY links to the family of Benjamin DANIEL and Lucretia BURGAMY of Laurens, because it opens up all kinds of possibilities for this family of Benjamin DANIEL -- was he a DANIEL, as his will states, or McDANIEL as some other Laurens information tends to state. I do not know the answer to this one......... These are the children I show for Nathaniel Green HUDSON and Mary CASON: <<< Children Elizabeth Hudson b: 1 JAN 1794 in Elbert County, GA Marriage 1 John Burgamy Daniel b: 13 SEP 1799 in Washington County, GA Married: 22 JAN 1828 in Laurens County, GA Mary "Polly" Hudson b: 7 SEP 1795 in Elbert County, GA Marriage 1 Henry Bourne b: BET. 1790 - 1800 Married: 20 FEB 1833 in Elbert County, GA Note: Her name was MRS. MARY HEARD on the license Martha P. Hudson b: BET. 1796 - 1805 in Elbert County, GA Death: AFT. 1821 William Hudson b: 7 FEB 1799 in Elbert County, GA Marriage 1 Nancy D. "Ann" Johnston b: ABT. 1798 Married: 12 NOV 1818 in Cherokee County, GA Frances "Fannie" Hudson b: 2 DEC 1800 in Elbert County, GAMarriage 1 Benjamin Fleming b: BEF. 1800 Married: 18 SEP 1821 in Elbert County, GA Lucy Carroll Hudson b: 1 AUG 1802 in Elbert County, GA Marriage 1 Thomas P. Carter b: BET. 1760 - 1800 Married: 22 DEC 1818 in Elbert County, GA John H. Hudson b: 10 MAY 1803 in Elbert County, GA Marriage 1 Martha "Mary" Snellings b: 1800 in GA Married: 19 DEC 1824 in Elbert County, GA Louisa Hudson b: 28 OCT 1805 in Elbert County, GA Marriage 1 Alfred Hammond b: BEF. 1805 Married: 24 JAN 1826 in Elbert County, GA Eliza Caroline Hudson b: 23 APR 1811 in Elbert County, GA Marriage 1 Amos Worrell Hammond b: BEF. 1812 Married: 22 JAN 1833 in Elbert County, GA >>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: <JOANH954@aol.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 6:26 AM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Re: HUDSONs > We are dealing with two distinct bunch of HUDSONs viz-a- viz the DANIEL > connections, namely those of Elbert Co GA (TAIT-OLIVER connection) and the > Burke/Bulloch/Effingham/Screven (BBES) Cos GA bunch of Rhoda DANIEL-Robert and > Nathaniel HUDSON. > I haven't researched (just some light reading on) the Elbert Co bunch but > suspect the TAIT-OLIVER connected bunch belong to Cuthbert HUDSON of the > so-called "Hanover Co" (VA) bunch. The BBES HUDSONs were from Henrico/Chesterfield > Cos VA and are cousins to the Hanover Co bunch as are the Amelia Co VA bunch. - > one great big happy family.... > Somewhere along the line, someone has taken Rhoda DANIEL's Nathaniel HUDSON > of Effingham/Screven Co and made him the same person as one of the Elbert Co > Nathaniel HUDSONs (and there were several). If anyone has any evidence to show > or even suggest the two Nathaniels are identical there are a lot of us - > including the Hudson Family Association - that would welcome said data with open > arms. > There are book references to Nathaniel in Effingham/Screven Cos as a grandson > of Samuel HUDSON (the grandfather of Rhoda Daniels' hubbie, Robert HUDSON, > Jr) and that Rhoda and hubbie #2, Nathaniel HUDSON, moved from Eff/Screven to > Elbert Co in 1804. Does anyone have the documentation to support either of > these two claims? So far, I haven't found either. > Ruth: can you share a copy of the pages from "Early Settlers of Alabama" > regarding those HUDSONs? many thanks > Joni > > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 21:32:50 -0800 > From: "Ruth Newlan" <ruthann@saw.net> > To: DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Re: DANIEL-D Digest V03 #478 > > Hi Anne: > > I'd love to hear what you might be able to find at Baylor U - there should > be quite alot on Charles Davis Daniel there, as that is where he graduated > too. > > Talking about a missionary that was killed in China - Charles Davis Daniel's > mother used the "Haseltine" name as her middle name - she was Mary Ann > Haseltine Daniel - but, usually signed as Ann H. Daniel. I understand that > the Haseltine's had been Baptist missonaries who had been killed or murdered > in China. And, I've seen another Daniel woman who used Haseltine as her > middle name, also. > > Regarding "Mayfield". What has recently peaked my interest is the name in > connection with a couple of families that were collaterals of my Daniel > family in Monroe Co., AL. My great+++ Aunt, Drucilla Daniel married Col. > Asa Thompson Oliver in Brazil. I've recently been able to find out > information about their son Asa T. Oliver, Jr., so I've been researching the > Oliver line and the descendents of Rev. War Privateer Dioniysius Oliver who > found Petersburg, Elbert Co., GA - which he named after his hometown of > Petersburg, VA. And, in particular, the writing of Col. Edmund Sanders in > his "Early Settlers of Alabama". Now, I know that not all in Col. Sanders > works are accurate - but, I do give him credit for documenting a very > interesting migration pattern, and a group of "hearding" families, of which > the Olivers were one. There is only an occasional "Daniel" that marries into > this group - but, there are a > few of them. This is where the Hudson's connect, as part of this hearding > family. > > The Mayfield's were also part of the heard. One - Martha Mayfield married > Zimri Tate of Elbert Co. GA. There were also Maxwell's in this group, as > were the Bibb's, Watkins, Winfrey, Williamson, Cobb, Banks, Webb, Cook, > descendants of Christorpher Clark & Mildred Terrell, White's, McGeehee, > Shelton, Shackelford, DeJarnette, Coleman, Colson/Coleson (just to name a > few) - an interesting group of folks. And, most of them settled in Elbert > Co for a while around 1800 or before, depending on the family. > > Take Care - Ruth in Portland, OR > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > >

Was his date of death 1833 or 1868?? Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Garner" <jpast59@strato.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Judge Lucius Quintus Cinncinatus LAMAR and Sarah Williamson BIRD > John, Your bet is right....... William C. Daniel (1793-1833) married Martha > Screven, 18 April 1822, Chatham Co. GA. > Judy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 7:47 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Judge Lucius Quintus Cinncinatus LAMAR and Sarah > Williamson BIRD > > > > Jack, > > My bet is the William DANIEL of Savannah was Dr. William Coffee DANIEL > > (1793-1868), husband of Martha SCREVEN (1801-1834), d/o Thomas Smith > > SCREVEN, Jr. (1774-1833) and Martha Ann Susannah SMITH of Charleston, > later > > Savannah. William Coffee DANIEL was the son of Charles DANIEL and > Elizabeth > > COFFEE of Greene County, GA. > > WCD and Martha had one child that I know of, a Benjamin Richard DANIEL > > who married a Julia Ella JONES of Sabine Parish, LA and they lived in > > Shreveport, LA. > > I find it awful interesting that WCD's wife, Martha, died on 4 Feb > 1834 > > and LAMAR on 4 Jun 1834. Also, Martha's father died on 12 Jun 1833. I > > wonder if her father was the minister and his death was followed by the > > death of his daughter (Martha Screven DANIEL) in February 1834 and then by > > LAMAR in June. > > What was the name of the person this William DANIEL interceded with in > > Senate on his behalf? That, will tell us who this William DANIEL > was...... > > > > John R. Clarke > > Thomasville, GA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jack V Butler" <JackVButler@comcast.net> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:08 PM > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Judge Lucius Quintus Cinncinatus LAMAR and Sarah > > Williamson BIRD > > > > > > > John, Judge Lucius Quintus Cinncinatus Lamar committed suicide in > 1834. > > A > > > minister had been tried and convicted for the murder of his > step-daughter, > > > and Lamar sentenced him to death. > > > > > > Somehow, his case was brought before the Georgia Senate where a William > > > Daniel of Savannah was one of the strongest proponents for the > minister's > > > innocence. (A note that was with the history that I read on this > incident > > > said that William Daniel had missed being President of the Senate by 2 > > > votes). Anyway, William Daniel lost his argument for mercy, and the > > > minister was hanged. > > > > > > In 1834, a man was on the gallows for another murder when he confessed > to > > > the murder for which the minister had been hanged. He gave sufficient > > > detail to totally exonerate the pastor - too late to help. > > > > > > A couple of days later, Judge Lamar came home, kissed his wife and > > children, > > > walked out into his garden and shot himself to death. > > > > > > I saw no genealogical connection between William Daniel and Judge Lamar, > > but > > > it was an interesting coincidental connection. > > > > > > Jack > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:39 PM > > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Judge Lucius Quintus Cinncinatus LAMAR and Sarah > > > Williamson BIRD > > > > > > > > > > Good Evening, > > > > I do not think to ask if anyone had a DANIEL related to this LAMAR > > or > > > > BIRD families? > > > > > > > > Judge Lucius Quintus Cinncinatus LAMAR (1797-1834) died in > > > > Milledgeville, Baldwin County, GA and his wife, Sarah Bird LAMAR, > moved > > to > > > > Newton County, GA where I find Professor Winfield Montgomery RIVERS > > living > > > > with her in 1850. > > > > Sarah was the d/o Thompson BIRD and Susannah WILLIAMSON of > Powalter, > > > > Hancock County, GA. The BIRDS were formerly of Cecil County, MD and > the > > > > WILLIAMSONS of Wilkes County, GA, formerly Buckingham County, VA. > > > Susannah > > > > was the d/o Col. Micajah WILLIAMSON RS-SC (1744-1796) and Sarah > GILLIAM. > > > > Sarah's sister, Nancy WILLIAMSON married Gov. John CLARKE, Esq. and > her > > > > brother, Charles WILLIAMSON. married Mary CLARKE, John's sister. John > > and > > > > Mary were the children of Gen. Eligah CLARKE and Hannah ARRINGTON of > > > Wilkes > > > > County, GA. > > > > Judge LAMAR was the son of John LAMAR III and Rebecca LAMAR of > > > > "Fairfield", Putnam County, Georgia and grandson of John LAMAR, II and > > > Mary > > > > Elizabeth BUGG of Columbia County, GA. The LAMARS were originally > from > > > > Queen Anne's Parish, Prince George's County, Maryland. > > > > The reason I ask is because Professor RIVERS married my GGM, Mary > > Jane > > > > RENEAU in 1867 after the death of my GGF, Robert W. DANIEL,, Esq. of > > > > Jefferson County, GA and I feel there is a good chance that RIVERS was > > in > > > > some what related to these LAMARS - in some way or another. > > > > Judge LAMAR was originally buried in Riverside Cemetery, Macon, Ga > > but > > > > his body was moved in 1894 to St. Peter's Cemetery, Oxford, Lafayette > > Co, > > > > MS, home of the University of MS. > > > > > > > > If you have a DANIEL family with links to this bunch, I would like > > to > > > > hear about it. > > > > > > > > Short biography on Judge Lucius Quintus Cinncinatus LAMAR: > > > > <<< > > > > He was a student at Franklin College, University of Georgia. L.Q.C. > > > studied > > > > law in the office of Joel Crawford at Milledgeville in 1816 and at the > > law > > > > school, Litchfield, Conn, 1817-1818; and was admitted to the Georgia > bar > > > in > > > > 1819 and settled in practice at Milledgeville.. He soon became > > recognized > > > as > > > > an able and outstanding attorney. In 1821, he became a law partner > with > > > Joel > > > > Crawford, his former instructor. In 1830, he was elevated to the bench > > as > > > > the youngest judge in the State of Georgia, and was soon recognized as > > one > > > > of the ablest judges of that early period. He also possessed unusual > > > > literary culture. He revised Augustine S. Clayton's "Georgia Justice," > > > > published in 1819 and was chosen by the legislature of Georgia to > > compile > > > > the laws of Georgia from 1810 to 1820, published in 1821. > > > > > > > > His tombstone says: > > > > > > > > "Sacred to the memory of Lucius Q. C. LAMAR, late Judge of the > Superior > > > > Court of the Okmulgee circuit, who during a brief service of five > years > > > > discharged the duties of that high office with probity, firmness, > > > assiduity, > > > > and unquestionable reputation. The devoted love of his family, the > > ardent > > > > attachment of personal friends, the admiration of the Bar, and the > > > universal > > > > approbation of his enlightened administration of justice, attest the > > > > goodness and eminence of one arrested by death too early in the bright > > and > > > > useful career in which he had been place by his native State. Born > July > > > 15, > > > > 1797. Died July 4, 1834." > > > > >>> > > > > John R. Clarke > > > > Thomasville, GA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you > change > > > the subject of a reply message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > > > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > > > Mail Mode: > > > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > or- > > > Digest Mode: > > > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to > change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to > contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change the subject of a reply message. > >